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KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 11 2012 '12 OCT 26 P3 404
3:00 p.m.
Lihu'e Civic 'enter, Moikeha Building
Meeting Room 2A1213
4444 Rice Street, Lihu'e, Kaua'i
AGENDA
CALL TO ORDER
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 1 , 2012 MEETING MINUTES
A. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS
B . COMMUNICATIONS (None)
C. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
1 . Appointment of investigative committee members and discussion to scope tasks
for an investigate committee to identify potential amendments to Article 25 ,
Chapter 8 of the Kauai County Code; 1987 as amended, including to but not
limited to changing the name of the Commission and clarifying the role of the
Commission. Once formed and the tasks completed, the investigative committee
will present its findings to the Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision-
making.
2 . Certified Local Govermnent (CLG) Status
a. Appointment of investigative committee members and discussion to scope
tasks for an investigative committee to identify properties for nomination to
the State and National Register of Historic Places . Once formed and the tasks
completed, the investigative committee will present its findings to the
Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision-making.
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D . NEW BUSINESS
I . Robert Lober
TMK: 2-8-07 : 16
K61oa, Kauai, Hawaii
Proposed alterations to include French doors and canopy to existing retail...
building.
2. Kaumuali` i Highway (Phase 1 ), Lihu'e Mill Bridge to Rice Street
Federal Aid Project No. ARR-050- 1 (036)
Llibu'e, Island of Kauai, State of Hawai'i.
Pre-final bridge railing design for Lihu'e Mill Bridge .
a. Letter ( 10/19/12) from Mr. Pat V. Phung, P .E. , Leed Civil Engineer, US
Department of Transportation, Federal Highway Administration to
Kuuleialoha Santos, US Department of Transportation, Federal Highways
Administration.
E. SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS (12/6/2012)
F. ADJOURNMENT
EXECUTIVE SESSION: The Commission may go into an executive session on an agenda item for
one of the permitted purposes listed in Section 92-5(a) Hawaii Revised Statutes ("H.R.S.
without noticuxg the executive session on the agenda where the executive session was not
anticipated in advance. HRS Section 92-7(a). The executive session may only be held,
however, upon an affirmative vote of two-thirds of the members present, which must also
be the majority of the members to which the board is entitled. HRS Section 924. The
reason for holding the executive session shall be publicly announced.
Note: Special accommodations and sign language interpreters are available upon request
five (5) days prior to the meeting date, to the County Planning Department, 4444 Rice
Street, Suite 473, Lihue, Hawaii 96766. Telephone: 241 -4050.
KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION
Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B
MINUTES
A regular meeting of the Kauai County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRQ was held
on October 4, 2012 in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B.
The following Commissioners were present: Kuuleialoha Santos, Chairperson, Pat Griffin, Vice
Chairperson, Danita Aiu, Stephen Long, Patsy Sheehan, and Randy Wichman.
The following Commissioner(s) were absent: Jane Gray and David Helder.
CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Santos called the meeting to order at 3 : 00 p.m.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
The agenda was approved as circulated.
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
The Minutes of the August 2, 2012 meeting were approved as circulated.
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS
Chair: Announcements and general business matters, does anybody have anything and if so
would you like to push it to the end of the meeting? Have anything? No? Fabulous moving on.
Ml_,__Wicliman: One general announcement. There is a fish pond conference ill. Wai ��a rni
Novernber 2, 3 , and 4.
Ms. Griffin : Thank you.
Mr. Wichman: You got the notice for that?
Mr. Hironaka: No .
Mr. Wichman: Look it up.
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COMMUNICATIONS
Re: Letter (9/29/12) from Ron Agor, Architect, Agar Architecture, LLC requesting a
courtesy presentation of the reconstruction Mans of the Hanalei Pier Pavilion to the
Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission.
Chair: Letter 9/29/12 from Ron Agor, Architect, Agor Architectures, L.LC requesting a courtesy
presentation of the reconstruction plans of the Hanalei Pier Pavillion to the Kauai Historic
Preservation Commission.
Mr." Ron Agor: Good afternoon commissioners for the record my name is Ron Agor for this
project I am volunteer architect. The pier is in a condition where it has got to be taken down
because it is really not safe. One can lean on the pier and literally move it. We have been
delaying taking it down because the Rotary Club and a group of community members have said
that State you don't have to wait for funding, like two years, to rebuild this . We raised the funds
and we are ready to rebuild immediately.
Ok so I have got that all coordinated and the State is in the process of selecting the contractor to
do the demo and the reason I wanted to do this courtesy presentation was that the State is going
to do it. They are going to demolish the structure and for sure you guys are going to get called so
I just wanted you to get up to date with what really is happening and we are going to be
rebuilding it pretty much the same as it was rebuilt after lwa. The only changes that we are going
to back to a corrugated iron roof instead of what it was before Iwa.
