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HomeMy WebLinkAbout3-4-2010 KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/213 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held on March 4, 2010 in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B . The following Commissioners were present: Randy Wichman, Chairperson, Danita Aiu, Vice Chairperson, Patsy Sheehan, Molly Summers, and Alan Faye, Jr. The following Commissioner was absent: Dennis Alkire and Kehaulam Kekua. CALL TO ORDER Commissioner Sheehan called the meeting to order at 3 : 11 p .m. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA The agenda was approved as circulated. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES The minutes were approved as circulated. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS There were no Announcements and General Business Matters. COMMUNICATIONS Re$ Letter ( 2/8/2010) from Auln Mitchell, Director, Cultural Surveys Hawaii requesting input for a Cultural Impact Assessment for the proposed Halelea Village Shop Project which includes a commercial/office area with associated off street parking, a cluster of residences and an open space preserve, Hanalei Ahupuaa, Halelea District, Kauai Island, TMK: 5-5-010 : 066, 068, 069,081 . Chair: Ok Item B, communications letter from Aulii Mitchell regarding the Halelea Village project in Hanalei. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 2 Ms. Sheehan: Mr. Chairman I would like to recuse myself since I am involved in this project. Chair: Ok thank you. At this particular point until Kehau, I think we can revisit this later I think we can keep it open until Kehau comes. Our preliminary recommendations are to seek advice in the community, hold your public meetings and then we normally give out certain names of people who are extremely familiar with the area for them to consult as this is an archeological assessment. Perhaps towards the end of the meeting with Kehua here we can make those. So if you're ok we are going to defer this till later this afternoon. Is there anyone here that wishes to speak on the Halelea project in Hanalei? (None.) Due to lack of quorum this item was deferred to the April 1 , 2010 KHPRC meeting. Re: Letter (2/11/2010) from Malia Lmka Farias, Cultural Researcher, Cultural Surveys Hawaii requesting input for a Cultural Impact Assessment for a proposed rock crushing establishment along an approximately 5 mile section of 50 acres, on the lower side of the Kekaha Ditch, Pokii Ahupuaa, Waimea District, Kauai Island, Hawaii, TMK: [4] 1-2-002-001 = Pohaku O Kauai Materials, LLC. Chair: Ok item B .2 letter from Malia Farias, Cultural Surveys Hawaii . We are looking at a cultural impact assessment for a proposed rock crushing establishment along a 5 mile sector in Kekaha. Now this particular one again we would like to accept the letter in and then I believe there is people here from Kekaha and then normally one of the things we do is also public input, public meetings and also if we have names of cultural historians in the Kekaha area on the Westside. We normally would give those recommendations so we could make preliminary recommendations right now. But of course we 're still pending SHPD, we are still pending the public input to this and so we can take the preliminary steps. Commissioners any questions on this? (None.) Is there anybody in the audience who is here? Could you please step forward. Ms. Leanora Kaiaokamalie : If it' s ok I am just going to read my letter. Chair: Ok thank you. I think we just got a copy of it. Ms. Kaiaokamalie : Thank you for your time. My name is Leanora Kaiaokamalie. I am a long ranger planner and GIS analyst for the Planning Department but I am here to day as a community member and as a member of the Kilauano Ohana so I took some vacation time to come here this afternoon. The Kilauano Ohana are lineal descendents who lived in the area of the Pokii Kauna Ridge through Mana and beyond. I am very concerned about the collection and crushing of the boulders along the ridgeline of Niu around the Mana Reservoir area where the project will be located. Although the rocks have been disturbed by the plantation many may be still be significant cultural features we don 't know. Although our investigation with our assistance of knowledgeable kupuna is necessary in addition the caves along the cliff line still contain ancient burials that are another concern of mine . March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 3 The Kilauano and extended family still care for the burials throughout Kekaha and Mana. We are active caretakers of a small area along the Pokii Kauna Ridge that' s a small ridgeline that ' s going up toward Kokee from Kekaha side which has also been labeled as significantly disturbed by plantation activities. Yet as we malama this area we have found human bone and rocks with petroglyphs or other unusual features such. I worry about what may be further damaged or lost or awaken through the quarry project being considered. I have been in touch with Malia Farias with Cultural Surveys Hawaii to provide names and contact information for kupuna that should be invited to speak on the project. You know there are many stories of this area that our kupuna still tell and although I have confidence that Cultural Surveys Hawaii will do a really good job documenting the stories and conducting the site inspections, I still don 't want to see a rock quarry in this area. Aunty Ulu Kilauano has told me that there is another rock collection and crushing project in Waimea/Kekaha area. I think somewhere from what I can tell from the map Hukipo Ridge and I don't know enough about this project but I am inquiring whether this business conducted a necessary cultural environmental impact studies and has acquired the necessary permits to operate cause I haven't seen any paperwork or documents. Lastly, I would like to request if you could recommend that Pohaku O Kauai conduct a community informational meeting regarding to their project in order to disclose their plans, hear from concerned ohaha and insure that if this project is to commence that activities will not negatively impact the area any more that has already been and I have my contact information on my letter if you have further question on this. And Uncle Kunani Aipolani is also here. Ms. Aiu: I just wanted to know did you have another site in mind? Ms. Kaiaokamalie: This matter came to me in a. . . Ms. Aiu: I was just wondering if you guys in Kekaha thought you know maybe not here but here. Ms. Kaiaokamalie : No it was just no rock crushing. Chair: Commissioners any questions for Leanora? Mr. Faye: There is a question about the main reason for the rock crushing is because of the location. Ms. Kaiaokamalie : I have no idea. They say that there is some loose boulders kicked up from the plantation days and so they were going to remove and crush it and then use those materials . That' s all I know. Mr. Faye : With out somebody really telling us what' s going to happen how long is this crushing going to go on. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 4 Ms. Kaiaokamalie: Right and how can they tell the difference between one boulder and another and whether it' s significant or not. Chairperson: Let' s before I get to my questions welcome. Mr. Kunane Aipoalani : Chairman Wichman and commissioners, I am back in familiar territory but in a different time. My names is Kunane Kilauano Aipoalani. My father was Samuel Kahiki Aipoalam ' s son of Samuel Kamokapu Aipoalani who is the son of John Kelii Kanakaole Aipoalani Kepahuli and my mother is Margaret Kamala Kilauano who is the daughter of Louie Kilauano who is the son of Kauauaiki Kauauanuiamahi who is, I am giving you a brief genealogical background of my kupuna who were in the hills, in the ridges of Pokii, Waiawa, Kaunalewa which is the area that we are speaking about where this rock crushing project is proposed and I am here representing my kupuna and request that this area continue to be free and accessible to our family as you have heard from Leanora stating that we still care take some of our iwi kupuna that are buried there. So we hui malama and we take care and we clean and pay our respect. What I am concerned along with what she just mentioned is that, that area that starts with Pokii where the beginning of this project all the way the Kaawaloa Ridge and there is a heiau in the close proximity of where the site. It is a birthing heiau and what I am concerned about like she said the rocks that are unidentifiable is one that we know of We have visited that area. The birthing rock; there is a natural sitting type rock where the kawahine ' s legs would go over to give birth. So that rock is there. That' s a little concerning especially when they are talking about taking the rocks and crushing it. And I was also contacted by Malia Farias of the Cultural Surveys . So we are meeting with her on March 18th. She is flying in and at that meeting I am hoping to share more details of the cultural sites, the past history, the land use, the traditional practices of the area on going and those of the past. And I am working with her to get more of our kupuna. We have Althea Kaohi . The family is also from that area, the Kaunalewa Ridge area, myself and our matriarch of the Kilauano family, Uluwehi Kilauano . I asked some plantation workers from the Kekaha Sugar who worked along that ridge . At one time they had a railroad system and so I was able to contact an individual that will be coming on board to talk with Malia as she does here research. I am hoping we can get a whole group of people so she can get a good understanding of the whole area. As remote as we are in Kekaha it surprises me of the stories and legends and the things that are sacred out there. And Mr. Faye should know. Mr. Faye : Right we had a house in Pokii. Mr. Aipoalani: Right exactly. So I just wanted to share my manao with you guys. Chair: Commissioners any further questions? Mr. Faye: This is kind of a surprise this whole idea and we haven' t heard anybody say anything about it. So there is the pros and the cons. We don 't want to disturb anything. I agree with you. The question is who is actually proposing this project? And are they going to give us a March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 5 presentation on what they have planned? All there is a letter that says they are going to do a rock crushing. Who knows where they get the boulders and how long will it be going on and more details . Have you folks heard more detail? Mr. Aipoalani : No we are just in the dark as you. But I was hoping the applicant was going to be here because we wanted to know who this entity is . Mr. Faye: It seems like we need more information. Mr. Aipoalani: Yes so I just to bring it and make you aware. Mr. Faye : Your points are valid points . I mean it' s very culturally sensitive area. Ms. Sheehan: Do you use that 5 mile road to get to the boulder site . . . is that . . . . Mr. Aipoalani : No that is not in use right now. The plantation closed it and I believe and don' t quote me on it there is an entity that has gates. So it is locked at this point in time. Ms. Sheehan : So one of the things they are proposing is to I think upgrade the road and travel on that which would really create dust as far as going up the ridges and if there are sacred sites there. As Alan says I am curious to know whether this is a temporary thing or it will take 20 years to crush all these rocks. But it doesn't really explain it well in our paperwork but in order to access some of these ridges do you, would you have to use that road too? Mr. Aipoalani : Yes. Ms. Sheehan: You would have to use the road. Mr. Aipoalani : Yes. Ms. Sheehan: Ok I didn't know if there was some other way that you access. Mr. Aipoalani : Our family was fortunate enough to go through Mr. Ignacio of Kekaha and I 'm not sure which entity he is with but he has the keys that allowed us to go in and visit some of the heiau sites. Ms. Sheehan: So no one is taking care of the sites that you are talking about at present. Mr. Aipoalani: At present no . But it' s quite historical. Mr. Faye : Where is the site? Do you have the map? It is along the route or at the end? Chair: Well you have the heiau. Ms. Kaiaokamalie : By the Mana Reservoir according to the . . . March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 6 Mr. Faye : Why do they have to go down that road? Couldn 't they have come in from further down? Ms. Kaiaokamalie : I was using the letter that I think you guys got as well to try to locate the project. Ms. Sheehan : I think there is a lot of cultural concerns we would have questions for the applicant. Ms. Aiu: So you are going to meet on the 181h and hopefully something will be