HomeMy WebLinkAboutpc 11-12-13 minutes KAUAI PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
November 12,2013
The regular meeting of the Planning Commission of the County of Kauai was called to
order by Vice Chair Kimura at 9:32 a.m.,at the Lihu`e Civic Center,Mo`ikeha Building, in
meeting room 2A-2B. The following Commissioners were present:
Mr. Jan Kimura
Mr, Hartwell Blake
Ms.Amy Mendonca
Mr. John Isobe
Ms. Angela Anderson
Mr.Herman Texeira
Absent and Excused:
Mr. Wayne Katayama
The following staff members were present: Planning Department—Michael Dahilig,
Ka`aina Hull, Leslie Takasaki; Office of Boards and Commissions—Cherisse Zaima;Deputy
County Attorney Ian Jung
Discussion of the meeting,in effect, ensued:
CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chair Kimura called the meeting to order at 9:32 a.m.
ROLL CALL
Planning Director Michael Dahilig noted that there were six Commissioners present.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
Mr.Dahilig requested the following amendments to the agenda:
• Executive session to be taken during the latter half of the agenda as there will be a
swap of counsel at 10:30
• Updates from the Director,and long-range planners to be presented at the end of the
agenda
• Reports of the Subdivision Committee to be taken immediately following public
hearing and comment
On the motion by Herman Texeira and seconded by Angela Anderson to approve
the agenda as amended,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
MINUTES of the meeting(s) of the Planning Commission
Regular Meeting of October 8,2013
The Commission received testimony from Rayne Regush.
Ms.Regush stated as of Friday,when attempting to access the minutes at the Planning
counter,the minutes were not available; she was told that they were still being transcribed. She
feels that it needs to be addressed that they were not available for the public prior to this meeting.
She stated that she returned to the Planning counter this morning,and the minutes were there;
however,when she asked for a copy, she was given a Request to Access a Government Record
form,which states she would be notified by mail within several weeks. She stated she is unsure
that the Planning Department staff understands transparency, and the ability for the public to
review documents, especially prior to the day of the Planning Commission meeting. She noted
that on October 8, there was significant opposition to the Long's project,much testimony was
given,and she feels it is clear that members of the public wanted to review the minutes. She
pointed out that public transparency is something the Mayor has been working toward
improving, and this procedure seems like an obstacle to that. She questioned whether the
Commission would be approving the minutes today,what are the options or parameters for
public input to correct minutes as they may need be.
Mr, Dahilig addressed Ms.Regush's concerns, stating he takes full responsibility for
minutes not being available at the counter. He explained that the minutes were in fact available,
they are included in the agenda packet,and were available on Thursday; e-packets were
transmitted to the Commissioners at that time. He acknowledges that Ms.Regush may have
received misinformation at the counter,stating if that is the case,he apologizes and takes
responsibility for it. Mr.Dahilig further explained that the procedures at the Planning counter
are due to a recent OIP(Office of Information Practices)request by the Honolulu Civil Beat for
OIP form 4,which is a response form to OIP form l:Request to Access a Government Record.
The Department was not customarily using this form because it impedes the ability to expedite
these requests;however,given the official request from Honolulu Civil Beat for those forms,
they are in a position of now having to keep records of every single request that comes to the
counter; this was prompted by a County-wide media inquiry,includes all County Departments,
and is a result of public scrutiny.
Mr. Blake asked to clarify that the minutes included in the agenda packet were available
to the public at the time the Commissioners received their packets to which Mr. Dahilig replied
correct,but there may have been misinformation at the Planning counter,which Mr.Dahilig
again apologized for,and accepted full responsibility.
Mr. Blake asked in a case such as this where a member of the public is asking for
minutes, which have always been available at least five days before the meeting,can they fill out
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a Form 1 and receive the minutes right then. Mr.Dahilig noted that the full agenda packet is
available at the counter as a courtesy, so that the OIP form does not need to be filled out;
however,any time a copy is requested over the counter,a Form I is required to be filled out. It
is administratively cumbersome,but it addresses the concerns of the media request on how these
County resources are being managed;these include waiver requirements,time requirements, and
a number of monetary requirements. Mr.Dahilig noted that this is an interim measure until there
is more guidance from the Mayor's office who is currently working on a County-wide policy.
The Department is taking a very conservative approach to ensure that should those documents be
again requested from Honolulu Civil Beat, they are readily available.
Ms.Anderson noted that the Commissioners receive their packets in electronic form, and
there is a website where the agenda is posted. She asked that if rather than having the hard copy
available at the office, can the electronic packet be posted for the public,which will alleviate the
issue of cost,and the need for a formal request for information., Mr.Dahilig replied that is the
eventual goal of the Department,but they are still working out kinks in how the PDF document
is put together.
Mr.Blake asked if a hard copy of the minutes could be put in a binder and made
available at the counter as soon as they are ready to which Mr.Dahilig replied the minutes were
available,but it is not uncommon for the public documents there to be taken out of the office.
Ms.Regush stated that on Friday two staff people told her that the minutes were still
being transcribed,and that they could not see them until the Commission accepts them. The
request form was then given to her; it would take weeks for the minutes to get to her. Ms.
Regush agrees with the idea of electronic submission to the website,noting that many people
have been advocating for that for a number of years. She commented on what the County
Council does with their minutes,stating that if they can do it, she is sure the IT staff can assist
Planning as well.
Mr.Kimura asked what time she made the request for the minutes to which Ms. Regush
replied before 4:00 p.m., at which time the counter was no longer accepting requests.
Mr. Dahilig stated he would need to identify which staff member gave her the
information to obtain an understanding of the situation,and reiterated that the minutes were
available as of Thursday,prior to when Ms.Regush made her request. Mr.Dahilig will follow
up with his staff to determine where the miscommunication may have been.
Ms.Regush asked when and how does opportunity for public comment on the minutes
take place to which Mr. Jung replied if an OIP request is submitted, the Planning Department
staff will stamp DRAFT on the minutes as it has not yet been approved, and if there are any
clarification points a member of the public would like to include,it can be brought up at the
Planning Commission meeting prior to approval of the minutes. Mr.Jung noted these
procedures are all outlined in the OIP rules. Ms.Regush noted that the minutes will come to her
within several weeks of filling out the OIP form, which does not allow time for public input. She
further stated that the minutes are on the agenda today for approval,which in her opinion,will be
done in a vacuum without the opportunity for the public to review it. Mr.Jung stated the
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Planning Commission meeting can be accessed via webstream, further explaining that the actual
minutes do not have to be verbatim,and do not have to be transcribed minutes under OIP law.
However,there is the privilege of seeing what actually goes on in this meeting via webstream
video on the County website. Ms.Regush stated the public's concern was to assure that the
written minutes aligned with the proceedings being viewed on the webcast. Mr. Jung stated the
meeting can be viewed two or three days after the meeting to which Ms.Regush replied that she
is referring to the written minutes, and stated that if the Commission is approving them without
public review,there is a disconnect in transparency,and the public input process.