So we are really anxious to get started. The volunteers are just ready to go and again this is it
good example of the community stepping up and not waiting for state funding to rebuild mill
re.40Urces and taking it to their own (inaudible). I just wanted to make sure you guys had a fiends
LIP on it so that if you get called you know what' s going on. That' s all .
Chair: Alright any questions? Comments?
Mr. Wichman: I do remember in the 1980s when the refurbished and redid the whole thing back
at that point. I think it' s a really good idea that you are going back.
Mr. Agor: Yes they almost disregarded that.
Mr. Wichman: Yes at that particular point but I think the footprint is true to the original right
there. The aspects of the present structure the roof right there, there is no adaptive reuses with
that. Yes there is, in that terms, the demolition is fine. The only one at this particular point is the
NABS requirements for this.
Ms. Griffin: It' s always helpful to take photos before, during, and after so they can be archived . I
am wondering about this * . .
Mr. Agor: We are.
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Ms. Griffin: Excellent. I am wondering about the Section 102 process. Have you all been going
through that?
Mr. Ago r: Yes SHPD, we mentioned it to SHPD and as you know and I know they are in
disarray. They can't get to it. In fact they probably won't be able to respond to it until next year
but we did get a verbal .
Ms. Griffin: 106 is Federal, the National Historic Preservation Act that requires with historic
structures to have a public input and advisory process and I haven't heard anything about it so I
was just wondering where you were on that.
Mr. Wichman: Is there Federal funds for this? No there is no Federal funds so there is no 106 .
Ms. Griffin : Oh ok.
X4),4., ,1 Tor: Yes this is just volunteer money <md Joe Borden is here and they are in tile: Inocess of
doing [Ills and I thought it would be a good idea as a courtesy to bring it to you.
Ms. Griffin: Sure ok so that' s good to know that there aren't apy Federal funds but there will be
State activity.
Mr. Wichman: I also know that we have been having community meetings on this and this is not
news, it' s been in the works for two years now when they originally came in to do the
preliminary research. So good I am glad to see you at this point. I have no further questions.
Chair: Any more questions? Does anybody have any comments in our little audience back there?
Mr. Mike Gushard: I am from SHPD. If you guys send us information on it our turn around time
is much faster. I promise we can get that back to you. In the above grounds section we have been
about a week or two turn around.
Mr. Ago r: Thank you. .
UNIFINISHED BUSINESS
Re: Letter (6/19/12) from Barbara Shideler, AIA, Mason Architects, Inc, requesting
input on the Pre-final Design Guidelines for the Historic Kokee, Halenianu and Puu
ka Pele Camp Lots (Kokee and Waimea Canyon Recreation Residences Historic
District) = State of Hawaii, Division of,State Parks.
Chair: Moving back letter 6/ 19/12 from Barbara Shideler, AIA, Mason Architects requesting
input. on the pre-final design guidelines for the historic Kokee, Halemanu. . . Sorry come on
down.
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Ms. Holly MacEldowney: Holly MacEldowney I am the archeologist with State Parks and I am
here to talk about the architectural design. It' s a follow up on our August 2'd meeting and
discussions we had there . You requested that you hear from the Kokee State Advisory Council
and I am very happy to tell you that we have two members the Chair and the Vice Chair here.
We had two meetings. We have discussed the guidelines at both meetings. We had some good
comments and we will try to accommodate as best as we can. I am not quite sure what. You
expect of this discussion but I can introduce you to the Chair and Vice Chair if they can come Epp,
Mr. Wichman: If I may. We left our last discussion essentially where we needed to consult with
the Kokee Council in regards to and we have both the President and Vice President.
Ms. MacEldowney: The President is Mary Buza-Sims and the Vice Chair is Wayne Souza. So if
you want them to come up.
Mr. Wichman: So essentially from my understanding the discussion is, where it is now is that
this commission is more than happy to accept the kuleana of the review guidelines for Kokee
until such time as the Kokee Council wishes to take over those responsibilities at this particular
point unless the Kokee Council is prepared to take on the review process this commission: can do
it in the mean time.
Chair: I thought it was going to be a partnership.
Mr. Wichman: Ok then tell me where you guys want to go with this.
Ms . Aiu: Excuse Madame Chair. Thank you for being here. It was my understanding, and it is
also my feeling, that we were going to do this in concert. I don't think we were ever giving our
right to the design review and I think we want to have something to say too.
Chair: That was my understanding as well.
Ms Mary Jean Buza-Sims : Hi my name is Mary Jean Buza-Sims. I am chair (inaudible). We
have just been to two meetings on the Kokee Advisory Council . So we are trying to wrap our
minds around working the council at this point. One of the meetings Barbara came and made a
presentation to the group and we didn't have a lot of time to review the documents that were
prepared but the committee as a whole I think are in unison in terms of in theory of supporting
the work of the historic commission.
There were questions that were presented at the last meeting and one of the biggest things is any
time you put a document together and you want to enforce it the question becomes enforcement
and the budget to that. I think that's where our questions came from and there were specific
details in the document but in theory we got this thing but in this point we are not prepared to
take over the task or fully give you a full assessment of our where you feel we can make a
contribution because we are working at our own five year draft by Kokee Parks . So that is a big
task itself and although we want to contribute here at this point.
