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HomeMy WebLinkAboutoct7min KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held on October 7, 2010 in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B. The following Commissioners were present: Randy Wichman, Chairperson, Danita Aiu, Vice Chairperson, David Helder, Kuuleialoha Santos, Patsy Sheehan and Molly Summers. The following Commissioner was absent: Dennis Alkire and Alan Faye, Jr. CALL TO ORDER Chairperson Wichman called the meeting to order at 3 :00 p.m. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Chair: We need a motion to approve the agenda. Mr. Helder: So moved. Chair: With an amendment of moving Scientific Consultants to the front. Mr. Helder: So amended. Ms. Aiu: Second. Chair: It' s been moved and seconded any further questions? (None.) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Opposed? (None.) RECEIPT OF ITEMS FOR THE RECORD All items were received for the record. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES The Minutes were approved as circulated. NOV 0 4 2010 ) October 7, 2010 KAY R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 2 ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS Chair: Announcements and General Business Matters. The only one is the SHA conference. I think everyone here is aware of the SHA conference coming up on the 15t1i, 16" and 17t1i. Friday night is the Pat Kirch and the awards ceremony. Pat Kirch is the leading archaeologist right now. His work is awesome. He is doing a lecture that night. It' s going to be really good. Saturday the papers will be on Hawaii. We are going to have Koloa field system. We are going to have Tahiti. We are going to Moorea, it will be East Polynesia on Saturday. Sunday will be the Micronesian archeology which Micronesia has been (inaudible) in Polynesian history and overlooked until now so any information of the history of the Micronesia as it relates to Polynesia is cutting edge that' s Sunday. Mr. Jung: How's it everybody. Chair: Hello. The County has very generously got this Commission there so cool. Mr. Helder: Are we going to have the paperwork. I am asking that because we play music till six so I will be racing down. Chair: No, no this is a general lecture open to the public. Yes no worries. Ms. Aiu: Thank you to your wife because without here I certainly wouldn't have heard that this is going on. So please tell her thank you. Chair: Thank you. COMMUNICATIONS Re: Letter (9/1/2010) from George K. Costa, Director, County of Kauai, Office of Economic Development requesting input on the Draft Environmental Assessment per EIS law (Chapter 343, HRS and 11-200, HAR) for the Kaiakea Fire Station Photovoltaic Power System, TMK: 4-6-014: por 026, Kapaa, Kauai Hawaii. Chair: Commissioners we are on item B . 1 ., letter from George Costa regarding the Kaiakea Fire Station Kealia. Commissioners I know that you have all read this document with fascination and wondered why it' s in front of us . Any questions? Any recommendations? Ms. Sheehan: Is it on the ground? Mr. Jung: It looks like it's off the ground. Mr. Helder: It' s a new building in a new area. Chair: In light of the interpretive there is a whole panel just on this piece of property. I doubt that, that is what sent he flag up but I think it' s procedural. October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 3 Mr. Helder: Unless something has changed why are we doing an existing project on reclaimed land? Where does it come under historic? Mr. Jun f7: Cause it had to do the draft EA so if there is any comments on the archaeology on there. Mr. Helder: For the whole project? Mr. Jun 7: No the project was done. This is just for the photovoltaic system so it' s triggered for an EA because of the use of County money and State funds. Mr. Helder: Oh ok so it' s just for the money? Mr. Jung: No technical historic properties. Chair: For us no flags have come up. Mr. Helder: There is nothing historic to protect as far as I can see. Chair: They have already done their earth moving everything doesn't require too much of it. But the same caveats to the law. Mr. Helder: They are doing what we had hoped they would do. Chair: Yes get them selves off the grid. Yes no recommendations . We haven 't seen any SHPD letters or anything like that. Can I get a motion to receive the items with no objections? Ms. Aiu: I move to accept the items with no objections? Ms. Sheehan: Second. Chair: It's been moved and seconded is there anybody in the audience that wishes to address the Kaiakea Fire Station photovoltaic system? (None.) Commissioners all in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Any opposed? Hearing none motion carries . Re: Letter (9/2/2010) from Glen T. Koyama, Belt Collins Hawaii Ltd. requesting review and comment on the Draft Environmental Assessment (DEA) for the proposed acquisition of a 0.71 acre parcel for possible future improvement to its water system, TMK: 24-03:7, Kalaheo, Kauai, Hawaii = Department of Water, County of Kauai. Chair: Communication B.2. Letter from Belt Collins Hawaii requesting review and comment on draft environmental assessment for the .71 acre Kalaheo, Department of Water. Is there anyone here from the Department of Water? October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R,C. Meeting