Mr. Blake commented that three or four years ago,it used to take a long time to get the
minutes,but since the Boards and Commissions office has been active and has provided the
Planning Commission with a dedicated secretary,the minutes get out quickly. He reiterated that
the minutes do not have to be verbatim as long as they accurately convey what was being
discussed. Ms. Regush stated that accuracy is what the public is looking for as well as the
opportunity to review.
Ms. Regush asked that when she does get to see the minutes,when is her opportunity to
come back to the Commission if she finds any discrepancies she would like to address; how is
that handled. Mr.Dahilig restated the Department's procedures,noting that a copy of the
minutes are at the Planning counter;he is unclear why a particular set of minutes were absent
from the hard copy as the electronic packets contained a copy. That is how the draft minutes are
available. Ms. Regush stated for clarification that she cannot,however, obtain a copy;it would
take 7 weeks to get it to which Mr. Kimura stated that as it stands now,those are the rules.
Mr. Dahilig suggested that the item be deferred as there is public concern on the matter.
On the motion by John Isobe and seconded by Hartwell Blake to defer the minutes
to the December 10,2013 meeting,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
RECEIPT OF ITEMS FOR THE RECORD
On the motion by Herman Texeira and seconded by John Isobe to receive the items
for the record,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENT
Mr. Dahilig noted that Rayne Regush is signed up for public testimony,but there is no
indication of the specific agenda item. Mr.Kimura asked what agenda item she wishes to testify
on.
Ms.Regush stated she would like to speak on Item J. Communications, and Item H.2.
Executive session pertaining to the evaluation of the Planning Director's work performance.
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Mr. Kimura pointed out that under Item J. Communication,there is none. Mr. Dahilig
asked to clarify that Ms. Regush would like to testify under Item F.5. All Public Testimony
Pursuant to HRS 92,noting that there is no general agenda item F as she noted on the sign-in
sheet.
Ms. Regush stated she had actually wanted to testify about Item J. Communication
because she noted there was a communication that was not posted under that agenda item,which
was a request for reconsideration regarding the Long's store SMA and Class IV zoning permits.
She stated there were two letters of reconsideration that would have appeared on the agenda in
the past.
Mr.Kimura replied that the Commissioners did receive requests for consideration via
mail;however, one of the Commissioners would have had to contact the Department prior to the
posting of the agenda. Since no one did so,that item was not included on the agenda. Ms.
Regush stated for clarification that in the past,requests for consideration were brought before the
full Commission to decide publicly how to address it. Mr.Kimura stated he is aware of that,but
he has no power to authorize it,further noting that it is not on the agenda. He reiterated that any
one of the Commissioners could have informed the Department that they would like to
reconsider the application;however,no one has done so. Ms.Regush asked to see in the Rules
how that procedure has changed from past policies of allowing the Commission to learn about
why reconsideration is being asked,and having it done publicly as opposed to behind the scenes
where it seems to be a deterrent to public transparency.
Mr. Dahilig pointed out that Ms.Regush has signed up to testify on Item F.5 which is
sunshine law testimony, noting that there are other items under Item F. that need to be addressed
fast; there is an order to the agenda.
Continued Agency Hearing(NONE)
New Agency Hearing
Special Management Area Use Permit SMA(U)-2014-3,to allow after-the-fact
improvements involving a parcel located at the Kealoha Road/Makaba Road intersection in
KVaa,along the makai side of Kuhio Ili_ hg_way,that includes the conversion of a garage into an
additional dwelling unit and additions to the existing residence, further identified as Tax Map
Key 4-5-001: 018,and containing a total land area of7,305 sq.ft. =Lorraine Dl Newman.
Mr. Dahilig noted that the Department is in receipt of a letter from Loma Nishimitsu
stating she is being retained on the matter. Sheds asking that public hearing be kept open to
allow further testimony as well as to combine an additional application.
On the motion by Hartwell Blake and seconded by Herman Texeira to receive the
item for the record,which includes a waiver of time for action,the motion carried by
unanimous voice vote.
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Continued Public Hearing(NONE)
New Public Hearing
Zoning Amendment ZA-2014-1: Amendment(Draft Bill No. 2498)to Chapter 8.6 of the
Kauai County Code(1987), as amended, relating to bus stops for commercial development=
%aua'i County CounciG
Mr, Dahilig recommended that Public Hearing remain open for receipt of further
comment as this bill relates to and can be discussed under the upcoming Item 4.b.
Zoning Amendment ZA-2014-2: Amendment to Chapter 8.6 of the Kauai County Code
(1987), as amended,relating to building design requirements and reduced parking standards for
commercial development=County of%aua 7,Planninr Department
Mr.Dahilig requested that Public Hearing for this item remain open as they are still
soliciting feedback from other stakeholders as well as the public,and are not asking for action at
this time.
The Commission received testimony from Carl Imparato.
Mr.Imparato stated that there was virtually no time to read and study the proposed
zoning amendment as it was not available to the public in time to do so. In reference to the
building setback requirements,he commented that the zoning amendment would create a new
rule that the distance of a building from the right-of-way line can be no more than ten feet. In
other words, all new commercial buildings will abut the sidewalk. He feels this will be
detrimental to maintaining the character of rural areas such as Hanalei where openness and
setbacks are the hallmarks of the community's rural character, and feels that requirement needs
to be deleted.
In reference to the parking requirements,Mr. Imparato noted the zoning amendment
would eliminate the minimum off-street parking requirements for customers of retail and office
uses,which are based on the square footage of the space. He strongly disagrees with reducing
those parking requirements, especially for rural communities like Hanalei, further stating that he
feels the current parking requirements in Hanalei should be increased. Due to the current
shortage of commercial parking spaces, some businesses direct their patrons to park in the
County Park; approval of new commercial buildings in Hanalei would worsen the parking
problems. Mr.Imparato stated that while the zoning amendment and CZO allow the Planning
Director to increase parking requirements for unusual conditions,he feels it is wrong to rely on
the Director re-imposing parking requirements as it puts the communities and the applicants at
the mercy of the biases of the Director. He feels it would be better for a developer and the
Department to come to the Planning Commission to make the case for reduced parking
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requirements than to have the community have to come to the Commission and try to express
their desire for increased parking requirements; the new zoning amendments put the community
at a disadvantage.
Mr. Imparato stated the new zoning amendment will eliminate the requirements that all
parking lots be screened from public roads,and the setback between the parking area and the
right-of-way be planted rather than paved. He feels that is a big step backward;and he does not
see the rationale in removing those requirements; it serves well to mitigate visual impacts.