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Mr. Wa ne Souza: Wayne Souza, Vice Chair of the Kokee State Park Advisory Council. We
never had any intention of overseeing the review itself. We are just making comments.
Chair: I was under the impression that you guys will make the first/initial comments and then it
would come to us.
Mr. Wichman: Right now what I said at the beginning this commission will accept the review
responsibility for all appending projects that come before Kokee. I think we are good with that
and we are all clear that at this particular point has all the expertise right now in order to review
those applications. When those come up and we are reviewing them they maybe, I don't know
when the next one is going to be. If one of the representatives could be here when we are there,
you are welcome to have an advisory capacity when these things come up.
Ms . Buza-Sims : You are saying when there is an actual review a person who has a cabin up there
and want to do some changes then they will come to you. You oversee that review part,
Mr. Wichman: Yes we will make the recommendation.
Chair:. I have a question. Myles, that' s State right? So that really wouldn 't come to us would it?
Mr. Hironaka: Well it' s in the conservation, excuse me, it' s in the conservation district
Commissioner so there is no real permit that is reviewed by the Planning Department. I am not
sure if they will be getting a building permit from the County for any type of improvements.
That's may be the case.
Ms. MacEldowney: State Parks can request that we go through the building and we will request
for them. We have those three levels of potential repairs or actions to the cabins .
Chair: And then Myles was going to research how we would be notified of the changes that were
going to be, not Myles I am sorry Ian. Yes Ian was going to research how that was going to
work.
Ms. MacEldowney: We still have to talk to the County more on how the flow would occur.
Mr. Hironaka: Excuse me but I thought the task, the foremost task at hand was to review the
design guidelines that the State has brought forward and to get your comments and input on the
design guidelines as the primary focus. The permitting side because something that I am not sure
if there is a mechanism that would make that work.
Ms. MacEldowney: But part of the design, the proposed review process is to include them when
there are major reviews and we would like outside expertise to help judge if this is appropriate or
is not appropriate. So anything that would require, this may be a little simplistic cause a lot of the
things are grey lines. So anything that requires like a major building permit or some kind of State
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permit we were going to ask that it come to the KHPRC. So that' s one (inaudible) in a similar
way that things already come to you. Is it through the Building Department?
Mr. Hironaka: Well there are two different. I think we need to work something out with the
State.
Chair: And that' s what Ian was going to, we talked about it last time and then we wanted your
input on the guidelines before we could comment, we wanted to hear what you guys said about
all the guidelines that were presented. That and then we wanted Ian to research how we would
help and be involved.
Ms. MacEldowney: We are still working on that.
Chair: Yes so I think those are the two issues before we can comment or say anything that is
what we need from you guys.
Mr. Hironaka: That' s my understanding is looking at the guidelines for now.
Ms. Sheehan: Are you fully membered in your council so that you have everyone. You obviously
didn't have a meeting over the guidelines with the bigger group or have you?
Ms. Buza-Sims: We don't have a full membership at this point but there is enough for a quorum
but we don't have membership and those who were at the meeting I think we had quorum at the
meeting where we discussed and gave input to the guidelines that was presented at that time are
you looking for something in writing or just presentation?
Chair: We would like to see what your comments were. We would like to see your feedback and
all that kind of stuff.
Ms. MacEldowney: I have a list. They did make a motion to recommend approval in concept.
Mr. Souza: As far as the design guidelines in concept.
Mr. Wichman: I think at this point I am comfortable that thb review design guidelines is a good
document in which we can begin to work from. Ultimately in the end of course there are other
factors that may be brought in that would question certain of the language in the document but I
think we can deal with it at this particular time. In no way are we committed to every single word
of it but the intent of the design guideline is all thete. There is really, really good caveats and
good procedurals as you broke it. up into the three different permitting categories. Obviously, the
intensity of whatever it is that is going on. I think we have a good working document right now. I
am very comfortable in assuming any kind of support role in the review process.
Ms. MacEldowney: There were some other comments about invasive species that mesh nicely
with Pat's comments because Katie Kassel is on the Council too and we thought maybe it really
wouldn't be an official part of the design guidelines but we would have a separate booklet that
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have pictures of the invasive species for the lessees. We have a list of things but they may not
know what they are. So if we have some pictures and as you said it is really important to point
out not just what the shouldn't plant but what they should try to take away.
They asked for more maps so we will include more tax map keys and I have some of the historic
maps too, scanned versions of the historic maps that show the pastures and the camp lots. So we
will include those too. Enforcement yes that' s an issue we hive and they would also like the
guidelines to look more accessible because it is a 'technical document and I realize anybody
picking it up might be a little overwhelmed.
Mr. Wichman: And you are working on those details within the master plans and you are
defining each one of those categories . I don' t know how comfortable this Commission would be
in reviewing the invasive species . I am not sure that, that would be in our purview.
