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PLANNING COMMITTEE
July 15, 2009
A meeting of the Planning Committee of the Council of the County of Kaua`i,
State of Hawai`i, was called to order by Councilmember Jay Furfaro, Chair, at the
Historic County Building, Room 201, Lihu`e, Kaua`i, on Wednesday, July 15, 2009,
at 9:39 a.m., after which the following members answered the call of the roll:
Honorable Tim Bynum
Honorable Jay Furfaro
Honorable Daryl W. Kaneshiro
Honorable Lani T. Kawahara
Honorable Derek S. K. Kawakami
Honorable Bill "Kaipo" Asing, Ex-Officio Member
Honorable Dickie Chang, Ex-Officio Member
Minutes of the June 10, 2009 Planning Committee Meetings
Upon motion duly made by Councilmember Kaneshiro, seconded by
Councilrnember Bynum, and unanimously carried, the Minutes of
June 10, 2009 Planning Committee Meeting was approved.
Minutes of the June 24, 2009 Planning Committee Meeting
Upon motion duly made by . Councilmember Kaneshiro, seconded by
Councilmember Bynum, and unanimously carried, the Minutes of the
June 24, 2009 Planning Committee Meeting was approved.
The Committee proceeded on its agenda items out of order as follows and as
shown in the following Committee report which is incorporated herein by reference:
Bill No. 2318 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 8,
KAUA`I COUNTY CODE 1987, RELATING TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE (Farm Worker
Housing)
[This item was deferred.] .
JAY FURFARO, Planning Committee Chair: Now I want to acknowledge a
sequence in the Planning Committee today. We will be hearing Bill 2318 first, then
we will be going to Bill 2317, and then we will be going to Bill 2291. I would like to
make a few statements as the Committee' Chairman on the intention...did we have
a phone just go off...on the process here. First and foremost I'm going to have a
member of the planning committee who was assigned to this...planning department
who was assigned this particular bill to give us an overview of the revised bill that
was sent back. Do we, in fact, have a member of the Planning? .He...I saw him
earlier. Mr. Clerk...okay. Secondly, I'm going to ask members who have assembled
amendments for the bill from last week's public testimony-we had three hours of
public testimony-I'm going to ask members to circulate their amendments. And
for the audience, I want to make...note that I'm asking to have it circulated so that
everyone will have an opportunity to grasp what particular recommended changes
came from various members of the council. The plan is then to probably take a
caption break so that we can, in fact, have those amendments looked at by the
audience. When we get back from the break, I will then allow public testimony,
which includes the amendments that were circulated. Make sure to point out that I
am not asking for these amendments to be introduced for a vote from the council.
I'm asking them to be circulated so that everybody has an opportunity to look at
some of the opportunities. I will then ask, after public testimony, to defer the bill
for the next committee meeting so we can actually vote on the testimony and the
amendments that had been submitted. Hopefully, following that the bill will go to
the full council. I hope you all can follow what I plan to do as far as an overview of
the bill starting with the planning department. And I will now suspend the rules
for the planning department to give us a brief overview on the bill changes and
recommendations that came back in 2318. ' There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
BILL "KAIPO" ASING: Mr. Chairman?
Mr. Furfaro: Yes, sir.
Mr. Asing: Can I make a short comment?
Mr. Furfaro: Yes, you may.
Mr. Asing: I just want to take this opportunity, I'm sure both
Councilmember Chang and myself, I'd like to thank both, not both, Louisa Wooton,
Scott Pomeroy, and Bill Robertson for the tour that we took yesterday of the Moloa'a
Farm area and also Louisa for the visiting the farm. I just want to thank you for
showing us the area. Dickie.
DICHIE CHANG: Thank you, Chair. I want to echo that also. It was
extremely enlightening anci thank you for introducing us to your friends and fellow
farmers out there as well as some of the workers that we had an opportunity to chat
with. Thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. Asing: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, Chairman Asing, Member Chang. On
that note, Pua, will you please read item 2318.
Wilma Akiona, Council Services Secretary: Yes, Bill No. 2318, a bill for an
ordinance to amend Chapter 8, Kaua`i County Code 1987, relating to the
comprehensive zoning ordinance - farm worker housing bill.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. The rules are suspended. Gentlemen,
would you like to give us a short overview?
IAN COSTA, Planning Director: Aloha kakahiaka, Councilmembers.
Ian Costa, Planning Director, for the record. And I have with me Ka`aina Hull who
worked very hard to analyze the original bill and provide recommendations that the
Planning Commission endorsed and approved and is before you. So any detailed
questions, I would ask Ka`aina to help answer those for you. Mr. Furfaro: You...are you going to let mister...(inaudible)
Mr. Costa: I guess pursuant to what you asked, as far as an
overview, maybe we'll just kind of briefly touch upon some of the issues that we
encountered. '
KA`AINA HULL, Planner: Good morning, Council.
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Mr. Furfaro: The floor is yours. Again; to the plarini_ng dir,ector;
I want to share with you my expectations of the Planning Chair is to give every time
we have a planning item, to give you an opportunity to express planning's concerns.
Mr. Costa: Sure, thank you.
Mr. Hull: To start off I guess I'll just...one thing that came up
on the last day of the hearing was the conclusion of the director's report. The
commission asked that special notice be given to it when it was sent up to the
council. So I'll just begin by reading that conclusion specifically. "While the
department concludes -that the draft bill should be approved subject to the
recommended amendments, the department has reservations with the bill,
specifically with the execution of said bill's enforcement. To allow landowners to
build housing over and above the maximum allowable residential density allotted
under the County Code is an advantageous provision for landowners that could very
well open the door to misuse or abuse. Thorough scrutiny of all applications and
operations will require a level of scrutiny for which the department may not have
the necessary resources or staffing. In the event that misuse, abuse or
noncompliance is discovered, bringing landowners and their respective uses into
compliance, particularly concerning housing, is historically a contentious and at
times calamitous process that demands vast amounts of time and resources...
Mr. Asing: Excuse me.
Mr. Hu1L• ...and in many cases remains...
Mr. Asing: Excuse me.
Mr. Furfaro: One moment.
Mr. Asing: You have that in...in the report?
Mr. Hull: Yeah.
Mr. Asing: What you're reading from?
Mr. Hull: Yeah.
Mr. Asing: Yeah. What...what item is that?
Mr. Hull: It's going to be page 17 of the Additional Findings
Packet submitted to the commission.
Mr. Asing: Page 17?
Mr. Hull: Correct.
Mr. Furfaro: Page 17, Additional Findings.
Mr. Hull: Correct.
Mr. Furfaro: That's where you're at. Thank you.
Mr. Asing: Thank you.
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Mr. Hull: Bring landowners and their respective uses into
compliance, particularly concerning houses, is historically contentious and at times
a calamitous process that demands vast amounts of time and resources and in many
cases remain unresolved for several years. Enforcement of land issues is not
restricted exclusively to zoning laws. It is and can be further reinforced through
penalties and through the county's real property tax structures. Furthermore,
adequate provisions to authorize the county to demolish and remove vacant or
unocc...and/or occupied dwellings that were permitted but ceased from operating as
a permitted use should accompany the proposed bill. These concerns are not to be
construed as reasons for denial, but they should be, examined and considered when
reviewing and taking action upon the proposed draft bill. As commission members
stated why they wanted it drawn out specifically was because they were cognizant,
as I'm sure you all are, of the many abuses that occur on ag lands and the potential
for abuse that's...could occur within this...within the bill. And to touch on that,
there are two...I'd say two key parts of the bill that the department focused on, the
first part being the use permit review. As originally proposed, it was somewhat of a
hybrid use permit in which if they met the standards of the bill, the use permit
standards would not be required to be met. And these permit standards have
generally to do with the safety, health and welfare of the community as well as the
neighbors: It was...it was important that that use permit review and its full
authority be returned when reviewing this app...in reviewing applications for farm
worker housing. And the second is the gross sales standard. And the gross sales
standard is...is really the lynch pin of the bill. The original standards that were
proposed: the 50% income for, I think, it was three years and the 75% of the
property being used for agricultural activities. While theoretical theoretically
sound, in reality trying to actually enforce those policies, really the department
would be unable to really, with those tools, differentiate between say a genuine
farmer and a gentleman farmer. There's so many ifs ands or buts that could occur
within what I guess you'd refer to as a floating standard really, yeah? I mean, when
you have 75% of a property depends how much of that property is going to be used
is if it has...if it's a 5-acre property, is he farming 3 acres; if it's a 13,000-acre
property or a 10,000-acre property, it's going to require that the property owner be
actively farming 7500 acres, and it...co...and..and that 7500 acres would constitute
the same amount or warrant the same amount of housing as a 5-acre property with
three acres in cultivation would warrant. So having those floating standards really
don't help us enforce and protect against abuse. And...and on top of which to go to
the 50% income...in the report it...it drew out about how that could potentially hurt
small farmers. The 50% income, say a farmer who has a spouse who is working
outside of the house, I mean, the farmer could be earning say $50,000 on the farm
which could very well warrant farm worker housing and to have an employee on
staff living on the property. However, their spouse could be earning $100,000 -
$150,000 and this would disallow that small farmer to access employee housing. So
having those floating rates or floating standards which are by design to be
inconsistently applied, really hinder the process and...and like I stated can further
allow abuses to occur. And so just to return, I mean basically the use permit which
doesn't seem to be too controversial, returning it to the use permit standards. But
as I understand it and I've been watching the proceedings, the salary amount or,
excuse me, the gross sales requirement has been somewhat controversial. But
having that dollar figure allows us to differentiate between the legitimate farmer
and the gentleman farmer and...and...that...that is a main point we'd like to drive
home.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you very much. I would like to take some
time to share some information with my colleagues and yourself as well. Those are
all excellent points about controls and quality measurements. I had requested
through our office of economic development the most current statistics we could
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have on farming on Kaua`i and I believe some may have seen this material, but I'll
circulate it again. That...and these are 2007 farm statistics on Kaua`i that make up
748 farms on the island. The fact of the matter is...and this includes ranching...it .
totals about 151,000 acres. It also includes the fact that there are large cane and
other cultivated in...institutional crops. But the median size of the farm, in other
words half of the farms are larger, half of the farms are smaller, is five acres on
Kaua`i. We also know that 65% or 64.6% of the farms on Kaua`i are nine acres or
less. The fact of the matter is they are broken down up to the larger ranching and
sugar operations, but the net cash income from these operations on the average
farm represent approximately the $10,475. These are from the KEDB as well as
confirmed by our office of economic development: May. I have a... may I have copies
of these passed out to the individual councilmembers as well as a copy for the
planning department and leave some copies here for the public. So there...there is
some statistical information here. Now, I'm going to open up some questions from
the members here, if I may? Mr. Kaneshiro. DARYL W. KANESHIRO: Thank you, Chair. You know, as I was going
over the bill and I know you touched on that when you first talked, Ka`aina, was
about the part where we talked about the subject property in order to have farm
worker housing has to use up their density first, their housing density or whatever
residential density that is allowed on the parcel. If...if...I'm taking it from a
farmer's perspective. You know, what we're trying to do is really encourage these
people to start building residential densities first rather than to continue
farming...continue farming where they're farming. But what we see here with a bill
like this is saying that we are now encouraging the farmer to get his son or to get
someone to start building all the densities first before...before because it says
here...the way it says that you need to maximum permitted residential densities
first. You have to build all of those first before you even qualify for a farm worker
housing. So, I'm not certain how this is really helping the farmers when you're
encouraging them to go ahead and build a house on the lot first when the farmer
really wants to try to farm first and make a living or have his kids make a living
first and then build. So, I'm not certain, you know, if Ian or you could answer that
as to the reason why it specifically states that after your maximum permitted
residential densities are built then you would now qualify for a farm worker
housing. It's not saying that you can use that density to qualify for farm worker
housing. You're saying that after your residential, you know...
Mr. Costa: Yeah.
Mr. Kaneshiro: ...permitted densities are used, now you can come
in and get a farm worker housing.
Mr. Costa: You know one thing I would add on that is we have
a number of cases where...on ag land where structures are applied for, a barn,
storage structures that actually are used as houses until either the main house can
be built or...and in many cases...don't...aren't converted or...there's a long process
to get them to actually use the structure as was permitted. And I think that's just
one of the concerns we have because the farm worker housing would be additional
housing density that would be allowed. And to then allow ones to capitalize on that
prior to the right they currently would have to produce a house, whatever form it is,
would just be...would just be against some...
Mr. Hull: Just...just to add to that too, I think some of the...I
understand your concerns, Councilman Kaneshiro, but...and then that could very
well happen. Could it stimulate people to build out their densities before applying
for farm worker housing? It could stimulate that, indeed. But our concern was
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mainly for...the intent of the bill seemed to go for the farmers who are in dire need of housing but don't have it. And so what our aim was with...with that particular
provision is to say if you do have it, you will. first use your farm dwelling density to
put your farm workers in. You can't land bank or density bank these things for
later use or for sale as residential multi-million dollar estates or whatnot. You're
going to use the actual densities you have to house your employees as they're
intended to do under...under HRS law. And...and that was the main principle or
foundation for that provision.
Mr. Kaneshiro: The...the...the problem about this bill is that when
you read it and you're looking at the bill itself, you know, my interpretation of this
bill is that you can't even build a farm worker housing yet until you build a
residential density first. Then now you can do farm worker housing. First...the
way the bill reads right here it says to be eligible for farm worker housing only
when all of the subject property's respective maximum permitted residential
densities are built, then you can come in for farm worker housing. So
this...this...the way it's written does not give the farmer the opportunity to do
exactly what you're saying.
Mr. Costa: No, I think you need to remember that the whole
reason the ag zoning has density is for farm dwellings; it's for farm workers.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Yeah, but...
Mr. Costa: So use that first.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Ian...
Mr. Costa: That's all we're saying.
Mr. Kaneshiro: I understand what you're saying. I got three kids,
okay. Eventually one of those densities when one of my sons or my daughters or
whoever can afford to build a home will then put a residential housing on it. At the
same time, I'm intensively farming to try to make a living to send these kids to
college to get them an education and I need worker housing. So you tell me that
now I'm going to have to design a house, put a house there, design a house for the
future density for one of my kids in order to provide a worker housing?
Mr. Costa: It can be the same house we're talking about as
temporary. It doesn't have to be... Mr. Kaneshiro: But...but you know when you come in...
Mr. Costa: ...the 5,000 square foot...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay, I understand that. But you know when you
come in for residential density, the code applies differently as comparable to a
regular farm dwelling housing now...because basically what you're saying in this
bill is that you just meet health requirements for a farm worker dwelling
housing...and you only can go 600 square feet or 1200 square feet, that's the max.
Mr. Costa: Well I mean I...I know and you...the example you
painted is...has to do with your family, but I would say it's not out of the realm...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Well.:..it's just an example. I just...
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Mr. Costa: ...for someone' to say, okay, well, I want to se11...I
want to...my big plan is to sell off five...four CPRs. So I need five extra worker
housing so that I don't give up that potential asset.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay. I have another typical example. You have a
5-acre parcel. You're doing extensive, extensive taro growing on a 5-acre parcel or a
10-acre parcel. On a 5-acre parcel currently densities you're allowed three, right,
under the comprehensive zoning ordinance?
Mr. Hull: Sure.
Mr. Kaneshiro: So you got a farmer there who has a house who's
doing extensive, extensive work trying to farm his land in taro 10 acres or whatever
it is, but in order for him to get a farm dwelling housing, he first has to build out his
residential densities on...the three houses on that 5-acre parcel and you're taking
away ag land for him to do that while we're trying to encourage farmers to stay in
farming.
Mr. Costa: Well, I...I think it's still a perception. All we're
saying is that you have, by riglit, three available to you. Why would you need to ask
for more if you're not even using the three?
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay...okay, I got it. This...I think I'm working on
an amendment that can address that. I just needed to see what was your thoughts
as to why, you know, first fulfill the densities and so forth and do that. But I may
have an amendment that can possibly address that concern. So we...so; you know,
we'll...we'tl work on it. I...I just...was trying to give you some of the reasons that
some of the farmers would face with the way this bill is written just the way it's
written.
Mr. Costa: Sure.
Mr. Kaneshiro: So I think with that and what you have said, I...my
amendment may be able to address some of that. Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, thank you, Mr. Kaneshiro. And just before I
recognize Mr. Bynum, just to again some comments that I made earlier, should we
circulate some amend...amendments, I want to make clear that these are not
amendments that are introduced and later when we have actual dialogue, it will be
at the following meeting if that amendment actually gets introduced. The rules do
not let us...allow us to testify on the amendments until they're actually introduced.
My hope is to circulate the amendments so everybody has an opportunity to digest .
them. Mr. Bynum, the floor is yours.
TIM BYNUM: Yeah, I just wanted to stick with the density
(inaudible).
Mr. Furfaro: Go right ahead.
Mr. Bynum: I wanted to stick with the density to begin with and
so I have a couple of questions. One is when there's a CPR that has different
owners and one of them is farming, has used their density, would this rule apply for
the lot where the density hadn't been used because it's one parcel, right? I didn't
ask that clearly. Say you have three CPRs on one parcel, but three different
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owners. This one is farming and they've built their farm dwelling and they're
farming and they want worker housing. Do they...would this require the other two
owners to build out their density prior to this lot? Mr. Furfaro: Excuse me, Mr. Bynum, would you yield the floor to
me just so I can get some clarity on your question?
Mr. Bynum: Sure.
Mr. Furfaro: So I think what Mr. Bynum is saying, you have a
CPR parcel that has five units. The five units have been sold. One of those units is,
in fact, actively farming but a particular individual that bought one of the CPRs has
not developed his CPR unit yet. Your question,is will all the density on the whole
parcel, the tax key parcel, have. to be developed first. And Mr. Bynum, thank you
for, in my mind, getting clarity to your narrative.
Mr. Costa: Let...let me just say that in our review that is
typical for a CPR to get approval from the real estate commission, a review and
comment. That's one of the things that we are persistent on that no more units be
created than available density. So, but...but by doing that and...and subsequently
endorsing or concurring with the proposed CPR, we are; in fact, committing that
density. It is a problem that led into that proposed amendment and is clearly one of
the abuses that we see. I mean, you have a large parcel that is CPR'd into five
units. Four of them are up for sale and one of them needs additional housing.
Mr. Bynum: Yeah. I'm...I didn't...I'm still confused.
Mr. Costa: Although I'd be...and I'm...and when we talk about
parcel and...and 50 or 75% of the parcel being used, that might be a difficult
example. Obviously if you have five units, there's going to have to be some
coordination amongst five units to be able to farm 75% of that property.
Mr. Bynum: Keep it simple for me.
Mr. Costa: Because it cannot be 75% of that unit.
Mr. Bynum: Okay, to keep it simple for me, let's say there's
three C...three units, CPR units on one lot, right. I own Lot A and somebody else
owns lot B and C. There's a total of three pieces of density on the entire parcel,
right. But I'm on Lot A, I've built my house and I'm farming, right, and I'm farming
that intensely and I want farm worker housing. I gotta wait for the other owners to
build their properties and use that density before I can get farm worker housing? Is
that what I'm hearing?
Mr. Costa: Well, to some degree by the...what I tried to say is
the creation and our endorsement of that creation of the CPR has already
committed that density to the other units.
Mr. Bynum: Right, but I'm farming this unit and I need farm
worker housing.
Mr. Costa: So obviously you would need...
Mr. Bynum: Now my fate is subject to the other owner, right?
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Mr. Costa: Well, that needs to be resolved. That's one of the
inherent problems with CPR.
Mr. Bynum: And is there a mechanism to resolve that?
Mr. Costa: I would think...that needs to be something that
needs to be addressed in the bill, whether you recognize individual units and how
you...those standards apply to individual units or the overall parcel.
Mr. Furfaro: I'm going to go back to Mr. Kaneshiro and then
Councilwoman, did you have a question, you'll be after Mr. Kaneshiro.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Basically, it's more of a clarification rather than a
question. Under the real property tax keys, each CPR has a separate unit
addressed to it. Each CPR can also be ag dedicated separately and each CPR is
easily identified as even having just one density or two densities. So, I don't see it
as a big issue in this process. I think if we reflect back and look at the tax map or
go back and get the real property tax identification number of the ,property, you will
find that it will be CPR Unit 1; CPR Unit 2, CPR Unit 3, and at the same time
through the ag dedication bill, if you're the one CPR Unit 3, be an intensive farmer
and you...even though it's all part of a lot of record of a large parcel, you can simply
go in there and apply and say that, you know, we want to take this parcel out of ag
dedication. But it is identified as separate units. So I don't...I don't really see this
as a problem. I...I see the question he's trying to ask is that yeah, now that I've
built my density on CPR Unit 1 and Unit 2 hasn't, can I really get...you know,
worker housing? And if you go back to the tax map keys, the question probably can
be easily be answered yes, yes... .