Referencing earlier public testimony,Mr.Imparato commented that some of the rules are
very hostile and burdensome to public testimony,noting the following:
• There was no notice of the public hearing posted on the website
• The notice of public hearing for today did not include the public hearing on these
zoning amendments, therefore,he did not find out until Thursday when the agenda
came out
• The zoning amendments are not available on the website,which requires those on the
North Shore, or West side to come to Lihu`e to find out,which he feels is inexcusable
in 2013
• The Planning Commission's rules state that when an agenda item is taken up by the
Commission,that is when it is relevant to speak,but the rules also state that one may
not be able to speak at that time because accepting testimony at that time is at the
discretion of the Chair; some Chairs are welcoming to public testimony,others are
hostile to public testimony. He feels it is wrong to say the right the public has under
the Sunshine Act to speak during an agenda item is now a privilege at the discretion
of the Chair
Mr. Imparato asked that the Commission to consider these obstacles, and try to find a
way to remedy them in the future.
Mr.Dahilig asked if Mr.Imparato had a copy of the amended rules,which state that the
rule on public testimony that was cited in reference to the discretion of the Chair has been
changed;now the public has the opportunity to speak either in the beginning, or at the agenda
item. Mr.Imparato replied that on Page 1 of the current agenda, it states"testimony may also be
accepted when the agenda item is taken up by the Commission at the discretion of the Chair".
Mr.Kimura noted that the Commission normally accepts all testimony, and has never
experienced anyone being denied during the agenda item. Mr. Imparato stated it happened to
him last year to which Mr. Dahilig replied after that the Department made a change to the rules.
Mr.Dahilig further stated that the nomenclature could be changed if it would clarify things. Mr.
Kimura clarified that the changes would be made to the agenda.
Adogtion of administrative rules interpreting provisions of Chapter 8, Kauai County
Code pertaining to the enforcement of Chanter 8,Article 17(Single Family Transient Vacation
Rentals)= County of%aua%Plannine Department
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Mr.Dahilig stated the Department is comfortable with the rules,but would recommend
that the Public Hearing be kept open to facilitate further discussion with the public.
The Commission received testimony from Caren Diamond,
Ms.Diamond stated she is speaking on behalf of Protect Our Neighborhood`Ghana, and
herself as well. She thanked the Commission for putting out the draft version of the rules, and
requested the public hearing be kept open as she only received a copy of it this morning and has
not had time to review them. She feels the rules need more work,and stated it may be too little,
too late. The North Shore is the area most impacted, and distributed copies of written testimony,
along with a map that marks all the TVRs that were approved without the required
documentation to prove non-conforming use to begin with. The biggest issue of concern is the
large numbers that did not provide the documentation to establish this use. Ms. Diamond stated
the North Shore is the wrong place for a resort, offering no evacuation routes. She also noted
that in January 2009,the Planning Commission was tasked by Ordinance 876 to enact rules for
these vacation rentals, and that never happened. She asked that they take responsibility in part
for why the problems exist today,and that they help craft rules and laws to protect their
neighborhoods.
Adoption of administrative rules intemreting provisions of Chapter 8.Kauai County
Code pertaining to the enforcement of accessory agricultural structures for commercial sale of
farm products=County of%aua%Plannine Department.
All public testimony pursuant to HRS 92
The Commission received testimony from Rayne Regush.
Ms.Regush stated that she would like the Commission to consider the ways the public is
at a disadvantage, and asked to learn which rules are in place that would enable the public to ask
the Commission to assess whether there have been procedural errors made.
Mr.Kimura asked to clarify which agenda item was being addressed to which Ms.
Regush replied Executive Session Item H.2 pertaining to the evaluation of the Planning
Director's work performance. She provided some examples of where she feels there may have
been procedural errors, such as letters requesting reconsideration based on certain facts.
Mr.Kimura asked what that had to do with the Planning Commission's work
performance goals and objectives for the Planning Director. Ms. Regush replied that the session
pertains to "the Planning Director's work performance", and stated for example when an agency
hearing was held at the last Commission meeting for the Long's project SMA permit, it actually
required a public hearing,and not an agency hearing;that is perhaps an error that the Planning
Commission needs to assess whether that is procedurally correct or not. She further noted that
an agency hearing is only appropriate when there is a contested case, and explained that with the
Long's project,the individual who had petitioned to intervene had withdrawn long before the
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agenda was posted. It should have been held as a public hearing where the applicant presents the
Long's project, and informs everyone on what is being presented, followed by public testimony;
the reverse was true in this case as it was set up as an agency hearing,not a public hearing. That
is a procedural error she wants to present to the Commission, and it is challenging to know how
to do that. Ms.Regush also noted that a written request for reconsideration had been submitted,
but had not been placed on the agenda.
Mr. Jung stated that this issue has been brought up before,and he would implore the
Commissioners as well as the public to read the Rules of Practice and Procedure of the Planning
Commission to which Ms. Regush stated she did_. Mr. Jung explained that Chapter 1 defines two
types of hearings:
1. Agency Hearing—which refers to hearings held by the Commission immediately
prior to judicial review of a contested case provided in Section 91-14, including but
not limited to Class IV use and variance permits pursuant to the CZO.
2. Public Hearing—which is a quasi-legislative hearing regarding the adoption,repeal,
or amendment of the rules and ordinances as a means to solicit general input on
matters before the Commission.
Mr. Jung summarized that Agency Hearing deals with the Commission acting in their
quasi-judicial form,and Public Hearing is where the Commission acts in their quasi-legislative
form such as bills and rules;that is set forth in the rules.
Ms. Regush stated she had a copy of the rules,and had read them in advance,noting that
it refers to contested case hearings. Mr.Jung explained that anything that deals with the rights,
duties,and privileges of an applicant is potentially a contested case. Ms.Regush interjected that
a contested case must occur seven days prior to the meeting.
Mr. Dahilig added that much of what is framed as rights of the public to come into a
quasi-judicial setting is also set forth in Hawaii case law such as Hui Kakoo Aina Hoo Pulapula
vs. State of Hawaii which set forth the Supreme Court definition that a contested case hearing
starts when an agency hearing is opened. It doesn't necessarily mean it in a hearings officer
format,but that the rights of the public flow from the opening of an agency hearing. The Rules
of Practice and Procedure are laid out to abide by that case law. He explained that based on a
public notice that is printed in the newspaper,a member of the public has up to seven days prior
to an action by the Commission to pay a fee,and intervene. In this case,there were no
intervention requests; one was withdrawn.
Ms. Regush noted that she did see it published as a public hearing; however,on the
agenda it was posted as an agency hearing; a discrepancy she would like the Commission to
address.
Mr.Dahilig distributed, for the Commission's review, a copy of the meeting packet that
was out at the Planning Department counter,noting the copy of the minutes are included. Ms.
Regush asked if that had been available on Friday to which Mr. Dahilig replied yes; this packet
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was placed on the counter on Thursday. He again apologized for any miscommunication,but the
public document,with the minutes included,was available.
