HomeMy WebLinkAbout2012-03-08 Open Space Commission Minutes Approved COUNTY OF KAUAI
PUBLIC ACCESS, OPEN SPACE & NATURAL RESOURCES
PRESERVATION FUND COMMISSION
Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/213
MINUTES
A regular meeting of the County of Kauai Public Access, Open Space & Natural
Resources Preservation Fund Commission of the County of Kauai was held on March
8, 2012, in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building Meeting Room 2A/2B.
The following Commissioners were present: Maurice Nakahara, Vice Chairperson,
Linda Dela Cruz, Tessie Kinnaman, John Lydgate, and Jean Souza.
The following Commissioners were excused: Joseph Figaroa, Chairperson, Nathaniel
Childs, Johanna Ventura and one (1) vacancy.
The following staff members were present: Nani Sadora, Duke Nakamatsu, and Deputy
County Attorney Ian Jung.
CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chair Nakahara called the meeting to order at 1:20 p.m.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION:
It was moved by Tessie Kinnaman and seconded by Linda Dela Cruz to
approve the agenda.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES
Minutes of the 2/09/12 Meeting —Approved.
Commissioner Kinnaman requested a correction to the last paragraph on page 3 from
"Commissioner Souza stated that she and Commissioner Souza..." to "Commissioner
Souza stated that she and Commissioner Kinnaman..."
Commissioner Souza requested an amendment to the last paragraph on page 3 from
"She stated that the she talked about..." to "She stated that she explained to the
Council..."
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Commissioner Kinnaman requested an edit to the 3rd paragraph on page 5 from "and
project manager" to "and/or project manager".
Commissioner Souza requested an edit to the first paragraph on page 4 from "She
stated that 2% would be consistent..." to "She stated that 2% may be consistent..."
Deputy County Attorney requested amending the first sentence on page 6 from "many
times private owners will impose a conservation easement upon themselves in the form
of a dedication." to "many times private owners will impose deed restrictions upon
themselves."
Commissioner Souza requested clarifying the third paragraph on page 7 from "the
Council Committee Chair helped the Commission to come up with a mission statement
and goals." to "the now Council Planning Committee Chair, helped the Commission to
come up with a mission statement and goals years ago as a consultant."
Commissioner Kinnaman noted an error in the second sentence of the first paragraph
"executive session" should be "executive summary".
Commissioner Kinnaman noted an error on page 12 "Since 20015" should be "Since
2005"
MOTION:
It was moved by Jean Souza and seconded by John Lydgate to approve the
minutes of the 2/23/12 Meeting as amended.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
Minutes of the 2/23/12 Meeting — Deferred.
MOTION:
It was moved by Tessie Kinnaman and seconded by Linda Dela Cruz to
defer approval of the 2/23/12 meeting minutes.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Ms. Sadora announced that one application was received via the Office of Boards &
Commissions for the ninth commissioner and it was circulated to the investigative team.
Commissioner Souza stated that on February 23, the Commission took action to
recommend that the Planning Department purchase an Elmo overhead projector. She
stated that staff requested that she provide more specifics, but she noted that when the
amendments to Ordinance 812 were discussed at the Council, there is a possibility that
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the frequency of future Commission meetings might be significantly less if the
amendments are approved so the utilization of the Elmo would be less.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that if the Elmo is purchased by the Commission, any other
members of the County could and should be allowed to utilize it.
Commissioner Souza stated that one of the reasons for suggesting an Elmo was to
lessen the amount of paper that was being photo copied because it could project
documents and images and it would lessen the amount of times that staff would need to
leave the room to make copies. She noted that the Planning Department has been
responsive to the motion, but she suggested waiting to see if there would still be the
need if the Ordinance passes.
Commissioner Souza also announced that she might need to leave the meeting
between 4:00 p.m. and 4:15 p.m.
Ms. Sadora announced that Commissioner Ventura will be off-island and not available
for the next meeting on March 22.
RECEIPT OF ITEMS FOR THE RECORD
There were no items to receive for the record.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Discussion with the County Attorney pertaining to the legal issues involved with
recommending acquisition of real property to the County Council as part of the
annual report.
Executive Session: Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes Sections 92-4 and 92-
5(a)(4), the purpose of this executive session is to consult with the County's legal
counsel on questions and issue relating to the above item. This consultation
involves consideration of the Commission's powers, duties, privileges,
immunities, and/or liabilities with regard to this agenda item.