Mr. Costa: Just bear in mind...
Mr. Kaneshiro: ...because you are identified as a separate lot with
a density.
Mr. Costa: Okay, although that is done with respect to real
property, bear in mind that the CZO's provisions and standards are applied for
parcels of record.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Correct, you're correct.
Mr. Bynum: That's my concern.
Mr. Kaneshiro: You're correct. But at the same time, the CZO
parcels, you know, allows you certain densities for each unit, whether it's... .
Mr. Costa: . Oh, all the setbacks and...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Correct, all of those playing in.
Mr. Costa: ...those are all (inaudible) parcels to property lines.
Mr. Kaneshiro: So, I...I...I don't really see that as a big factor what
I say as we move trying to establish this bill to address that I think. It's just my
comments that I wanted to add to Mr. Bynum's question, so.
Mr. Furfaro: So, Kawahara the floor is yours, then, we'll go to
Mr. Asing.
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Mr. Asing: Has...has...has that been cleared? I...I don...I
don't think there's a...you gave an answer, Ian. Am...am I correct? You...you said
that it needs to be addressed in the bill and right now the bill as it stands does not
address the question that was raised by Councilmember Bynum. Am I correct?
Mr. Costa: As the bill, it...we, I believe, have not recognized
individual units. So as it stands right now, yes, that could be a problem.
Mr. Asing: Any reason why you didn't address that on a
commission level since it is a problem? I think Councilmember Bynum brings up a
...a good valid point and an additional question to that is...is are those parcels tied
to the association because I believe that those parcels that come under the CPR
would be I guess tied to an association. Am I correct?
Mr. Costa: That would be based in the CPR documents for the
overall parcel, right.
Mr. Asing: Yes, so that's another layer that needs to be
considered and have you considered that and is that...does that need to be cleared
also through the association?
Mr. Costa: I believe that it would nee...also need to be
addressed in the bylaws as CPRs are created to define typically they define what
the rights are of individual unit owners and would certainly need to be, I would
imagine, addressed. Otherwise, it'd be difficult to do if not addressed in the bylaws
because you would ultimately need the consent of the other owners unless provided
for up front.
Mr. Asing: So, is the bill designed to...to override the...the
association?
Mr. Costa: I'm not certain that it is.
Mr. Asing: Thank you.
Mr. Costa: I think you would need a legal opinion.
Mr. Furfaro: I...okay, I'm going to follow up on that and I'm
going to make it very clear. Years ago when I was on the council, we had this
challenge where associations of apartment owners on ag land could not, through
their bylaws, prevent agricultural activities.
Mr. Costa: Right.
Mr. Furfaro: Right? That...that went all the way up to the
State. That if they had a CPR unit that was zoned agricultural, they had an
entitlement to do agricultural activities. I think the question that we're dealing
with here from Mr. Bynum and continue nurturing here is first of all those
protective covenants and the bylaws within those associations are first subject to
county zoning laws. Are they not?
Mr. Costa: Yes.
Mr. Furfaro: So therefore, if we zone something ag or open that
could allow agriculture, we need to reference the legal challenge that we had a few
years ago back because we...we don't want to be inconsistent with that
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determination. And I think this was very specific about the condominiumization of
the ag parcel in 'Aliomanu. I also need to point out that it is my understanding that
although loosely interpreted by the water department, when you CPR a parcel you
are supposed to have a source for water for farming. Right? I...I believe that's a
condition?
(Inaudible.)
Mr. Furfaro: What?
Mr. Bynum: I don't know that.
Mr. Furfaro: . But like I said earlier, it's very loosely interpreted.
Mr. Bynum: Yes, yes.
Mr. Furfaro: So you know, maybe those are some of the areas
that we need to tighten up on...
Mr. Costa: I'm not certain that the water department is
involved or cleared before the real...real estate commission makes a decision.
Mr. Furfaro: I...but I do understand that agricultural land, the
intent. Because this is...you know this is a bigger part of, you know, making
farming successful on Kaua`i. In fact, we...we're talking about one component here:
workforce and being able to house them. But we have. issues for successful
agriculture here about marketing. We have issues here about successful agriculture
that deals with before we get to the important ag lands, we should be identifying
where water sources are. So, you know, there's many things that should have been,
in my opinion, I think the Chairman alluded to that, that should have been
reviewed when the bill was at the commission level. But, you know, perhaps I need
to follow up with some legal interpretations.
Mr. Asing: Yeah, Mr. Chair, can...can I follow up because...
Mr. Furfaro: Oh, go ahead, sir.
Mr. Asing: And the follow-up is that I guess you're making
reference to the Wooton case... Mr. Furfaro: I am, sir.
Mr. Asing: ...in 'Aliomanu.
Mr. Furfaro: I am.
Mr. Asing: Now, I did not follow the case to its final resting
place so to speak, but...so I do not have the information: Was that case settled?
Mr. Furfaro: I...I have a belief that the Wootons continue to
farm and have overrode the association bylaws that said in this covenant these
activities were not allowed. I believe they were successful.
Mr. Asing: Yeah, I...I'd like to have a copy of that because I
think that's...that's...that's an important...important case because what you're
talking about is an individual who has ownership of a...one unit of the CPR doing,
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you know, his trees and was told that he could not do it by the association and
therefore the challenge now. I got my trees; the association is saying no, you
cannot, cut it down. So what was the final ruling from the courts is the question
that I have. I did not follow up through...
Mr. Furfaro: And I'll pursue...I'll pursue that with the county
attorney, yeah. The...the rationale was the trees were an important
compone...component of a farming enterprise because it provided a windbreak.
So...
Mr. Asing: And at...
Mr. Furfaro: I...I'll follow up with this question.
Mr. Asing: Yeah and at the same time you have the
association that controls all of those units that their bylaws does not allow for those
trees because it blocks view plane. So there's the association on one hand and
there's the farmer on the other hand. Who has the control? So with that, thank
you.
Mr. Furfaro: And...and I only mentioned 'Aliomanu because I
think it's a case study that should be very close to the planning department as to
the outcome, but I will pursue the question with the county attorney.
Mr. Costa: And...and . CPRs have that inherent problem
because it's a marriage of multiple owners, and unless the bylaws specifically spell
out what those rights are and aren't, then they depend on each other.
Mr. Furfaro: I...I understand, but for a developer to override the
county zoning code is really the question we want to get clarified here and I will
pursue that. I made certain assumptions that it was resolved, but do protective
covenants and CPR bylaws supersede county zoning ordinances and I'm going to go
to...I'm going to go to Kawahara and then to Mr. Kawakami.
LANI T. KAWAHARA: It's going to be about density also, this question.
Mr. Furfaro: Go ahead.
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you. I just wanted to say I do appreciate
and it is warranted that we do want to protect against fake farms and mansions and
stuff like that. So the detail that we're going into is important and...and the
stances of the planning com...planning department is very important. What I'm
wondering about about this density, when you say density has to be right...the
residential density has to be reached before farm worker housing can be
established, is that a policy, a written policy or is that a practice?
Mr. Costa: By zoning, you have an inherent number of
dwellings that you are permitted to build.
Ms. Kawahara: Yes, does it ha...
Mr. Costa: This is a supplement to that.
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Ms. Kawahara: Does it tell you in what order to build and when
they need to be built? So, do you...do you know what I'm saying? . So you
have...you're saying it's committed to have five...five...five whatever, ho...density,
right?
Mr. Costa: First one first.
Ms. Kawahara: Five -density, first one first. So, I'm asking do you
have to go...are you going to have to go.tell them that you have to do it in this order
or can you...you're...is it a policy?
Mr. Costa: No.
Ms. Kawahara: So, wouldn't...isn't that what you're doing here?
Mr. Hull: The...there is right now under county code, there is
no specific provision for farm worker housing, although there's temporary worker
housing and it can be interpreted by the director or called similar in nature and
therefore applied for currently under the county code. But there's no specific
provision for farm worker housing in the code and under the bill, which the
department recommended amending and the commission adopted, that provision of
building out the farm dwelling densities was recommended before building out the
farm worker housing. Correct. It's not...it's not a policy we have right now because
right now we don't have farm worker housing.
Ms. Kawahara: Oh, okay, but...
Mr. Hull: But in the event that the bill is...or in the event
that is allowed the bill proposes as it was amended by commission that indeed the
farm dwelling densities be built out previous... '
Ms. Kawahara: The residential.
Mr. Hull: ...prior to the farm worker housing units:
Ms. Kawahara: Okay. And so to make it clear, there's not an actual
ordinance right now saying that you have to do it in that order. So, basically when
you're saying it has to be done here, we can...we can say, oh, the farm worker
housing can go first...before the house?
Mr. Costa: That you...you...you could.
Ms. Kawahara: Could, so that wording could be different and
changed? Okay.
Mr. Costa: I believe sa
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. I'm going to go to Mr. Kawakami then.
DEREK S. K. KAWAKAMI: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning, guys.
You know, my question kind of teeters on an issue that's more State related but
hopefully you guys can help me out but. Under Act 233, it provides incentives for
the voluntary designation of lands as Important Ag Lands. So if a landowner
voluntarily designates his land as Important Ag Land, there are some incentives
that come along with it. So, let me go through the incentives. One is farm
dwellings and employee housing. It allows landowners to develop farm dwellings
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and employee housing with the limit of 5% of the .total IAL or 50 acres, whichever is
less. Tvo, there's a refundable qualified agricultural eost tax credit. So if you're
designating your land as Important, you get these tax credits up to what,
$7,500,000 is what the Hawai`i Department of Agriculture has allocated until
May 2010 and that's to cover cost for your roads, pipelines, dams, agricultural
housing, okay, so also for agricultural housing. Third incentive is a loan guarantee.
Basically what it's saying is that if you designate your lands, you can qualify for
loans that will be at least 1% below the lender's prime rate. Incentive four is State
Agricultural Water Use and Development Plan. Number five, agricultural
processing facilities and permits priority meaning you designate your land as
Important Ag Land, they'll expedite your...your permits to do things like a
processing plant and so on and so forth. But I really want to get to incentive seven
and it's the land reclassification which says that if you classify your land as
Important Ag Land, you can submit a petition to the Land Use Commission to
reclassify up to 15% of your Important Ag Land area to be rezoned under urban,
rural or conservation. So just my question is, does this Act 233 fulfill what we're
trying to fulfill with this bill that's in front of us today? And like I said, this is a
State thing and I mean if...if can can, if no can, no can. ALFRED B. CASTILLO, JR., County Attorney: Excuse me.
Mr. Furfaro: Go ahead, I'll recognize the County Attorney.
Mr. Castillo: I...I...I think you're...you're catching the planning
department off guard here because actually...
Mr. Kawakami: Okay, I apologize.
Mr. Castillo: No, no, I...don't need to apologize because it's a
question that regards legal interpretation and legal analysis...
Mr. Kawakami: Okay.
Mr. Castillo: ...regarding how you reconcile what is the intent of
this bill here and how you reconcile that with the IAL. So, I mean it is a legal
question and that's one if we, at the county attorney's office, could research for you
and...and get back to you. But you know to...to ask these gentlemen a legal
question, it's hard to answer.
Mr. Kawakami: You...can I ask another question to you and do you
want me to submit it in writing or...
Mr. Castillo: No, no, it doesn't have to...it doesn't have to be in
writing.
Mr. Kawakami: Okay, these guys...I don't know if you know...
Mr. Castillo: No, no, they...they know a lot.
Mr. Kawakami: Sorry.
Mr. Castillo: But...
Mr. Kawakami: Okay.
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Mr. Furfaro: That is my intent. I will send it over and I believe
it got to the state level, so.
Mr. Bynum: And I also heard the answer, back to density, that
although I agree with Councilmember Kaneshiro's statement that...I agree with his
statement that it should apply to the unit. What I heard from you is we may need
to address that if that's our intent and apply it to the unit, not the entire thing, so.
My other question about density has to do with a...a different scenario that one that
Councilmember Kaneshiro outlined. So let's just say my unit I have two pieces of
density. I built one house. I'm intensively farming and I want to do additional...I
want to do farm worker housing. Now someday I want to use that density for my
child or my son in the.scenario and maybe build a...a home under that density that
would exceed 1200 square feet. But under farm worker housing in this bill it
assumes it'll be below that. So could I use that density now to build that
1,000 square foot farm worker housing unit and then at some future date say, you
know what, I want to use that density for my son's home and I'm now going to apply
for farm worker housing to cover the 1,000 square foot unit because I...I think your
intent was to say, you know that somebody didn't sell off these units, which as you
said and we'll get to that later, were intended to be farm dwellings. I mean that's
what it's supposed to be. So, but can you make that transfer? Can I use that
density now... -
Mr. Costa: Yes, yes.
Mr. Bynum: And then subsequently when I need that density
for...for a...a...a larger home, then apply for farm worker housing and get the...
Mr. Costa: Yes.
Mr. Bynum: ...1,000 square feet covered.
Mr. Costa: Yes, you could. And it's when you apply for that
house that is over the density, then...then we need a vehicle to permit that and the
vehicle would be the farm worker housing, and you could then...
Mr. Bynum: Which was the density I already had, right, in that
scenario?
Mr. Costa: Right.
Mr. Bynum: Okay. So I...you know, I don't know if that
addresses Councilmember Kaneshiro's concern, but it answers my question
regarding how you could do one for now and change it later if your circumstances
change.
Mr. Costa: That's correct.
Mr. Bynum: Okay, thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Mr. Bynum just a(inaudible). Sometimes when
you lean back from the mike, people can't hear you and since we're still on density,
I'll go ahead with Mr. Kaneshiro.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Yeah, I...I'm addressing that in, you know...I...I...I
don't want to discuss it right now because it's not on the floor, but I...I am proposing
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Ms. Kawahara: So I understand the difficulty...
Mr. Costa: We recognize that.
Ms. Kawahara: ...you're in and how important it is. Because they
also...they give funding to farmers and they have to decide who's a farmer and
who's not.
Mr. Costa: Right.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay. So, but .plus that my other question was you
have in your...you have. a special note under your conditions of while the
department concludes, it says here that there are adequate provisions to authorize
the county to demolish and remove vacant andlor occupied dwellings that were
permitted but ceased operating as a permitted use. Has there ever been somebody
that has taken down, demolished a house because they're not farming and it can be
shown that they're not farming and they've already built a house?
Mr. Costa: Not that I know of, but there are instances of
structures that through efforts by our legal, both county attorneys and prosecutors,
it's just not simple to go in on private property and have something removed
even...even after years and years of legal noticing and...
(Gallery: Can't hear back here.)
Mr. Furfaro: We've made a small adjustment on the mike, so
we'll see if it's better. You want to repeat your comment just for those in the back.
Mr. Costa: The county has a history of being challenged to go
in on private property and remove structures legally.
Ms. Kawahara: Mm-hm, so...so that provision kind of is there, but
it's difficult to enforce.
Mr. Costa: Yes.
Ms. Kawahara: And the...
Mr. Costa: And...and just involves multi-agency cooperation
and I think that's what we tried to stress in the enforcement, yeah.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, because my main concern about...about
going on properties and deciding which ones to use this provision with, I'm worried
that we are in an uneven manner dealing with actual farmers that have maybe
unpermitted small structures versus a big mansion that we all know are there that
aren't farming. So, my question is, is this bill going to be able to help you enforce
that better so that you can recognize real farmers versus gentleman farmers?
Mr. Costa: I'm not certain that it does at face value instantly
highlight who's a genuine farmer and who isn't. I...I...I can't. Maybe through years
of application, but I don't see that the bill in and of itself clarifies who's a real
farmer and who isn't.
Mr. Furfaro: May...may I...may I expand on something
regarding tho...that...that question because the enforcement issue is both going to
be on the county, but I want to make sure that the farming community also realizes
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that they're going to be subject to tenant rental codes and so if they have a poor
performing employee, they're also going to be subject to the fact that they're going to
have to give proper notice for eviction and termination of employment and all of
those particular things as well. And so clearly, it is, you know, an issue that the
farming community should realize that if they have a non-performing employee and
they are a tenant documented as an employee; they are going to be subject to proper
notice for eviction. I...I just wanted to share that. The floor is still yours.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay. Because this is...because this is about
farming and...and all of the benefits that we get from farming that's why I'm asking
about how you're going to be able...when you're differentiating between a real farm
and a...and a fake farm. Have you ever cited somebody with a physical home that
doesn't have ag going on...as required?
Mr. Costa: I believe we did.
Ms. Kawahara: What was that?
Mr. Costa; I believe we have in the past. Ms. Kawahara: In the past. Okay. I...I was going to ask if I could
send a communication to find out just the numbers, the difference between...
Mr. Furfaro: Yeah and I want to make sure...
Ms. Kawahara: ...between permitted...between, you know, homes
versus accessories...
Mr. Costa: Yeah.
Ms. Kawahara: ...on property of ag.
Mr. Furfaro: And again, I do want to make sure we understand
under the current CZO if somebody has a ho...home that's within the density and
they choose not to farm on ag land, that's not a violation. They have the density for
that dwelling.
Ms. Kawahara: They don't have...
Mr. Furfaro: Is that a violation?
Mr. Costa: We would have to go back to what the definition of
a farm dwelling is.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Correct.
Mr. Furfaro: He said that we would have to go back to clarify the
definition of a farm dwelling. So, we should piggyback that question with yours.
Mr. Costa: Which does imply that there's farming activity and
farming income.
Mr. Furfaro: Sure, but it could be an orchard. It could be, you
know.. .
Mr. Costa: Yes.
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Mr. Furfaro: It could be a crop that's only harvested, you know,
every three years. I mean, you know, it is a real question of definition. Do not
assume that, you know, we don't need clarity on what a farm dwelling is.
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Well, we'll piggyback that question with yours.
Ms. Kawahara: I...yeah, I'm thinking most of the...
Mr. Furfaro: So make...make a note for the staff. Mr. Bynum
Mr. Bynum: Yeah, I'd...this is a fascinating discussion and we'll
talk about it more, but my notes here say, definition of a farm, but I wanted to... In
your work here it says, enforcement of land use is not restricted exclusively to
zoning laws but can be further reinforced through penalties and through the
county's real property tax structure. I think I understand what that means. Can
you say more about that and what...how you would see that functioning and maybe
you can't, but?
(Inaudible. )
Mr. Costa: I guess in summary, if we want to promote true
farms, then through our tax structure we give incentives or tax breaks on
what...and i£..and we would need to establish thresholds for that. But if we don't
feel they're meeting that criteria, then they pay higher taxes.
Mr. Bynum: Right, so the real property tax system currently has
some kind of criteria to determine legitimate farming, right? And so what you're
suggesting is that we may be able to use their work, their history and their criteria
in this bill, but it's not currently in here. Is that correct?
Mr. Costa: Yes, I mean that...whatever bill we do approve,
that that takes into account...
Mr. Bynum: So that would require...
Mr. Costa: ...the policies o£..°
Mr. Bynum: ...some changes to this bill, correct?
Mr. Furfaro: That's right. '
Mr. Costa: It could be.
Mr. Furfaro: Do a Schedule F. To do a Schedule F...
Mr. Costa: Or could imply changes to the...
Mr. Furfaro: Mr. Director...
Mr. Costa: ...structure.
Mr. Furfaro: ...to get a Schedule F in a farm dedication, you do
need to submit a plan to the tax office.
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need to identify and at least generate annually $12,000 of gross agricultural
products for the preceding two consecutive years. That is an absolute. Then you
may have an opportunity to choose two of three other op...options to support your
use permit application. Those options are (1) to actually provide a farm plan to the
planning department that demonstrates feasibility; (2) to demonstrate agricultural
rates for the use of water by the department of water; and (3) identify 75% of the
particular lot of which the farm working housing is being proposed to be in crop
cultivation including crop rotation. So, you may show that along with a
dedicated...dedicating the land to agricultural use. Under the use permit side, this
is post-permit and is part of the enforcement question that came up, and I want to
remind people that, you know, the current enforcement is really defined in the
State...in the State with 205, although it is really loosely, with some very loose
definitions, that is how you currently get that density on ag property. And you have
to have a clearer definition which I put in my amendment for farm worker housing.
Is that amendment available at the stand here so we can begin circulating the first
one? It also allows the two unexpected inspections by the planning department a
year and it also talks in terms of single farm worker unit may not exceed 650 feet; a
family farm worker unit will not exceed 1200 feet, and it should be used exclusively
for the housing of farm workers and their immediate family. It goes on to talk
about those units needing to be located on the subject parcel that you are applying
for and they need to meet state health and OSHA requirements. It also talks, in
fact, that your plan must be recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances. These- are all
control items and the land from which the farm worker housing located shall not be
created in a separate subdivision. The planning department will also have an
agreement for an annual announced inspection. So that draft is being circulated.