concluded. Mr. Faye : So would that mean that we would bring this up at the April meeting? You meet in March and then we can reconsider in April . Chair: We can carry this over. Mr. Faye : We can do the identification of sources/people right? But we can 't tell them too much about it because we won 't know. If I can talk with my cousin and say his manao but he won't know what is necessarily planned here. So it seem like you' ve got to go through another reiteration. Is there a big rush? Can it wait till April to get enough detail? Chair: At this particular point what we can do is a set of preliminary recommendations but we reserve the final set of recommendation until we have heard from the rock crushing operations . So we are definitely going to carry this over on our agenda. Today a preliminary set of recommendations could include the names of the cultural practitioners on the west side. So let' s do that right now. Some of the names I think were going to be proposed is the Hookano Ohana; of course the Aipoalani ; also Kehau Nesmith, Kekaha boy in there ; and others. Can you give us others? Cause this is a preliminary list that is going to go to Malia. So we definitely want to spell out these names . So can you give us the other names? Mr. Aipoalani: Ok Uluwehi Kilauano; Aletha Kaohi; the third was Osamu Arashiro. Chair: Kalani Flores. Is he working with pohaku outfit? Mr. Aipoalani: I am not sure if he is on island. . Chair: Well we are hearing he ' s in the zone but . . . Mr. Aipoalani: Yes he was very instrumental in writing a book along with Aletha Kaohi on the area up there. Chair: You are ok with including Kalani Flores on this list. Mr. Aipoalani: Yes. Chair: Cultural practitioners or knowledgeable individuals on this sector. The Hookano Ohana. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 7 Ms. Aiu: And Leanora. Ms. Kaiaokamalie : Yes which is Ulu Kilauano . Chair: You are ok with Kehau Nesmith also? Ms. Kaiaokamailie : I am not familiar. Mr. Aipoalani : Yes Kehau Nesmith right? Yes . Chair: And Quite knowledgeable about the cultural . Another one that is really knowledgeable about it is the Hookano ' s . I don' t know whether you want to include the Aana' s and other clans . Ok I think we have 8 names or so as a preliminary list at least to begin in this first set of recommendation. So the first part of this recommendation would be that they consult these individuals . The second part would be that several community meetings will be recommended that they conduct on the Westside either in Waimea or in Kekaha Neighborhood Center, so a series of public meetings to be held informing the west side community of this project. The other one is the presence of both Hawaiian and historical sites exist within the corridor and that the Cultural Surveys Hawaii put together the cultural aspects which may or may not include and archeological inventory cause SHPD is going to recommend an arch inventory in order for them to assess the nature and the scale of the historical and Hawaiian cultural aspects . So that will come out when you look at the research that Cultural Surveys will do it may trigger that for SHPD. But at this particular point we are raising the flag in that the level of cultural research done by Hal Hammatt is very important in this case. Ms. Kaiaokamalie : They do, do a good job. I have worked with them on other projects so I know they have that ability. Mr. Aipoalani: And it has to do with right from the very beginning you know I appreciate that. Mr. Faye : Our motion will include that the presentation by the applicant. Chair: Yes. At this particular point the next section of the motion would be that the lineal descendents of this area maintain their access. That I think we could do. Mr. Faye: They have access now though right. Chair: Yes but I think we need to put that in writing that they maintain it right. You know because you are going to be using the road and this and that. Mr. Faye: That you continue to have access . Chair: So that' s in a five part and if you are ok we can do with that. In the next time around then after we have heard from the rock crushing operation then we can determine the scale of the archeological inventory and or monitors at that particular point. But there is other aspects of this March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 8 that we could also make recommendations. But in order to have a list of recommendations to Cultural Surveys to begin their study I think this will help . Ms. Kaiaokamalie: Thank you much appreciated. Chair: So gang I can't make a motion so . . . Mr. Faye : I made the motion. Who wants to second? Ok so I made the motion and Patsy will second it. Chair: So let' s spell out the motion again for the record. Mr. Faye : First item is that we need to learn more about . . . . Chair: Let' s go with the names. Ms. Summers : Kunani? Or Kunane? Mr. Aipoalani : E at the end. Ms. Summers : That' s what I thought. Mr. Aipoalani: That' s a big difference in the interpretation. Ms. Summers : Ua Kunani no. Mr. Aipoalani : Makai. Chair: So we start out by saying KHPRC recommends . . . Ms. Summers : That he following cultural or knowledgeable people of the area Leanora, how are you pronouncing it? Ms. Kaiaokamalie: Kaiaokamalie, me not so important as the kupuna. Ms. Summers : Kunane Aipoalani; Uluwehi Kilauano; Aletha Kaohi; Osamu Arashiro; Kalane Flores; Hookano Ohana, and Kehau Nesmith all be consulted for their knowledge of their area. That conduct community informational meetings both to give and take information. That Hawaiian and historic sites located in the corridor be identified, located and assessed. And that lineal descendants from the area continue to have access . Chair: Five would be, say the number four the presence of. . . Ms. Summers : Hawaiian and historical sites in the corridor. Chair: Yes ok I think that covers it. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 9 Ms. Sheehan: Maybe that they include and come up with a list of inventory of cultural site in the area. Mr. Faye: Should we be specific that the applicant will present this case at the next meeting. Chair: Yes I think we still need to keep the door open but these are the standard first steps that we normally do in these things . Make the community aware and then we will hear from them next time. Ms. Summers: One other idea I had was that they are talking about working with boulders that have already been moved by the plantation. The plantations at that time did not know what boulders they were moving. We need somebody to go and look at the boulders that are no longer (inaudible) but are still very important entities. Mr. Faye : How does Cultural Surveys do that? Chair: Through the help of the Westside families but at this particular point that we have a monitor do that, we will determine that the next time around after we have a larger view of what ' s going on. Mr. Faye : Do we identify the examples? The birthing stone is one. Chair: Oh yes we are going to make sure we are going to check this out in the survey. Mr. Faye : Yes in the motion we should include that as an example . Chair: Yes do we have community meetings right? Ms. Summers : Yes. Chair: Commissioners anything more on this motion? Mr. Faye : It should be Molly' s motion. Chair: It is motioned. It is moved by Molly and seconded by? Ms. Sheehan; I' ll second. Chair: Yes ready to move. Ok? Is there anybody else in the audience who wishes to speak on this matter? (None.) Ok well Commissioner' s any further discussion on this motion? (None.) Ms. Summers : No I think it would be just to get more information. Chair: Yes and then we will carry this on the next agenda. Commissioner' s all in favor? (Unanimous voice vote .) Opposed? (None.) Thank you. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 10 UNFINISHED BUSINESS Re: Lawai Kai Special Subzone Master Plan and Management Plan Update by Chipper Wichman, CEO and Director, National Tropical Botanical Garden. Chair: Ok our next on the agenda is Lawai Kai Special Subzone. Because my family is involved in this as I did last time around I was recused. We are now down to the same boat, Kehau is not here. We are not able to actually make the motion. Let' s defer this until after the meeting to see if she comes in. At this point are you ok with moving up as we did with the Hanalei property? We will move this to the end of the meeting? Ok we are ok with it. Due to lack of quorum this item was deferred to the April 1 , 2010 KHPRC meeting. NEW BUSINESS Re. Kekaha Sugar Company Office Building (Sprint together with Nextel) Tax Map Key: 4-3-009 : 001 , Kekaha, Kauai Class IV Zoning Permit Z-IV-201042 for the proposed installation of a seventy foot (70') tall monopole. The monopole along with twelve (12) eight foot (8 ') panel antennas would be mounted near the top of the monopole. The monopole along with (2) radio equipment cabinets and a generator on a steal platform are proposed within a 25' x 30 ' compound. Chair: Ok next agenda item under New Business . Kekaha Sugar office building is proposing the installation of a 70 foot monopole. Is there anybody here? We are looking at Sprint/Nextel? All right cool welcome aboard. Welcome. Mr. Carl Young : Hi my name is Carl Young. Ms. Aiu: And you are Sprint? You are Nextel? Mr. Young: Well Sprint/Nextel is one company and I am representing them. Chair: If you don ' t mind just for a moment Commissioners I have in front of me communication to Ian Costa from Nancy McMahon dated March 3 , 2010. Sorry wrong one . There we go . Normally what we do is we take a good hard look at the SHPD recommendations. And then we see where we stand right now. You have got this in front of you. Right now this is actually a 2006 communique and it ' s for the same property and their recommendation is we believe that no historical properties will be affected because of intense cultivation has altered the land. Yes that is true. B, residential development/urbanization has altered the land. Yes you can make a strong argument for that. And C, previous grubbing/grading has altered the land. You can equally make an argument for that. And then it ends with the usual caveat, in the end that historic resources, including human remains, are identified during construction activities, all work needs to cease. Right that' s the normal paragraph included. At this particular point are we in concurrence with SHPD? March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 11 Mr. Faye: I would concur. Chair: Yes and so the first part of our motion would be that we would be concurring with SHPD ' s 2006 recommendation although we do not have an update to the SHPD but I believe the same recommendation is still going to come forward. Nothing has changed in regards to this particular piece since then . Is there anything you would like to add? Mr. Young: No. (Laughter in the background) . Mr. Faye : Is this one of those poles that you can disguise it a little bit and make it look like a tree like they did on the northshore. Mr. Young: That is an option. Sometimes it is made a requirement of the County in a case where it is a general industrial like this really close to other general industrial applications we try to save the resources so it' s available for various (inaudible) . The cost to submit that is about five to six times as much and so that would limit the spreading of that resource and the availability for the communications for the rest of the island. Chair: Have you consulted with any community members on the Westside regarding this Kekaha? Have there been any public meetings? Mr. Young: No . Chair: Are any intended? Mr. Young: No it' s not. Chair: Ok. Alright. Ms. Aiu: Is that going to improve services to Kokee? Mr. Young: Kokee I don't know. It was made to help out the Kekaha area. The cell sites are built based on complaints. The citizens in the area requested and one of the things that Sprint is trying to do especially on Oahu is (inaudible). Mobi and also Sprint are recognized as special providers and what they do is they try be (inaudible) especially in areas that are rural the federal government is trying to make it so that rural areas get special attention as well. So there is actually some new laws that say you have to process it at a certain amount of time because they want to make it so that health care is available through wireless services especially people think well why do you need wireless? It' s the ambulance. It may not make a lot of difference to some people but for some people who live far from a hospital it' s the difference between life and death. So that' s a very big part of the service that is being offered. In the mainland where they actually provide care in transit which helps people stay alive. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 12 Mr. Faye : I would like to get back to that tree idea. It bothers me a little bit. It' s a big departure from an historic cultural look of the old office building and all. How much cost is there involve and how much performance lost do you loose? Mr. Young: Well there is no performance lost for that tree. If you were to put a cell over it, for example they want to make it look like a chimney or a dog house on top of the roof and you put fiberglass panels that are virtually RF transparent you have signal loss . So there is lost there but the cost goes up literally about 5 to 6 times . So when you are talking about pine tree there is an initial cost and there is also maintenance cost. When you think about Hawaii the sun and salt and the wind believe it or not you put all that together the corrosive effects are incredible, actually it' s faster than anywhere in the United States . Within a year everything falls off so we have to keep replacing it. The cost is very high to maintain and also very expensive to put up . It' s about fifteen hundred dollars per square foot. Mr. Faye : Additional? Mr. Young : Well I would say the normal cost would be I don 't know exactly but its about five times as much. Mr. Faye: Have you done that in various locations? Mr. Young: Sure. It has been done in other locations but they try to do it, you know there is only so much money, so they try to spread it as far as they can. And this is a small area that it is covering, a very small area. Ms. Sheehan: I just had a question. Your pictures are really great. The trees look pretty big already and they are old. The monkey pods . So I am like Alan I was trying to maybe paint it or stain it a color that sort of fades out so it' s not just shining and reflecting. But as the trees grow, I mean I think they are old but they are still going to get higher but there is no, I really can 't tell whether they are just in the trees or just right next. Cause I would want to start cutting these trees down because they are starting to be in your way. They are not close to each other. Ok. And then in the future . . . Mr. Young: To be honest the trees probably won 't grow. They are probably at the maximum. Ms. Sheehan: If in the future if you want to add more panels what I think it says in this is you would not go up you would add down the pole? Mr. Young: Right so the ordinance says that you can only go to seventy feet anyway. So what they usually ask us to do is to go so it accommodates future. Ms. Sheehan: So would it go all the way to the grown or do you just go to the trees. It would be a bigger thing then the panels . Mr. Young : It would have more panels and it would be within the drawing because it' s requested to be there . There is also two things in terms of visual. One is put them all in one place. So you March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 13 have competing things there. If you want to put them all in one place you have enough signals for each you should make it very tall but then it comes invisible. So there has to be this happy medium in terms of height. So 70 is the maximum for industrial area. We are trying, the first thing we do by way is we look for zoning that is compatible. So the first thing is the industrial and then after that we try to get as many as we can based on the County ' s requirement. Every County requires to make it available for collocation. Chair: Now correct me there is already an existing cellular tower there. Yes so therefore the paint schemes and everything. This is Commission has reviewed well over half a dozen cellular towers and sites over the last ten years or so. Some of them have been on very sensitive ground and other ones have not. In this particular place although I think the idea of the color scheme appeals to us the idea of imposing it when no such imposition was made last time. I don' t think any of us were here or whether or not this Commission reviewed the first original site. So essentially I don't anyone of us were here at this particular point so it would be difficult to . . . Mr. Faye : You can use camouflage like World War II. Mr. Young: Painting is no problem. Chair: Well it' s just so you know under the fourteenth amendment, equal opportunity in our law we do what we do to everybody bottom line. And in this particular case that is why I am sensitive to that but Commissioners if you are ok with that we could make those recommendations. So are we ok with that? At this particular point I think it is a heavily impacted industrial zone and has been so for well over a hundreds years. I don't think we can make an argument at this particular point and the nature of the archeological assessments or the monitors at this point. So it looks like our recommendations are going to be pretty much straight forward here. Do you have a particular color scheme? Or Alan do you want to make the motion or who is going to make this motion? Before we make this motion is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak on this matter? (None.) Great let ' s get to the motion. Ms. Sheehan : My motion is to receive the applicant ' s information and to transmit the KHPRC comments and concerns to the Planning Commission cause that is where the application is right now. So the concerns about color or whatever, that' s my motion, to receive the information that we got today and transmit any comments and concerns to the Planning Commission. Chair: And our set of recommendations to the Planning Commission would be : A, that they consider color schemes, yes the color schemes which reflects the camouflage? Ms. Sheehan: Well I think just to mitigate the impact. Chair: Paint it red dirt is that what we are saying? Mr. Young: We can make it match the trees, the monkey pods to mitigate visual impact. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 14 Chair: That would be "B". On "A" this Commission concurs with SHPD 2006 communique that the heavy grubbing has taking place so we are actually concurring with this. We are not recommending arch surveys and things like that at all. So it' s really we are looking at a two part motion right now. Are we ok with this? Ms. Sheehan: Yes . Chair: Ok Commissioners any further discussion? It' s been moved by Patsy and seconded by Alan? Commissioner Faye? Any further discussion? (None .) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote .) Any opposed? (None.) Motion carries. Thank you. Re. 4688 Hoomana Road (M/M Alvin Tanigawa) TMK: 3-8-16: 10, Lihue, Kauai Proposed construction of a boat shed. Chair: Item D .2 . 4688 Hoomana Road, proposed construction of a boat shed. Is there anybody here testifying on this? Aloha and welcome. Mr. Carl Matsumura: Aloha I am Carl Matsumura from Archie Watanabe, Inc . and . . . Ms. Laura Tanigawa: Laura Tanigawa for the residence/boat house . Chair: Thank you. Mr. Matsumura: This is the first time in front of any commission so please have mercy on us. Chair: Well we don' t bite. (Laughter in the background). We bark a little bit but . . . Ms. Aiu: Who wants to the build the . . . are you the contractor? Mr. Matsumura: Yes. Ms. Aiu: Owner? Ms. Tanigawa: Yes . Ms. Aiu: Ok thank you. Chair: Ok at this point in that we are in an architectural review Alan is our main architect right now and so Commissioner Faye do you have any questions? Mr. Faye : I really don 't. I think it' s kind of an, from an architectural standpoint it' s all open. So basically you are just putting a roof up and it has to be that high for some reason? Mr. Matsumura: Clearance for the boat needed is twelve feet. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 15 Mr. Faye: From the side view it' s almost unsupportable but I think you have a shear wall on the end right? Mr. Matsumura: It' s built on concrete columns . Mr. Faye : Yes but you have got to have the shear and the shear is taken up from this right here. Mr Matsumura: Yes and it' s also connected on the back end. Mr. Faye : Do you envision this to be any problem with the standard hurricane under 120 miles an hour. My concern might be that it looks a little bit sensitive. Chair: That would be the problem with the Building Department for that, that wouldn' t be under our purview. Is it attached to an historic building? Mr. Faye : It is attached to an historic building. Chair: How is it (inaudible, tape malfunction). Ms. Sheehan : To provide KHPRC ' s comments/recommendations to the Planning Department who is processing the building permit and one of those comments/recommendations being perhaps looking at landscaping to soften the look of the shed but not be in the way. I think receiving the information and providing the Planning Department with ideas of softening it. Chair: It' s been moved by Commissioner Sheehan, and seconded by? Ms. Aiu: Second. Chair: By Vice Chair Aiu. Commissioners any further discussion? Ms. Aiu: One last question. You said that the columns are hollow tile and then you know this front panel that' s wood, and then what totong or what do you have? Mr. Matsumura: Paper roof, shingles . Ms. Aiu: And that matches with your. . . Mr. Matsumura: Existing roof, the residence ' s yes. Ms. Aiu: So that the overall effect doesn't look like you have a charming old house and this thing you know. Chair: So would we ask them to match the . . . Ms. Aiu: Kind of match the painting to just give it that one look. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 16 Chair: Are we ok with matching the roofs? Ms. Sheehan: That might be an idea if it' s not cost prohibitive. Mr. Fave : As close as possible to have the same roofing. Ms. Tanigawa: I want it to be matching. Chair: You are ok with that. Ms. Taniggawa: I wouldn't want to make it any different colors . Chair: Yes we really appreciate that. Then we are in a two part motion then. Are we clear on it? Ms. Sheehan: Yes materials matching. Mr. Faye: Matching paint. Chair: Ok Commissioners all in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Any opposed? Hearing none. Thank you. Mr. Matsumura: May I ask a question? What happens from now? We just sit back and the plan goes . Ms. Sheehan: Planning commission needs to take the input from the advisory groups and then it' s going through its process . So I think it' s the Planning Department that ' s going to ultimately process it. Mr. Matsumura: So we don't have to do anything? Re: Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) Camp TMK: 14-01 : 13, Kokee, Kauai Proposed repairs and ramp addition to barracks "A" ; repairs to barracks "B" and foreman ' s residence. Chair: Under New Business item 3 we have the Civilian Conservation Corp and proposed repairs and additions to barracks "A"; repairs to barracks `B" . We know we have the Director of Hui O Laka here Marsha Erickson. Welcome. Ms. Marsha Erickson: I would like to answer any questions. I don 't really have any presentation but anything I could answer I would be more than happy too. Chair: Ok. Once again welcome. This falls essentially under the purview of our architect again. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 17 Ms. Erickson : Do you have a set of plans Alan? Mr. Faye: Yes . Well Marsha has already taken both Nancy and myself on a tour of the plans for these barracks on October 31St9 Mr.Erickson: I hope we have the same plans because our architect' s plans came in a little after October 31St Mr. Faye : Did you change? Mr. Erickson : October 31St. So you have got them there then . Mr. Faye : Well these are plans made March 4th Ms. Sheehan: Are these the most recent? Ms. Erickson : Do you have a date on there? Mr. Faye: The stamp is March 4th. But this is the current plan right? Chair: Commissioners I think we have in front of us the letter to Ian Costa our Director from Nancy McMahon dated March 3 , 2010 . Marsha do you have a copy of this? Ms. Erickson: No I do not. Chair: Let' s go over this first up . Let' s see if we concur with this . Mr. Faye: I should read it then. Chair: I think so yes . So let' s give everyone a chance to get caught up here. Mr. Faye : Marsha do you have a copy? Ms. Erickson: I do thank you so much. Mr. Faye: I don't see anything here about sanitation you know how they are going to do the location of leach fields and so forth. Ms. Erickson : Location of? Mr. Faye : You were going to put in a septic system? Ms. Erickson: Um actually the State installed a septic system for the entire camp about; I think it was completed about two years ago . Mr. Faye: It doesn 't show it here. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 18 Ms. Erickson: So it would just be hooked into the STP that the State put in. Mr. Fave: So it doesn' t involve any of the architecture we are looking at now. Ms. Erickson: No because it ' s already installed it would just be hooked up to that existing leach field and STP. Chair: Commissioner Faye you have had a chance to review SHPD letter. Are they raising any flags? Mr. Faye : Well it just sounds like your typical, they want to maintain it says that the Secretary of the Interior' s Standards to retain rather than replace . So it mentions specifically any windows, doors, floor surfaces, and gutters should follow details of the originals . Ms. Erickson: We have copied the original. This is the end of a project that has been ongoing since 1990 and so it' s an eleven building complex and we are talking about the last three buildings and we will keep the colors that we copied originally starting in 1990. Chair: And do we concur with SHPD? Mr. Fave : Well once we can see where they are in the plans . I think we should look at each one of these line items. Chair: Ok so we take them one at a time. Mr. Faye : Ok so painting windows and door frames that' s pretty easy. Chair: Ok. Mr. Faye: The next item is a wheelchair ramp use similar materials as the buildings. I know just a wheelchair ramp just on barrack "A". Ms. Erickson: Yes the reason for that is you know accessibility rules say that whenever you have a new function that you must have it accessible. So we have it already all functions of the camp are accessible with the original accessibility ramp which runs behind the mess hall and into barracks "C" . However, in barracks "A" the first one we will not have that return to overnight accommodations but it will rather be used on the inside for exhibit production, historic preservation carpentry and a teaching carpentry shop . So that' s a whole new function and must be made accessible. Chair: ADA accessible? Ms. Erickson: Yes . And I must say both in the case of making it accessible that the old mess hall and barracks "C" which has already been done, it was done is such way that none of the improvements are visible from the basic view plane of the camp which is the center courtyard. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 19 And that' s the same situation here we will be adding an accessibility ramp that goes toward the back of the building and enters the back of the building and you will not see it at all, it won' t be visible at all from the central courtyard. Mr. Faye : And what about the accessibility of the restroom? Ms. Erickson : It' s all planned to be accessible. Mr. Faye : And that' s in barracks "A" only? Ms. Erickson : Yes. Mr. Faye : But if you are using the mess hall the person has to travel all the way to barracks "A" to go to the restroom? Ms. Erickson: No, no we have already done accessibility several years ago concurrent with the STP work and so there is a ramp behind the mess hall that makes it accessible all the functions of the mess hall plus the functions of the barracks "C". So we already have the . . . Mr. Faye: Where is the ADA accessible restroom outside of barracks "A"? Ms. Erickson: In barracks "C", it' s already done. Mr. Faye: Oh it' s already done. Ms. Erickson: That' s correct. Mr. Faye: Was this just all recently? Ms. Erickson: No several years ago . Mr. Faye : The doors are all widened for wheelchair, doors and wood working and so forth. Chair: And that of course you are ok with right? Ms. Erickson: We struggled with it but the thing is in the case of where you enter the building the accessibility ramp that too is not visible from the main courtyard. So we are not talking about the front doors of the building. It ' s just off to the back. The other thing they made us do is up em by seven inches too. Chair: The height, the door height. Those are impacts that must be absorbed. Ms. Erickson: They are not as I say visible when you drive up or when you walk into the center of the courtyard. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 20 Mr. Faye : How about the electrical lines where it says the surface pads are camouflaged for electric pads. Ms. Erickson: Where does it say that? Mr. Faye : Replacements electrical lines should follow surface (inaudible) existing or be camouflaged. I was wondering what that meant. Ms. Erickson : We are trying our best to bury the lines. We are trying to find enough money to bury the lines. Mr. Faye : Where are the lines? Ms. Erickson: Well actually part of this project is of delivering of electricity to the site for the first time . We have been on a construction drop since 1990 when the project started. So it involves brining in a pole at the far side of the property and then going underground from that point. Mr. Faye: So the far point would be . . . Ms. Erickson: It would be behind the foreman ' s cabin. Mr. Faye : Oh there. Ok the foreman ' s . Ms. Sheehan: Is that something you would have to get a permit for? The whole electrical of where it goes underground? Ms. Erickson: Actually you have to have it engineered. Chair: Yes there is code for burying electrical lines . Ms. Erickson: And I might say if I don't know the answers to questions it' s because, I mean I know the historical stuff as much as I know but our Trustee and Treasurer Frank he is actually running this project. Mr. Faye: How is it funded? Ms. Erickson: Well they are doing value engineering now which is cutting out and I am going over here trying to raise more money. It looks like we have already let the job out to bid. We have received two bids. We had three interested contractors and two bids and the final selection was given to Kikiaola Construction Company. Mr. Faye : And when they do value engineering how do consider that. How do you consider . . . Ms. Erickson : What you cut out? March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 21 Mr. Faye : Yes what do you cut out? Do you have any idea? Ms. Erickson: Yes I sure do. You have the contractor do painting prep and then you have volunteers do the painting. Things like that. You know we are not going to have them do electrical but I mean in those areas where we can actually use volunteer input. Kikiaola is willing to assist us. They have worked with a lot of different volunteers in different projects and they are very volunteer friendly. Mr. Faye : And you have gotten some handle on it so you feel that what ever value engineering will still have it allow you to have the funding available? Ms. Erickson: We have currently had $ 186,000 for the project and of course some of that got eaten up in design but we have recently thanks to Kauai Planning and