There was nothing to report from the Deputy County Attorney.
Vice Chair Nakahara requested continuing this agenda item should something come up.
Update on proposed amendments to Ordinance 812.
Commissioner Souza stated that the County Council's Planning Committee received the
proposed amendments to Ordinance 812. She noted that staff was distributing a
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memorandum from Planning Director Dahilig to Councilwoman Nakamura in response
to questions that the Council had of the Planning Department and a floor amendment
that the Council considered introducing that was pulled for further consideration.
Ms. Sadora stated that the first question was regarding the limit to the number of terms
a commissioner can serve. She stated that the answer was three consecutive terms,
each term being three years. She stated that the next question was to the 5% of the
fund that is used for administrative expense. She noted that the Planning Department
utilizes 5% of the certified real property tax allotment for that fiscal year as the budget
submittal for administrative expenses including office supplies, mileage
reimbursements, printing, etc.
Commissioner Souza clarified that the administrative expenses are 5% of the Open
Space Fund.
Ms. Sadora noted that the Ordinance refers to 5% of the Open Space Fund, but when
the Planning Department submits the annual budget, they only calculate 5% of the
incoming yearly certified real property tax allotment for the operating administrative
budget. She stated that when the Council Chair refers to 5% of the fund, he is referring
to 5% of the total accumulated funds that can be used for appraisals and other expense.
She stated that Council asked for clarification on administrative expenses for the
operating budget.
Commissioner Souza stated that the difference in interpretation of how much is
involved, whether 5% of the annual addition to the fund or 5% of the accumulated total
is significant, because the expectation on what can be done with the money is different.
Deputy County Attorney Jung clarified that they don't have to use the full 5%. He noted
that the Ordinance states no more than 5%.
Vice Chair Nakahara questioned if part of the 5% is used to print the annual report.
Ms. Sadora stated that it is part of their administrative budget. She stated that because
Council was referring to 5% of the balance of the fund, the Department wanted to notify
the Council that they base the operating budget on only the annual incoming certified
real property taxes.
Commissioner Souza stated that the budget is up to the Administration, but it reflects on
the Commission in the expectation of what gets done. She stated that some of what
can be done in the future is dependent on funds that are available to contract out.
Commissioner Lydgate stated that it is an important clarification.
Ms. Sadora stated that the fourth question was whether it was more cost efficient to
perform work related to open space land acquisitions in-house rather than out sourced.
She stated that currently it is handled in-house. She stated that when the job cannot be
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performed by the Planning Department or another County agency then it would be out-
sourced.
Vice Chair Nakahara questioned if any work has ever been out-sourced.
Ms. Sadora stated that the only out-sourcing was when Ms. Nakamura was brought in
as a consultant prior to being on the Council.
Vice Chair Nakahara questioned if the Council is looking to receive packages for each
recommendation.
Commissioner Souza stated that it was not clear as to whether the recommendations in
the report should include the entire package. She stated that would be a question that
she would ask regarding expectations. She stated that currently the Commission
provides a brief package, but the Commission would expect the Council to state which
sites they are interested in and then request more information, or the Commission at a
subsequent date could provide more information on how it should proceed like with the
Hoban dossier. She stated that without further clarification she was not convinced that
the annual report would require the entire package before it is submitted to Council.
Ms. Sadora stated that the Council questioned whether the minimum amount allotted
from the real property taxes should change from .5% to 1%. She stated that Deputy
County Attorney Jung suggested that it should be a separate amendment from what
was being submitted. She stated that the next question was how feasible it would be to
submit a triennial report instead of a biennial report. She stated that the Planning
Department would be open to a triennial report. She stated that the Planning Director
noted that an increase from an annual to biennial report is already a significant change
and suggested that the biennial report be introduced first to explore if that time period is
sufficient. She stated that if the report were submitted triennially, there might be the
possibility that certain Commissioners would be present for the input process but not for
the report submittal to Council.
Commissioner Souza stated it is important for the Commission to receive the whole
package including attachments for anything that involves action that the Commission
has taken. She stated that a packet should have been mailed prior to the meeting.
Ms. Sadora stated that the packet was at the Mayor's office and the Department only
had confirmation yesterday that it was received at the Council. She noted that Council
did not receive it until the day before the meeting.