Minutes Page 4 Keith Fujimoto: Thank you Keith Fujimoto. Fortunately I remembered I was hoping it was done with already. (Laughter in background). The EA is a requirement that we submit for use of County funds. Chair: Yes and Commissioners if I may start. Mr. Helder: Yes please. Chair: Having read over very carefully a lot of it I reviewed the archaeology the Hal Hammatt, I read over that very carefully I noticed that you were examining a piece of property a little bit above it but because of considerations and the topography is going to work for you. One thing that confused me on the first reading was some of the recommendations from the Engineering Department. Let me show you exactly the language. I threw me. Where are those recommendations letters? You have several recommendation letter included. Right here you have. Mr. Helder: What page are you on? Ms. Sheehan: Appendix A. Chair: Appendix A, Pre-consultation Letters and you notice on this first one from the State of Hawaii, the subject for future reservoir site. Mr. Fujimoto: They call it a reservoir but essentially it ' s a storage tank. Chair: Yes I was confused with the term reservoir and you see it happening in other letters too and they are referring it to engineering to as if it were a reservoir rather than, right? Mr. Fujimoto: Again I think it may be an historical term that they are calling a tank a reservoir. Again I really cannot speak for the agency that responded but I am pretty sure from past notations. Mr. Helder: So it refers to function rather than device. Chair: And then urn you also noticed that it is the hill itself that is Papapaholahola right there were the original spring that is being captured right? Mr. Fujimoto : Yes it is part of that ridge. Chair: And when did County originally captured that spring first? Mr. Fujimoto: Back in the 20s I believe. Chair: Yes early right and it' s been upgraded several times since then? October 7. 20 10 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 5 Mr. Fujimoto: I am not sure if it was upgraded but it' s no longer, we are no longer using that water source as a water source anymore. Chair: Are you drilling then right there? Mr. Fujimoto: We have two well actually right there next to that spring source. It's not using the same aquifer water lens we tapped the base of that at sea level. Chair: So at this point the spring is actually across the street from this proposed site. Mr. Fujimoto : No, no the proposed site is actually maybe a half a mile from this spring site. Chair: Alright that is a significant distance from there. Ms. Summers : Is the spring system on Benny Silva's land? Mr. Fujimoto: I am not sure about Benny Silva. Chair: Yes I couldn' t help but noticing all the names. Medina, Duarte, Silva, Andrade all up in that area. Mr. Fujimoto: Going back to Benny Silva I think we did have a source there but I think we discontinued it in the 50 ' s but the tank might still be there but we are no longer using it. Chair: So how far away are you from the tank? Mr. Fujimoto: Ok there is an existing what we call it nursery tank off Puuwai Road. Chair: Yes when looking at the topographical map right here on figure 1 , when you see the subject parcel right here you actually see the spring water tank and that' s why I didn't think it was half a mile it shows within a lot closer than that to one contour line. So that's why I was thinking that the spring that they are referring to. Yes because that's why I thought. Mr. Fujimoto : The water tank is there but the spring is actually further down. There might be a tax map key that was included. Chair: Commissioners they are not actually capturing the spring itself. I have no further questions. Ms. Sheehan: Is there an abandoned building or dwelling on the property? Mr. Fujimoto: It actually straddles two of the parcels . I am not sure how it got built that way but we intend to demolish the building when we proceed with the tank. Ms. Sheehan: You don't have a picture of the buildings? They are just abandoned and old. October 712010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 6 Mr. Helder: There is a picture of it. Ms. Santos: Page 20 to the very back of the book. Chair: Built in the 50s and it straddles the property obviously they have to move it now but the County will get an easement obviously to the other side. Ten foot easements to the other side of the property. Ms. Summers : It's not exactly historic but I do happen to know that two lots down from this is being listed for a million dollars. How are you affording this .71 acres? Chair: That' s not a question within the Commission. Mr. Junk: Is that the only improvements on the property that abandoned structure? That' s what triggered the EA? Mr. Fujimoto: No the EA triggered because we are using County funds to purchase the property. Mr. Jung: But if it is unimproved land than it doesn't trigger 343 . Mr. Fujimoto: I think it doesn ' t matter as long as we are using County funds it requires an EA. Mr. Helder: I move that we accept the Draft Environmental Impact be accepted with no recommendations. Ms. Summers: I am sorry and it's not historical but they don't mention the fact that there are native bats in the area. Just thought I' d bring that up. Mr. Helder: Do you want that included in this