Ms. Regush returned to her previous concern on agency and public hearing, stating she
felt it very inappropriate to have the public give testimony before the agency's representatives
laid out the Long's project, and would like to see in the rules where it is required that the public
must testify before they hear from the agency representative about the project.
Mr. Jung stated this is not a current agenda item,but suggested that it could be placed on
a future agenda to discuss how the rules interplay, and to help educate the public on the changes
to the rules as there still seems to be some misunderstanding. Mr. Kimura stated if the
Commission wishes to put that on the agenda that's fine, but he feels the public should take it
upon themselves to read the rules. Ms.Regush stated that she reads the rules before she comes
to testify; she comes prepared. Mr. Kimura reiterated that it is up to the Commission if they
would like to include discussion of the rules on the next agenda;however,he feels if the public
desires knowledge of the rules, they should research it.
Ms.Regush commented that during the hearing on the Long's project, it was stated twice
that the project would be coming back. Mr.Kimura stated that the Long's project was not on the
agenda to be discussed to which Ms. Regush replied she is addressing the rules that enable the
public to ask the Commission to assess whether there are procedural errors such as in this case
when the public heard that an item was coming back on the agenda on the 22nd,but then no
meeting was held on the 22nd
Ms.Regush referenced the CZO table of uses that appears to have been applied
incorrectly to the Long's store,which was classified as a retail food and drug store;however,
based on the square footage of the large retail space,it is a commercial store. Mr.Kimura
interjected to ask what that has to do with the performance of the Director to which Ms.Regush
replied it is related to how the Director has interpreted the CZO table of uses, Section 8-2.4 as it
appears it may have been applied incorrectly. She would like the Commissioners to assess how
those uses were applied because"retail store"appears under commercial use,under residential,
but not under the resort district; it seems what was approved is a deviation from that, Ms.
Regush further noted that the CZO serves a very large resident population; the resort experience
is really meant to be separate from commercial or retail, and Long's does not meet the criteria.
Mr. Kimura attempted to end public testimony. Ms.Regush interrupted Mr. Kimura to
ask if she could pose a procedural question to which Mr. Kimura replied no,noting that Ms.
Regush had been speaking for an extended period of time. Mr.Kimura ended public testimony.
Ms. Anderson requested that an agenda item be added relating to clarification of the
rules, and how the agenda plays out. In addition, some clarification on any changes regarding
posting communications relating to requests for reconsideration, and how the rules apply to this
should be discussed.
Mr. Dahilig noted that an item will be placed on the agenda relative to how the
Commission rules interplay with the Sunshine Law,and how requests for reconsideration should
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be handled as well as general correspondence. Mr.Kimura asked for the rule changes to be
added.
Mr.Isobe questioned whether this matter should be handled via workshop format as
opposed to a meeting format,the reason being,there are issues that will take a lot of discussion
and clarity; to fold it into a regular Commission meeting would be burdensome. He suggested
they schedule a separate day, and call it a workshop or training session where they are better able
to deal with the issues formally as a body, and inviting the public to attend. Should they feel
amendments to the rules necessary,those can be brought to the full Commission at a formal
meeting.
Mr. Kimura asked if they would be asking for public input at this workshop to which Mr.
Dahilig replied it would be required to post a public notice and offer opportunities for public
testimony.
There was discussion on possible workshop/meeting dates.
On the motion by John Isobe and seconded by Herman Texeira to review the rules
in a workshop as opposed to a formal Commission meeting,the motion carried by
unanimous voice vote.
No action was taken on Items 4.a—d.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
Subdivision-
Subdivision Committee Vice Chair Herman Texeira read the Subdivision Report into the
record.
The following tentative subdivision action was approved 2-0:
S-2014-05 Princeville Mauka Village, LLC 2-lot subdivision
The following tentative subdivision action was approved 3-0:
S-2014-06 Point One Investments,LLC Proposed 2-lot subdivision
S-2014-07 Fox Gray LLC/Dan Errico Proposed 3-lot boundary adjustment
The following subdivision extension requests were approved 3-0:
S-2006-49 Kauai Habitat for Humanity Proposed 108-lot subdivision
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S-2011-19 Halalea Investment Co.LLC/Patricia Wilcox Sheehan Proposed 4-lot
consolidation
The following modification of requirement/condition action was approved 3-0:
5-2005-49 Stefan Mandel Proposed 2-lot subdivision
The following final subdivision action was approved 3-0:
5-2013-13 James E.Nishida Jr.,ET.AL Proposed 2-lot boundary adjustment
On the motion by Hartwell Blake and seconded by Amy Mendonca to accept the
Subdivision Committee report,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Status Reports
Annual Status Report 2013 for Special Management Area Use Permit SMA(UD-2005-8.
Proiect Development Use Permit PDU-2005-26,Use Permit U-2005-25 and Class IV Zoning
Permit Z-IV-2005-30, Tax May Key(4)3-5-001: 027 (Por.), 168. 169, 171 (Por.), 172(Por.),
175 and 176=Kaua'i Laeoons LLC&Mari Golf(Kaua%LLG.
2013 Annual Status Report(9/9/13) from Michael J.Belles,Esq.,Belles Graham
Proudfoot Wilson&Chun LLP,for Special,Management Area Use Permit SMA(U)-2007-13,
Proiect Development Use Permit PDU-2007-25 and Class IV Zoning Permit Z-IV-2007-29, Tax
Map Key 2-8-16: 3 &4 and 2-8-15: 43.44 &82,Po'ipu,Kaua'i=SVO Pacific,Inc.
Director's Report(s) for Project(s)Scheduled for Agency Hearing on 12/10/13
Class IV Zoning Permit Z-IV-2014-05 and Use Permit U-2014-05 to construct a farm
dwelling with garage,Lanai, and pool on Lot 13 of the Seacliff Plantation Subdivision in
Kilauea, further identified as Tax Map Key 5-2-004: 086 and containing a total area of approx.
5.082 acres=gvle&%ate Barker.
Shoreline Setback Activity Determination
Shoreline Setback Commission ReviewSSCR-2014-09 and Shoreline Setback
Determination SSD-2014-19 for a shoreline activity determination, Tax Map Key 4-3-002:012,
Wailua Kaua'i,for acceptance by the Commission=Coconut Coast Partners.
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Shoreline Setback Commission Review SSCR-2014-13 and Shoreline Setback
Determination SSD-2014-26 for a shoreline activity determination,Tax Map Key 4-3-009: 004,
Wailua,Kaua'i, for acceptance by the Commission=Desi Luna
On the motion by Herman Texeira and seconded by Angela Anderson to approve
the consent calendar,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS
Contested Case No. 2013-77 for Protest and Anneal re Notice and Imposition of Fine re
Tax Map Key 4-5-8-008: 034,Alleged Special Management Area Notice of Violation, dated
September 30,2013,Notice of Breach of Contract&Objection to Malicious Prosecution,
Request of Hearing by Klaus H.Burmeister, Esq.