Commissioner Souza stated that if it was not available ahead of time, it would have
been nice to have the complete packet at the meeting. She stated that whenever there
is a hearing or scheduled meeting on the Ordinance amendments or the dossier for
access to Kukuiula, the Commission should receive notification of the hearing. She
stated that she found out about it from a member of the public. She felt that it is
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important for the Commission to also have a presence at the Council meetings in
addition to the staff.
Ms. Sadora stated that the notification should have gone out. She stated that staff
receives the email from Council when the agenda is posted. She stated that they will
make sure that future information is circulated by email and a call made to
Commissioner Kinnaman.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that she usually sees the agendas in the Sunday
paper. She noted that meetings are usually posted a week in advance.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that he did not check the agenda so he was not
aware that it was on until that Monday.
Ms. Sadora stated that staff will be sure to forward the notices to Commissioners as
soon as they are received by the Department.
Commissioner Souza clarified that the Commission is interested in the Ordinance
amendments and the dossier regarding access to Kukuiula Bay through the former
Hoban property.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that the intent of the dossier was to feel if Council
would be interested in the site. He stated that the last time the Commission tried to
pursue this acquisition via condemnation resolution, it was not acted upon. He stated
that the Council was interested, so staff will move forward with an acquisition plan. He
stated that before Council takes action to approve the funds all of the appraisals and
negotiations need to be done.
Commissioner Souza stated that the significance of the Hoban easement acquisition is
that it is the first time the Commission has used the dossier process to take a
recommendation from an annual report to recommend a strategy. She stated that it is
more than just the Hoban easement acquisition, but the process. She stated that it
would have been good for a commissioner to speak as a commissioner since
Commissioner Kinnaman testified as a member of the public. She stated that
commissioners should attend subsequent hearings if they possible, but for sure either
she, Commissioner Kinnaman, Chair Figaroa should attend.
Ms. Sadora stated that per Commissioner Souza's suggestion, urgent emails will
contain in the subject line "911" or "411" if it is just informational. She stated that the
second handout was the floor amendments that were introduced by Councilmember
Rapozo, but they were still seeking clarifications before they will re-introduce it to the
committee.
Commissioner Souza noted that the new committee considerations are highlighted in
the handouts. She stated that there was a proposal to delete the section on initial terms
appointment terms since the initial terms occurred many years ago. She stated that the
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most recent discussion would be for a triennial report. She stated that the rationale was
that staff would have more time to work on implementation rather than working on two
meetings a month. She stated that former Commissioner Blaich was concerned about
not being able to respond quickly to special opportunities if the reports are submitted
infrequently, but she noted that the Commission would still be providing annual updates
and the list could be amended at any time. She stated that the difference between an
annual update and the report is that the report would include the component of public
input. She questioned how the Commissioners felt about a triennial report.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that at the last meeting the Commission voted to re-
affirm their preference for a biennial report. She stated that some of the
Commissioners' terms are longer than some of the Council members and she would
feel more comfortable with a biennial report.
Vice Chair Nakahara noted that half of their time is spent on the annual report. He
stated that a biennial or triennial report sounds reasonable depending upon what is
attached to the recommendations. He expressed concern if a package would be
required for each recommendation. He felt that recommendations should be made first
and then if the Administration and the Council are supportive, then the money should be
spent to assemble a package.
Commissioner Dela Cruz stated that she agreed with Commissioner Kinnaman that
most of the Commissioners' terms are three years. She noted that there have not been
any acquisitions since she has served for almost three years.
Commissioner Lydgate stated that in three years he will be 79. He stated that two or
three years would be good, but five years would be too long because he won't be
available to do Commission work.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that he felt that the Planning Director's response was good
in that the biennial report should be implemented first to explore whether the time period
is sufficient.
Ms. Sadora suggested that the commissioners view the online webcast of the Council
meeting so they can hear Councilwoman Nakamura's rationale behind a triennial report
and putting the priorities into something that can be acquired. She stated that
Councilwoman Yukimura mentioned that if something comes up, it would still allow the
Commission to produce annual status reports. She stated that staff did not have an
opportunity to review the floor amendments before they were introduced so they were
not aware of the proposals. She stated that it will probably go to full Council to be
introduced after the next committee meeting.
Commissioner Souza questioned when the committees meet.
Ms. Sadora stated that committee meetings are every other Wednesday and the next
committee meeting would be on March 21.