assessment? Ms. Summers: (Inaudible) when they talk about flora and fauna on page 14 . Mr. Helder: Would you like to amend the motion to include that and the second. Chair: I think as a recommendation is to be aware of the bat population you know that is pretty much being standard language in a lot of it nowadays maybe not that particular bat issue but the whole fauna. I think we can. Mr. Helder: I would like to amend my motion to include information about the bat population within the draft environmental assessment in this area. Chair: We can say that bats were seen flying in the area as far as the nesting population we can't go there in all fairness. Bats have been seen flying in the aera. Ms. Santos: Second. October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 7 Chair: Are you ok with it? Ms. Santos : I second. Chair: Ok any further discussions? (None.) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Any opposed? (None.) Motion carries that's it. Thank you. Re: Letter (9/13/2010) from Jim Powell, SCS Archaeology requesting review and comment on the Revised Interpretive Signs for the Kauai Costal Path, Ke Ala Hele Makalae, Wailua to Kealia Portion, Kauai, Hawaii — Public Works Department, County of Kaualt Chair: Ok so if we can we are going to do item B.3 . Jim Powell, Scientific Archaeology. Thank you for coming. Mr. Jim Powell : My pleasure. Many of you have seen these signs once before. Chair: Yes I believe so. Mr. Powell: I think we have made some significant changes. It's taken a long time. With your comments I think we can close this thing out and try to incorporate the comments you have. Ms. Aiu: Thank you I was pleased to see that you and I worked together and I saw what I had asked you, I saw it in there and as I worked with you I didn' t only think of what I was thinking but I listened to the different comments that were made and tried to incorporate the concerns. Thank you so much. I like it. Chair: Molly? Ms. Summers: I had submitted editorials. Chair: You did yes good and you saw your changes and things that, yes I think the context of it is much more into the story of Kapaa, that corridor. Commissioner Helder? Mr. Helder: This goes with this? Mr. Powell: Yes there will be one more sign similar in appearance to the Kapaa Town. The text on the inside photos of the old farm equipment are on the outside and that would be of the old pineapple dump. Mr. Helder: Well these are great. I like them. How are you going to print them? Mr. Powell: These are going to be on. I am sorry I didn' t bring those details but almost 4X6 and are going to be up on moss rock stands. It will be along the bike path at various locations. It is October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 8 similar materials to the signs that are out there now and they have proven to be (inaudible). So they are intended to last a long time. Chair: Thank you. Ms. Santos: Well I guess cause I am new so I just read them all and I am was kind like there wasn't like more Hawaiian. You know more, you know the verbiage of Hawaiian people and Hawaiian things. It was just like really short things and then you had like the history of the plantation that was so long and informative but the actual old legends of Kapaa and the old stories weren't. I was just kind of bumped. Mr. Powell: Let me give you a little bit of history. Topics of these signs came from a committee five or six years ago. So it' s kind of stuck in this narrow, here is the signs that we want you know give us the history. I am surprised that they got as much traditional Hawaiian stuff in here that they did because they were almost specific to plantation culture and most modern culture of the Kapaa Corridor. The sign that is up at the new fire station Kaiakea I wouldn 't have known anything about that if it hadn't have been for Kalei Arinaga and her class. She developed that. Ms. Santos: Yes she did a lot of research on that. She did a really good job. Mr. Powell: And it was funny because when I heard that the gourd was in the museum I had assumed that it was a gourd but when they sent me the picture it was like wow. You know and her class didn't realize that it was such an ornate object also . Chair: But it' s an evolution of an object. Mr. Powell: Sure but it froze everything up to a whole different level as far as appreciate as far as it' s not just a gourd. You its symbol like. Chair: It has always been this Commission' s position right from the get go (inaudible) and Jim Powell ultimately the one that is responsible essentially within the bike path committee. It means for us that at this particular point that we need to be a little bit more clearer about the aspects of that on the next round of interpretive and directly with the (inaudible) not the contractor. And yes I am definitely disappointed that we had three recommendations for that. At this particular point the context from where we have come to the first, the second and then to this is really a lot of improvement from the last time. So with that those are my comments. Mr. Helder: So is there one more round after this or this Chair: This is it right? Mr. Powell: I hope so . Let' s put it this way there is no more money. (Laughter in background.) Chair: Commissioners . . . October 7. 