Memorandum from the Clerk of the Commission requesting delegated authority to
Procure and appoint a hearings officer on behalf of the Commission to hear the contested case.
Contested Case No.2013-78 for Protest and Appeal re Notice and Imposition of Fine re
Tax Map Key 4-5-8-008: 034,Alleged Special Management Area Notice of Violation,dated
September 30,2013,Notice of Breach of Contract&Objection to Malicious Prosecution,
Reauest of Hearing by Klaus H.Burmeister, Esq.
Memorandum from the Clerk of the Commission requesting delegated authority to
procure and appoint a hearings officer on behalf of the Commission to hear the contested case.
In response to Mr. Texeira,Mr.Dahilig explained the hearing process for this particular
case as well as for contested cases in general,
Ms. Anderson asked what the time frame would be for this contested case to which Mr.
Dahilig replied it would depend on how much evidence is brought in; it's hard to judge,but
generally in circumstances where you're dealing with a fine, it would usually only last a day.
On the motion by Herman Texeira and seconded by Amy Mendonca to accept the
request for delegated authority,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
Mr. Blake asked when the items on the consent calendar will come back before the
Commission to which Mr.Dahilig replied they won't as the approval action had just been voted
on. In response to Mr. Blake,W.Dahilig explained that items on the Consent Calendar are
generally perfunctory in nature,but if the Commission feels there is an item that requires more
fleshing out,the item can be moved to New Business for discussion.
Mr. Dahilig reminded the Commission that Items 1.3 and 4 will be taken at the end of the
agenda,
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Class IV Zoning Permit Z-IV-2013-17,Project Development Use Permit PDU2013-15,
Use Permit U-2013-14 and Special Permit SP-2013-5 to develop a research complex facilitating
research in various science practices that would include a research facility containing offices and
workshop areas, dormitory buildings, various accessory structures,and provision for off-street
parking on a parcel located along Kuawa Road,in Kilauea, approx. 850 ft. south of its
intersection with KaunlUalA Highway, further identified as Tax Map Key 5-2-013: 001,and
containing a total area of 14.6 acres= The Resonance Proiect Foundation. [Director's Report
received 7/23/13,agency hearing closed 8/13/13.7
Mr.Dahilig noted this item had been deferred at the Commission's request in order to
have the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission review and discuss the project;the
KHPRC report was circulated. Mr.Dahilig stated he would request further deferral on the matter
given the comments from KHPRC that may warrant the request of additional material.
Staff Planner Dale Cua read the Supplement#1 to the Planning Director's report into the
record. (On file)
In reference to the items that have been deleted,Mr. Texeira asked if it changes the
concept of the project to which Mr. Cua replied no,explaining that the removal of these spaces
does not change the project;however certain aspects of the project were revised. For example,
the underground lab space originally proposed has been moved to be part of the garage addition.
Ms.Mendonca asked for clarification on the type of project this is to which Mr. Cua
replied it is a research facility. In response to further questions,Mr. Cua explained the facility
will house physicists who are part of a research foundation,further noting that the applicant was
present to explain.
In response to Ms. Mendonca's question on the different zoning areas,Mr. Cua explained
the area where most of the proposed construction will be located is zoned Residential—R-4. The
lot itself is a flag shaped lot, of which the"pole"portion that connects to Kuawa Road is zoned
Agriculture. The back portion adjacent to Kilauea Stream is zoned Open.
Mr.Blake stated that the project will be a research facility, and asked to clarify that
because it is primarily located in the R-4 zoning it can be any kind of research to which Mr. Cua
replied yes,noting the applicants study physics and math,which is identified in their application.
Mr.Blake questioned why this project is not at Kauai Community College where there
are laboratories available,and asked if there are-controls in place to prevent this from becoming
a vacation spot for physicists. Mr. Cua stated that the application notes the use of the facility
will be through invitation by the applicant, similar to the National Tropical Botanical Garden,
which also has a research facility and dormitory for the study of plants.
Ms.Mendonca asked to clarify whether the property has been purchased or is on a 20-
year lease to which Mr. Cua stated the applicant indicated they have purchased the property.
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Referencing the comparison to the National Tropical Botanical Garden,Ms. Mendoca noted it is
a totally different type of research,and does not see the connection that would require putting a
facility like this in a residential area. Mr. Cua stated this is the reason for the use permit with
which the applicant must demonstrate compatibility.
Mr. Blake asked what the maximum amount of people that can be accommodated to
which Mr. Cua replied he is unsure how many people the facility is being designed for,but the
applicant can respond to that question. Mr.Blake then asked what kind of reporting will the
Commission receive to ensure the use remains compatible with the area. Mr. Cua replied that
this body will be approving what is being represented in the application, and anything outside
those parameters will wan-ant either a permit review,or an amendment to the permit.
(The meeting recessed at 11:05 a.m.)
(The meeting resumed at 11:25 a.m.)
Ms. Anderson stated she noticed a hurricane shelter in the revised plan, and asked for a
description of the shelter's architecture; can it be used for alternate purposes? Mr. Cua noted
that will be part of the applicant's presentation.
Jonathan Chun,on behalf of the applicant,explained that the underground shelter is fairly
small,roughly 25 x 40 feet, and divided into two rooms. It can only be accessed via the stairway
or elevator, and will not be open to view or to the public.
Project Manager Gregory Robison, along with Project Director Nassim Haramein, and
Land Manager Tammy Davis offered a slideshow presentation on the project. (On file)
In response to Mr.Blake's questions,Mr.Robison noted the dormitory location, and
explained that it will function as a residential dwelling,having one common bathroom and
kitchen facilities to be shared among 10 bedrooms.
Mr. Texeira commented that he thought the dormitory was proposed to be eliminated to
which Mr.Robison replied the original proposal had two dormitories,but one has been
eliminated.
Mr. Kimura questioned why everyone could not just stay in the main house rather than
having to build a dorm to which Mr.Robison replied their desire is to eventually own a dwelling
rather than having to rent a house, and though the proposed dorm construction will not be
happening for a while,their ultimate goal is to obtain ownership rights to build another home and
a dorm. Mr. Robison further noted the R-4 zoning would allow them to build 20 more houses on
the property.
Mr. Kimura asked to clarify if the 20 additional houses that could be built on the property
included the Manager's House to which Mr.Robison replied yes. Mr. Chun explained that the
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parcel is zoned R-4,with only one house currently there,but it entitles more houses to be built.
The dorm is not going to be considered a house because the CZO defines a house as a single-
unit that houses one family; this is a dormitory. Because it is a dorm, each room does not count
as a single dwelling, and is allowed with a use permit.
Mr.Kimura asked to clarify that anyone with an R-4 zoning can construct as many dorms
as they want to which Mr. Chun reiterated that it is allowed under the CZO with a use permit,
which is what the applicant is requesting. A use permit questions whether or not the building of
a dormitory is consistent with the character of the neighborhood,which the applicant feels it is.