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Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that Council members were concerned with private
owners with regards to conservation easements. He stated that if owner A has a house
and is entitled to two more houses on his property, but owner B who is adjacent wants
to purchase rights to a certain area on owner A's land to restrict density for open space
or some kind of habitat, they could go to the County and create a sense of preservation
where it also benefits the owner to jointly purchase a conservation easement. He stated
that a lot of times with conservation easements, there is no public access onto the
property, but it falls under natural resources preservation. He stated that the Council
would like to restrict it to other government entities, or non-profit organizations. He
stated that the preservation would have to be in perpetuity, so it would need to run with
the land for the life of the land.
Ms. Sadora stated that it was deferred to be able to research that there are private land
owners and the committee will redo the floor amendment.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that the questions are being forwarded to the
Attorney's office. He stated that the theory is they can always add it later, but test out
the use of conservation easement s on other government entities or non-profits. He
stated that the land owner is the grantor and the holder of the easement is the grantee
and there has to be a negotiation of terms as to what uses and developments are
restricted and what benefits will the holder or grantee gain. He stated that it is all about
natural resources preservation. He stated that ultimately whatever the body
recommends, the Council still has to choose.
Commissioner Souza noted that a conservation easement doesn't necessarily have to
involve public access.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that is what Council will have to balance. He
stated that Council member Rapozo stated that he would be voting for public access
and fee simple properties or grants of easement to the beach versus preserving one
larger area up in the mountains for an area that should be preserved in perpetuity to
avoid development.
Commissioner Souza stated that the examples being provided as illustrations today by
Deputy County Attorney Jung were not discussed at the Council. She stated that the
Council is still talking about the same purposes of the fund which include natural
resource conservation or cultural preservation which may or may not involve public
access. She stated that her take is that the more tools they have the more partnerships
could happen. She stated that if someone from the public sector wants to pay staff to
manage a conservation easement then that would be great. She stated that
performance is the key, whether private, non-profit or government. She said it doesn't
make much difference to her as long as it is preserved in perpetuity and there is
performance. She stated that she appreciates Councilwoman Nakamura's request for
more information and follow-up.
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Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that the increase to the fund from .5% to 1%
should be in a separate Bill because it would affect the budget process.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that he felt it should be decided by ballot.
Commissioner Souza stated that a ballot may not be necessary.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that it sets the floor at a minimum of .5%.
Commissioner Souza stated that the way it was worded in the Charter is a minimum of
.5%. She stated that the Council is supportive of an increase to 1%.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that he was comparing it to the situation at KIUC and the
smart meters.
Commissioner Souza stated that the Commission didn't make a formal recommendation
to increase the fund. She stated that it was mentioned to the Council because in a prior
composition of the Commission at one of the meetings, commissioners wanted to
increase the percentage to 2%, but she was a declining vote so there wasn't enough for
the motion to pass. She stated that in fairness to the other commissioners she
mentioned it and the Council was receptive to it. She stated that the Commission
deferred to the Council because they have a bigger picture of what is available.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that Council can always appropriate funds
independent of the Open Space Fund.
Commissioner Souza stated that Council member Chang strongly suggested that
commissioners view the webcast. She stated that they discussed educating staff and
commissioners to be able to take the recommendations for each project to acquisition.
She stated that money available for operations is important because some
Councilmembers felt that people should be brought in to train the Commission on
issues, and tools so they know what is out there, how things can be packaged, and to
help the staff to become more capable to carry it out. She stated that the Council did
not see the Commission providing assistance to the Planning Department such as
volunteering and doing some of the work. She stated that the Council saw the
Commission giving feedback and direction to the Planning Department, but not actually
doing the work. She asked for clarified that the Commission does not have a strong
preference on whether or not the report is done biennial or triennial.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that he Commission already voted on a biennial report.
Vice Chair Nakahara asked about Councilwoman Nakamura's explanations regarding a
triennial report.
Commissioner Souza questioned if she should state at the next committee meeting that
the Commission preferred a biennial or triennial and not every five years.
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Commissioner Lydgate questioned the staff's reflections.
Ms. Sadora stated that the Department has stated that a biennial report would act as a
gauge, but she noted that the Council may decide on the floor amendment that they
would like a triennial report.
Commissioner Souza noted that there was one year that the Commission submitted a
two year report.
Ms. Sadora noted that it was due to lack of staff report, so the reports were combined.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that she preferred a biennial report. She stated that if
the report were triennial she would expect all of the acquisition planning to be submitted
with the report so that the projects are ready to go. She noted that it would take at least
a year to do the acquisition planning on whatever priorities are chosen.