Ms. MacEldowne : That came up because we are looking at the cultural landscape as well for
each of the cabins. So we trying to maintain species that have been there for years that' s fine.
Ms. Sheehan: Do you have something in there about enforcement? Was there nothing?
Ms. MacEldowne : No.
Ms. Sheehan: So are you going to try to put something in there?
Ms. MacEldowney: We have an enforcement problem that goes beyond these guidelines. So we
are trying to work on enforcement as best as we can but I think when we began to discuss this
with them enforcement is hard if you don't have foundation documents. Nothing to go back to
you and say you had an opportunity you could have read this. This is what you were supposed to
do . So hopefully it would contribute to better enforcement in the long term.
Ms. Amy Esalci : Will the State include that guideline in their lease?
Ms. MacEldowne y: It is in the State in draft form.
Ms. Amy Esaki : It is so the State would have the authority to enforce it.
Ms. MacEldowne : It' s a lot of judgment calls too.
Ms. Wichman: Their architecture branch will review these permits. They would have a letter of
finding which we usually would review, either concur or non-concur and then either add further
recommendations at that point or not. But we will treat it like anything else except that we have
separate guidelines for Kokee.
;M ;l. MgcJ:ildowney: So were we are going from here I think is what we discussed before also is
price we finished this process and we work out whatever we have to do with the County and
State Historic Preservation Division has to approve it as well. It will still be in draft form tend
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then we hope to meet with all the lessees and the public and the public to see what comments
they have and then after that we would finalize and it has to be approved by the State Historic
Preservation Division. Also the Land Board because it is in a lease. So Land Board has to codify
that. Currently there is reference to a draft guidelines that will be finalized. So it' s the next steps
after this.
Ms. Buza-Sims : I think I would like to interject at this point that this document is quite
overwhelming if you see it and to say the least and it should be lessee friendly so when a lessee
gets the piece of document that concerns their part in terms of remodeling or fixing or changing
things and it's part of a document that they understand that the language is clear and not so much
(inaudible) included so that they know. You know my comment at first was if I was a local
person and I saw this document I would say what am I going to do with this? It' s too
complicated. I not going to follow this. And that' s not the intent, the intent is to preserve and if
you don't get people on your side to preserve because you are giving them a document that is so
complicated they are not going to abide by the rules of regulation. I think we have to think also
as a lessee and see how we are going to make friendly so they cooperate with what needs to be
done.
Mr. Wichman: That was my first initial reaction to the document after I read it a few times was
that it did restrict the lessee. They have very little maneuvering room in the nature of the hinges
and things. It got down into way more level of detail than I think is really appropriate and then I
thought that the discussion in the Kokee vernacular which is essentially the intent is to preserve
the Kokee vernacular up there. A good example is that small little house as you go into the main
park.
Mr. Souza: The old park headquarters.
Mr. Wichman: Your headquarters right there is a classic example of Kokee vernacular and I
think that once our local lessees kind of understand that the general look and the feel of it is
within that particular style. We are good and I think generally speaking most people will be good
within the Kokee vernacular. I think we will have really big issues and it' s already within the
design guidelines in order to avoid some sort of palace up there or you know those kinds oi'
things but I am not sure how the other commissioners feel about reviewing Kokee.
Ms, MacEldowney; Well I am hoping that once it starts to implemented that we have a good
back and forth with people. They will call to ask and then we can say go look on page whatever
and go find those materials and then maybe Historic Preservation will help and say ok there is crI
comparable material you can use if you can't find that. So hopefully there will be some of that
personal back and forth.
Mr. Wichman: Always remembering that what we do for one person is for everyone. That there
is no arbitrary bits in the way we deal with individuals . That's very important to this commission
is that if we do this to one person, we do it to everybody. So we have to be really careful when
we get to that point. But I think if it came into this council, commission we would have the
flexibility in order to discuss whatever came out that is questionable.
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Chair: Does anybody have any comments?
Ms. Aiu: Well first of all I want to thank you for giving us this opportunity. I have been involved
in trying to review Act 55 so I am really happy to see that you have come before us and I
certainly do not want to give up any opportunity to review any historical document. Thank you
so much. I look at it like you and its very detailed. They put so much detail into this. I mean
down to the door knobs and the only reason that I did comprehend some of this is because I am
familiar with Randy's house and then my grandma doesn't have a house there but she had an old
house with all these door knobs and stuff. So it' s like you cannot miss though you know what I
mean, even though it's plenty you have to say I' m going to change this door knob and then you
go to the section on door knobs and they tell you exactly what' s there and then you try to find it,
etc. But what a document I am telling you. Thank you very much.