The second draft that I have deals with the definitions. There are two parts
there. It...I'll bring your attention...I'm sorry the page is not...it's six pages back,
but it changes the farm worker employee definition from 19 hours to 14 hours and
that is along the parallels of HUD definition of housing, no more than 30% of one's
income can be used to qualify for regular housing. So therefore, when we add an
assumption that utilities are included, we arrive at 14 hours work of a 40-hour
week, although I know farmers do not work 40 hours.
Mr. Asing: What page is that on?
Mr. Furfaro: It's about seven pages back, Mr. Chair.
DICKIE CHANG: It's alphabetized. They go from "a" to...letter "f."
Mr. Furfaro: One, two, three, four, five, it's page six, I'm sorry,
, under "f," Farm Worker underlined.
Mr. Asing: Second paragraph from the top?
Mr. Furfaro: No, I got second paragraph from the bottom. Farm
Worker is a farm owner, employee or intern who works no less than from 19 hours
to 14 hours. Okay and then going two pages back, it's still alphabetized, under
definitions in F, second paragraph, "Farm worker housing" means housing that is
an accessory to a farm, over and above the residential density allowed in the
Agricultural District, as established in section 8-7.5 for which a Use Permit is
obtained pursuant to Section 8-7.1. I wanted to put in this brief definition of farm
worker housing. This again is for the purpose of only circulation on the proposals
and we will not take specific testimony on the drafts. Mr. Kaneshiro, do you want
to speak next on your amendments?
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Mr. Kaneshiro: Can we have my amendments passed out?
Mr. Furfaro: Circulated?
Mr. Kaneshiro: Circulated, Peter. I don't have a copy with me
either. So that would help me if you do circulate it. I guess my amendment will
address the part that we talked about residential density first and it's in subsection
(c). If you turn it to the backside of the piece of paper -that I'm floating around, you
would find it in subsection (c). So I believe that this would allow you to go ahead
and, you know, move ahead towards using this premise so whatever you build as
part of a worker housing first if need be rather than the way the bill is currently
written where, you know, you have to build a residential density first. So this
would allow you to do that. So later on we...we can have some discussions if and
when it's introduced on the floor, but I thought that this may address some of the
items that were brought up today by even Mr. Bynum in regards to CPR units.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, thank you. Then, I believe, we have an
amendment that may be circulated by...
Ms. Kawahara: Yes.
Mr. Furfaro: Lani Kawahara.
Ms. Kawahara: And Peter has them also.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay.
Ms. Kawahara: (Inaudible.) He...he's passing them out now,
thanks. _
Mr. Asing: Mr. Chairman, perhaps it would be good if we
attached some kind of number on each one so when we make reference to that
number we will be able to better facilitate the discussion.
Mr. Furfaro: So I would ask that the staff, going forward when
we meet again in two weeks, identify amendment A and B as the two amendments
that were circulated drafted by myself. Mr. Kaneshiro would be draft amendment C
and Madam Lani Kawahara would be draft amendment D.
Mr. Asing: In your amendment A and B, I think you need to
identify which one is A and which one is B because you have two.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, for the purpose of clarification, A is the piece
that deals with the use permit; B is the portion that deals with clarifying the
definition of a farm dwelling. You have the floor.
Ms. Kawahara: Oh, thank you. The amendments that I have
proposed are on one, two, page three where we're disc...discussing sales of
agricultural products. I have proposed $10,000, more in line with what some of the
statistics are that I've read and due to the testimony we've received. And there was
one more, farm worker included farm owner and contract work.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, so the difference in-between the circulated B
and your circulation is I reference as the owner and the worker, you identify it as
the owner and the contracted employee.
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Councilman Kaneshiro raised. This issue about the condominium property regime
unit and the density to...as compared to the entire project because number one, I
think if we get a show of hands in here of farmers, just about everybody is farming
on a condominium property regime unit, so it...it is an important distinction. I am
speaking in favor of what Mr. Kaneshiro mentioned, that the density requirement
only be applied to the individual condominium unit because the farmer is really
only capable of dealing with what's going on on his unit. He can't force the other
owners in the project to develop their properties. So if he has...if an individual has
developed his unit, has developed the density of his unit, irrespective of whether the
density requirements of the other units have been fulfilled, he should be able to
apply for farm worker housing, and that's what I want to speak to. I...I hope that
that will get included in this bill. Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Are there any que...questions of
Robert? Thank you very much.
Mr. Grinpas: Thank you very much.
Mr. Furfaro: We'll go to Scobt Pomeroy followed by
Bill Robertson.
SCOTT POMEROY: Hello, I'm Scott Pomeroy and I'd like to speak to
the 75% issue. I personally qualify for almost all of these things, but I...I'm
just...I'd like to just paint a little picture is like if you are a young couple and you
want to start farming and you lease 10 acres, then you automatically have to have
7.5 acres in farming to even apply for farm worker housing. Generally the first few
acres, you know, in getting it is the hardest and requires the most labor. I think if
you could think about this when we're formulating this bill I think it will be very
important. I.:.I have this...it's just off the wall suggestion that, you know, if you
required something like 15%...say you...you had an empty piece of 10 acres. If you
require 15% a year, in five years you would have 75% of the land in, you know, in
cultivation. And I think that would be more farmer friendly to encourage new
farming and that's kind of what the main issue that I'm trying to address here, so.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay.
Mr. Pomeroy: So, since it's (inaudible).
Mr. Furfaro: Well, as the Maui bill, you know the percentage of
acreage is a...it's a multiple choice choice and if you are going in with a plan for
farming, perhaps how you just described it is a description you would put in front of
the planning department.
Mr. Pomeroy: Could be included in the plan.
Mr. Furfaro: In the planning department included in your plan.
Mr. Pomeroy: Right, right.
Mr. Furfaro: Are there any questions of Scott?
Mr. Kaneshiro: I have a question. • .
Mr. Furfaro: Go right ahead, Mr. Kaneshiro.
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Mr. Kaneshiro: So, Scott, based on that, to me one of the
reasonable items to put in here as a qualification is that...the ag dedication bill,
that you have your property ag dedicated for 10 or 20 years.
Mr. Pomeroy: Right.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Because under that bill, it doesn't specifically state
that you need to do 75% to show that you are in active farming.
Mr. Pomeroy: Yeah. .
Mr. Kaneshiro: In that bill it states that you have evidence that's
showing that you are attempting to meet the requirements. So, I mean...and I ask
that question because I don't see where we have that specifically in this bill right
now that as one of the qualifications is that if your land is dedicated for 10 or
20 years, boom you meet the requirement for a use permit.
Mr. Pomeroy: That work...that works for me, but...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay, so.
Mr. Pomeroy: I just didn't want this to be an all or nothing kind
of thing...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Right.
Mr. Pomeroy: ...that even if you're 75% and...
Mr. Kaneshiro: So, so perhaps for some we could leave the 75%
that do not have the ag dedication or for others. You know, there's ways we can try
to work on it. And for others, if your land is really ag dedicated and part of it, the
75% requirement is not needed. There are other factors that...that are in there
under the rules and promulgation of this whole bill that, you know, can...can
address it.
Mr. Pomeroy: Good...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay.
Mr. Pomeroy: I just wanted to make sure that we understood...
Mr. Kaneshiro: All right.
Mr. Furfaro: And I'll say it again that portion are optional and it
could be one of your multiple choices, but...
Mr. Pomeroy: Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: ...a farm plan, as you spoke...
Mr. Kaneshiro: And it's covered in this.
Mr. Furfaro: Is covered.
Mr. Pomeroy: Okay, thank you.
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Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Bill? Followed by Louisa.
BILL ROBERTSON: Thank you. Bill Robertson. I'd just like to make a
comment regarding the minimum income requirement, I think, that is mandatory
a...ab...absolute. I...I have 10 acres of an organic farm and we've been working
that farm, myself and the prior owner, probably for six or seven years. I still have a
few more acres to develop out and I...I need my workers at this point now, but I'm
not generating $10,000 or $12,000 a month income. It still might be several more
years before I get to that point. So, I would be ineligible to build farm worker
housing the way this is being proposed. And then...
Mr. Furfaro: Excuse me, I just want to get some clarification.
Mr. Robertson: Yeah.
Mr. Furfaro: You, said $10,000 a month.
Mr. Robertson: Or $10,000 a year.
Mr. Furfaro: A year.
Mr. Robertson: So in my particular instance and I know other
people who are doing orchards, you know, it might take five, seven, eight years
before any...any type of income stream is taking place and then I just wanted to
read something that one of our members, who's not here today, just wanted to bring
out as a reminder to everyone. We must remember that this is a farm worker
housing bill, not a close the loop hole on abuse bill, meaning we have to consider
what is realistically helping real farmers provide affordable housing for their labor
force and create a bill to do just that first, then we consider ways to limit or
eliminate abuse, not the other way around. Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Hold on mo...one moment, you
have...we have a question for you.
Mr. Bynum: I wanted to make sure people understand and these
amendments...well, that when we discuss the issue of...it's gross sales per year, not
income, which are very different, right. So, I just wanted to point that out. So if it's
ten or twelve or thirty-five, I don't...I'm assumin in a lot of businesses with
$12,000 of gross sales, you're not going to have ~12,000 of income, right. Is
that...were you aware that...
Mr. Robertson: Yes, I...I am aware of that. I've been putting, since
the three and a half years that I've owned this farm, I've been putting between
$30,000 to $50,000, you know, developing it, back into it, water systems, labor,
planting more trees, and still my income is probably less than $1,000 per year for
this particular farm.
Mr. Bynum: $1,000 of gross sales.
Mr. Robertson: Of gross sales per year.
Mr. Bynum: So the issue would be how do you deal with that
start-up period.
Mr. Robertson: Yes.
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Mr. Bynum: When...which...
Mr. Robertson: Which I think is very real...
Mr. Bynum: Which may be labor intensive.
Mr. Robertson: Very labor intensive.
Mr. Bynum: I understand that, thank you.
Mr. Robertson: Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Louisa Wooton?
LOUISA WOOTON: I just want to really thank everyone of you guys for
the thoughtful consideration. I am absolutely humbled and overwhelmed at your
comments. It just means really a lot to my family which also includes two farm
workers besides my son, daughter-in-law, and my husband and myself. We're all
living on the same property virtually under the same roof now. I also want to add
that you do look at the mobile home provision there because that has been one of
our means of providing clean, comfortable housing for our workers. We all
went...some of us went to the ag summit the other day and I understand, you know,
Derek's comments about cleanliness, etc. It's not suitable for me to have farm
workers on my property living in a tent. It never has been, but sometimes we have
had to resort to that and I just, you know, I just really hope that you'll consider
these...these things that we're talking about that ag tax dedication is...should be
one criteria in this. The ag water rates, every year we have to send in a Schedule F
to the department of water to ascertain that we can get those rates and the
Schedule F within itself. Those are really, really important criteria and speaking as
to what Bill Robertson just said, we all got the handout from you, Jay. There was...
I printed off some of the complete 2007 ag census and one of the things that you
might want to take into consideration that wasn't on what you handed out, more in
line with what Bill spoke about, is the average production expenses per farm
$77,140. That's average and we know that we're averaging in little bitty farms, big
sugar plantations, etc. and then we get again to the average actual net income
which is minus $10,475. So there's a lot of things to be figured in and I did print the
2007 complete census county profile here and I can give that.
Mr. Furfaro: Yes, I would...
Ms. Wooton: If you want more statistics, I mean...
Mr. Furfaro: It would...
Ms. Wooton: I am not a lover of statistics after Monday but I
also have the 1997 county profile and statistics that shows actually the number of
farms has grown slightly, but the size of the farms has gone down quite a bit. So I
think it's all interesting. I'm not a real statistician and I've never been into it, but
when you start...I fill out that little ag census every 10 years and I go, whoa, what's
this all for and they tell me it's going to help with somebody. So in time it may be
able to help with this in seeing the figures.
Mr. Furfaro: We...we would actually like to have the staff get
copies so we can distribute it to all the members. There were some statistics that I
did not put in my piece and I think one of the ones I was concerned also with was
the average farm worker age was 59, I think.
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Ms. Wooton: Absolutely.
Mr. Bynum: So, you gotta be a little cautious about statistics.
Ms. Wooton: And I think that, you know, that's true and there's
some economic characteristics in this complete profile that I think bear looking at,
you know, the number of farms, what their gross is, and how many farms in Kaua`i
make that, etc. I...yeah.
Mr. Bynum: Okay. .
Ms. Wooton: It:..it's fascinating. I'm learning a lot.
Mr. Bynum: Thank you for your testimony.
Mr. Furfaro: . Thank you for revisiting that. As I said in the
beginning, these were needing...need numbers and so, you know, half the farms
above and half the farms below, and you know, one large multi-million dollar loss
could skew the whole number, so. Thank you very much. Are there any more
questions of Louisa? Thank you for your comments to the council about our work.
Ms. Wooton: Thank you so much.
Mr. Furfaro: Now we'll go to JoAnn Yukimura. JoAnn.
JOANN YCTKIMURA: Chair Furfaro, Members of the Council, Chair
Asing, good morning, still morning. Thank you for this opportunity to testify.
I...and thank you for all your efforts and thinking and tours so that you can really
understand farming on Kaua`i. I believe we all understand that farm worker
housing is essential for farming on...for successful farming on Kaua`i and as you
pointed out, Chair Furfaro, it's one of the components, but it's an essential
component. And I think there's a strong consensus that we need more farming and
we want to encourage farming on Kaua`i and I was just reading the other day the
latest National Geographic which talks about the end of plenty and the global food
crisis that is in the works. And basically it says that we've been consuming more
food as a earth, as a globe...global community...more food than farmers have been
producing for most of the past decade. So we're already in a deficit position and our
population is continuing to grow. So we can expect more...and...and as energy
becomes more of an issue, farm production is also being diverted off into energy. So
we can expect a food crisis in the next few years. And that's why it's so important
that we be growing our own food on Kaua`i. The reason for this bill is because the
existing zoning is not allowing what is needed on agricultural lands where farming
is occurring. It's not allowing the kind of housing we need. So the question is how
to allow genuine farmers the housing they need but not allow the abuse by the so-
called fake farms. That's the key issue here and it's a tightrope; it's not an easy one.
The problem with the $35,000 requirement is that it focuses on closing the abuse,
but it also excludes 90% of the genuine farmers if you look at the 2007
consen...census. The 2007 census most...and they have economic characteristics:
farms by value of sales, so that's gross proceeds, 600 out of the 700 farms are less
than $39,000, and...in...and so you're excluding most of the farmers on the
farm...on Kaua`i and a lot of the small farms. And that's why that provision does
not work. And people have said it worked on Maui, but in Maui it was an either/or.
It was only...you could either qualify by the $35,000 or you could qualify by having
a water pl...water rates and a farm plan. When you make it an essential, you knock
out a lot of the farms. Last, my last point is...
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Mr. Furfaro: Excuse me, JoAnn, that is the three minutes and I
will, at the discretion of the chair, give you an additional three minutes.
Ms. Yukimura: Oh, thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: ' It's your time too, go ahead.
Ms. Yukimura: Thank you, appreciate that. My last point is on the
issue of provision (i) in Bill 2318...excuse me, provision (i) under farm worker
housing, which says that a property shall be eligible for farm worker housing only
when all of the farm's respective...all of the, sorry, subject property's respective
maximum permitted residential densities as established have been permitted and
constructed. When the farmers and myself heard this at the Planning Commission
meeting, it sounded reasonable especially in terms of even if a farm has additional
density as Councilmember Kaneshiro said, if you can use that density presently for
farm worker housing and then convert it when you need to for your other uses, that
seemed reasonable. The main issue here and- I think the amendment that would be
appropriate is to say only when all of the farm's respective maximum permitted
de...residential density has been used up. Then you won't be bothered by other
condominiums not under your control. The farm may be on one or two units, condo
units, who knows or three or four, but at least it would be limiting them to the
density that's under the control of the farm and not on another condo. And so that's
one suggestion I have for solving that problem. Any other questions?
Mr. Furfaro: Let me see if there's any questions.
Ms. Yukimura: . Yes, thank you.
Mr. Kaneshiro: I liave a question.
Mr. Furfaro: Go ahead, Mr. Kaneshiro.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Good morning, JoAnn.
Ms. Yukimura: Good morning.
Mr. Kaneshiro: We're still there, right? The...I think the fact
remains that the $35,000-to me, this is how I see it-was placed in there for the
reasons of controlling the amount of units. In other words, if you up or $35,000, you
get one unit; another $35,000, maybe you got another unit. So I'm not certain, but I
need to question...I haven't had the chance to question the planning department.
But if that's the case...if that's the case, what I'm asking that if it's the method of
trying to control just how much units on per farm; would that be acceptable, but we
would drop, you know, that requirement...
Ms. Yukimura: Oh, it...
Mr. Kaneshiro: What I'm saying is drop the requirement.
Ms. Yukimura: If you make it per worker housing that'll be even
more prohib prohibitive.
Mr. Kaneshiro: No, no, no, what I'm saying is.
Ms. Yukimura: Because someone like...
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Mr. Kaneshiro: ...up to. I'm not saying you gotta have $35,000, I'm
saying up ta
Ms. Yukimura: No, but I mean someone like I hope Louisa won't
mind, but the Wootons, in order to put two housing, they'll have to gross $70,000.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Well, I mean there's gotta be some...
Ms. Yukimura: That's...that's even more onerous.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay. '
Ms. Yukimura: And if $35,000 alone per farm per year excludes
90% of the farms, this per unit worker housing is even crazier.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Then...then how do we control how many units...
Ms. Yukimura: And I...the original bill had that.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay.
Ms. Yukimura: The original bill said that the Planning
Commission would be de...would determine that and i£..
Mr. Kaneshiro: I got your answer; you said the original bill.
Ms. Yukimura: Well, well let me just say that it will be...
Mr. Furfaro: And JoAnn, I want to...I want to caution us
that...that is (inaudible) in some of the proposed amendments. Mr. Kaneshiro: That is not...right, that is not in there..
Ms. Yukimura: Okay, so that's good, but...
Mr. Furfaro: I want to caution us.
Ms. Yukimura: Let's just talk about the concept as a workable
concept. It's...it's...the applicant will say how many houses they need and can
build. I mean these are going to be capital requirements...
Mr. Kaneshiro: Special use permit (inaudible).
Ms. Yukimura: ...for the farm.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay.
Ms. Yukimura: So you're not...they're not going to ask to for a
hundred units when they don't need it or they can't afford to build.
Mr. Furfaro: They can justify the business plan for the
enterprise.
Ms. Yukimura: Right, so...so the numbers would be determined by
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to see if it was reasonable to look at...they would look at the justification and...and
look at what kind of farming happens, you know, pasture versus organic farming or
have different labor requirements.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Thank you, JoAnn, I got your answer.
Ms. Yukimura: All right, any other questions?
Mr. Furfaro: Any other questions? Thank you, JoAnn.
Ms. Yukimura: Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: And JoAnn, thank you for your original work on
this bill. Ms. Yukimura: You're welcome. That was a joint effort between
you...yourself and me. Thank you. And the farmers.
Mr. Furfaro: It got us to where we're at right now. Thank you.
Okay, John, I'm sorry I can't remember your last name. Yeah, if you can repeat it
in the microphone.
JOHN PARZIALE: John Parziale and actually it was brought to my
attention that I didn't do a very good job of introducing myself when I spoke to you
last, so just really briefly, I've been farming on the island for about 12 years. I've
managed several farms on the North Shore. I'm currently the operations manager
for Common Ground, which is the old Guava Kai plantation...area. I own my own
farm in Moloa'a and I'd like to just touch on a few things today, one of which is
the...the idea of density. It's...it's a very common word; I'm hearing it so many
times every few minutes. I would just like to submit that in terms of density like
the value of density, if you were to attribute value to...to density, so much of that
is...or actually just a fraction of that value is the i...is the ability to live in a
structure. But really the value of...of density is being able to mortgage it, being
able to spec a house and sell it or divide it, being able to build a house and rent and
obtain an income off of this density. And it's like none of those things are really
appropriate or what we're talking about for the farm worker housing. So, you know,
to really just call it an increase in density, it's not a very accurate way to look at the
situation. Just...just to offer that as a comment. -
Secondly, in terms of the...the bill and the density fulfillment provision, it
talks about meeting the density of the...of...of the farm or the parcel before farm
worker housing, I just would like to say that what Mr. Costa mentioned about there
being an avenue to which you can apply, say if there's like one home site to be able
to apply that to your farm worker housing initially and then being able to sort of
switch that, that seems like...it's a really essential thing just speaking from my own
experience. I mean to be able to build a 600-foot structure just to house yourself
when you're, you know, putting your irrigation in and your fences and these things
that are an enormous amount of labor at the outset, to try to build a, you know,
even a one-family home prior to doing that is...is...is really cost prohibitive. I mean
for a...for a start up of a small farm.