Action Alliance found an additional $ 800,000 we are up to about $243 and Kikiaola has been very generous and they said that they don 't want to use all our money and they have actually come in at $214 and we are actually beginning to reverse the value engineering and putting things back to their account. So it looks like we have got sufficient to finish it by December of 2010 . Mr. Faye : This might be a little bit out of line from the normal thing about KHPRC but the barracks "A" could use some of the needed space for the museum right if you wanted to move the Iniki display up to barracks "A". Ms. Erickson: Actually barracks "A" is such a critical feature in the ongoing operations with repair and maintenance of historic buildings and stuff. So I think if we talked about using the camp as a resource in itself. You know an exhibit in itself and I think if there are any exhibits we would put them in the mess hall and that is definitely in the plan but I don't think the exhibits would be in the work area. Mr. Faye: So the work area is in process but eventually when it' s worked out it opens space. You could do more with it right? You could have exhibits there? Ms. Erickson: Not in the work room because that would be, you could have it in the mess hall but it would actually be a full on carpentry shop for exhibit production for taking care of historic buildings and also a teaching workshop. Mr. Faye: Well that ADA access to the mess hall would allow people to come and see if we want to move some of the museum exhibits up there. And so that would be where they would see those. What about barracks "C". Ms. Erickson: Barrack "C" is actually currently, that' s the one in the corner right that is also accessible that currently has overnight accommodations and an office. Chair: At this point I am going to interrupt. Commissioners do you have any questions? Ms. Sheehan: I didn 't really understand whether it' s a good or bad statement when it says the project will have an effect with proposed mitigations . March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 22 Chair: What do they mean by that? Ms. Sheehan; A good affect or a bad affect? Ms. Erickson: What paragraph is that Patty? Ms. Sheehan: The second page in bold print. I just didn' t understand what it means. Ms. Erickson: Based on this information it will have an effect. The buildings will last longer, I don 't know. Chair: Well cause it' s something about the Department of the Interior' s Standards right. And that . . . Ms. Sheehan: Is it meeting the standards then? Chair: Yes and we know that to the very best of their ability you are adapting and reusing everything you can. We know this already. Ms. Erickson: And we have lived up to those standards. Chair: Yes I have seen with my own eyes . Ms. Sheehan : I just didn 't want this to be a negative statement because I didn't understand it but I think that you are certainly doing everything you can and you know you might have to dig up the yard for the electrical or whatever but everything else . . . Chair: Perhaps we can ask that question to our Director? We just wanted to double check exactly what they mean by that line. We looked at the Department of the Interior' s Standards . We know that philosophical, sometimes we agree, sometimes we don 't. Mr. Costa: It would not be accurate in saying that it would have no effect. So I believe that it ' s a statement acknowledging that it will have an effect but you know they have said negatively. Chair: Yes so I think we can accept it as that. Ok so at this particular point we will be concurring with SHPD recommendations. Yes? Mr. Faye : Yes . Chair: Mr. Faye was there anything else? Mr. Faye : No I just wanted points clarified about the ramp and access but mainly the big issue was this ADA compliance . March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 23 Chair: Yes but it seems like they are mitigating that by continuing to put it behind the buildings. The impacts are minimized. Mr. Costa: And the statement that precedes the one we just looked at the project already details that the new roof and wall batts follow the guidelines. Chair: Yes so I think we can take this letter very positive. We just wanted to make sure of that. Mr. Faye : Right. Ms. Aiu: Especially since they bold faced it. Chair: Commissioner Summers do you have any questions? Ms. Summers : No it' s just going back to the accessibility to barracks "A" saying that there is nothing that you can see from the central courtyard but I notice that there is the walkway that goes right along side barracks "A" but that walkway is that going to be cement and concrete just like the other walkways? Chair: Yes it' s going to look the same . Ms. Summers : And are you going to repair the other walkways so that you don 't break your leg walking to the access ramp? Ms. Erickson: Well actually that is a good point as you know there is one place where a piece of cement kind of comes up in the middle of the sidewalk and that is going to be smoothed out so nobody kills themselves. Mr. Wichman: Ok Commissioners anything else? At this particular point the motion is pretty much concurring and wishing the triple C camp the very best. Ms. Sheehan: Motion to receive the applicant' s information again and provide any recommendations to the Planning Department and any permits needed but we do concur with the SHPD letter we received and definitely wish Kikiaola great luck in getting this done. We will be there to pain. Ms. Erickson: Oh I was just going to invite you to the grand opening. Chair: Who is seconding this motion? Mr. Faye : I ' ll second it. Chair: It' s been seconded by Commissioner Faye any further discussions on this motion? (None.) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Any opposed? (None.) Thank you. March 4. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 24 Ms. Erickson : This was my very first meeting of the Commission and it is neat what you guys have to deal with. And that is a serious invitation which we will put in writing when we finally have the dedication I hope the Commission will finally come out and celebrate with us. Thank you so much. SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS The next KHPRC Meeting is scheduled on Thursday, April 1 , 2010 . ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 4 :45 p .m. Respectfully Submitted, Shanlee U. Jimenez Secretary Date :