I am going to be comfortable in snaking a motion to. I like what you guys did in concept but I
hope I will get some backing here in making a motion to accept the concept. I just want to make
one more comment about indigenous plants cause I wear that hat too . I love indigenous plants
but there is kind of an indigenous plants Kokee only. You. know what I mean like plums they
gotta be there. Snow balls they gotta be there. There are certain plants when you go there that
says Kokee at least to me I don't know how everybody else feels about it and maybe that' s only
around the cabins or whatever.
Sol hope I can get the Commission to agree. I am going to move that we accept the doctunielits
in concept and with the caveat that we look forward to getting further comments irom YoUl'
committee. I certainly would not go against Mr. Souza who is mister knows all of Kokee and
work I have always admired.. You don't know but many times I have called , When I used to Work
for the Mayor, about those things. So thank you. So there the motion is out on the table.
Ms. Griffin: So it's been moved that the KHPRC accepts the document in concept and we will
wait to get the final document with any comments from the advisory committee. Is there a
second?
Mr. Wichman: Second.
Ms. Griffin: Thank you. Is there fufther discussion? I have a related question on this and that is
the time frame for getting the final design guidelines.
Ms. MacEldowney: It depends on how long it takes to have discussions with the County. I have
to talk with our AGs. Ian suggested that and 'it' s really Barbara Shideler that has to discuss with
the County cause I don't really understand the County building code process and then with
historic preservation and then we have to have that larger meeting which all of you are welcome
to come to with the lessees. Three months would be wonderful. I would like it to be wonderful
but three months would be nice.
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Ms. Griffin: Thank you. It' s been moved and seconded. There has been discussion. Further
discussion on the motion to accept in concept?
Ms. Sheehan : I raise my hand in yes.
Ms. Griffin: Didn't you declare a conflict of interest Patsy?
Ms . Sheehan: Yes.
Ms. Griffin: Do we have public input.
Mr. Mike Gushard : SHPD is waiting for this process before we can kind of solidify and then we
will cotnrlient on that.
Ms_ Gi ffin: Ok and I will turn the gavel back to our Chair.
Ms. Santos : Sorry I am having issues at work. My work was calling like 10 times . Sorry. All in
favor? (Unanimous voice vote.) Opposed? (None.) Al right thank you very much. Thank you for
coming we appreciate it.
Re: Certified Local Government (CLG) Grant Update
Re: Presentation by Mike Gushard, Architectural Historian/CLG Program
Coordinator, State Historih Preservation Division.
Note: Vice Chair Griffin chaired this portion of the meeting.
Ms Griffin : This is Mike Gushard the architectural historian for the CLG program with the State
Historic Preservation Division and on behalf of all of the KHPRC I formerly want to welcome
you here and tell you I hope that you come many times to share information with us and get
conversation back.
Mr. Mike Gushard: I am always glad to be here. This is my favorite place to be. It's my favorite
island. And I know you guys have verbatim minutes so I don't mind saying that. (Laughter in
background) . I say that everywhere I go so. Shall I do sort of brief overview of what the CLG
program?
Mr. Wichman: Get right to it.
Mr. Gushard: Ok I never wanna just start.
Ms. Griffin: Please go ahead and do it because we can't always assume that every defifiition we
agree on.
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Mr. Gushard: So the basis of the Certified Local Government Program is that it is a partnership
between the National Park Service, SHPOs, SHPDs, and local governments and the aim is to
Institutionalize historic preservation in local communities. And the way that it does th.<it is
through ordinance and commissions like yourselves and the kind of benefit to thilt is there is It
grunt available every year and that' s I think mostly what I talked about.
Mr. Wichman: And your latest correspondence out SHPD states that because froln the very
beginning. Kauai and Maui were the only two commissions that have been active here in Hawaii
for the last 20 years and that no other commissions at this particular point in time is scheduled
and slated to come online. That SHPD has returned to the old Maui you take for this year. Kauai
we take it here. That's in writing in your latest.
Mr. Gushard: Was that signed by the Administrator?
Mr. Wichman: Yes,
Mr. Gushard: Ok I see.
Mr. Wichman: So just to know where the latest correspondence from SHPD states that we are
going back to what did before between Maui and so this competition process is not applicable for
us here in Hawaii now.
Ms. Gushard: I didn't actually know that we had already delivered you guys the letter saying. We
had a discussion about it.
Mr. Wichman: It was one of the preliminary findings to Larry Oak' s recommendations .
Ms. Griffin: Myles did we. all get a copy of that?
Mr. Hironaka: No I didn't.
Ms. Sheehan: Did you get one Randy?
Mr. Wichman: I read a lot. (Laughter in background) .
Mr. Gushard: Like I said we did have, to the limit of my knowledge, we had a conversation
about it how we can make this program work here and the fact that the competitiveness is just
not going to work here.
Mr. Wichmaw So in that we are returning to what we have had all these years we are good to go.
We are back to where we were before and business as usual essentially when it comes down to
that. There is not a competition process between us. We share 'With everybody.
Ms. Griffin: Did you have more to your presentation?