The second thing I'd like to just mention briefly is the open zoning issue is
that my farm in Moloa'a is actually my state land use is agriculture, but my farm
lies within the open zone. I was on your list of places to visit yesterday.
Unfortunately, you guys ran out of time and I. and I wasn't able to be there in the
afternoon and I really wish I could have shown you my farm and you could see for
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you know, listening to some of the testimonies that were brought forth today .will
probably compel me to start working on some other amendments too. And I think
deferring this bill will allow us the time to do so and hopefully what we could do is if
the other amendments...I'm willing to throw it on the floor and if I do have some
other amendments that come up for the next meeting because it's going to be two
weeks from now, I don't mind moving on the amendments. In other words, you
know, as we start to move the process through as we get new amendments come in,
not wait another two weeks to give the...the people, the public, the opportunity to
speak on it. But I think at this point we gotta throw amendments on the floor and
at that time any new amendments come in, also give the public the opportunity to
speak on it so we can really work and come out with a real good bill for the farmers.
Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you for that. Mr. Bynum, did you want to
share something?
Mr. Bynum: Yeah, thank you. First of all I want to show
appreciation to Chair Furfaro for the way he's managing this bill thus far and...
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, Mr. Bynum.
Mr. Bynum: ...the professional manner. In relating to process
before I get to some farm issues, I...I also concur with... You know in the past we've
allowed the public to come testify, then we discuss all the amendments and...and
the public doesn't get to address it, and so I really applaud Mr. Furfaro's efforts
to...to try to give more open kind of discussion knowing what's going on in other
councilmembers' minds. I didn't see these amendments until today either, so it
makes sense to defer. I didn't prepare any amendments because I had a sense that
there were people who would address some of the concerns I had. But in terms of
process, I think we can put an amendment on the floor and then not have the
sunshine issue because an amendment can be withdrawn if somebody says, aw, you
know what, yours is better or someth...but, you know, I really applaud the effort of
txying to structure this as a way that par...that the public participates and to a
greater extent. Thank you very much.
Regarding farm issues, I know that this discussion is complex, but I think we
all come from the same intent, which is to facilitate farming and growing food and
fuel and fiber and things that, you know, I think probably every single person on
Kaua`i wants to keep the rural character of Kaua`i and have a course that's
different. But we also know that historically there has been abuse of farm land and
this is the first of what I hope to be many bills to come forward to try to address ag
issues and agricultural zoning issues because, you know, I've said this before and I
believe it's true in this State of Hawai`i and here on Kaua`i the rules and
regulations about ag land are very convoluted, confusing, interpreted differently
depending on who you speak to or what county you reside in or what state legislator
you speak to. There is a very large lack of clarity and I hope that the county of
Kaua`i addresses that lack of clarity for our purposes because we have a vision for
the island that may be different than Maui's or O`ahu's or...and others. And so,
anywhere we enter this discussion is useful and I'm glad that we've entered it, but
we've seen today that there are areas where we have to be very cautious and very
careful. And it won't be a simple process. But, you know, last week at the
testimony, I heard people. say and I...it really struck me that we may need to risk
some potential abuse if we want to get to the appropriate use of farm land for
farming. I think we also skirted...you know, danced around some other issues
today where we know the intent of the agriculture zone is not being realized in
other planning choices that we've made historically and...and that's going to be
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really difficult. And I want to caution that we don't play that issue too much about
well, this...us versus them. We're all Kaua'i; we're all people; we, I think to a large
extent; have the same vision for where we want to be. So...and I applaud everyone
that's testified that has avoided doing that because it's easy to go into that position
as we've seen with other issues and so..: Anyway, I'm kind of rambling a little bit,
but I really appreciate that we're starting this process and...and everyone that's
here today and the input you've provided and also my colleagues here at the table.
Thank you very much.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to
say anything? Yes, go right ahead. .
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you, Chair. Furfaro. I. ..I want to
acknowledge all the people that have been able to come to the meetings and also
email their concerns about this bill. I am also very happy with the way that we're
going about discussing and figuring out ways that we can support farming and
small farmers with...with an ordinance. In it...they're...supporting farmers is
directly related to sustainability. In this day and age we're worried about food
security and it's a way of diversifying our agriculture instead of having a mono-
agriculture. So, being able to support farmers and watching this council diligently
working to do that is something I really appreciate and want to recognize. And
I...and it is going to be difficult and I...and I agree there's going to...we have...we
would probably have to have some kind of...there's going to be some kind of abuse,
but we do want to keep an eye out for the big picture and that is supporting the
proper use of the land and...and using it for farming. So, thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Others members, any comments? Go
ahead, Mr. Chang.
Mr. Chang: Yes, again, thank you everyone for coming on over
and testifying. I want to thank Chair Furfaro for putting this on the agenda and for
all the input. It was very interesting listening to all the comments and, of course,
having that tour yesterday was extremely enlightening. I think what I would like
to say at this time, going out and...and visiting with many of you folks, obviously, I
know that a lot of you folks don't have cable, maybe no access to the papers or what
have you. But I think it's very important that you let the fellow farmers out there
know that this council and along with your input is trying extremely hard. We all
know that this is not going to be foolproof. We all know that we may or may not
make mistakes. We'll do good, we'll do some bad. But I think what's important is
that if you can communicate to your community and to your fellow farmers that we
are actively working here in Lihu`e, if you will in...in the big city, that if you let
your people know out there that we're putting our best foot forward. I mean you see
how much people have planned, people have discussed. You know there are...there
are...there are changes, there are additions that we want to all add, but please let
your people know that one of the words that we hear also is abuse. And we just
want to let everybody know in order for us to all get into the same page, I think we
all gotta play by the rules and let everyone know out there that hey, we're all trying
and, you know, one or two bad apples, like everything else, can...can spoil the whole
pot. So, if you can just, you know, get out into your community and let everyone
know that there's major attempts and there's a lot of discussion for the benefit of
this...this bill that we...we all want to help and...and you can help us by letting
your community know that these are the things that's going to be coming on down,
so give everybody a heads up that we want to do our best and...and...and try to
keep everybody i...i...in a lawful way. And again thank you all very much, mahalo.
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Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, Mr. Chang. Mr. Chair, did you have
anything to add before I... .
Mr. Asing: No, I just wanted to thank everybody for, you know,
their participation and we'll go forward from here. I think the chair of the
committee has been handling this situation excellent...in an excellent manner and
we will continue to try to come up with the best bill possible.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, Mr. Chair. You know, I...I'll just make
a few comments. We will be back in committee if I get a motion to defer in two
weeks. You have an opportunity to digest, you know, some of the direction right
now and you know on that note I think we have a commitment. I think Mr. Chang
summarized it that we on the council are trying to assist. But as I said earlier and
reiterated by JoAnn Yukimura, I think we need to realize that the housing and
work force component is only part of, you know, our commitment to make
agricultural activity successful on Kaua`i. Now with that being said, then can I
have a motion to defer.
Upon motion duly made by Councilmember Kawakami, seconded by
Councilmember Kaneshiro, and unanimously carried, Bill No. 2318 was
deferred.
Bill No. 2317 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH A NEW
ARTICLE 28, CHAPTER 8, KAUA`I COUNTY CODE 1987,
RELATING TO SMALL WIND ENERGY CONVERSION
SYSTEMS
[This item was deferred.]
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you very much. We're going to be moving
into a new bill. That bill, as I pointed out earlier, I would like to go to 2317 and that
is the small wind energy conversion system. May I have the bill read please.
Ms. Akiona: Yes, Bill No. 2317, a bill for an ordinance to
establish a new Article 28, Chapter 8, Kaua`i County Code 1987, relating to Small
Wind Energy Conversion Systems.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, thank you on that. You know, there
has been a...a number of commentary come in on this bill. I have some pieces to
distribute as committee chair. I have some first blush draft of the Kaua`i County
Energy Sustainability Plan. I also have from our public meeting, the
recommendations that came in from Barbara Robeson and Carl Imparato. For the
purpose of discussion also, I have some testimony, wind charts and graphs that
have come in by Mr. John Gordon, who was with the FAA, indicating in all of this
testimony, the desire for us to be patient until we get the first draft, full draft, of the
Kaua`i Energy Plan. So, if I can ask the staff to pass out the information and while
that is being passed out, I will suspend the rules and ask if there's anyone in the
audience that would like to testify on Bill 2317, Small Wind Energy. Is there
anybody that signed up for that? No? We have no one wanting to speak on that.
Okay, may I ask the planning committee to come up...the planning department.
Gentlemen, again, as I move forward on being the Chair of the Planning
Committee, I would like to give you an opportunity to give us a general overview of
Bill 2317 that came back from planning and the floor is yours. The rules are
suspended.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
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Mr. Aiu: Thank you, Chair Furfaro. It's Imai Aiu, Deputy
Director of the Planning Department. With me ' is Ka`aina Hull, who was the
principal planner on the bill, and I will let him speak on it.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Thank you both for being here.
Mr. Hull: The Planning...the Planning Commission basically
approved in whole the department's recommendations for the amendments to the
bill. For the most part the intent was kept intact. There are a few, let's say
grammatical amendments made and a few substantial amendments, which I'll go
over those. Primarily when dealing with wind energy, the applicants for wind
energy that have been coming into the planning department for permits aren't able
to access the necessary winds to power wind facilities and that's generally because
they have the same existing building envelope for a wind turbine that they have for
a house or a structure that's permitted on the...on the respective lot. And they need
to basically get above the existing structures in order to access the needed winds.
So when the bill came down, I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think they
were allowed...it was to allow 90 feet in the agricultural, 70 feet in the residential
and so on and so forth. Many concerns were voiced in the public hearing about the
effect of wind turbines on the view plane and the potential effect of a proliferation of
wind turbines on the view plane. And in addressing those, the department
recommended and the commission adopted, was essentially a 20-foot height limit
above the existing building heights for their respective zoning districts. And that
was basically taken from the CZO or the Chapter 8 of the Kaua`i County Code as is,
in that an additional 20 feet is allowed for utility lines, so there's somewhat of an
existing building envelope that the wind turbines could be permitted under which
would also allow them to go above the wind breaks or the building structures
currently permitted. So that was a way to allow for them to access the necessary
winds without potentially fully intruding on the view plane. And then secondly, the
size...and the...the size of the lots was generally kept intact. And...and the main
concern was how many of these things would be put up in the residential zone. And
it was proposed in the original bill one per acre or...I should...I should say one wind
turbine permitted per each respective acre lot and that's pretty much accepted
across the board in our research of other wind turbine ordinances that have been
adopted in other counties throughout the nation and we pretty much kept that
intact. And in looking at the residential zoning maps, there aren't many one-acre
lots in the residential zone that would be eligible for a wind turbine under the bill.
And that is our...those are our main issues of concern and that we addressed.
There are other changes if you have questions and I would be more than willing to
answer.
Mr. Furfaro: I...I do want to revisit some of the process and
thank you, gentlemen, for doing the work that you did on this bill. But during the
public hearing, may I ask did you invite anyone from the office of county economic
development to give you an update on the overall wind, solar, hydro and alternative
energy plans that the County of Kaua`i is currently contracted to the tune of
$400,000 to do? Did anyone from the firm contracted, were they invited to give
testimony on the overall plan?
Mr. Aiu: I don't believe they were.
Mr. Furfaro: Did anyone from HIUC, were they invited to
address issues that potentially while they're going through their rate case deal with
the impact of people at peak demand utilizing their own in-house energy and how
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yet a two...two-tiered rate solution might be required for those that in low demand
areas actually use transmission from KIUC and yet at the time when they are able
to generate would not use the common infrastructure by the utility company.
Mr. Aiu: Correct me if I'm wrong, Ka`aina, but we did
discuss with KIUC and their, I forget his title, it's their renewable energy
coordinator. We did have multiple discussions with him regarding small wind
energy. However, I do not believe we invited them to the hearing, nor did we
discuss, as I recall, the two-tiered rate structure or how they plan to do it, unless
you just...
Mr. Furfaro: I guess the two-tier rate structure potential as it
goes to their rate application as well as, you know, just, you know, stabilizing when
we have peak demands. Did...did they have any testimony to that effect?
Mr. Hull: No testimony was received from HIUC. However,
just to add to Imai's comment, while no official invitation was extended, comments
were solicited from KIUC or...or a notice was sent to them informing them of the
hearing as well as the application of (inaudible) or I should say the proposed draft
bill. But no comments were submitted.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay. It...it...it seems that, you know,
many...much of what we're getting right now as well as the feeling of this general
council is, you know, many, many people support the alternative energy options
that we have, but hoped that it would be a very comprehensive overall plan of which
we've paid substantial money to...you know, to get that overview. And I believe the
planning department has been asked to participate. Do you have a representative
at that? Mr. Aiu: If we do, the invitation hasn't come to me directly.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay. I...I know... Mr. Aiu: But I'm sure as a county project, we will be.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay. I know Glenn is very, very much involved. I
did want to share with all the members here, at the same time, packets of testimony
that have come in from both Carl Imparato, who I believe is an electrical engineer;
Barbara Robeson, as it relates to covenant issues on the North Shore;
Mr. John Gordon, who is with the...was retired from the Federal Aviations
Administration and a meteorologist. I believe of the general concern is that we're
getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. In those packets also they have shown the
wind density charts for the Hawaiian Islands as well as not just the State of
Hawai`i, but also the County of Kaua`i. Wa...was anything of that nature provided
during the public testimony?
Mr. Hull: Some of it was.
Mr. Furfaro: Some of it was.
Mr. Hull: I haven't had a chance to review all of this right
now, but somewhere... And...and a fair amount of time was dedicated to discussing
the wind charts. Primarily the wind charts that are available now to the public,
unless private studies have been conducted, are done...have been done by the
federal government and they're primarily for large-scale wind. I believe they're
looking at 100 meters where those wind charts were taken and so they don't really
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apply to the bill at hand, which is specifically for small wind generating systems of
a nature that are, under the amended draft bill, looking at I think the highest
would be 70 feet. . ,
Mr. Furfaro: But they...they do apply to an overall energy
strategy for the county. You do agree with that?
Mr. Hull: Correct, they would apply specifically for. large-
scale wind farms.
Mr. Furfaro: Did...did...did you hear anything at all from KIUC
on...on their position other than they support alternative energy? I mean, did...did
they respond to anything about the impact on...on infrastructure, their upcoming
application, maybe having .to have two rate structures: one for households that use
alternative energy. They may have a higher rate when they do go onto the grid
because they're not typically always on the grid versus what a residential household
would. Was there any discussion about that.
Mr. Aiu: No, not...I did not have any discussion with KIUC
about that. We mostly...our discussions with KIUC focused on the...a lot o£..we
were using them as a reference for the technical nature of the small wind system,
the efficacy of it on residential and basically any other existing ordinance they were
aware of, so. And you would...I would be correct to say that yes, their general
nature of this is, yeah, they are supportive of small wind energy systems.
Mr. Furfaro: Yeah, again, I just want to point out this entire
council supported an energy strategy and, you know, we earmarked $400,000 for
this and I applaud Councilmember Bynum on his energy ' and effort here to get
small wind energy conservation system going. But I'm just trying to figure out how
it fits with the overall plan, especially with...when we're within 90...90 days of
getting the first complete draft. Okay, let me go around to other councilmembers
and see if they have questions. (Inaudible) any councilmember? Mr. Bynum, I have
a cramp in my calf. .
Mr. Bynum: Bummer. Hi there. First of all, let me say like I
said earlier I appreciate very much the work that the planning department did on
this bill and also the planning commission. I know you had a number of hearings
and a lot of testimony and, you know...and you've made, as you said, some
substantial changes to the first draft, the bulk of which I think are well thought out
and make sense. I want to highlight...I want to read just one paragraph from your
thing and it kind of...it's somewhat redundant to what you said, but I know...I
mean the...the issues...the issues of concern tend to be around height, visual impact
and noise, right. And.so...in the balance there is that we're all concerned about
visual impact and noise and...but there's the pragmatic and practical level at which
if the small wind energy systems are only allowed at existing building height limits,
they're not practically clearing the roofline which are obstructions to the wind. To
be practical and purposeful, they need to be able to catch the wind. The standard in
the industry is kind of like the higher the better. But it's unreasonable to go, you
know, as...to extreme heights. And so the paragraph I wanted to read says,
secondly, many of the heights allowed under the respective zoning districts may be
excessive. Individually from the wind-I'm referring to the initial. bill, right-
individually from the wind turbine industry pointed out that additional heights are
needed because under current zoning regulations a wind turbine is allowed to go no
higher than any other allowable structure unless: there's a variance permit. Yet to
operate efficiently and access vital winds requiring...required to power the turbines,
the turbines need to be erected above the existing roofline. However, as presented
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by concerned members of the public and the commission, if a height envelope is
established that is overly permissive, the view plane and the aesthetic quality of the
island would be compromised. So I...I thought that was really well put. That's the
balance. How do we come up with a reasonable height and if I heard you say that
there are other utility needs that require to be above the existing building height as
like utility lines that need to exceed the height of the building. And so you used, if I
understand you correctly, the kind of variance that's allowed for utility lines to go a
certain height limit above. Is that correct? Mr. Hull: For the most part. It's not tech technically it's not
a variance. It's just an outright permitted height limit.
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Mr. Bynum: Right; so in the residential zone or in any zoning
district at this current time, there are provisions for utilities to be a certain amount
higher and that's basically the standard you were suggesting you apply to this bill.
Mr. Hull: Correct.
Mr. Bynum: And did you have testimony from the industry
about whether those heights were sufficient for them to catch the wind and have
these work productively? Mr. Hull: We did and they agreed with the 20-foot height
limit. I also want to point out too then, while we're on the topic, there's two types of
wind devices in...proposed to be allowed under the bill and one is a tower-mounted
and one is a roof-mounted. The tower-mounted; the commission adopted amended
bill allows an additional 20 feet for the tower-mounted and the roof-mounted allows
an additional 10 feet. And individuals from the wind industry commented that
those heights were sufficient to...to access the necessary winds.
Mr. Bynum: So...so the bill and the other concern is about the
proliferation. How many...what's the number o£ ..you know, am I going to drive
through my neighborhood and see 500 windmills, right, and which would tend
to...and if I hear you correctly that what you're recommending is that no lot smaller
than an acre would be allowed a tower-mounted wind device, right.
Mr. Hull: No residential lot or neighborhood commercial lot
under an acre would be allowed tower-mounted wind or (inaudible) SWECS (small
wind energy conversion systems). No neighborhood commercial or residential lot
under an acre would be allowed a SWEC over-the-counter. There are also
provisions in which they could apply via a use permit for a lot smaller than an acre.
But for lots over an acre, excuse me, under an acre, to get a...they...they would not
be outright permitted for the neighborhood commercial and residential lots. For
industrial -and general commercial as well as agriculture, there's different
respective ratios.
Mr. Bynum: Right, so for the vast majority of residential
neighborhoods on the. island of Kaua`i, you would not have an outright permit to
build...to erect a tower-mounted SWEC or small wind energy system.
Mr. Hull: Correct. Mr. Bynum: And...in...in gen...and the use purposes of this bill
require a lot of an acre in those residential and residential commercial zones, and
then no more than one per acre. Is that correct?
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Mr. Bynum: So, it was the opinion of the commission and of the
department that that balance...struck that balance that that between concerns
about visual impact and proliferation in the neighborhoods that those were
mechanisms you felt...or and the council felt addressed that. Regarding noise,
another concern is noise and the draft doesn't really address that. So, could you
comment on that?
Mr. Hull: Primarily noise is handled under the Department
of Health and we felt that in treating it as a structure permitted in the code, it
would still be applic...I mean, they'll still have to apply for a building permit, at
which time it would be routed to the Department of Health to sign off on and they'd.
have to meet the Department of Health's required noise standards for their
respective land use.
Mr. Bynum: So anyone who did a small wind system •would
require a building permit and there are current laws related to noise standards and
there would be a. a sign off by the Department of Health that the proposed
installation met those noise standards. Is that correct?
Mr. Hull: Correct.
Mr. Furfaro: Would you yield the...the floor for a question along
those lines?
Mr. Bynum: Sure.
Mr. Furfaro: Do you know what the decibel reading is set by the
State of Hawai`i?
Mr. Aiu: Is it 55? For some reason I...
Mr. Hull: I...I had the chart and I...I was looking through my
files right now and I didn't bring it with me. But I believe it's 55 for residential, I
believe. But I'm not totally sure about that.
Mr. Furfaro: You know what that relates to? What could I
compare that to...55 decibels?
Mr. Aiu: Yeah, yeah, you know, we always ask that question
ourselves whenever we...somebody comes in and says 55, 70 because they're not
meaningful numbers we use in everyday life. However, the...the industry usualiy
comes out and says, at least for a lot of the reps we talk to, they say that they're...it
is comparable to the hum you hear from that air conditioning unit right now.