Mr. Kimura asked for explanation on how the applicant concludes that a dorm is
consistent with the neighborhood. Mr.Dahilig noted that is the question being brought before
the Commission.
Mr. Kimura stated it sounds to him like the applicant is proposing to build 20 homes on
the property if they cannot build this research center. Mr. Chun replied that was never stated,
and he does not believe it is the position of the applicant; the 20 homes were used as an example
to clarify the R-4 zoning. The applicant feels it is less of an impact to build one dorm with one
kitchen,housing 8 people,as opposed to 20 homes. Another developer could come in and do
just that,which is why they feel this minimal impact is compatible with the neighborhood.
Mr.Robison addressed Ms.Anderson's earlier question in reference to the underground
research and shelter facility, explaining its alternate use as a potential FEMA hurricane shelter,
and how they are working on meeting Federal criteria. Another additional use would be for
research and experiments that require a quiet environment as well as an environment free of rays
from power lines,radio and television,all of which could affect sensitive electronic experiments.
Ms. Mendonca asked how the underground hurricane shelter is accessed;will they be
tearing through the existing building. Mr. Robison replied no,they will be building outside the
footprint of the existing building as an add-on. Ms. Mendonca noted that it was stated to be
underneath the existing building. Mr. Robison pointed out on the drawing where the addition to
the new building will be placed on the side of the existing building, and the underground shelter
will be under the new addition.
Ms.Mendonca noted the applicant used the word"hurricane", but is now referring to it as
a basement. She asked if they are using the terminology"hurricane" in order to get FEMA
qualification and funding. Mr.Robison stated they are hoping to qualify it as a FEMA shelter,
but the terms"basement", "shelter", "bunker", and"research area"have been used
interchangeably to describe this underground,multi-purpose space.
Ms.Mendonca stated that it was mentioned earlier that this space would also be used for
research,but she is still in the dark as to what kind of research they are doing. Mr. Robison
stated he could have the Project Director,Nassim Haramein,address that after the presentation.
Referencing the above-ground storage containers,Mr. Kimura asked what will happen to
them once construction is complete and they are finished using them. Mr. Robison stated they
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are currently utilizing containers for storage of tools,seeds,and things that are sensitive to
moisture. There are two more containers that are for temporary or portable office/laboratory use.
Currently,they propose to build and permit them as structures with the option to move them later
if they choose. Mr.Kimura asked if they still may use those containers as research facilities to
which Mr. Robison stated possibly,noting they are being designed to meet all building codes.
Upon completion of the presentation,Mr.Chun explained that the property was
purchased by one of the major donors of the Resonance Project,and has entered into a 20-year
lease for the property with the option to buy, a signed authorization is contained in the file. He
pointed out that the criteria for the use permit is whether or not it is compatible with the nature of
the neighborhood,and not the kind of research, or whether the research is necessary or not;that
is not a land use question. Neighbors have expressed concern whether or not there is anything
explosive,or things that could be detrimental to public health,safety, and welfare. Mr.Chun
feels the application states there will be nothing to that effect;no explosives,no nuclear or
genetic research, or any research that will affect health,safety,and welfare. The research is
mostly theoretical in nature. They are very aware of the concern that this will turn into a TVR,
and assured the Commission they do not intend to rent out rooms;it will strictly be for
researchers that have been invited to attend free of charge.
Dr.Nassim Haramein,Project Director,provided an overview of the research park
concept of the Resonance Project Foundation, which involves collaborative efforts in theoretical
physics, a rapidly evolving field of study. The idea is to bring researchers with various
specialties such as astrophysics and quantum theory together to help build a global,unified view
of physics. The path to understanding the universe from a global perspective from universal
sized objects to quantum objects dates back to Albert Einstein. Mr.Haramein shared that he
wrote research papers that define some possible solutions relating to space/time organization and
structure, and how the material world emerges from that structure,self-organizing into organic
material such as the biology around us,and ourselves. The goal of the Resonance Project is to
bring all these experts together to cross-fertilize ideas, and bring these ideas to a testing facility;
there are no hazardous or nuclear materials involved. The experiments involve very precise,
minute measurements, and require a very quiet environment.
Mr.Haramein farther explained the outcome of such research could have extreme,
significant impact to society in the near future in terms of understanding energy,producing
energy,and creating power that will be useful to society as the biggest issue today is energy
production. He feels it could make a huge change in the world.
Mr.Kimura asked why this particular site was chosen,and if the desire was for a location
that didn't create any interference with their research,why did they not put this facility out in the
desert. He feels it would make more sense to do so as this location has electrical lines running
right alongside the property, and does not seem fit for the type of research they want to do. Mr.
Haramein explained the attenuation, or level of stray electro-magnetic fields does not necessitate
being in that remote a location.
Mr. Kimura reiterated that the location being right next to a road,with electrical lines
very near does not seem suitable for their research,and again questioned why they chose that
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location. Mr. Chun explained the property is sufficient for what they want to do,and what they
are allowed to do,noting the interference from the electrical lines is not that critical,and is not an
issue. He once again pointed out that the issue before the Commission is whether or not this
particular use on this property is consistent with the character of the neighborhood.
Mr. Kimura asked that if the electrical lines are not an issue,why it is necessary to go
underground to which Mr. Chun replied the placement of the underground facility is to also serve
as a shelter, and will also be a place of minimal interference for experimentation;it does not
impact the neighborhood,which is the criteria before the Commission.
Mr. Kimura stated he did not state that it impacted the neighborhood,but still questions
why this particular property was selected. Mr. Haramein explained it was based on a series of
compromises. In order to move forward, they had to look at the available properties that would
contain all of the things to meet their needs,one of which is zoning,and it was determined that
this property would be sufficient, at least as a first step in the evolution of the Resonance Project.
Perhaps in the future they will have laboratories elsewhere in the world,but right now they are
establishing the foundation for the project,and are excited to bring international scientific
exposure to Hawaii. They plan to make some of the visiting professors available to the local
colleges. Mr. Haramein further commented that he feels the historic character of the property
establishes the foundation of a forward-thinking facility with a strong anchor to respecting and
honoring the historic evolution of society.
Mr.Blake asked to clarify that this is the first Resonance Project ever created,and are not
sited anywhere else but Kauai to which Mr.Haramein replied they are a non-profit organization,
and Kauai is currently their headquarters. W.Blake asked if there are other projects doing the
same type of research to which Mr.Haramem replied yes, there are laboratories worldwide. Mr.
Blake asked if these types of projects exist all over, what will the Resonance Project offer that is
not being offered anywhere else. Mr. Haramein explained one of the important aspects is being
in a collaborative,highly sustainable environment where they will grow food,and live an organic
life while the scientists are there to enable them to completely dedicate their mind,and energy to
the research while they are on site. Mr. Blake asked to clarify that no matter where they were
located on Kauai,those things would be taken care of anyway, commenting that they would not
have the researchers out gardening. Mr. Haramern replied that some of the scientists may want
to take part in gardening as ideas come to people in many ways, and sometimes it may be
through gardening, and being out observing nature.