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Mr. Gushar& I had a little more to my presentation. It was actually kind of a small, little additive
thing. I can't, because I trust that you received a letter, I can't go on record as saying that we are
going to the back and forth just because I have Maui to worry about. I haven't had a discussion
with Maui about the back and forth but something has to change. It can't be the competitive way.
Previously, the last time that I was here it seemed eminent that Big Island was going to come
into the program and there has been a reversal there unfortunately.
Mr. Wichman: And Oahu once and a while does and doesn't.
Mr. Gushard: Every time I talk about bringing Oahu in everyone just gets . . .
Ms. Griffin: So it looks like for the foreseeable future there may only be two CLGs in Hawaii .
Mr. Gushard: Right. Which I would say that' s 50 percent of our local governments say that,
that' s probably better than any other states . (Inaudible).
Ms. Sheehan: Can you explain a little bit more about the old days? I mean do we, is it our year?
We put in for money and this is Kauai' s year.
Mt. Gushard: You put in for money in 2012. Maui actually had a project. That project has since
been cancelled but this is your year.
Ms. Sheehan: And that only goes until 2013 .
Mr. Gushard: To the end of fiscal year 2013 so the end of September 2013 so roughly a year to
put together a contraction and hire someone and get the projects done.
Ms. Sheehan: I think six months ago we were saying that we were trying to figure out a way that
we could do it over a two year period so that we wouldn't get caught short.
Ms. Gushard: The grant it' s unfortunately it' s another reason it worked super well in Hawaii is
the grant goes over two years. The process of getting the financials in order to start the project
takes longer here than in other places so that eliminates a year out of your grant essentially.
That' s another thing within SHPD now that we have a little more staff we have been trying to
figure out how we can take care of that so that whenever we start a two year grant in Hawai'i
somewhere within a matter of months we are able to start the project and that will give the CLGs
more time to get the projects on.
Ms. Sheehan: Have you figured that oUt?
Mr. Gushard: We haven't figured that out.. It' s a complicated process with lots of moving pieces
so we just entered having discussions about that. We just finished our corrective action program
which had been taking a lot of our attention because we would' ve lost our Federal funding had
we not passed the cap. So it was kind of a priority so now that, that is being put to bed we can
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figure out how we could fix what we have and then get it working better especially with the new
staff that we have.
Ms. Sheehan: Sorry, it' s like real basic. So if we have $47,000 as I understand from 2012 to 2013
by September we are supposed to be finished with this project. If it' s not a competitive thing
does Maui get the money from 2013 to 2014 and then we don't get it again?
Mr. Gushard: I wasn't made, unfortunately, aware that, that' s what we were going to do . I would,
before about five minutes ago I would have welcomed you to put together an application for
2013 . But I am going to have to look into what. . . I am low man on the totem pole so . . .
Ms. Sheehan: We have been talking about trying to do a project you know with $47,000 and
maybe not starting till February and having to end in September and then maybe only getting a
very small scope of that bigger inventory project done and I guys I am asking whether we have
to wait a year. I mean is that the decided? Do we have to wait a year to get the money again.
Mr. Gushard: I don't know that. To the limit of my knowledge when I sat down in this chair nd
but since I sat down in this chair new information has been introduced to me. So I apologize that
I am not giving you know really precise answers.
Ms. Griffin: But Mike realistically for us to function legally as a Certified Local Government
Kauai has to perform certain duties and one is to have a commission. Another one is to keep an
inventory. So I guess I would like to expand on Patsy' s question are there, is the State Historic
Preservation Division in a position to help Kauai County find supplemental grants or resources
beyond this one avenue to go further with our inventory because we need to get one done.
Mr. Gushard: Right now we have new staff coming on all the time. Right now I think we are
hitting the limits of our abilities and once we get more people within the next year on I think
trying to help the Commission try to find grants would be something that we might be able to do .
I was telling Holly I am the CLG person. I am, the tax person. I am one of the 106 people. I deal
with 6E too . I sometimes feel guilty because I have responsibilities to the commissions to be of
assistance to you all and I sometimes feel like I don't have enough, there is not enough Mike to
be as much of assistance as I would like. So rxry answer would be you know that is something
that we definitely would like to do and I can't right now ptomise that, that is something we can
do.
Ms. Griffin: What states are you looking to/at for models of efficiency?
Mr. Gushard: We are so unique and it is difficult for me to describe our situation to other CLG
coordinators. I was just in Virginia at a conference and they had half of the CLG coordinates, a
little more than half and few of the coordinators who have been doing it for some time and
Megan Bran NPS ' s head of all of the CLGs and they sat me down and they were going to fix all
of our problems and so then I explained the situation and only having the two our maximum
(inaudible) incredibly unlikely and they kind of backed down and thought I don't know quite
how that would work. The big solution for the problem from their point of view was expansion. I
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was telling them don't focus on big cities, look for small towns. I kept saying we; don't have
towns that are independent as a government so we can't do that. So I think the closes
approximation we would have is Alaska. They have a functioning program but they have 16
CLGs.