However, you know, that's not the only measure that's meaningful in noise. You
know, a lot of it is the consistency of the noise, the nature of it that, you know, is it a
constant hum like that which is easy to get used to or does it have like a percussion
kind of sound to it. So that's...it's not always so easy to quantify noise just by
decibel alone.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay. I'm quite familiar with this based on my
hotel experience with cooling towers in resort areas and you'll be surprised
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55 decibels can surprise a lot of people on the noise especially in the evenings. So,
but you don't have a comparison chart? No. Thank you. Mr. Bynum the floor is
yours again.
Mr. Asing: Can I...can I follow up on that?
Mr. Furfaro: Yes, the same question.
Mr. Asing: In...in terms of noise, I know this was a major
concern about 15 years ago and it happened to be the windmill at the old Dairy
Queen in Hanapepe. And in that particular instances...instant and case, the noise
was so bad that one of the people living in the adjacent subdivision at `Ele`ele ended
up with some kind of lawsuit and the end result is they sold the house and moved.
But it was...it was that bad. And what concerns me is the noise level, how would
you make that determination prior to actually having it on the premises?
Mr. Aiu: That is something that we left to the Department of
Health specifically because in the planning and zoning realm we do not feel
ourselves experts on what is an acceptable or unacceptable level of noise, nor should
we override what the Department of Health tells us and the standards that they've
set as to what is an acceptable level of noise. So that's why we leave it to their sign
off.
Mr. Asing: Yeah, wh...what I'm...what I'm saying is that, you
know, to allow the permit and if the individual builds it and then the noise level is
discovered after that, then the unit is already up and it's permitted, so
it's...becomes difficult to take it down so to speak.
Mr. Aiu: That...that is true and that's...it's a good point and
it's an inherent risk of almost any type of permitting you know of...can you
reasonably foresee the effects of any operation we...put there.
Mr. Asing: Okay, thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Mr. Bynum, Mr. Bynum still has the floor unless
your question is along the lines of decibels. I can come back to you next.
Mr. Bynum: I...
Mr. Hull: Just...just to add to another amendment that was
placed in the draft bill had to do with the setback and the setback...for...a common
rule...rule of thumb you can say for the setback is generally half the height of the
structure. It's not quite accurate, but a common rule of thumb for the code right
now is half the height of the structure. For wind turbines, the..:the bill was
amended so that it'd be 1.1 times the height of the structure. And that's mainly
safety concerns and was in other codes, ordinances throughout the nation. That's
the standard, as well as recommended by the EPA. But that will have some effect
as well as the noise and its effect on the adjacent properties.
Mr. Bynum: So to say that a different way, if you erected a
tower and it fell down, it could not reach the property line.
Mr. Hull: Correct. It...it...correct.
Mr. Bynum: Right, so unlike other structures that may fall
down and reach the property line, but.... so that will also impact the noise is what
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you're saying because it will have to be at least, say if it's a 40-foot total height, it'll
have to be at least 40, what is that, 44 feet from the property line. So...
Mr. Furfaro: Mis...Mr. Bynum, may...I will continue to give you
the floor, but I was just reminded about our lunch hour and the staff. And what I'd
like to do is I'd like to, at this time, just excuse the two gentlemen from planning
but plan to.be back at lunch time. To ask, because people might want to travel, is
there anyone in the audience that would like to give public testimony before we
break for lunch. Okay, gentlemen, may I ask you to yield. Carl, I'm going to give
you your six minutes and then we're going to break for lunch.
CAR,L IMPARATO: Great. Thank you. Aloha, Councilmembers. My
name is Carl Imparato. I live in Hanalei. And I spoke last week and subsequently I
and Barbara Robeson submitted draft proposed changes to the language of the bill.
I wanted to just comment on a few issues that were there. We do need to seek a
balance and...between visual impact and the need for alternative energy. I would
urge people to think about the fact, though, that one...that allowing wind turbines
to be put on the lot next door to you 10-foot over the height limit on the roof or
20-foot over the height limit on a tower is going to impact individuals. So, it's not
question of whether there's 50 of them only on the island or 5,000 of them only on
the island. Think about the 50 peop..:50 of these units that have neighbors who are
impacted by these. So, I...I think that we need to be very concerned about where
these are located and that's why in our comments we reeommended that if one
wants to build a wind turbine and stay within the existing height limits, they
wouldn't need a special hearing. If they want to exceed the height limits, then there
should be a use permit and a Class N zoning permit required. And the reason for
adding the Class IV zoning permit is because use permit hearings, excuse me, use
permits do not require public hearing outside the residential area. So, if someone
owns a house let's take on open or on ag lands say in 'Anini, they're not in a
residential area and so one could basically get a use permit for something like this
without having any public hearings. That's the reason for requiring a Class IV
zoning permit to ensure that if someone wants to build a wind turbine next door to
you and exceed the height limits, that they would have then had to go through a
public hearing where people could raise these issues. I'd also like to point out then,
with respect to the height issues, that especially on lots of greater than one acre,
typically if you're worried about the houses blocking the wind, build upwind rather
than downwind of the house.
The other issue I just wanted to raise is the issue of the noise standards. And
the DOH noise standards are not really geared to answer the question, how do I
ensure that what I build on my lot doesn't impact my neighbor next door. Ka`aina
mentioned, I believe, 55 decibels and I think that is where the DOH noise standards
are or in that area. A dishwasher in the next room is typically 50 decibels, an
ordinary conversation is about 60 decibels. So the DOH standards of 55 decibels are
somewhere in that range. Now, you can argue that that's a reasonable amount of
noise to make, but it's not reasonable 7 by 24. It's not reasonable 3 a.m. in the
morning, and so the DOH standards really are not appropriate for putting an
industrial facility on a lot next door to someone who's used to the quiet enjoyment
of...and peace of the evening and the night. So that's why in the recommended
changes, we recommended changes that would say that the party who wants to
build one has to demonstrate that they would create no perceptible noise on...at the
neighbor's lot lines. And typically, no perceptible noise...the level of imperceptible
change is 1 decibel, barely audible is 3 decibels, and clearly noticeable is 5 decibels.
So there's a really big gap between DOH standards for noise and the noise issue
here where what we're talking about is letting someone build something right next
door and basically change the peace and quiet that neighbors are used to.
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The last issue and the reason we put a suggested change in the bill regarding
safety issues is that these are not just like putting telephone poles up. Indeed, if
this is a...the proposed draft says that you have to build 110% back from the lot
line. So, indeed, if the...if the telephone pole fell over, it wouldn't land on the
neighbor's property next door. But what these are effectively are telephone poles
with rotating blades on them and when something like that has a catastrophic
event you don't expect a rotating blade just to fall straight to the ground. So, I
think that while we didn't recommend safety standards, we did say that if there are
other safety standard...safety issues that need to be considered, those should be
taken into account during the Class IV zoning permit and use permit hearings. So I
just wanted to explain those...those issues that and...and the rationale for why we
put those in our recommended changes to the bill. Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: I am going to ask that we break for lunch. Our
rules require us to break for lunch for the staff. Carl, if you're back, I understand.
If you're not back, we understand. We have circulated your testimony, but on that
note I would like to ask the planning department to be back on or around 1:35 p.m.
today so we can continue this discussion and... .
Ms. Kawahara: When will we be able to ask a question of him? If
he comes back here?
Mr. Furfaro: Of...of...of him? If he's coming back.
Ms. Kawahara: Are you going to come back so I can ask you a
question.
Mr. Furfaro: Yes.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: I...I think that was the indication, but I do want
the planning, people back and we will return approximately 1:35 p.m. We're in
recess. Thank you.
There being no objections, the Committee recessed at 12:36 p.m.
The Committee reconvened at 1:40 p.m., and proceeded as follows:
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, we're calling the Planning Committee back
from recess. We finished lunch and I want to make note that Mr. Bynum, you had
the floor before we went to lunch. We had Mr. Imparato's testimony and I don't
know if you want to direct anything at him, but I know Lani did. But I want to ask
if...if you want to extend the courtesy to give her the floor.
Mr. Bynum: Absolutely.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, fine. You are recognized, Councilwoman.
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you, Committee Chair Furfaro.
Regarding...you were talking about the blades and the setback, right?
Mr. Imparato: Right, right, correct.
Ms. Kawahara: Yeah, you...did...were you able to learn that the
planning department found it's common practice to do that 1.1?
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Mr. Imparato: - I don't know where the planning department came
up with the 1.1 and I'm not advising that it needs to be greater. I'm saying, though,
if one considers just that it's a structure, a static structure, then 1.1 times the
height will certainly keep it on the owner's property, but it's really not a static
structure. It's a structure with a rotating blade, rapidly rotating blade, something
like 5 times per second. So, I'm not sure that those kinds of standards are
necessarily applicable there. .
Ms. Kawahara: Okay. .
Mr. Imparato: In our comments, we did not try to venture a guess
as to what the appropriate setback should be and I think it would depend on the
nature of the specific type of wind turbine that was there. So I think that what the
county needs to do is basically say, we're going to look at each of these on a case by
case basis to...and we have the right as the county to impose additional standards if
we believe this type of structure...this type of wind turbine may pose more of a
danger.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay. I forgot to thank you for coming back after
lunch because you didn't have to.
Mr. Imparato: A pleasure to be here.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, is...as I go about deciding it...what we're
going to do, there's...there's information here that says that that number is
published and recommended by the American Planning Association and that it's
common practice to mandate the towers be at least equal to the total height
respective. So...
Mr. Imparato: Towers in general or wind towers?
Ms. Kawahara: I think they're talking about the wind towers.
Mr. Imparato: And again, you know, I don't necessarily say that it
should be greater than that and in our...in our proposed comments we didn't advise
increasing the setback but rather letting the county put another clause in it that
says that if necessary the county can require a greater setback for safety purposes.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay and then the noise.
Mr. Imparato: Mm-hm.
Ms. Kawahara: Is it reasonable to ask for imperceptible noise in the
neighborhood?
Mr. Imparato: I think it's reasonable to ask that when the county
is giving a new right to someone that that...in creating that new right, it doesn't
create a new burden on other folks. And it's one thing to talk about noise that
occurs sporadically, but on the other hand, these are basically industrial equipment
that can be operating 7 by 24, 3 a.m. in the morning, 4 a.m. in the morning, and so
that's a different type of noise than, you know, asking the people to be quiet at 8 in
the evening. So, let....let me say this, the vendor, Kaua`i Electric, said, I believe
before you and before the Planning Commission, that the units that they sell have a
decibel rating of 0.45, less than 1/2 decibel. So, I guess, my question...my point
would be, well if indeed they are as quiet as their claims to be, then there should be
no problem in mandating that they be that quiet. You know, the thing...and the
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concern isn't always...isn't just the industrial equipment that Kaua`i Electric might
sell, than one vendor, but I'm sure we'll have a whole bunch of home-grown devices
that people build and the question is how do we protect neighbors from that and if
there's nothing in the standard...no noise standards in the bill, then there's nothing
for the county to hang its hat on other than the DOH standard, which are really not
designed for maintaining rural quiet.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay. I just...I just...that caught my eye because
every house or place I've ever rented is not...doesn't have...it has noise at some
point and it's not...there is no imperceptible noise.
Mr.Imparato: Sure, but not with equipment that's operating
24 hour...could operate 24 hours.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay and then the other question was it's a full
acre that these are going to be on, an acre or more, right?
Mr. Imparato: Mm-hm.
Ms. Kawahara: So, like you said, it's conceivable that it's in the
middle or wherever of that acreage and from both sides they won't be able to hear it
or wherever they are.
Mr. Imparato: Right.
Ms. Kawahara: Because it's...because it's on a whole one acre.
Mr. Imparato: Right and the issue is no noise at the ba...at the
neighbor's property line, not that it generates no noise at all.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay.
Mr.Imparato: The concern, of course, beyond the one acre,
though, is that the bill would allow these to be on lots...virtually any lots that are
smaller than one acre subject to basically a use permit and again, a use permit
doesn't even require a...necessarily require any sort of public hearing. A use permit
in a residential zone requires a public hearing. A use permit in an ag zone or
open...in other areas, it does not require public hearings and there are small lots
where people live in those other zones. So, again that's why I don't think it's
sufficient protection. And again, I...I...I'm not opposed to what's the...what people
are trying to achieve here with this bill. I think it's just a question of putting in a
few more protections to make sure that what's being done doesn't harm people in
the process.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, thank you. Thank you, Chair Furfaro.
Mr. Furfaro: Any other questions?
Mr. Kaneshiro: I have one. Hi, Carl. You know, I think you also
mentioned a proposal that it shouldn't be more than 100, no 10 kW.
Mr. Imparato: Correct.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay, my question is, you know, in an ag district
where you have probably 100 kW, instead of getting 5, 10 kWs per...10 kWs,
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one...one of those units would be able to probably accommodate a bunch of homes.
So, I mean if we put a...prohibition like this in this bill, we're not really allowing
that to happen on ag lands.
Mr. Imparato: I understand what you're saying and...the...we, we
had in our comments recommended that this bill apply to units of 10 kilowatts or
less. Ten kilowatts would probably power probably 6 or 7 homes; a hundred
kilowatts would power typically 60-70 homes if it was operating fulltime. The issue
here is that this bill, though, gives rights to build these units on...units on lots of
one acre or less than an acre. So, I think that if you're going to create all these
rights, that anyone by right can put something on a lot of one acre without any
other permits, then you have to say, well, how big and...and that's where I'd say
that this bill should cover 10 kilowatts or less.
Mr. Kaneshiro: I see.
Mr. Imparato: If someone wants a larger one, that's fine, come in
and ask for a variance.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Okay, I mean...because basically the bill covers all
wind, you know, not only like what you're referring to. But the bill itself covers, if
I'm not mistaken, Mr. Bynum, any kind of wind energy up to 100.
Mr. Bynum: Up to 100.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Right, so...
Mr. Bynum: Which is kind of a generally accepted definition of
what a SWEC is.
Mr. Kaneshiro: Yeah, okay. But his...his perception is have this
bill centered more to smaller type of operation rather than a large operation.
Mr. Imparato: . Right and that's not opposed to the larger ones.
Mr. Kaneshiro: - Okay.
Mr. Imparato: Just saying this bill is tailored towards how you go
in and get something done very, very quickly and easily.
Mr. Kaneshiro: All right.
Mr. Imparato: And that's fine for the small ones.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, did you have a question, Mr. Bynum?
Mr. Bynum: Yeah, sure.
Mr. Furfaro: The floor is yours.
Mr. Bynum: Thanks for coming, Carl. And I appreciate your
input. Yeah, I...I...I am also concerned about the noise standards and because I
think as the planning department said, kind of it's the air-conditioning units that
people tend to look at. It's like, hey, my neighbor might put in central air. That
central air might make noise and it...it, you know the unit may be close to my
property line and I may hear it. What's a reasonable amount? Or my neighbor did
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put in a window air conditioning that was right off of my living room, right.
And...and so the Health Department set standards for noise. And 55 may very well
be accessible. I mean that's something that I personally want to look into. On the
other hand, imperceptible is very conservative, you know. And so, I appreciate the
input and, you know, I...I want to look at the issue as well. But there may be a
position somewhere between 55 and imperceptible that you might find acceptable or
others might find acceptable.
Mr.Imparato: And...and I have tried to...to find some and
that...even searched on the Internet and it's not my field of specialization, acoustics
and all, but I haven't really found much out there and I acknowledge that, you
know, there's...reasonable people can agree that...can disagree as to what's the
right solution there. I would just say that we need to balance the perceived benefits
of these units with the burdens that they create and I would prefer that we don't
create a whole new set of burdens for property owners or residents, excuse me, that
they have to hear some new noise, if possible.
Mr. Bynum: And I...I certainly agree that a certain level of
noise above and beyond a certain level is unacceptable, and so that's something I
want to look into more. And...and I do appreciate your input. I felt, from my own
view, that the planning department with the public input they perceived...with
what they received and had done a pretty good job of balancing that...that
pragmatic reality that, you know, some utilities are above residential heights now
and because of the pragmatic need to be and that wind fits in that. That we're not
allowing a structure to be built as a very large footprint either that if I looked at a
typical, say ag lot, I would see a home and I would see one, perhaps two windows, in
a 3- or 4-acre parcel, but it's just that one portion that's going to go above the visual
plane of the house, right. - So, you know, so I don't know how you address the
pragmatic reality that for them to be efficient and to meet the energy needs that the
individual has, they need to get above the, you know, the obstacles, right, and so.
And that's something, I guess, we'll decide on what's a reasonable balance.
Mr. Imparato: I think that's why for example, the example you
used of a 3- or 4-acre ag lot, you know when we're talking about those larger lots,
then indeed it may be appropriate to allow something to be 20, 30, 40 feet above the
height limit. You know, it's a...a...to even a larger lot, you know the visual impact,
the further away you get, you hardly notice because of the perspective. But that
I...I don't know that there's an easy way to draft a rule about that other than to say
that if you want to exceed the existing height limits, then we'll have a Class N
permit required and a use permit hearing and at that point one could make the
argument that it's so far into the lot that for to. a visitor or a resident looking at the
lot from the lot line, it looks like it's no more than a 20-foot structure. So,
I...I...that's why I think that the use permit and Class IV permit hearing is...is the
way to go.
Mr. Bynum: Can we just close with this thought, the original
draft...the...the bill went through several drafts before it got sent to planning, right.
The original draft was pretty conservative. Other, especially industry people looked
at it and said, oh no, the higher the better. The height limit should be 120 feet, the
height limit should be...right. So there was this range of opinions: no, the height
limits should be very high; no, the height limit should be low. The draft that I sent
to planning kind o£..tried to get a...a compromise and said no, you know, 120 is
ridiculous. Let's look at certain lot limits, but I'm not the planning department. I
don't live with these realities every day. They do. And so, from the bill that I sent
over there, most of the revisions they made were making it more conservative, fewer
units per acre, lower height limits and they had really good rationales because the
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planning staff did a lot of homework which I really appreciate. They went out and
looked at other bills in other communities. They looked at what kind of is the
standard norm around the county for these kind of bills, you know, and came up
with what I thought were pretty modest proposals. And, you know, and then I...I
value your testimony as well, although I see your proposal is very conservative. It's
like no height increase, no perceptible noise, and so it'll be interesting to see what, if
anything, we arrive at in terms of that whole field of balance, so... .
Mr. Furfaro: Yeah, on that note, I just want to correct in the
committee, if we have commentary from the councilmembers or narrative, but if we
have questions for Carl. This is to extend his time based on questions, so. Let's
keep the commentary towards when we call the meeting back to order. Does
anyone have any more questions of Carl? No? Thank you very much. Thank you
for your testimony, you and Barbara, and thank you for coming down.
Mr. Imparato: Thank you all very much for your attention.
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you.
Mr. Chang: Thanks for sticking around.
Mr. Furfaro: The rules are still suspended. May I ask the
planning department if they could come back up.
Mr. Aiu: Good afternoon, Chair. Again, Deputy Director
Imai Aiu and Ka`aina Hull, planner on the project.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you for coming back after lunch. I am just
going to summarize here a little bit and see if there's any more questions for you
folks, but I do believe that we will ask for a deferral on this bill based on several
things that have surfaced today. Number one, I would like to send a
communication over to the Office of Economic Developinent, including Mr. Costa
and Glenn. I'm quite concerned that the county would launch a strategic think tank
dealing with energy and an energy plan for our island and yet somehow we didn't
merge the two departments together, so. I'm going to ask that that communication
ask the Economic Development to take a look at your bill recommendation and how
it fits. You know, some people may believe this to be a, you know, a cautionary
piece; but for me, you know, the county functions as a business unit and this is a
significant piece that we're trying to understand what our net results will be and
what are the best policies. So secondly, we've had testimony today about setback
issues and decibel readings dealing with the Department of Health. We have some
offers of what might be considered , conservative alternatives or potential
amendment. The question also deals with permitting levels. Perhaps there's some
recommendations of making certain that it triggers a public hearing at permit level
IV. I have circulated a first draft of the energy bill to this point. Were you
gentlemen privy to that by chance? Did you get it in a handout that I circulated
today?
Mr. Aiu: Yes, we did.
Mr. Furfaro: Good, very good. And I'm also very concerned
about the infrastructure issues as we see people wean themselves off of the
infrastructure requirements for power on the island. You know, is HIUC looking at
a rate application that might give some consideration for that in a two-tier plan.
So, you know, based on...on those kinds of comments that have been submitted to
us in writing and I think our need to have a better understanding on how these two
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bills and our strategic plan merges together, I'm going to ask for a deferral from the
members. But before I do, let me ask the members if they have any more questions
of you. Mr. Bynum.
Mr. Bynum: I believe before we took the break I was talking
with...asking questions and then we went to public testimony, so I just wanted to
finish up with...
Mr. Furfaro: Yes, go right ahead. You...you have the floor.
That's why I asked them to come back. .