Deputy County Attorney stated that he felt a two year report is more appropriate
because every other year could be used to prepare acquisition plans. He stated that if
they go forward with the model of the dossier to get a feel from Council which they
might be interested in, they can prepare acquisition plans for one or two of the priorities.
He stated that if they submit a triennial plan, some of the Commissioners who only do
one term would only see one report. He stated that if they submit one report, and then
start working on the next report, they may see an accomplishment in their tenure. He
noted that if staff has more time they would be able to start the acquisition plan to move
on projects. He stated that the Commission has been providing the lists, but it takes
someone from Council to state which priority they want taken care of and to state which
office should move on it. He stated that the only project that was acquired was Black
Pot Park Expansion. He stated that they needed a mechanism like the dossier to
request assistance.
Commissioner Souza stated that if she heard Councilman Rapozo correctly, he stated
that he was not going to tell the Commission what the annual report should be about.
She stated that she is torn because the Commission is required to gather public input
for their report of recommendations. She stated that she doesn't know what can be
stated to the public that is different if it is every two years without an accomplishment to
report. She stated that if the Commission can come to an understanding with the
Council on who is responsible for what and when, and make the annual status reports
be substantial without needing a public input component, the triennial may work but it's
up to the staff and the Commission to make it work and not just wait until the end of the
period to rush. She stated that if the Council has a strong opinion that the report be
triennial then she would defer to them because the Commission is advisory to the
Council but there should be agreement on the process.
Vice Chair Nakahara questioned if meeting less than twice a month was discussed at
Council.
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Commissioner Souza stated that Council mentioned that the Commission spends six
months designing public input sessions and prioritizing, not including editing the final
report. She stated that if the Commission doesn't have to go out to the public as often,
staff could be working on putting packaging together and implementation rather than
preparing for meetings.
Commissioner Dela Cruz noted that prior once a month meetings used to be all day.
Vice Chair Nakahara asked Commissioner Lydgate how often the Historic Preservation
Review Commission met.
Commissioner Lydgate stated that they used to meet from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. and
some sessions went until 6:00 p.m.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that when the Commission was first started, they met
twice a month, all day and their meetings were on Wednesdays. She stated that after
the first year, they only met on Thursday afternoons.
Commissioner Lydgate stated that the Historic Preservation Review Commission tried
to limit their discussions to the salient facts.
Commissioner Souza stated that if the Commission and staff have new responsibilities,
there could be more committee work, so things can still happen, but they have to be
self-motivated.
Commissioner Lydgate stated that to get up to speed, newer Commissioners need to
know what is happening in the background.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that if the report is biennial or triennial and the
meetings are reduced, she didn't feel that they would be accomplishing much.
Commissioner Souza stated that substantial education sessions need to be videotaped
so newer commissioners can borrow and learn. She stated that education sessions
should be open to the public so they can build capacity within the community and the
public can also learn from the sessions.
Review and discussion on the Rules of Practice and Procedure of the County of
Kauai, Public Access, Open Space & Natural Resources Preservation Fund
Commission and policy on communications.
MOTION:
It was moved by Jean Souza and seconded by Linda Dela Cruz to defer this
agenda item.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
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Vice Chair Nakahara requested keeping this item on the agenda for the next meeting.
Update and discussion of the Commission's work plan/timeline of events and
activities through 2012, to include future Commission education topics.
Commissioner Kinnaman noted that the Commission came up with a list at the last
meeting.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that based on the 2011 report the Commission decided that
they should take a field trip to visit the recommended sites.
Commissioner Souza noted that four of the Commissioners haven't seen the sites.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that he hasn't been to Piwai but he has visited the
Kaneiolouma complex. He stated that they had hoped that more Commissioners would
be in attendance so they could set up some dates for staff to try to arrange.
Commissioner Kinnaman noted that the field trip is listed as an agenda item under new
business for discussion.
Commissioner Souza stated that it is a critical time to make sure that the Commission is
going to meet and discuss what is happening at the Council. She questioned if the field
trips could be planed two months from now.
Vice Chair Nakahara suggested delaying the field trip until the passage of Ordinance
812.
Commissioner Souza stated that there may be a possibility of working on the
unresolved issues list and some other problem areas that need to be researched so
there may be more than just the recommended sites.