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 4 Ms. Sheehan: I just had a question. I am sure I missed it. The size is the size of the writing or is it a lot bigger? Mr. Powell : The signs are about 4X6 or somewhere close to that. Ms. Sheehan: So the writing itself will be a lot bigger? I don 't run with my glasses. And then my other question was on the maps. They will be bigger as well? Mr. Powell: Every thing will be size. . . Ms. Sheehan: The are still for me a little hard to read and if you wanted to sit there and I don 't know if you can make them more black and white but I would really need glasses and the writing is small and we just had so much into this. I just hope that and my comment is I hope that you can make these maps if you are going to use them really dynamically clear because I think they are going to lose a lot if they don't pop out at you more. They are interesting and you have a lot of information and if someone is trying to run by they would spend an hour reading. The maps are good but they need to come at you because they are interesting. I think the color picture work out well but the maps and the black and whites need to be visually easier to read. Chair: So essentially what I am hearing is two recommendations. More contrast on the maps and more contrast on the black and white photographs. Those are fairly simple steps. Mr. Powell : Well as you realize some of the photographs they are what they are. Everything should be clearer this is just you know kind of a working copy that I have been using. Chair: Yes and I know that with the professional services they are going to color correct everything to the proper so there is a continuity to the entire thing as far as color correction is concerned. So that is something to keep in mind. Mr. Powell : Yes they like I said, this was just a quick turn out on medium grade paper. They do much pop more especially some of the banner on the top. Chair: Notice that Kuulei, some of the concessions culturally were of course this upper pattern right here which is the makaupena which is unique to Kauai . Known to was the ahupuaa within the crosswalks also. Remember that part? Ms. Santos: Yes. Chair: Commissioners anything else? We can make this motion with the contrast or you can take it under advisement at this point. Mr. Powell: I will definitely pass it on. These are being developed in Honolulu as far as the production that goes to the actual sign producer so I will talk to that guy and tell him of your comments and see what he can do. Chair: Thank you for all your work. You have been at it for a while. October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 10 Mr. Powell: It's a big learning process historically. Chair: So at this point other then the contrast on some of the elements . Ok thank you very much. Mr. Powell: Thank you for your patients . UNFINISHED BUSINESS There was no Unfinished Business NEW BUSINESS Re: 4722 Hoomana Road, German Hill, TMK: M46: 06, Lihue, Kauai Class I Zoning Permit for Stair, Door Alterations and Window Replacement = June C. Ikemoto. Chair: You are with? Ms. June Ikemoto : I. am June Ikemoto under New Business. Chair: So here we are on New Business German Hill/Hoomana Road, Ms. Aiu: June is this your house or are you representing a client? Ms. Ikemoto: No I this is my house with my brother. We bought this house a couple of years ago and there is two portions on it. One is the older portion and there had already been a new portion added on to it. We are working on the old portion and what we have is what we call the guillotine windows. You know the windows that that the, I don 't know what you cal that, the metal does not hold so we have like different lengths of stick holding the windows up depending on how much we want it open. We decided we have to fix that because sometimes when my children moves the wood it' s like really a safety hazard so we are ready to do it. Ms. Aiu: So this is just about windows? Ms. Ikemoto: And one door we added instead of two windows we changed that so we would have a door to go to the laundry room instead of me carrying the basked all the way around the front or all around the back. Mr. Costa: So June the plans you submitted actually show an addition that was the old plans? Ms. Ikemoto : Yes that plan is the plan that was previously done. It's not plan. The only thing we are adding is a door and couple steps to go down and the door is replacing two jealousy October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page I1 windows and then the other thing I am doing is replacing all the windows except the bathroom because hopefully we are going to do some changes in the bathroom in the future. So at least the two bedrooms are going to be replaced as well as the living room. Mr. Helder: The window that you are replacing is going to be the same style? Ms. Ikemoto: Yes it's going to be vinyl with white window trim and it' s going to have the wood the same size. We are going to replace it. I don't know what they are going to do, put the window and then the frame is going to be back to the original that we have. It' s kind of a wide I don't know how many inches like six inches . Mr. Costa: So they are setting the vinyl windows into the existing wood casement. Ms. Ikemoto: Yes cause there is a lot of termite damage to that we are