Mr. Bynum: And I just gotta get my train of thought back here.
Mr. Furfaro: Let me let you get your train of thought and see if
anybody else has something to ask.
Mr. Chang: I think I got...
Mr. Furfaro: Mr. Chang, go ahead.
Mr. Chang: I think I have my train of thought.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, good. .
Mr. Chang: I hope. You know I was wondering when we talked
a little bit about noise and having a rapidly rotating blade, do we know anything
about perhaps vibration? You know, whe...whether the...the windmill is mounted
on a house or the unit itself...do we know what vibration affects the neighboring
property?
Mr. Aiu: I would imagine that the...subassembly must
vibrate just by physical reality; however, I'm not aware of any statistics, you know,
documenting the...how much or the effects of. Mr. Chang: Yeah and I guess the last thing I wanted to
comment on is, you know, when we talk about the wind, I guess we always make
refer...reference to the trades in...in most cases, but I would imagine in the times
that we do have Kona winds, the noise can affect something that we normally
wouldn't think of coming from one way, now it's happening the other way and...and
of course rain might make that much more noise in that area. So I just thought
about that as a consideration.
Mr. Hull: Just in reference to differentiating winds and winds
changing direction, not all but some and the primary SWEC that has been
permitted and constructed on the island of Kaua`i right now is a...is...it's basically
on a swivel head so it...it's able to maneuver itself to the change of the. winds...of
the wind direction.
Mr. Chang: Thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: And on the North Shore we have Kalalau wind and
Kona winds, so. Mr. Bynum, are you ready?
Mr. Bynum: Yeah. Mr. Furfaro: The floor is yours.
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Mr. Bynum: So we talked about noise and visual impact and I
also want to...that...and you mentioned it briefly but there are tower-mounted
facilities that your proposal would allow a 20-foot height above the existing height
limit in different, so that would be different on the North Shore than it would be in
Kapa`a, for instance, right?, ' Mr. Hull: In the draft bill, I...I think what you're referring to
is the North Shore Development Plan? Okay, well, there's different type standards
for different zoning districts. So the Ag has a 54=height standard, the residential
has a 30-foot height standard. So, under the bill, the tower-mounted would
go...would be allowed to go up to 50 feet in the residential and 70 feet in the
agriculture. For the North Shore Development Plans...under the North Shore
Development Plan, all structures are limited to 25 feet in the North Shore District,
basically from approximately Moloa'a Valley on. In the draft bill, that development
plan is addressed and it essentially allows that 50 and then 20 for the agri...it
essentially allows the same heights in Kapa`a as it would in the North Shore.
Mr. Bynum: So it doesn't provide for a different height limit in
the development plan that has a lower height.
Mr. Hull: No it doesn't.
Mr. Bynum: But it could say if it's 25 now, we could amend the
bill to have that be 20 feet above the development plan limits.
Mr. Hull: Correct.
Mr. Bynum: So then...okay.
Mr. Furfaro: Excuse me, along those lines, how do you override
the development plan, the citizens' development plan?
Mr. Hull: Well, the citizens'...the development plan is...is
part of the Kaua`i County Code and specific language was crafted, was worked with
the county attorneys. I have to find the specific (inaudible) here.
Mr. Furfaro: Let me...let me ask if we can pose a question since
it's on Mr. Bynum's floor time, but it's on the same item. So what about other
utilities like radar towers and cell phone towers and microwave relays and...
Mr. Hull: Well, a lot of those...
Mr. Furfaro: And how does that go over? Is it...doesn't it trigger
a...a public hearing?
Mr. Hull: They do as communication facilities and whatnot
they do.
Mr. Furfaro: You can direct me to the section of the bill that
covers that at a later time.
Mr. Hull: Okay, okay.
Mr. Furfaro: I'll give the floor back to Mr. Bynum.
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Mr. Bynum: So but in the North Shore Development Plan,
utilities would have that 20-foot height increase? Is that correct?
Mr. Aiu: Yeah, there's...there is basically language within
the CZO that allows...that gives a broader blanket to utilities on their height and
placement.
Mr. Bynum: Then in the North Shore Development Plan, have
there been structures built there that exceed the.height limit?
Mr. Hull: There have.
Mr. Aiu: Probably.
Mr. Hull: And...and there's a...
Mr. Aiu: You know.
Mr. Hull: There is a process.
Mr. Aiu: For everyone who...
Mr. Hull: The process in place is basically you have to apply
for a use or generally it's a variance that you apply for in order to exceed the height,
but specifically outlined in the North Shore Development Plan; you can exceed the
height by getting...by ascertaining a use permit from the planning commission.
Mr. Bynum: And those for...for resort development, the North
Shore Development Plan envisioned two stories in essence arid a number of resort
developments have been allowed three stories. Is that correct?
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Mr. Hull: Correct. ,
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Mr. Bynum: So...
Mr. Furfaro: But the procedure...my point is the procedure is
you have to apply and it triggers a public hearing. ;
Mr. Hull: Right. ;
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, that's...that's...that's all my point is.
Mr. Bynum: I understand that. Okay; that's all for now. Thank
you very much.
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you. ;
Mr. Furfaro: Any other questions of the planning department
before I call `our meeting back to order. And I would also like to confirm that that
application is based on its 25 feet from the highest point of your property, right?
Mr. Hull: From the existing grade...
Mr. Furfaro: From the. existing grade.
Mr. Hull: ...from where the structure is situated.
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Mr. Furfaro: So with...I just point that out because of the terrain
and the many valleys and so forth on the North Shore, it is from the highest grade.
Am I correct?
Mr. Aiu: I don't believe it's from the highest grade on your
property. I believe it's from grade at building.
Mr. Furfaro: From building grade.
Mr. Aiu: Yeah.
Mr. Furfaro: Okay, that answers my question. Okay.
Mr. Hull: And just to...to reiterate when you were asking
about the basically the section of the code...the...the...the bill...
Mr. Furfaro: Oh, you found it? Yes, please share that with us.
Mr. Hull: Yeah, Section 8-28.1.
Mr. Furfaro: Go ahead. Is there anything you want to add to
that other than to just direct us to that section?
Mr. Hull: I can read it if you like or...
Mr. Furfaro: No, we'll...we will take it. Thank you and we
appreciate your time today. So I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting back to
order.
There being no further questions, the meeting was called back to order, and
proceeded as follows:
Mr. Furfaro: I earlier stated my position asking for a deferral,
but before I go any further on that comment because once we have a deferral there's
no discussion, may I ask if there's any further discussion. Go ahead.
Ms. Kawahara: Yeah, this is regarding the...the reason that you
gave for the deferral and I...I'm fine with the deferral, but I was just concerned
about one of them when you were talking about the infrastructure and the rate
consideration for HIUC, so actually there's two things. I just want to be sure that
our...we're not...that...that our legislation is not being driven by whether or not a
company has a rate structure yet.
Mr. Furfaro: Oh, maybe I should explain that to you, Lani.
Ms. Kawahara: Yes.
Mr. Furfaro: My concern is the seven of us who are sitting at the
table, you and Mr. Bynum have wind turbines and during certain peak demand
periods like when we come home, we all going `au`au, we going cook our dinner, the
demand rate goes up and there's no wind that day. But to.handle the consistent
transmission of power, there's another cost with the utility company of which you
may not experience during the low time of demand because you're creating your
own time and therefore, if there is a two-rate tier planned, that's my question. It's
for all of us that don't put in necessarily a solution to energy in the form of wind but
yet at the same time we still have' escalating cost association with...associated with
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distribution. But since you have less demand, your rate is lower, but you're using
the common features of distribution. So it ends up with the other rate payers
maybe paying more.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, okay, so you're talking about the impact to
all the rate payers.
Mr. Furfaro: I'm talking to all the rate payers.
Ms. Kawahara: And not...not the operations of HIUC and whether
or not they establish...okay.
Mr. Furfaro: No, no, and so, thank you for giving me that time,
but...
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, great.
Mr. Furfaro: That is a consideration and I think it was surfaced
also in Mr. Imparato's narrative as well as Mr. -John Gordon's. That...that is a
question for the utility company.
Ms. Kawahara: Thank you for the clarification. And the other
thing was the delaying for the midway point of the sustainability plan that we have
right now. I just wanted to point out that I did...I emailed Jill Sims. I guess she's
the project manager and...and asked her if she thought anything in that bill
would...would, you know, preclude us from continuing on or waiting for
the...waiting for this half...halfway mark. And she hasn't replied to me, but I
thought it was an interesting point...
Mr. Furfaro: I...I...I appreciate that and I said I will be sending
a communication, but my surprise is we're spending $400,000 on a strategic plan
that will answer five items that I just surfaced and i find it a little boggling that
there's no dialogue going on between departments.
Ms. Kawahara: Okay, thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: And that's what I'm going to be communicating.
Ms. Kawahara: Yes, okay; thank you.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you. Any other dialogue before... Yes,
Mr. Bynum.
Mr. Bynum: Yeah, I just want to say I'm glad that we're having
this discussion regarding small wind energy and because if you have been, and
many of you have, to energy forums on the is lan d, t he experts come from t he
mainland or from elsewhere and they say, hey, we are the most dependent on fossil
fuel as anywhere on the planet and we have the highest utility rates...one of the
highest utility rates in the country and so the bad news is we have very little
alternative energy happening. The good news is the experts always tell us is that
we have tremendous potential. Because of those high rates, there's often a very
quick return on investment when alternative energy is placed in the docket. But for
all of that talk, we have very few alternative energy programs coming on-line,
whether they're at utility scale or at private scale. The last few years we've all been
to dedications of solar projects at the Hyatt, solar. projects at Pioneer Seed, solar
projects at Wilcox Hospital, co-generation at the Marriott. The big players here are,
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you know, they have the investment, they have the time, they see the return on the
investment and they are jumping in and generating their own energy. And...but it's
been an obstacle for the little guy, for the guy who has a small farm or is on ag land
or maybe wants to put a-what's it called-vertical axis wind...small wind system
on the top of their home so they can have some destiny over their energy future.
The purpose of this bill was to try to address those obstacles. We know that the
first individual that put up a small wind system had to drop...jump through a lot of
hoops including demonstrating that it was part of an agricultural plan. Wind
systems and agriculture have been traditional for many years and that's great, but I
think we've entered an era where wind systems or photovoltaic or whatever
alternative energies don't need to just be tied to agriculture. They need to be about
avoiding the use of fossil fuels, about reducing our carbon footprint, and I would like
to see residential people be able to get in on the deal, not have to be and have the
capital scale of a hospital or a Hyatt, and this wind energy is the potential way to do
that because the experts also tell us that wind energy should...needs to be part of
our alternative mix in the future. I think Councilmember Furfaro brings up some
interesting issues because I'm hearing for some of those big players that there is
going to be...that HIUC is proposing a differential or a fee to be hooked up to the
system, which...because as HIUC deals with the debt service that they have as a
coop, as the big players generate their own energy, one of my concerns is who
carries the burden of that debt service and so that's an issue that we need to
address and that's important to our community. But I would like to see smaller
players empowered to contribute to alternative energy and this is one potential way
to do it. As I said earlier, I believe that the planning department and the hearings
that happened at the planning commission came up with a fairly balanced thing
that we may look at making some changes to, but there is definitely a trade-off, you
know. In the best of all worlds there's no visual impact and we put up alternative
energy and there's no visual impact. But in that world that we live in now where
we're dependent upon foreign oil, where we're beholding to Arab Emirates, where
the whole planet is coming around and saying that we need to get serious. One of
the best books I read this year was called "Hot, Flat, and Crowded," and .I'd
encourage everyone to read it, which basically says we need to be leaders in a new,
green and clean energy future. And there will be some trade-offs for that. I
personally am prepared to see wind systems on larger lots that exceed the height
limit as a part of the trade-off that we need to make in. order to do our part as
individuals and as a community and to wean ourselves off of foreign oil and make us
less dependent upon the whims...the political whims for . our future and our
sustainability. And so, I'm thrilled that this is happening. I certainly would
support a...a deferral. I would request that that be def...deferral be like most of our
deferrals for two weeks and that the people we're seeking information for we make
every effort to get that and that we continue the dialogue and if necessary defer
again. But I'm concerned about a deferral that hasn't a...that goes beyond that
because in this binder right here are several bills that have been in deferral for one
year, two years, three years and I think there is a sense of urgency about trying to
address these energy issues that is felt by a big portion of our community, so.
Thank you very much.
Mr. Furfaro: Anybody else have any comments before I close the
comments?
Mr. Asing: Yes.
Mr. Furfaro: Mr. Chair.
Mr. Asing: I think Councilmember Bynum brings up some
very valid, good points. I guess, you know, my...my concern is that, you know, the
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visual, environmental and noise problems are problems that are real problems.
Now you know the term beauty in the eyes of the beholder, I will tell you that my
feel when I go to Maui and I get to Kahului and I look to the left and I see all of
those windmills on the hillside, for me as an individual, yeah, it's not acceptable.
Now, it's acceptable, I guess, to most people and Maui County and everybody else
maybe, but to me it's not. It's a blight. While I think it's good, I think it serves a
good purpose, the trade-off for me is too much; it's too high, yeah. And so I
understand and I think there's got to be some trade-offs, but I'd like to try to keep
the trade-off as minimal as possible. The noise probiem that I mentioned earlier,
you weren't here at that particular time, it was horrors. It was horrors to the point
where the individual actually sold his house and left. It got that bad and it was this
wooo-wooo-wooo sound, you know from the wind and the windmill going. And it
was like, as mentioned by...by Carl, it's 24/7. So, you know the individual had just
sleepless nights and couldn't take it anymore. So, you know, I just have some
concerns and that was a long time ago, technology has changed and maybe it's
better and it's acceptable, and I can understand that. But I...I just want to be sure
and then the second part to my concern is, you know, we have an energy
sustainability plan that, you know, we paid $400,000 for that...that's coming out
and I believe that we should tie that together. So, that's, you know, my feel and no
doubt Councilmember Bynum brings up some good issues, good points. But those
are my concerns and I believe my...my concerns are valid and real also. So, I just
have those concerns and thank you very much.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Kawakami.
Mr. Kawakami: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think this bill is a good
step in the right direction. Do I think it's going to substantially reduce our
dependency on fossil fuel? No, I think it's part of the puzzle. Do I think it's going to
benefit the people that we say it's going to benefit, the little guy? I question bhat.
The only reason why I question it is because you're only allowed one if you're in a
residential area on a lot that's what, an acre or larger in size, so, I mean, how many
guys do we know that have lots that are more than an acre? I think it'll help the
commercial guys. When you think about who's in the commercial district, it's
businesses, so yeah. There it's 20,000 square feet, so I think it'll help the
commercial. Do I think it's the appropriate first step? No, I think conservation is
the first step. You want to reduce your dependency on fossil fuel, use less energy,
you become efficient. Do I think that this is an important piece of the puzzle? I...I
could say that it's a step in the right direction, but I...I don't see it substantially
reducing our dependency on fossil fuel. I see it helping out people that have big lots
in residential areas. I see it helping out businesses and...and of course, providing
some aid to the farmers that need to depend on this. So, I look forward to working
on it again and I can support the deferral. There's a lot -more questions I have, then
it will give me some time to get some answers, so thank. you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Furfaro: Thank you, Mr. Kawakami. Anyone else before I
close? Okay, I...I do want to make a...a statement here that, you know, I strongly
support alternative energy sources. In fact I was the general manager of the
Sheraton Coconut Beach when we put in the first co-generation plant on a shared
revenue plan. I'm also a recipient of the Green Star Award for reduction and
conservation. I do want to say the point that I am concerned with here, whether we
call it as I refer to it as a two-tiered rate structure, a differential rate, what we need
to be aware of and why I co-introduced the $400,000 that supports the Energy
Strategic Plan is we have a utility company that's using...losing base customers.
All the items that Mr. Bynum talked about, they're all great. They reduce our fossil
fuel. But from a business standpoint, we need a strategic plan because as you
reduce your base, you still have fixed operating cost, repair and maintenance items
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and items that also reflect investments in future generation...future generations
not of people but generation of power. Those assessments are...actually become
part of the rate base. If you have a group that wants to demand energy only at peak
times or the deflation of certain natural resources, but they still participate in the
need to get transmission to their place, they should be charged in a tiered
structured rate or charged for that differential based on the fact that when they
need power, they're going to come on-line. So, I want to...I want to make sure that
we understand the reason behind the energy conservation and strategic plan that
we funded and (inaudible). And all departments in the county need to be behind it
because ultimately that plan is going to tell us what kind or ordinances we need to
talk about in putting in place. And yes I do believe a wind ordinance will be one of
those many ordinances. But, you know, from a business standpoint I'm only
bringing this to your attention because, you know, we paid X amount of dollars for
the utility company, the people of Kaua`i. As you lose customer base, it doesn't
change the cost of reinvestment, repair and maintenance, and those go through an
application process. So, as the hospital comes off-line, off certain hotels, co-
generation in 1977 did not solve all the problems. That was a total disaster in 1977,
but I have to tell you we have to be thinking in those terms that the ongoing
operation and additional generation or subsidized generation from solar, wind,
ocean, hydro, you know, are all going to be in that plan and it wasn't more evident
than the comments made from the Cost Control Commission in the Garden Island
about controlling our own energy, which is Mr. Kawakami's point about
conservation. But the whole idea is to have a total plan as we know in a key result
area. We are losing customer base because of the need to find alternatives to our
fossil fuel generation which represents 94% of our power source today. And...and
that's what I'm...I'm concerned with as it relates to where we're going with the
tiered or the differential rates and what will the plan tell us about what we might
lose as a customer base for HIUC. So, on that note, can I have a motion about
deferral?
Upon motion duly made by Councilmember Bynum, seconded by
Councilmember Kawahara, and unanimously carried, Bill No. 2317 was
deferred.
CR-PL 2009-06: on Bill No. 2291 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
SECTION 8-24.1, KAUA`I COUNTY CODE
1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE
[Approved.]
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 2:26 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Wilma Akiona
Secretary
APPROVED at the Committee Meeting held on August 12, 2009:
JAY
Chair, Pl 'ng Committee
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worker housing must be removed Said agreement shall be recorded in the Bureau
of Convevances or the Land Court as the case may be. Nothing in the agreement
shall prevent the Planning Department from making as manv inspections as mav
be necessarv for the enforcement of other planning laws;
(5) Be located on the subiect uarcel where the farming is occurring; I
(6) Meet all health safetv and Occupational Safetv and Health
Administration (O.S.H.A.) requirements; and I
(c) A lot shall be eligible for farm worker housing onlv when all of the lot's I
respective maximum permitted residential densities as established in Section 8-7.5,
have been permitted and constructed. ,(d) Prior to the issuance of the building permit the applicant shall
demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Planning Director that the applicant has
recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances or the Land Court as the case mav be, the
requirements and conditions set forth in Sections 8-7 9(a) and (b) respectivelv,
explicitlv stating that the use permit does not run with the land but is personal to
the specific aUplicant and that anv subsequent owner must secure a separate use
permit for farm worker housing.
(e) The land upon which the farm worker housing is located shall not be
subdivided to create separate lots for the farm worker housing and the farm. If a
use permit for farm worker housing on the lot is approved the lot shall not
thereafter be submitted to a condominium propertv regime unless the use permit is
rescinded and the farm worker housing is removed.
(f) The owner of farm worker housing shall annuallvi certify to the
Director of Planning that the Farm Worker Housing meets reauirements and
conditions set forth in Sections 8-7 9(a) and (b) above and shall give written consent
to the Planning Department for an annual announced inspection bv the
department.
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material is underscored.) I
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FLOOR AMENDMENT
Bill No. 2318, Draft 1, Relating to Farm Worker Housing
INTRODUCED BY: Jay Furfaro
Amend Bill No. 2318, to amend Sec. 8-1.5 to read as follows:
Sec. 8-1.5 Definitions.
When used in this Chapter the following words or phrases shall have
the meaning given in this Section unless it shall be apparent from the context
that a different meaning is intended:
"Accessory Building" or "Structure" means a building or structure
which is subordinate to, and the use of which is incidental to that of the main
building, structure or use on the same lot or parcel.
"Accessory Use" means a use customarily incidental, appropriate and
subordinate to the main use of the parcel or building.
"Adult Family Boarding Home" means any family home providing for a
fee, twenty-four (24) hour living accommodations to no more than five (5)
adults unrelated to the family, who are in need of minimal 'protective'
oversight care in their daily living activities. These facilities are licensed by
the Department of Health, State of Hawaii under the provisions of sections
17-883-74 to 17-883-91.
"Adult Family Group Living Home" means any family home providing
. twenty-four (24) hour living accommodations for a fee to five (5) to eight (8)
elderly, handicapped, developmentally disabled or totally disabled adults,
unrelated to the family, who are in need of long-term minimal assistance and
supervision in the adult's daily living activities, health care, and behavior
management. These facilities are licensed by the Department of Health,
State of Hawaii, under the provisions of sections 17-883-74 to 17-883-91.