Commissioner Dela Cruz stated that they need to consider that Commissioner
Kinnaman's and Commissioner Souza's terms will expire in May.
Commissioner Souza noted that she has declined the 90 day holdover.
Commissioner Kinnaman questioned if the holdover could be 30 days.
Commissioner Souza noted that the holdover could be 30 days up to 90 days.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that the Commission education can also be discussed after
the passage of Ordinance 812. He stated that the Commission was looking at speakers
regarding shoreline access enforcement, etc.
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Commissioner Souza stated that the sessions could include assembling packages,
realty specialists, conservation easements, land trust, etc. She stated that the
Commissioners will be inspired to think of more when they watch the Council Planning
Committee meeting.
Commissioner Kinnaman questioned if the Ordinance is being referred to the full
Council.
Ms. Sadora stated that it was deferred pending more information on conservation
easements.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that if Ordinance 812 passes they may not have to do a
public input process this year.
Commissioner Souza stated that it is highly likely that it will be a biennial or triennial
report. She stated that there needs to be clear documentation on what happened in
past years because there may be a different composition of Commissioners in three
years.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that Commissioners Kinnaman and Souza will be willing to
return as guest speakers for historical perspectives.
Commissioner Lydgate stated that continuity is essential.
Commissioner Souza stated that she and Commissioner Kinnaman discussed an
agenda item to discuss past actions and recommendations of the Council, what the
Commission may want to think about for the future, as well as things to keep on the
radar.
Vice Chair Nakahara suggested that Commissioners Souza and Kinnaman present
sometime in April.
Commissioner Souza stated that she may be off island on April 26.
Commissioner Kinnaman suggested waiting for the new commissioners to be
appointed.
Vice Chair Nakahara agreed that might be better. He noted that technically,
Commissioners Souza and Kinnaman have only 3 more meetings.
Commissioner Kinnaman noted that the Mayor will also need to fill Commissioner
Childs' vacancy.
Ms. Sadora noted that Commissioner Childs has not officially resigned.
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Commissioner Souza offered to be on the agenda for April 12. She stated that they will
try to provide handouts.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that hopefully they will have an inclination of a 9th
Commissioner by then. He summarized that the Commission has decided to hold off on
the field trip and Commission education until the passage of Ordinance 812.
Review and discussion on draft dossier for Council's consideration on
recommended sites for acquisition.
• Access to Kukuiula Bay through former Hoban property (previously listed as
Former Hoban property.)
Commissioner Souza stated that a final draft has been submitted to the Council and
suggested that the wording on future agendas be changed.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that this particular item doesn't need to be
discussed. He stated that the more important item would be New Business Item C. He
stated that they will discuss all matters pertinent to this property under that agenda item.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that this item should be removed from the next agenda.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that it will probably fall under status of acquisition
plan regarding access to Kukuiula Bay.
NEW BUSINESS
Discussion of itinerary for upcoming field trip to sites recommended in the
Commission's 2011 Report to the Kauai County Council and the Mayor including
logistics and discussion of issues relevant to sites on the trip itinerary. (Public
input may be offered at this time.)
Commissioner Kinnaman questioned if staff did any planning for the field trip.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that staff would arrange the dates and
transportation and he would work on notices to meet Sunshine Law requirements.
Commissioner Lydgate questioned if the site visits would be open to the public.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that they would document where the Commission
would be going but they would not be able to engage the public until they reconvene the
meeting.
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Commissioner Souza stated that the Commission has strict protocols so that they are in
compliance with Sunshine Law.
Commissioner Lydgate agreed that protocol has to be observed.
Update and discussion of the 2012 public input process pursuant to Ordinance
No. 812 for development of an annual list of priority projects to be reported to the
Kauai County Council and the Mayor.
It was moved by Jean Souza and seconded by Linda Dela Cruz to defer
agenda items VII A and VII B.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
Commissioner Kinnaman questioned if these items will be listed as old business or new
business when they are posted on future agendas.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that they will probably be listed as old business
since they are being deferred.
Request from Planning Department to prepare an acquisition plan for a portion of
TMK (4) 2-6-003:017 to obtain a pedestrian public beach access easement.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that this agenda item is a formal request from the
Planning Department to move forward on an acquisition plan that identifies the current
owner, utilizes the 2012 assessment, compares the price range with the 2006
assessment, engages with an independent consultant for an appraisal, and then begins
negotiations with the land owner. He stated that if the land owner is unwilling then they
can move forward with condemnation resolution.