Ms. Griffin: I guess what I was asking was in response to your comment about how
extraordinarily long it takes to get the budge through. Ohio has 41 and there still some kind of
way because it takes kind of long to go through the County too and I know that it is in our best
interest and the best interest of the State Historic Preservation Division for us to do a really
fabulous job of this inventory but when the actual work get' s compressed into an unrealistic time
period because the State bureaucracy and the County bureaucracy have need that much work
time than things are kind of turned on their heads . So that' s really if you all had indentified some
model for getting things through more efficiently.
Mr. Gushard: We don't have a model based on another state. We have a theoretical idea of what
we want which is where we could encumber the money ahead of time to mpve the process
forward with the County faster because we don't find out about the Federal appropriation for
what the money is until way after we should be finding out. So it makes it difficult for us to take
on that amount. So what we will do is guess hopefully starting in 2014 what our appropriates
would be, encumber that money so that the when the counties apply and are approved on their
projects they can get it a lot faster.
Mr. Hironaka: And just of the Commission' s information Mike and I even looked at seeing if we
can use the CLG funding to hire someone to work in the department to do the inventory. I think
he found that the National Park Service said that, that is not something we can do. So we tried to
look at other ways of doing the project and unfortunately it came back to the conventional way
of hiring a consultant.
Mr. Wichman: That issue was explored over and over but even years ago to it was always an
intention that the County hire an }xistoric preservation division. There has always been budget
requirements, that discussion has always been out there.
Ms. Santos: I thought Mike (Dahilig) got that approved on this last budget from the County
Council that Mike put in right?
Ms. Griffin: For a preservation planner? That is something in November we should talk about.
Mr. Wichman: We can try again next year.
x%11,,11ironaka: I was saying we were just looking at a way that we could use tl e fiuiclitr�; mclrr
like :Firing a person I think we can get more product for that money and perhaps in a faster liil�r
too . Those are the parameters that we have to work with.
Ms. Sheehan: Mike is there any 'information that you could go back and get back to us in a timely
fashion about, I guess we were thinking grants to maybe tie us over but if that' s not something
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you can help us with right away just what is the process, I guess for my education, if we get
$47,000 that ends in 2013 then what? We are this far into the inventory do we ask you right
again or do we start now to ask for more money but we really are not going to get that money
because it's going to Maui. Could you fill us in that kind of stuff.
Mr. Gushard: Ok and I apologize but I keep making this clarification but just because I was not
made privy to everything that is going on so I can't guaranty that the money is going to go to
Maui. So you know there is maybe a sliver of possibility that you can apply for more money next
year.
Chair: Why can't we just plan on applying? Why don't we just. . .
Ms. Sheehan: I was just asking wherever he needs to go to maybe research that for us and let us
know and if we can we should.
Ms. Santos : I think we should either way.
Ms. Sheehan: Well it' s time and effort. If the next group of money is definitely going to Maui we
know that then we can time ourselves better because this is very short.
Mr. Gushard: the original, when I was here back in march, it' s been too long you know the
commission had decided that the County wide survey was the way to go and I remember
discussions back then about it. It being a phased process so you know it's not too terrible that its
phased. and not everything will get done. I do know that it' s compressed and it was going to be
done in some years.
Ms. Sheehan: I think we were talking earlier and we actually hire someone and we have about
six months to work and we could just incrementally keep that person and can get educated and
trtiined and then only six months it could be really good if that person could continue . 1 think
that' s just timing that we need. We might not know that Maui needs X amoum o1' dollars bel'a► rr
you know that.
Mr. Gushard : At this juncture Maui is not approaching us specifically about any projects or
anything.
Mr. Wichman: It' s important to keep in mind that this County has not received any funds since
Melanie Chmen.
Mr. Gushard: Yes it' s been a while .
Mr. Wichman: Do you know how many years that is?
Mr. Gushard: 2008 was the last time you got $1 , 800.
Ms . Santos: Wow that's some big bucks right there. (Laughter in the background) .
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Mr. Wichman: And then you look at the 20 years before that. I think it' s clear that the County of
Kauai has been committed to this commission since the beginning footing the bill all the way
through. It has been very careful in the way we do our verbatim minutes and things like that and
has definitely accepted the responsibility of a CLG yet brought it into their own house, in to their
own budgets and I just wanted to make that clear. We have not received any funding since
Melanie Chinen but we know Maui has.
Ms. Santos: Before we continue I have to apologize I have to leave cause I am having issues at
work. Thank you for coming. Sorry you guys for all of my interruptions today, very, very sorry.
Ms. Griffin: From your admittedly relatively new position do you have comments about how you
see us working or Maui wonting and how we can be more CLG excellent?
Mr. Gushard: CLG excellent pertaining to the use of the grant or . . .
Ms. Griffin: No, no operations. I now around there some places have regulatory commissions.
Some are advisory like ours. You know just in the world of CLG how do you see a model CLG
working?