"Agriculture" means the breeding, planting, nourishing, caring for,
gathering and processing of any animal or plant organism for the purpose of
nourishing people or any other plant or animal organism; or for the purpose
of providing the raw material for non-food products. For the purposes of this
Chapter, Agriculture shall include the growing of flowers and other
ornamental crops and the commercial breeding and caring for animals as
pets.
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"Alley" means a public or permanent private way less than fifteen (15)
feet wide for the use of pedestrians or vehicles which has been permanently
reserved and which affords, or is designed or intended to afford the secondary
means of access to abutting property.
"Animal Hospital" means an establishment for the care and treatment
of small animals, including household pets.
"Apartment" See Dwelling, Multiple Family.
"Apartment-Hotel" means a building or portion thereof used as a hotel
as defined in this Section and containing the combination of individual guest
rooms or suite of rooms with apartments or dwelling units.
"Applicant" means any person having a controlling interest (75% or
more of the equitable and legal title) of a lot; any person leasing the land of
another under a recorded lease having a stated term of not less than five (5)
years; or any person who has full authorization of another having the
controlling interest or recorded lease for a stated term of not less than five (5)
years.
"Aquaculture" means the growing and harvesting of plant or animal
organisms in a natural or artif'icial aquatic situation which requires a body of
water such as a pond, river, lake, estuary or ocean.
"Base Flood" means the flood, from whatever source, having a one
percent (1.0%) chance of being equalled or exceeded in any given year,
otherwise commonly referred to as the 100-year flood. ,
"Base Flood Elevation" means the water surface elevation of the base
flood.
"Building" means a roofed structure, built for the support, shelter or
enclosure of persons, animals, chattels or property of any kind. The word
"building" includes the word "structure".
"Cemetery" means land used or intended to be used for the burial of
the dead and dedicated for cemetery purposes, including columbariums,
mausoleums, mortuaries and crematoriums, provided the crematorium has
the approval of the Department of Health, Planning Commission and Council
when operated in conjunction with and within the boundary of the cemetery.
"Center Line" See "Street Center Line".
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"Church" means a building designed for or -used principally for
religious worship or religious services.
"Coastal High Hazard Area" means the area subject to high velocity
waters, including but not limited to coastal and tidal inundation or tsunami.
The area is designated on a FIRM as Zone VE.
"Commercial Use" means the purchase, sale or other transaction
involving the handling or disposition (other than that included in the term
"industry" as defined in this Section) of any article, substance or commodity
for profit or a livelihood, including in addition, public garages, office
buildings, offices of doctors and other professionals, public stables,
recreational and amusement enterprises conducted for profit, shops for the
sale of personal services, places where commodities or services are sold or are
offered for sale, either by direct handling of inerchandise or by agreements to
furnish them but not including dumps and junk yards.
"Compatible Use" means a use that, because of its manner of operation
and characteristics, is or would be in harmony with uses on abutting
properties in the same zoning district. In judging compatibility the following
shall be considered: intensity of occupancy as measured by dwelling units
per acre, pedestrian or vehicular traffic generated, volume of goods handled,
and other factors such as, but not limited to: vibration noise level, smoke,
odor or dust produced or light or radiation emitted.
"Conforming" means in compliance with the regulations of the
pertinent district.
"Construction, Commencement of' means the actual placing of
construction materials in their permanent position, fastened in a permanent
manner.
"Contiguous Lots or Parcels in Common Ownership" means more than
one (1) adjoining lot or parcel each of which is owned in full or part by the
same person, or his representative.
"County Engineer" means the County Engineer of the Department of
Public Works of the County of Kauai. .
"Cultivation" means the disturbance by mechanical means of the
surface soil to a depth less than two (2) feet where the original grade and
shape of the land is not substantially altered, for the purpose of planting and
growing plants.
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"Day Care Center" means any facility which complies with the State of
Hawaii licensing requirements where seven or more children under the age of
18 are cared for without overnight accommodations at any location other
than their normal place of residence. This term includes child care services
and other similar uses and facilities consistent with this definition, and not
covered by the "Family Child Care Home" definition.
"Day Use Areas" means land, premises and facilities, designed to be
used by members of the public, for a fee or otherwise, for outdoor recreation
purposes on a daily basis. Day use areas include uses and facilities such as
parks, playgrounds, picnic sites, tennis courts, beaches, marinas, athletic
fields, and golf courses.
"Density" means the number of dwelling units allowed on a particular
unit of land area.
"Developed Campgrounds" means land or premises designed to be
used, let or rented for temporary occupancy by campers traveling by
automobile or otherwise and which contain such facilities as tent sites,
bathrooms or other sanitary facilities, piped water installations, and parking
areas, but not including mobile home parks. Developed campgrounds may
include facilities for the temporary placement of camp trailers and camping
vehicles which are utilized for non-permanent residential uses at no more
than six (6) vehicles per acre.
"Distance, Measurement of' means unless otherwise specif~ied, all
distances other than height shall be measured in a horizontal plane. Height
shall be measured vertically.
"Diversified Agriculture" means the growing and harvesting of plant
crops for human consumption which does not involve a long-range
commitment to one (1) crop. Diversif~ied Agriculture includes truck gardening
and the production of fresh vegetables, and minor fruit or root crops such as
guava or taro.
"Division of Land" means the division of any lot or parcel or portion
thereof into two (2) or more lots, plots, sites or parcels for the purpose,
whether immediate or future, of sale, transfer, lease, or building
development. It includes subdivisions and resubdivision and other divisions
of land and may relate to the process of dividing land or to the land or
territory divided.
"Dry Cleaning" means the process of removing dirt, grease, paints and
other stains from wearing apparel, textile fabrics, rugs and other material by
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the use of nonaqueous liquid solvents, flammable or nonflammable, and it
may include the process of dyeing clothes or other fabrics or textiles in a
solution of dye colors and nonaqueous liquid solvents.
"Dump" means a place used for the discarding, disposal, abandonment,
or dumping of waste materials.
"Dwelling" means a building or portion thereof designed or used
exclusively for residential occupancy and having all necessary facilities for
permanent residency such as living, sleeping, cooking, eating and sanitation.
"Dwelling, Multiple Family" means a building or portion thereof
consisting of two (2) or more dwelling units and designed for occupancy by
two (2) or more families living independently of each other, where any one (1)
of the constructed units is structurally dependent on any other unit.
"Dwelling, Single Family Attached" means a building consisting of two
(2) or more dwelling units designed for occupancy by two (2) or more families
living independently of each other where each unit is structurally
independent although superficially attached or close enough to appear
attached.
"Dwelling, Single Family Detached" means a building consisting of
only one (1) dwelling unit designed for or occupied exclusively by one (1)
family.
"Dwelling Unit" means any building or any portion thereof which is
designed or intended for occupancy by one (1) family or persons living
together or by a person living alone and providing complete living facilities,
within the unit for sleeping, recreation, eating and sanitary facilities,
including installed equipment for only one (1) kitchen.
Any building or portion thereof that contains more than one (1) kitchen
shall constitute as many dwelling units as there are kitchens.
"Easement" means an acquired privilege or right of use or enjoyment
which an individual, firm, corporation, person, unit of government, or group
of individuals has in the land of another.
"Existing grade" means the existing grade or elevation of the ground
surface which exists or existed prior to manmade alterations such as grading,
grubbing, filling or excavating.
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"Factory Built Housing" means any structure or portion thereof which
is: designed for use as a building or dwelling; prefabricated or assembled at a
place other than the building site; and capable of complying with the
standards and requirements contained in Section 12-4.4 of Chapter 12,
Building Code. .
"Family" means an individual or group of two (2) or more persons
related by blood, adoption or marriage living together in a single
housekeeping unit as a dwelling unit. For purposes of this Chapter, family
shall also include a group of not more than five (5) individuals unrelated by
blood, adoption or marriage.
"Family Care Home" means any care home occupied by not more than
five (5) care home residents. These facilities are licensed by the Department
of Health, State of Hawaii, under the provisions of sections 17-883-74 to
17-883-91.
"Family Child Care Home" means providing child care services and
other similar uses consistent with this definition where six or fewer children
under the age of 18 are cared for in a private dwelling unit without overnight
accommodations at any location other than the children's normal place of
residence and which complies with State of Hawaii licensing requirements.
"Farm" means an operation or enterprise in operation for at least one
year, the core function of which is the commercial cultivation of crops,
including but not limited to crops for bioenergy, flowers, vegetables, foliage,
fruits, forage, and timber or the raising of livestock, including but not limited
to poultry, bees, fish, or other animal or aquatic life that are propagated for
commercial purposes as evidenced by the annual filing of a Schedule F form
with federal income tax filings by the owner or lessee.
"Farm worker" is a farm owner, employee or intern who works no less
than [nineteen (19)] fourteen 14) hours per week in farm-related operations
on a farm.
, ["Farm worker housing" means housing over and above the
residential density allowed in the Agriculture District, as established in
Section 8-7.5, which meets the following criteria:
a) Is accessory to a farm that has generated at least $35,000 of
gross sales of agricultural product(s) per year, for the preceding (2) two
consecutive years, for each farm worker housing unit on the lot, as
shown by State general excise tax forms and Federal Schedule F forms.
b) The owner or lessee of the respective lot on 'which the farm
worker housing is being proposed shall provide a farm plan to the
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Planning Department that demonstrates the feasibility of the respective
farm's commercial agricultural production.
c) Is used exclusively for the housing of farm workers and
their immediate family.
d) For a family - the living space does not exceed 1200 square
feetin area
e) For a single person - the unit does not exceed 650 square
feetin area
f) If the farm ceases operation or fails to meet the definition of
a farm, the owner shall remove all farm worker housing from the subject
parcel within four (4) months of the triggering event (the cessation of a
farm or failure to meet the definition). If the farm worker housing is
attached to a primary dwelling unit that is part of the density allowed
on the subject property, only the additional kitchen shall be removed,
and not the additional structure itself. At the time the owner is allowed
another kitchen to create a farm worker housing un.it, the owner shall
sign a unilateral agreement giving the Planning Department the right to
make two (2) unannounced inspections per year by the Planning
Department for the purpose of ascertaining compliance in the case
where the farm worker housing must be removed. Said agreement shall
be recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances or the Land Court, as the case
may be. Nothing in the agreement shall prevent the Planning
Department from making as many properly executed announced
inspections as may be necessary for the enforcement of other planning
laws.
g) Said housing shall be located on the subject parcel where
the farming is occurring and the owner shall not, subsequent to
, obtaining the required zoning permits for the farm worker housing,
subdivide said housing from the farm nor form any condominium
property regime around said housing.
h) Said housing may be portable and or temporary, but in all
cases shall meet all health, safety and Occupational Safety and Health
Administration (O.S.H.A.) requirements.
i) A property shall be eligible for farm worker housing only
when all of the subject property's respective maximum permitted
residential densities, as established in Section 8-7.5, have been
permitted and constructed.
j) The owner of farm worker housing shall annually certify to
the Director of Planning that the Farm Worker Housing meets the
conditions of subsection a through i above and shall give written consent
to the Planning Department for an annual announced inspection by the
department
k) Prior to the issuance of the building permit, the applicant
shall demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Planning Director that the
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applicant has recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances or the Land Court,
as the case may be, the above conditions, explicitly stating that the use
permit does not run with the land but is personal to the specif'ic
applicant, and that any subsequent owner must secure a separate use
permit for farm worker housing.]
"Farm worker housing" means housing that is accessorv to a farm, over
and above the residential density allowed in the Agriculture District, as
established in Section 8-7.5 for which a Use Permit is obtained pursuant to
Section 8-7.9.
"Finished grade" means the final elevation of the ground surface after
manmade alterations such as grading, grubbing, filling or excavating have
been made on the ground surface. .
"Flag Lots" means a lot or parcel bounded by at least six (6) sides and
describing two (2) distinct but contiguous areas, one (1) of which is the
primary development area used to determine lot area, width and proportion,
and the other of which is an appendage normally used as access from a street
to the primary development area. The primary development area is referred
to as the "flag" portion of the lot, and the appendage is referred to as the
"pole" portion of the lot.
"Flammable Liquid" means any liquid having a flash point below two
hundred degrees Fahrenheit (200 degrees F.) and having a vapor pressure
not exceeding forty (40) pounds per square inch (absalute) at one hundred
degrees Fahrenheit (100 degrees F.).
"Flood Fringe Area" means the portion of the flood plain outside the
floodway, designated as AE, AO, and AH Zones on the FIRM.
"Flood Insurance Rate Map" means the official map on which the
Federal Insurance Administration has delineated the areas of special flood
hazards, the risk premium zones applicable, base flood elevations, and
floodways.
"Flood Insurance Study" means the official report provided by the
Federal Insurance Administration that includes flood profiles, the FIRM, and
the water surface elevation of the base flood.
"Floodway" means the channel of a river or other watercourse and the
adjacent land areas that must be reserved in order to discharge the base flood
without cumulatively increasing the water surface elevation more than one
(1) foot.
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"Forestry" means the growing or harvesting of trees for timber or wood
f'ibre purposes.
"Frontage" means that portion of a parcel of property which abuts on a
road, street, or highway.
"Front, Building" means the side of a building or structure nearest the
street on which the building fronts, or the side intended for access from
public area. In cases where this definition is not applicable, the Planning
Director shall make the determination.
"Garage" means a building or structure or a portion thereof in which a
motor vehicle is stored, housed, kept, repaired or serviced.
"Garage, Automobile Repair" means a garage wherein major repairs
are made to motor vehicles or in which any major repairs are made to motor
vehicles other than those normally used by the occupants of the parcel on
which the garage is located.
"Garage, Automobile Storage" means any garage used exclusively for
the storage of vehicles.
"General Flood Plain Area" means the area consisting of the
approximate flood plain area as delineated on the flood maps, where detailed
engineering studies have not been conducted by the Federal Insurance
Administration to delineate the flood fringe and floodway and identified as A,
X, and D Zones on the FIRM.
"Grade" with reference to a street or land surface, means the gradient,
the rate of incline or decline expressed as a percent.
"Grazing" means the production or use of vegetative land cover for the
pasturing of animals.
"Ground Level" means with reference to a building, the average
elevation of the finished ground levels adjoining the walls of a building.
"Guest House" means a building used for dwelling purposes by guests
with a floor area of no more than five hundred (500) square feet that contains
no kitchen and is located on a parcel of at least nine thousand (9,000) square
feet that contains one (1) or more dwelling units.
"Height-Building". See appropriate Chapter provisions.
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~ • "Height, Fence or Screen" means the vertical distance measured from
the ground level to the top of the fence. For the purpose of applying height
regulations, the average height of the fence along any unbroken run may be
used provided the height at any point is not more than ten percent (10%)
greater than that normally permitted.
"Height, Wall" means the vertical distance to the wall plate measured
from the ground level at the bottom of the wall. "Historic Resource" means any property, area, place, district, building,
structure, site, neighborhood, scenic viewplane or other object having special
historical, cultural, architectural or aesthetic value to the County of Kauai.
"Home Business" means any use customarily conducted entirely within
a dwelling and carried on solely by the inhabitants thereof, in connection
with which there are: no display from the outside of the building; no
mechanical equipment used except as is normally used for domestic or
household purposes; and no selling of any commodity on the premises; which
use is clearly incidental and secondary to the use of the dwelling for dwelling
purposes and does not change the character thereof. The office, studio, or
occupational room of an architect, artist, engineer, lawyer or other similar
professional person; a family child care home; business conducted entirely by
phone or by mail (not involving frequent bulk shipments); and an office for
"homework" of a person in business elsewhere; all shall be permitted as home
businesses except that no activity involving, encouraging, or depending upon
frequent visits by the public and no shop or clinic of any type shall be deemed
to be a home business. "Horizontal Property Regime" means the forms of development defined
in the Horizontal Property Act, Chapter 514A, H.R.S.
"Hospital" means any building or portion thereof to which persons may
be admitted for overnight stay or longer and which is used for diagnosis, care
or treatment of human illness or inf'irmity or which provides care during and
after pregnancy.
"Hotel" means any building containing six (6) or more rooms intended
or designed to be used, or which are used, rented or hired out to be occupied
. for sleeping purposes by guests when the rooms are open to the occupancy by
the general public on a commercial basis whether the establishment is called
a hotel, resort hotel, inn, lodge or otherwise which rooms do not constitute
dwelling units.
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"HPR Commission" means the Historic Preservation Review
Commission.
"Indoor Amusement, Commercial" means buildings and structures
designed to be used by members of the public that contain amusement
facilities such as movie theaters, bowling alleys, pool halls and skating rinks.
"Industry" means the manufacture, fabrication, processing, reduction
or destruction of any article, substance or commodity, or any other treatment
thereof in a manner so as to change the form, character or appearance
thereof, and storage other than that accessory to a nonmanufacturing use on
the same parcel including storage elevators, truck storage yards, warehouses,
wholesale storage and other similar types of enterprises.
"Intensive Agriculture" means the growing and harvesting of plant
crops for human consumption or animal feeds primarily for sale to others and
involving the long-range commitment to one crop such as sugar, pineapple,
sorghum, or grain.
"Junk" means any worn-out, cast-off, or discarded article or material
which is ready for destruction or has been collected or 'stored for salvage or
conversion to some use; any article or material which, unaltered or
unchanged and without further reconditioning can be used for its original
purpose as readily as when new shall not be considered junk.
"Junk Yard" means any open space in excess of two hundred (200)
square feet, used for the breaking up, dismantling, sorting, storage or
distribution of any scrap, waste material or junk.
"Kitchen" means any room used or intended or designed to be used for
cooking and preparing food.
"Land Coverage" means a man-made structure, improvement or
covering that prevents normal precipitation from directly reaching the
surface of the land underlying the structure, improvement or covering.
Structures, improvements and covering include roofs, surfaces that are paved
with asphalt, stone, or the like such as roads, streets, sidewalks, driveways,
parking lots, tennis courts, patios, and lands so used that the soil will be
compacted so as to prevent substantial infiltration, such as parking of cars
and heavy and repeated pedestrian traffic.
"Landscaping" means the modif'ication of the landscape for an aesthetic
or functional purpose. It includes the preservation of existing vegetation and
the continued maintenance thereof together with grading and installation of
minor structures and appurtenances.
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"Land Use" and "Use of Land" includes "building use" and "use of
building".
"Livestock" means doniestic animals of types customarily raised or
kept on farms for profit or other productive purposes.
"Loft" means the floor placed between the roof and the floor of the
uppermost story within a single family detached dwelling, the floor area of
which is not more than one-third (1/3) the floor area of the story or room in
which it is placed. .
"Lot" means a portion of land shown as a unit on an approved and
recorded Subdivision Map.
"Lot Area" means the total of the area, measured in a horizontal plane,
within the lot boundary lines.
"Lot Coverage". See "Land Coverage".
"Lot Length" means the horizontal distance between the front and rear
lot lines measured in the mean direction of the side lot lines.
"Lot Width" means the average horizontal distance between the side
lot lines measured at right angles to the line followed in measuring the lot
depth.
"Manager" means the Manager and Chief Engineer of the Water
Department of the County of Kauai.
"Mineral Extraction" means any excavation or removal of natural
materials not related to or not occasioned by an impending development of
the site of the excavation.
"Motel" means a group of attached or detached buildings containing
rooms, designed for or used temporarily by automobile tourists or transients,
with garages attached or parking space conveniently located to each unit,
including auto court, tourist court or motor lodge, or otherwise, which rooms
do not constitute dwelling units.
"Non-conforming Building and Structure" means a building or portion thereof lawfully existing at the time of the adoption of this Zoning Ordinance
or as a result of any subsequent amendment and which does not comply with
the regulations of the zoning district in which it is located.
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"Non-conforming Use" means a lawful use of a building or land
existing at the time of the adoption of this Ordinance 'or as a result of any
subsequent amendment, and which does not comply with the regulations for
the zoning district in which it is located.
"Nursery" means the growing, collecting or storing of plants for the
purpose of selling to others for transplanting.
"Nursing Home" means a facility established for profit or nonprofit,
which provides nursing care and related medical services on a twenty-four
(24) hour per day basis to two (2) or more individuals because of illness,
disease, or physical or mental infirmity. It provides care for those persons
not in need of hospital care.
"Open Space" means the portion or portions of a parcel unoccupied or
unobstructed by buildings, paving or structures from the ground upward.
"Orchards" means the establishment, care and harvesting of over
twenty-five (25) fruit bearing trees such as persimmon, guava, banana or
papaya for the purpose of selling the fruit to others. .
"Organized Recreation Camps" means land or premises containing
structures designed to be used for organized camping. The structures include
bunk houses, tent platforms, mess halls and cooking facilities, and playfields.
Examples include Boy Scout Camps and summer camps.