(The meeting recessed at 12:15 p.m.)
(The meeting resumed at 1:15 p.m.)
Mr.Dahilig asked whether the applicant had reviewed the comments from the Kauai
Historic Preservation Review Commission to which Mr.Robison replied no,but noted they were
present at the KHPRC meeting where they received verbal comments from the Commission. Mr.
Chun summarized the requests made by KHPRC:
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• Omitting the dome structure from the project, or,
• If the dome structure is required,mitigating the impacts of the dome with the
following:
o Appropriate coloration of the dome,other than white or light colors be
required for the structure to be camouflaged.
Currently,the applicant is looking to see if the dome can be painted heather green to
match the leaves and landscaping.
Mr.Dahilig noted that the visual impacts to that neighborhood are very critical, and given
that KHPRC has indicated their concerns,his recommendation on behalf of the Department
would be to see more sections that incorporate some of the comments made by KHPRC. Seeing
augmented mitigation measures visually would help the Department in making a
recommendation as well as help the Planning Commission. Mr.Robison stated that because
their application has been pending for so long, in order to expedite,they would be open to
approval with conditions based on KHPRC's concerns. Mr.Dahilig replied that visual
representations would help them see how the applicant is choosing to address KHPRC's
comments. Mr.Robison stated for clarification that the concerns are with the coloration of the
dome,the landscape screening,and the height to which Mr.Dahilig replied yes,and that it would
help for the applicant to include slides from the different view planes that incorporate KHPRC's
comments. Mr.Haramein noted that the dome requires thermal shielding which requires a
special paint to make it opaque;the paint can be made in any color and they will camouflage it as
best as they can.
Mr.Blake questioned the significance of the dome shape to which Mr. Chun replied it is
consistent with the logo of the Resonance Project,which is of geodesic character. Mr. Haramem
added that it is also related to the fundamental geometry of his equations,which match the basic
geometry of these domes. Being inside the dome and seeing the geometry in real space helps
people visualize some of these equations, which is sometimes difficult to do. Another property
of the dome is how sound creates singularity in the center of it. This helps researchers directly
experience the geometry of the dome,and not just discuss it theoretically.
Mr. Kimura asked if this dome has been used in other research centers to which Mr.Chun
replied they do not have another research center,but other people have used domes in other
applications. Mr.Haramem added that there are other research centers that use geodesic domes
for various purposes,noting they are fairly easy to assemble and disassemble and are easy to
move. He offered some examples on how these types of domes may be used.
Ms.Mendonca asked for exact names of places that are doing this type of research,and
utilizing domes. Mr. Haramem stated he does not have any specific names or addresses off
hand,but he has seen them in research facilities in many places. He noted there is a geodesic
dome on top of Kalalau Valley which is part of NASA's radar facility.
Ms.Mendonca stated that the applicant states they are not doing any chemical or
explosive experiments, and questioned what exactly would they be doing in lab work. Mr.
Haramein replied they would be working with desktop devices that use magnets and small
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magnetic field interaction,plasma experiments using electromagnetic fields to excite water or
various fluids to observe their collective organization behavior, and other benign desktop
experiments. Ms. Mendonca stated she is still not clear, and is trying to grasp the entire concept
of the project. She noted that they asked for a lab,and they asked for a dorm,which she is
assuming is meant to bring people over. She questioned what it all collectively boils down to,
asking if it is a school,or a gathering place. Mr. Haramein replied that it is not a school,though
there may be interns or post-doctorate students that come,but in general, it's pure research to
attempt to find a unified view of the dynamics of the universe;how matter comes to be,how it
self-organizes in biological structures around us,and how we got here.
Ms.Mendonca asked that if this involves research to find a collective idea by performing
magnetic studies, and other lab work;why choose Kauai in this particular area. Mr. Chun
replied that there were many factors that went into the selection of the site,and reminded the
Commission that the question before them is whether or not this proposed use,that is benign and
does not involve hazardous material,is consistent with the character of the neighborhood, or
whether it is a danger to public health, safety,and welfare. Whether or not they could be sited
somewhere else is not an issue before this Commission. Ms.Mendonca stated she understands
that very clearly,but in order for her to feel comfortable when approached by a member of the
public asking what the project is, she does not want to say she doesn't know. This is the time for
her to receive this information. She is not disputing the question before the Commission,but for
her own purpose, she wants to know what this research center is, further noting she would like to
hear from Mr. Haramem. Mr. Chun replied that Mr. Haramem has explained twice in terms of
what kind of research is going to be done,and explained twice what kind of instruments will be
used in testing and experimentation;he does not think having it broken down further will be any
more beneficial than what has already been explained.
Ms.Mendonca stated for clarification that it is basically a sharing of ideas,and testing
quantum theory as opposed to Darwin's theory. Sitting across each other and discussing
metaphysical theories is the lab work. Mr.Chun stated in addition, if the researchers want to
perform a simple desktop experiment to support what they're saying,they can do that as well.
Ms.Mendonca asked that by having a dormitory for ten people,they are expecting at
least ten or more qualified scientists to which Mr. Chun replied ultimately yes. As the research
facility grows,there is a possibility that they will build the dormitory, however,that is not
proposed until the third phase. Mr.Haramem added that currently they are renting houses in the
neighborhood to accommodate scientists;the ultimate vision of the Resonance Project is to have
everyone on site. He noted that brilliant ideas can come at any time of the day,and if they are
not captured,they are lost;they would like to have all the researchers there to be able to discuss
ideas as they come. Ms. Mendonca asked once they come to this one collective idea,where do
they go with it to which Mr. Haramem replied it gets published in scientific journals,peer review
journals,publicized through typical layman media,and press releases are done to educate the
public, and hopefully enlighten the scientific community about their findings.
Mr. Dahilig noted that he has been hearing from the Commissioners concerning the
health and safety standpoint of what is going to be conducted on the property. At the request of
Mr. Dahilig,the applicant distributed copies of CVs(Curriculum Vitae)of Mr. Haramem as well
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as other scientists that are currently assisting him to help the Commissioners better understand
the type of research being conducted.
Mr.Kimura stated for clarification that Mr.Haramein lives in Hawaii, and asked where
to which Mr. Haramem stated he was on the Big Island for seven years. Mr. Kimura asked if he
had done any research there to which Mr. Haramein replied yes, in Captain Cook in Kealakekua
Bay,and then in Wailua in Kona. In response to Mr.Kimura,Mr.Haramein stated he did
similar,theoretical research on advance physics, ancient civilizations,and the relationship
between ancient wisdom and advance physics. Some of the physics he does is unusual because
they are new ideas. Mr.Kimura asked if he is still doing research there to which Mr. Hammein
replied no, explaining that his children were getting sick from the vog.