Commissioner Lydgate questioned the size of the easement.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that the easement is 1 ,517 square feet.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that they would only be going after a portion so
they can acquire a 10' pedestrian public access easement.
Commissioner Souza clarified that it would be over an existing County drainage
easement.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that he would need to see what the terms are.
Commissioner Kinnaman stated that it is an underground, circular, concrete drainage
easement.
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Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that the request is for the Commission to allow
staff to prepare an acquisition plan which would be a formal submittal. He stated that
he would guess that it would be a 10-15 page report after some preliminary legwork. He
stated that they didn't have to prepare an acquisition plan for Black Pot because they
wheels were already spun by the Kauai Public Land Trust. He stated that if they
develop a good model, they can use it for the next properties they look at.
Commissioner Souza requested that it be well documented to the Commission so that it
can be used as a template. She suggested that the agenda item be specified as access
to Kukuiula Bay. She stated that the Commission has been pushing since the
beginning and encouraged staff to keep the momentum going.
Commissioner Kinnaman questioned if there would also be an in-house appraisal.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that the last appraisal was in-house but stated that
if the land owner is not willing to convey, they would have to do independent land
appraisals anyway. He stated that it may be more credible for an independent
appraiser. He stated that they would need to abide by procurement laws so it may be a
month before they get an appraiser on board, but then it shouldn't take too long to
appraise because it's a simple property.
Commissioner Souza stated that the other advantage would be that they would utilize
the money that the Council Chair says is available.
Commissioner Kinnaman questioned the time frame for the whole process.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that it could take a while to finalize through
Purchasing. He stated that it is hard to gauge when working with other agencies, but he
estimated about a month following the appraisal. He suggested an agenda item for a
status update on the acquisition plan.
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that it shows something in motion and would be a good
template. He stated that it is at least something positive that is happening.
Commissioner Lydgate mentioned that the S.M.A.R.T. approach involves something
that is specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, and time bound.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that it would be a good model to incorporate into
the plan.
Commissioner Souza questioned if there was anything before the Council.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that they were before the Council two weeks ago
and the Council was receptive to the idea of pursuing the access.
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Ms. Sadora stated that they sent the packet to Council that was prepared in 2006 with
photos, the appraisal, and the resolution that was sent previously.
Commissioner Souza requested that the Commission receive the entire packet.
MOTION:
It was moved by Tessie Kinnaman and seconded by Linda Dela Cruz to
approve the request from the Planning Department to prepare the
acquisition plan for TMK (4) 2-6-003-017 to obtain a pedestrian public beach
access easement.
All were in favor by unanimous roll call vote — motion passed.
Commissioner Souza questioned the status of the annual report.
Ms. Sadora stated the Planning Director requested that the Commission elaborate on
the section on the Ordinance amendment.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that technically the Commission approves the
report but the Director submits it to the Council.
Commissioner Souza stated that the Director's comments were untimely.
Deputy County Attorney Jung suggested including the purpose section of the proposed
amendments as the elaboration in the report.
Commissioner Souza stated that the Commission already approved the report and now
the Director is requesting a change. She stated that the Commission would have to
take action but it's not even on the agenda.
Deputy County Attorney Jung stated that the Director can add comments because it is
ultimately his submittal to Council. He stated that the Commission could amend the
agenda by 2/3 vote to discuss and take action on it. He stated that because the
Director is not here to discuss his intentions, he suggested adding the purpose section
of the proposed Bill as a mutual compromise.
MOTION:
It was moved by Jean Souza and seconded by Tessie Kinnaman to amend
the meeting agenda to include the final review of the final 2011 Report to
the County Council and the Administration.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
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MOTION:
It was moved by Tessie Kinnaman and seconded by Linda Dela Cruz to
send the Planning Director's comments to Commissioner Souza and to
delegate the authority to Commissioner Souza to review and submit the
final wording on behalf of the Commission.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
Ms. Sadora stated that she will email the report to Commissioner Souza.
Commissioner Souza stated that she will work on the report tomorrow.
NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION
Vice Chair Nakahara stated that the next meeting will be on March 22.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION:
It was moved by Linda Dela Cruz and seconded by John Lydgate to adjourn
the meeting.
All were in favor by unanimous voice vote — motion passed.
Meeting Adjourned at 4:06 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by:
Duke Nakamatsu, Support Clerk
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