"Outdoor-Amusement, Commercial" means land or premises designed
to be used by members of the public, for a fee, that contain outdoor
amusement facilities such as miniature golf courses, merry-go-rounds, car
race tracks, and outdoor motion picture theaters.
"Outdoor Recreation" means uses and facilities pertaining primarily to
recreation activities that are carried on primarily outside of structures.
"Outdoor Recreation Concession" means uses and facilities ancillary to
outdoor recreation uses, such as gasoline pumps at piers and marinas, and
boat rental and food and beverage facilities at public beaches.
"Owner" means the holders of at least seventy-five percent (75%) of the
equitable and legal title of a lot. "Parcel" means an area of contiguous land owned by a person.
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"Parking Area, Public" means an open area, other than street or alley,
used for the parking of automobiles and available for public use whether free,
for compensation, or as an accommodation for clients or customers.
"Parking Space, Automobile" means an area other than a street or
alley reserved for the parking of one (1) automobile. The space shall be
' afforded adequate ingress and egress.
"Pet Keeping" means the feeding or sheltering of more than two (2)
animals or four (4) birds as a service to others.
"Pet Raising" means the breeding, feeding or sheltering of more than
two (2) animals not normally used for human consumption for the purpose of
sale to others.
"Piggery" means any parcel where ten (10) or more weaned hogs are
maintained.
"Planning Commission" means the Planning Commission of the
County of Kauai. "Planning Director" means the Director of the Planning Department of
the County of Kauai.
"Poultry Raising" means the breeding, feeding, sheltering or gathering
of more than four (4) game or domestic fowl for the purpose of sale, food or
egg production, or pets.
"Private Recreation Areas" means lands or premises designed to be
used exclusively by owners and renters of dwelling units, that contain such
facilities as tennis courts, playfields, swimming pools, clubhouses, bathing
beaches, and piers. "Project; Project Instrument". "Project" means property that is subject
to project instruments, including but not limited to condominiums and
cooperative housing corporations. "Project instrument" means one or more
documents, including any amendments to the documents, by whatever name
denominated, containing restrictions or covenants regulating the use or
occupancy of a project.
"Property Line" means any property line bounding a lot as defined in
this Section.
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"Property Line, Front" means the line separating the lot from the
street or other public areas. In case a lot abuts on more than one (1) street,
the lot owner may elect any street lot line as the front line provided that the
choice, in the discretion of the Planning Director, will not be injurious to
adjacent properties and will comply with any other reasonable determination
of the Planning Director. Where a lot does not abut on a street or where
access is by means of an access way, the lot line nearest to and most nearly
parallel to the street line is the front lot line. In cases where this definition is
not applicable, the Planning Director shall designate the front lot line.
"Property Line, Rear" means that line of a lot which is opposite and
most distant from the front line of the lot. In cases where this definition is
not applicable the Planning Director shall designate the rear lot line.
"Property Line, Side" means any lot boundary not a front or rear lot
line.
"Public Facility" means a facility owned or controlled by a
governmental agency.
"Public Utility" has the meaning defined in Section 269-1, H.R.S.
"Rear, Building" means the side of the building or structure opposite
the front. In cases where this definition is not applicable, the Planning
Director shall make the determination.
"Recreation Vehicle Park" means a parcel of land under one (1)
ownership which has been planned and improved and which is let or rented
or used for the temporary placement of camp trailers and camping vehicles
which are utilized for non-permanent residential use.
"Recreational Trailer" means a portable structure, used or designed for
human habitation or occupancy and built on a chassis with wheels, which is
capable of being licensed as a motor vehicle, a vehicle or a trailer pursuant to
Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 249 and transported on a highway, but
which is unable, due to its size, design, construction or other attributes, to
comply with the minimum standards and requirements applicable to
dwellings or buildings, or portions thereof, contained in Section 12-4.4 of
Chapter 12, Building Code.
"Religious Facilities" means buildings, other structures, and land
designed to be used for purposes of worship.
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"Repair" (as applied to Structures) means the renewal or treatment of
any part of an existing structure for the purpose of its maintenance. The
word "repairs" shall not apply to any change of construction such as
alterations of floors, roofs, walls or the supporting structure of a building or
the rearrangement of any of its component parts.
"Residential Care Home" means any care home facility occupied by
more than five (5) care home residents.
"Resource Management" means uses and facilities pertaining to forest
products, minerals and other natural resources.
"Retail Stores or Shops" means an establishment primarily engaged in
selling goods, wares or merchandise directly to the ultimate consumer.
"School" means an institution with an organized curriculum offering
instruction to children in the grade range kindergarten through twelve (12),
or any portion thereof.
"Setback Line" means a line parallel to any property line and at a
distance from there equal to the required minimum dimension from that
property line, and extending the full length of the property line.
"Slope" means a natural or artif'icial incline, as a hillside or terrace.
Slope is usually expressed as a ratio or percent.
. "Specialized Agriculture" means the growing, collection or storing of
any plant for ornamental or non-food use such as flowers and pot plants.
"Stock Raising" means the breeding, feeding, grazing, herding or
sheltering of more than one (1) animal such as cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, and
horses, for any purpose. "Story" means the space in a building between the upper surface of any
floor and the upper surface of the floor next above, and if there be no floor
above, then the space between the upper surface of the topmost floor and the
ceiling or roof above. No story shall be more than twelve (12) feet high
measured from the floor level to the wall plate line.
"Street Center Line" means the center line of a street as established by
official surveys or a recorded subdivision map. If not so established, the
center line is midway between the right-of-way lines bounding the street.
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"Street or Highway" means a way or place of whatever nature, open to
the public for purposes of vehicular travel.
"Street Right-of-Way Line" means the boundary line right-of-way or
easement and abutting property.
"Structural Alteration" means any change in thesupporting members
of a building, such as in a bearing wall, column, beam or girder, floor or
ceiling joist, roof rafters, roof diaphragms, foundations, piles or retaining
walls or similar components or changes in roof or exterior lines.
"Structure" means anything constructed or erected which requires
location on the ground or which is attached to something having location on
the ground, excluding vehicles designed and used only for the transportation
of people or goods, and excluding utility poles and towers constructed by a
public utility.
"Subdivider" means a person commencing proceedings to effect a
division of land for himself or for another.
"Subdivision" means the division of land or the consolidation and
resubdivision into two (2) or more lots or parcels for the purpose of transfer,
sale, lease, or building development, and when appropriate to the context
shall relate to the process of dividing land for any purpose. The term also
includes a building or group of buildings, other than. hotel, containing or
divided into two (2) or more dwelling units or lodging units.
"Thoroughfare" means a highway or street.
"Time Share Plan" means any plan or program in which the use,
occupancy, or possession of one or more time share units circulates among
various persons for less than a sixty (60) day period in any year, for any
occupant. The term "time share plan" shall include both time share
ownership plans and time share use plans, as follows:
(A) "Time share ownership plan" means any arrangement whether
by tenancy in common, sale, deed, or other means whereby the purchaser
receives an ownersliip interest and the right to use the property for a specific
or discernible period by temporal division.
(B) "Time share use plan" means any arrangement, excluding
normal hotel operations, whether by membership agreement, lease, rental
agreement, license, use agreement, security or other means, whereby the
purchaser receives a right to use accommodations or facilities, or both, in a
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time share unit for a specif"ic or discernible period by temporal division, but
does not receive an owner- ship interest.
"Time Share Unit" means the actual and promised accommodations,
and related facilities, which are the subject of a time share plan.
"Trailer Home" means factory built housing which is capable of being
licensed as a vehicle or trailer pursuant to Hawau Revised Statutes Chapter
249 and transported upon a highway.
"Transient Vacation Rentals" means rentals in a multi-unit building
for visitors over the course of one (1) or more years, with the duration of
occupancy less than thirty (30) days for the transient occupant.
"Undeveloped Campground" means land or premises designed to be
used for temporary occupancy by campers traveling by foot or horse which
may contain facilities and fireplaces, but do not contain facilities as are
provided at developed campgrounds.
"Use" means the purpose for which land or building is arranged,
designed or intended, or for which either land or building is or may be
occupied or maintained.
"Used" includes "designed, intended or arranged to be used".
"Use, Existing" means a lawful use of land existing on August 17,
1972.
. "Use Permit" means a permit issued under the definite procedure
provided in this Chapter allowing a certain use which is conditionally
permitted for the particular district.
"Utility Facility" means a use or structure used directly in distribution
or transmission of utility services.
"Utility Line" means the conduit, wire or pipe employed to conduct
water, gas, electricity or other commodity from the source tank or facility for
reduction of pressure or voltage or any other installation, employed to
facilitate distribution.
"Wall" means any structure or device forming a physical barrier, which
is so constructed that fifty percent (50%) or more of the vertical surface is
closed and prevents or tends to prevent the passage of light, air and vision
through the surface in a horizontal plane. (This includes structures of
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concrete, concrete block, wood or other materials that are solids and are so
assembled as to form a solid barrier, provided carport posts, columns and
other similar structures not constructed of fifty percent (50%) or more of the
vertical surface shall be deemed walls.)"
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material is underscored.)
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Bill No. 2318, Draft l, Relating to Farm Worker Housing
INTRODUCED BY: Daryl W. Kaneshiro
Amend Bill No. 2318, as amended, by amending Section 8-7.9 to read as follows:
Sec. 8-7.9 Farm Worker Housing Use Permit. (a) No use permit for farm worker housing shall be granted unless the
farm has generated at least twelve thousand dollars ($12,000.00) of gross sales of
agricultural product(s) per year, for the preceding (2) two consecutive years for each
farm worker housing unit on the lot, as shown by State general excise tax forms and
Federal Schedule F forms and at least two of the following conditions are met:
(1) The owner or lessee of the respective lot on which the farm worker
housing is being proposed has provided a farm plan to the Planning Department
that demonstrates the feasibility of the respective farm's commercial agricultural
production.
(2) The farm is entitled to Agricultural Rates provided by the Department
of Water.
(3) 75% of the lot on which the farm worker housing is being proposed is in
cultivation or crop rotation and the owner has dedicated the land to agricultural use
pursuant to Section 5A-9.1 of the Kaua`i County Code.
If more than one farm worker housing unit is constructed on the lot, the farm
worker housing shall be clustered in one area. The applicant shall submit a plot
. plan delineating the location of each farm worker housing unit. The Planning
Commission may determine the location of each farm worker housing unit.
(b) In addition to the Use Permit requirements, the farm worker housing
shall:
(1) Be used exclusively for the housing of farm workers and their
immediate family;
(2) For a farm worker and the worker's family, shall not exceed 1200
square feet of floor area;
(3) For a single farm worker, shall not exceed 650 square feet in floor area;
(4) Be removed within four (4) months after the farm ceases operation or
fails to meet the definition of a farm. If the farm worker housing is attached to a
primary dwelling unit that is part of the density allowed on the subject property,
only the additional kitchen shall be removed, and not the additional structure itself.
At the time the owner is allowed another kitchen to create a farm worker housing
unit, the owner shall sign a unilateral agreement giving the Planning Department
the right to make two (2) unannounced inspections per year by the Planning
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Department for the purpose of ascertaining compliance in the case where the farm
worker housing must be removed. Said agreement shall be recorded in the Bureau
of Conveyances or the Land Court, as the case may be. Nothing in the agreement
shall prevent the Planning Department from making as many inspections as may
be necessary for the enforcement of other planning laws;
(5) Be located on the subject parcel where the farming is occurring;
(6) Meet all health, safety and Occupational Safety and Health
Administration (O.S.H.A.) requirements; and
(c) A lot shall be eligible for farm worker housing only when all of the lot's
respective maximum permitted residential densities, as established in Section 8-7.5,
have been permitted and constructed. The owner mav applv for a use permit to
designate a le ally permitted existing structure as farm worker housing and if such
permit is approved the structure shall not be considered when calculating the
,allowable densitv for the lot upon which the structure is located.
(d) Prior to the issuance of the building permit, the applicant shall
demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Planning Director that the applicant has
recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances or the Land Court, as the case may be, the
requirements and conditions set forth in Sections 8-7.9 (a) and (b) respectively,
explicitly stating that the use permit does not run with the land but is personal to
the specific applicant, and that any subsequent owner must secure a separate use
permit for farm worker housing.
(e) The land upon which the farm worker housing is located shall not be
subdivided to create separate lots for the farm worker housing and the farm. If a
use permit for farm worker housing on the lot is approved, the lot shall not
thereafter be submitted to a condominium property regime unless the use permit is
rescinded and the farm worker housing is removed.
(f) The owner of farm worker housing shall annually certify to the
Director of Planning that the Farm Worker Housing meets requirements and
conditions set forth in Sections 8-7.9 (a) and (b) above and shall give written consent
to the Planning Department for an annual announced inspection by the
department.
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material is underscored.)
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FLOOR AMENDMENT
Bill No. 2318, Draft 1, Relating to Farm Worker Housing
INTRODUCED BY: Lani Kawahara
Amend Bill No. 2318 to read as follows:
SECTION 1. Section 8-1.5, Kaua`i County Code 1987, is hereby
,amended by adding the following definitions to be appropriately inserted and to
read as follows:
["Farm" means an operation or enterprise in operation for at least one year,
the core function of which is the commercial cultivation of crops, including but not
limited to crops for bioenergy, flowers, vegetables, foliage, fruits, forage, and
timber or the raising of livestock, including but not limited to poultry, bees, fish, or
other animal or aquatic life that are propagated for commercial purposes as
evidenced by the annual filing of a Schedule F form with federal income tax filings
by the owner or lessee.
"Farm worker" is an employee or intern who works no less than nineteen
(19) hours per week in farm-related operations on a farm.
"Farm worker housing" means housing over and above the residential
density allowed in the Agriculture District, as established in Section 8-7.5, which
meets the following criteria:
a) Is accessory to a farm that has generated at least $35,000 of gross
.sales of agricultural product(s) per year, for the preceding (2) two consecutive
years, for each farm worker housing unit on the lot, as shown by State general
excise tax forms and Federal Schedule F forms.
b) The owner or lessee of the respective lot on which the farm
worker housing is being proposed shall provide a farm plan to the Planning
Department that demonstrates the feasibility of the respective farm's commercial
agricultural production.
c) Is used exclusively for the housing of farm workers and their
immediate family.
d) For a family - the living space does not exceed 1200 square feet in
area
e) For a single person - the unit does not exceed 650 square feet in area
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~ If the farm ceases operation or fails to meet the definition of a farm,
-the owner shall remove all farm worker housing from the subject parcel within
four (4) months of the triggering event (the cessation of a farm or failure to meet
the definition). If the farm worker housing is attached to a primary dwelling unit
that is part of the density allowed on the subject property, only the additional
kitchen shall be removed, and not the additional structure itsel£ At the time the
owner is allowed another kitchen to create a farm worker housing unit, the owner
shall sign a unilateral agreement giving the Planning Department the right to
make two (2) unannounced inspections per year by the Planning Department for
the purpose of ascertaining compliance in the case where the farm worker housing
must be removed. Said agreement shall be recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances
or the Land Court, as the case may be. Nothing in the agreement shall prevent the
Planning Department from making as many properly executed announced
inspections as may be necessary for the enforcement of other planning laws.
g) Said housing shall be located on the subject parcel where the farming
is occurring and the owner shall not, subsequent to obtaining the required zoning
permits for the farm worker housing, subdivide said housing from the farm nor
form any condominium property regime around said housing.
h) Said housing may be portable and or temporary, but in all cases shall
meet all health, safety and Occupational Safety and Health Administration
(O.S.H.A.) requirements.
i) A property shall be eligible for farm worker housing only when all of
the subject property's respective maximum permitted residential densities, as
established in Section 8-7.5, have been permitted and constructed.
j) The owner of farm worker housing shall annually certify to the
Director of Planning that the Farm Worker Housing meets the conditions of
subsection a through i above and shall give written consent to the Planning
Department for an annual announced inspection by the department.
k) Prior to the issuance of the building permit, the applicant shall
demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Planning Director that the applicant has
recorded in the Bureau of Conveyances or the Land Court, as the case may be, the
above conditions, explicitly stating that the use permit does not run with the land
but is personal to the speci.f'ic applicant, and that any subsequent owner must
secure a separate use permit for farm worker housing.]
"Farm" for the purposes of this ordinance means an operation or enterprise
in operation for at least one vear, the core function of which, is the commercial
cultivation of crops including but not limited to vegetables, foliage, fruits, forage,
and timber or the raising of livestock including but not limited to poultrv, bees,
fish or other animal or aquatic life that are propagated for commercial purposes as
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evidenced bv:
a. the annual filing of a Schedule F form with federal income tax filings bv
the owner or lessee;
b. a farm plan apnroved bv the applicable Soil and Water Conservation
Committee or for which agricultural dedication has been approved bv the Countv
Real Property Tax Division; and c. gross sales of agricultural products from said farm of at least $10,000 in
the prior year; or
d) more than 75% of the subject parcel is used for farming purposes. The
75% shall include portions that are unusable as defined bv the Countv Real
Property Tax Division. The 75% shall not include anv house site even though it
mav be housing a person or persons who are working on the subiect farm.
"Farm worker" is a farm owner, emplovee, contract worker or intern who
works no less then 14 hours lper week in farm-related operations on the subject
farm.
"Farm worker housing" means housing over and above the residential
density allowed in the Agriculture District as established in Section 8-7.5, which
meets the following criteria:
a. Is used exclusivelv for housing for farm workers and their immediate
familv.
b. For a family the living space does not exceed 1200 square feet in area.
c. For a single person, the unit does not exceed 650 square feet in area.
d. No rent shall be charged for such housing, and the owner or lessee shall
file an affidavit with the PlanninDepartment that no rent is bein charged and
that the resident of said housing is a farm worker as defined herein or a member of
the resident farm worker's immediate familv.
e. If the farm ceases operation or fails to meet the definition of a farm, the
owner shall remove all farm worker housing from the subject parcel within six (6)
months of the final determination that the operations on subject parcel(s no long,er
meets the definition of a farm as provided herein.
(1) If the farm worker housing is attached to a primary dwelling unit that is
part of the densitv allowed on the subject nropertv, the additional kitchen onlv shall
be removed, not the additional structure itsel£ At the time the owner is allowed
another kitchen to create a farm worker housing unit, the owner shall si n a
unilateral agreement iving the Planning Department the right to make two
unannounced inspections per year bv the Planning Department for the purpose of
ascertaining compliance in the case where the farm worker housing must be
removed. Said agreement shall be recorded in the Bureau of Convevances or the
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Land Court as the case mav be. Nothing in the agreement shall prevent the
Planning Department from making as manv properlv executed announced
inspections as mav be necessarv for the enforcement of other planning laws.
e Said housing shall be located on the subiect farm and the owner shall not,
subsequent to obtaining the required zoning permits for the farm worker housing,
subdivide said housing from the farm nor form anv condominium propertv regime
around with said housing.
f Said housing mav be portable and or temporarv but in all cases shall meet
all health safety and Occupational Safetv and Health Administration (O.H.S.A.)
requirements, and g A propertv shall be eligible for farm worker housing onlv when all of the
subject propertv's respective maximum permitted residential densities, as
established in Section 8-7.5 have been permitted and constructed.
h The owner of farm worker housing shall annuallvi certifv to the Director of
Planning that the Farm Worker Housing~meets the conditions of subsection a
through g above and shall give written consent to the Planning Department for an
annual announced inspection bv the department
i Prior to the issuance of a building permit for farm worker housing, the
applicant shall demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Planning Director that the
applicant has recorded in the Bureau of Convevances or the Land Court, as the case
mav be the above conditions explicitlv stating that the use permit does not run
with the land but is personal to the specific applicant and that anv subsequent
owner must secure a separate use permit for farm worker housing.
SECTION 2. Section 8-1.4(f) of the Kauai County Code, as amended, is
hereby amended to read as follows:
Section 8-1.4(f ) Nothing in this Chapter shall prohibit the use of factory
built housing or trailer homes as permitted dwellings, buildings or structures for
the purpose of human habitation or occupancy within the various Use Districts
provided that all such factory built housing and trailer homes must first:
(1) Meet all applicable development standards, density limitation and
other such requirements for the particular Use District;
(2) Be permanently affixed to the ground;
(3) Have had their wheels and axles, if any removed; except in the case of
farm worker housing as defined in Section 8-1.5, Kaua'i Countv Code 1987, as
amended.
(4) If licensed pursuant to the Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 249, have
been registered as a stored vehicle in accordance with Hawaii Revised Statues
Section 249-5;
(5) Meet the standards and requirements contained in Section 12
4.4 of Chapter 12, Building Code; and
(6) Meet all other applicable governmental rules, regulations, ordinances,
statutes and laws.
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SECTION 3. If any provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to
any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other
provisions or applications of the Ordinance which can be given effect without the
invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Ordinance are
~ severable.
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material is underscored.)