Referencing the part of the project involving a ten room dormitory,Mr. Isobe asked if the
Commission were to approve the dormitory facility,would the owner of the property be open to
restricting further development on the property. Mr. Chun stated that would be a question to ask
the actual owner who is a major contributor to the Resonance Project as he feels the restriction is
tied to the use permit itself. Mr. Isobe stated that if the use permit is granted for the use of a
dormitory, and then the permit is vacated,the dormitory still remains and could potentially be
used as a ten bedroom, single-family structure,and an additional 20 units can still be built on the
property. He requested that the applicant ask the fee owner to what extent would they limit,
eliminate, or restrict farther use of that property should the use permit for the dormitory be
approved.
Mr.Blake commented that he is still unclear on what the research facility is. He noted
they are in a farming community with a residential block within this ag unit,are seeking to put a
research facility overlay on top of that, and then saying it's compatible; however,he is still not
convinced that it is. He requested more concrete examples of what has come out of past
collaboration. Mr. Haramein stated the Copenhagen interpretation,which shaped most of the
20`b Century quantum theory,occurred when Einstein and many top scientists of the time came
together to discuss the double-slit experiment, this shaped quantum theory as it is known today.
Mr.Blake stated he is not knowledgeable in quantum theory, therefore,he cannot determine
whether it is a positive or negative thing. Mr.Haramein further stated that quantum theory had a
tremendous impact on the evolution of our society, and we are now at the nexus point of our
evolution where there is a need to evolve theories to a level of developing technologies that are
more compatible and sustainable for humanity. They are striving to find new theoretical models
to understand nature better in order to harmonize with nature,which is why they wanted to have
the research park in a beautiful,healthy, strong,natural environment.
Mr.Dahilig stated that he has taken a look at some of Mr. Haramein's publications, and
attempted to characterize some of the Commission's concerns. He referenced a publication on
torque and the Coriolis effect relating to Einstein's field theory,noting those are the types of
experiments that can essentially be done with red dye and a vortex like a toilet. However, as he
read through the paper,there were elements discussing things that could potentially involve dark
matter such as black holes and supernova. Mr.Dahilig used the comparison of being able to do
biology by taking bread and letting it mold, or by constructing a Level 3 bio lab in the middle of
a residential neighborhood. He stated he thinks the concerns lie with the fact that they could be
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doing red dye in a toilet, or they could be trying to create dark matter in a lab. From a land use
standpoint,there must be an understanding of where they are going with their science. Mr.
Dahilig noted that the scientific experimentation is not well understood,and requested more
information on what exactly they are doing with experimentation.
Mr. Kimura commented that there is a lack of understanding of the research because the
Commissioners are not familiar with that particular field of study. They are not trying to nitpick
by asking all of these questions,they are just trying to gain a better understanding of what the
Resonance Project is doing. He requested the applicant return to explain things in a manner that
is easily understood by the Commission. Mr. Haramem asked the Commission how they would
like the information presented, and offered to bring some tabletop experiments with him to the
next meeting,further noting that he is doing his best to explain it as simply as possible;however,
it is such a complex subject. Mr.Chun stated that rather than coming back to explain the
theoretical aspects of it,which will likely be way over everyone's head,the applicant could
provide information based on the criteria of whether there will be any activity that could pose
potential harm to the public's safety. Mr.Dahilig agreed that bringing in some simple, safe
experiments into the Commission room would help show the benign nature of the experiments.
Mr.Haramein stated that due to the some of the specific environmental requirements, he may not
actually be able to conduct the actual experiments in that room,but he can bring in parts and
components and explain how they work,
Mr.Robison noted that this is not the first time they have heard these questions,and they
have discussed it with all of their neighbors. The point is not what the science is,but what it
isn't; it isn't hazardous, or nuclear,does not involve GMOs,or explosive materials,or hazardous
waste.
Ms.Anderson revisited the issue raised earlier about the future density of the property,
noting that these are not traditional single-family homes,and asked what the equivalent impact
would be, and how to address future restrictions on that particular property. If the ten person
dormitory would be equivalent to four or five single-family homes, she would like to have a
basis for future restrictions.
Mr.Kimura stated it was mentioned that this is the foundation of the Resonance Project,
this is the first project;however,the fast few pages of the CV show it was founded back in 2001
in Santa Cruz, California. Therefore, this is not the beginning of this project. Mr. Chun clarified.
that the term"foundation"doesn't refer to the beginning of the project,but rather that this is their
home. In response to questions posed by Mr.Kimura,Mr. Haramem explained the listing of past
project locations are no longer in operation; this is currently the only research center in existence
for the Resonance Project. He went on to explain that the Resonance Project was founded in
2004, and prior to that it was part of a project under the umbrella of another non-profit
foundation.
Mr. Texeim commented that he would request a status report to give an indication of
what the project is doing to which Mr. Chun replied that is not an unusual request, and the details
of what is to be included in the report can be worked out with the planner.
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On the motion by Amy Mendonca and seconded by Herman Texeira to defer the
Item to the December 10,2013 meeting,the motion carried by unanimous voice vote.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Pursuant to Hawai'i Revised Statutes Sections 92-4 and 92-5(a)(4),the purpose of this
executive session is to consult with the County's legal counsel on questions,issues,status and
procedural matters. This consultation involves the consideration of the powers,duties privileges,
immunities and/or liabilities of the Planning Commission and the County as they relate to the
Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act(RLUIPA),Pub.L. 106-274; codified as 42
U.S.C. &2000.
Pursuant to Hawai'i Revised Statutes Sections 92-5(a)(2 and 4)the purpose of this
executive session is to discuss matters pertaining to the review of the Planning. Director
pertaining to the Commission's FY 2014 work performance goals.Further,the discussion and
development of the Commission's work performance goals and objectives for the Planning
Director in FY 2015.This session pertains to the evaluation of the Planning Director's work
performance where consideration of matters affecting privacy will be involved. Further,to
consult with legal counsel regarding powers,duties,privileges and/or liabilities of the Planning
Commission as it relates to the evaluation of the Planning Director,
Mr. Dahilig suggested the executive session items be deferred.
GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS
Update from the Department on the County's "Complete Streets" Policy implementation
program and the Kauai Multimodal Transportation Plan.
Update from the Director on Transient Vacation Rental Certificate Renewal and
Enforcement Efforts.
Mr. Dahilig suggested the executive session items be deferred.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
The following scheduled Planning Commission meeting will be held at 9:00 a.m.,or shortly
thereafter at the Ldm`e Civic Center,Mo`ikeha Building,Meeting Room 2A-2B,4444 Rice Street,
Llhu`e,Kauai,Hawaii 96766 on Tuesday,December 10,2013.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 2:07 p.m.
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Respectfully submitted by:
Cherisse Zaima
Commission Support Clerk
O Approved as circulated.
O Approved with amendments. See minutes of meeting.
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