replacing but we are not changing the size or anything it's just taking what we have and putting one that is easier to clean. It' s the same double hung and is the same as the old fashion window where you have air coming in from the top and bottom. Chair: Commissioners? Mr. Helder: Just out of curiosity is this, the way it looks on the plan it' s like there is two buildings with an adjoining deck. Is that right? Mr. Costa: It' s the entry porch is sort of. Ms. Ikemoto : Yes this is how we purchased this house. There is, it's kind of we call it we used the side as our front door. We go through this middle portion. We hardly use the front door to come in and that is there is a porch and there is a room. I don't know what it is. If you look at mainland plans it's like a mud room you know it' s like that and then it connects to this new portion. The new portion was approved with vinyl windows but has jealousies. We are not doing that we are doing it exactly as what the window on the old portion it' s just that the material will be more durable vinyl but will have the frame as is. So if you, I may have drifted from your question but essentially the new portion we are not touching and that' s the addition that was added a while ago but that was before we purchased it. Mr. Helder: So the, what I was going to comment on is it looks like this doorway is into neither building but into this porch. Is that right? Ms. Ikemoto: Right it' s in this area. Mr. Helder: From my perspective as long as you keep it within the style of the old part of the building you know I don 't have any problems with it. Chair: The configuration of the door and the material? Mr. Helder: The door and the materials if it would be . . . October 7, 2010 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 12 Chair: What do you think of the door? Mr. Helder: There is no real description of this one. Staff The last two pages. Mr. Helder: Oh ok. Ms. Ikemoto: We are not touching the roofline and we want to but we are not. We are just doing the minimum so I can carry my laundry basket with the least amount of rain on me. Ms. Sheehan; So the door and the steps are going to be sort of as you say the front door you don't use so much so this would be more of your entrance exit? Ms, Ikemoto: No if you look at that other side of that door. We drive in and then here is the steps and there is like a porch where we keep all of our slippers and shoes there and then there is a room that is like a mud room. It's where we throw all of our backpacks and groceries there until we sort it out. And then there is the steps that go out from there into the laundry area. That' s what we want to do put steps so I can get easier access to the laundry so I can get easier access. Instead of going around it's either front door or this back through this deck area just to exit besides the one that I come in through. Do you see it I am sorry. Ms. Sheehan: I am getting it. Chair: Commissioners anything else? Can we reiterate any recommendations if any? Mr. Helder: To tell you the honest truth to me the photograph that I have here is not clear enough to compare the drawing to the door to actually see how this fits together and so I you know I am not trying to withhold anything. While the picture that I have so as far as to me to make a recommendation whether this door or this window fit within the style. Ms. Ikemoto: This is my house? Doesn 't look like it you know. (Laughter in background.) I am just being honest with you. Oh yes, yes this is it. Ms. Sheehan: Your door is on the back? Ms. Ikemoto: (Inaudible) it allows me to this is where we are. And you know the funny thing, well it' s not funny, but this doesn't show the whole house so I am looking this is the front and this is the step where we drive in through here ok. So the door is on this side. Ms. Sheehan: So you can't see. Ms. Ikemoto : Yes it' s deeper in side and you can't see it at all from the front cause it kind of jogs in, the new portion. October 7, 20 10 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 13 Mr. Costa: It's a door like a French door? Ms. Ikemoto: It' s just a regular door, this kind it' s not a French. It' s just a kitchen door. Mr. Costa: But the main entry door is that like a French door type? Ms . Ikemoto: The main entry door is a solid door and you know what is interesting maybe they can help me, it' s funny because when you look on the inside of the house the frame is kind of big you know. The frame is bigger then the door so there is like this frame this big of the door but there is door only this much and then this side is a frame but its empty. Mr. Costa: So maybe it was like a French door that has been already long been replaced. Chair: It' s already extensively modified. Commissioners we have no specific recommendations . Mr. Helder: I move that we accept this project as stated. Ms . Sheehan: Second. Chair: It' s been moved and seconded. Nobody is here in the audience. All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Opposed? (None.) Motion carries. SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS The next KHPRC Meeting is scheduled on Thursday, November 4, 2010. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 3 :43 p.m. ectfully Submitted, anlee U. Jimenez Secretary Date: October 28 2010