%1t�,�_Citlshard.: You know it' s been, I think and in the year that I have been here it' s Dell
interesting to see how especially how especially one of the things of I want to talk about and kind
of discuss it formerly with you is in most places in the Continental United States the SI.1P0
doesn't deal with local issues unless there is federal (inaudible) they manage the 106 process.
The do surveys. When it comes to particularly private property they have little to no involvement
and that was the purpose of the CLGs to create some entity that would monitor development and
use of historic resources on the local level . We have Chapter 63 , 10, and 42 and so we have this
kind of unusual relationships with our CLGs where we kind of do a redundant set up jobs where
we both comment on.
One of the things that I wanted to talk about while I was here is about what that process looks
like on your side. What exactly you are reviewing so that I can figure out how we can dovetail
our efforts and make the review process pertaining to 6E and even National Register
nominations, that' s something you folks should be commenting on. I don't know if you guys are
commenting on that and 106 process. I don' t have any goal standards or anything that have been
applied to us because we have that kind of unusual situation. I have been, the last week or so,
looking for other States that have something approaching 6E that kinds of expands this.
Mr. Wichman: And also to keep in mind the tribal historic preservation which is probably a
closer model of what needs to studied.
Mr. Gushard: Some of the THPOs actually have CLGs within them.
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Mr. Wiehman: Oh yes there are certain individuals within the tribal historic preservation division
that are very good and like I recommended to Larry Oaks take a good look at Alan Downer in
Arizona. That' s a model that, that can be compared with it and added to the Hawaii equation.
Ms. Griffin: In you discussion the duplication with SHPD and KHPRC both commenting on
building b on Main Street, that seems to be shifting a little. The model previously was we wait
for SHPD to comment and then we respond but that State response trumped our response. It
sounds like over the last year or so that shifted a little bit. Can you talk at all about that and what
expectations are form the State stand point?
.Ma*,, Gushard: And you know, that is largely a product of Angie and 1 brought li•ocn 0111
Continental U.S . and understanding the way CLGs work in that environment and thinking well
we have local CLG that know everything that' s going on and we have slightly more authority
than they do it's not right for us to kind of shadow the recommendations of- people on the g1•otln(i
and knowing that the CLGs are goal standard of local preservation we' d like to kind of create a
process and I think it will take a while where the Commission will comment on something. We
will find out about it through some kind of system and that would influence our 6E comment.
Then like I said that as one thing that I would like to talk about today whether it' s a certificate of
appropriateness. I don't know if that is something that you have done in the past or some other
form that says that this is official what the Commission finds here you go SHPD and we would
take that (inaudible).
Ms. Griffin: If that is going to be the case what kinds of training for local CLG commissioners is
the State planning to commit to?
Mr. Gushard: Well you are going down my list of things to tails about. That was actually
something that I will throw back at you. I may have a little bit of a budget to do trainings and that
was something I wanted to talk to you about specifically if there are things you feel you need
training in that I can kind of direct you too. I know that the National Alliance of Historic
Preservation Commission has their speaker bureau. We can have someone come out and speak to
a specific topic but I wouldn't want to dictate to you what you need. You know what you would
like. So are there specific topics that you think, that conversation doesn' t have to be at this
meeting.
Mr. Wichman: There will always need the prerequisites because over the years we have new
commissioners that come on board that haven't had the luxury that we had umpteen years ago in
going to Honolulu and receiving it and going to all the workshops. We had a chance to be a part
of that and go through. However, I think as new commissioners come on board it kind of needs
to be a mandatory thing for new commissioners to go through this basic level training you know
Department of Interior Standards, 106E, all of that just to get the familiarity of the language
itself.
Mr. Gushard: There are two things one the $47,000 project budget and I believe $3 ,000 training
budget I was going to ask if you established what that training was going to be.
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M a, l Ii ronaka: Not yet.
Mr. Wichman: Yes so the next 106 training off you go . And then the next Chapter 6E review or
whatever it is you know those kinds of things. Most of those happens on Oahu and so we always
have commissioners that need the review or get introduced to that subject.
Mr. Gushard : And then the second thing is I have been in kind of the preliminary stages of
planning for sometime in fiscal year 2013 to have kind of a community training session about the
basics of preservation and the commissioners would obviously be invited to that but anyone
would be invited. You know they could learn about 106 and the register and the commission. So
I mean that is no necessary training that is specially geared toward the commission but kind of a
more general training.
Ms. Griffin: There is an ongoing need as Randy said you know we have three year appointments.
We can get appointments , We can get reappointed for another three year's and come on after a
year so there is this revolving door even with commissioners who have been for quite a long time
it' s always worth getting trained, retrained on how to approach the question that building b on
Main Street you know they want to put up an addition and how do we judge that. What are the
character defining features that we all you know how do we approach what changes are copasetic
with the historic structure and what are not approved and I think how do you keep personal taste
out of it in fulfilling the Secretary Standards and that seems more cut and dry than it actually
ever is and I think that there is often insecurity about how to judge these projects that come up
before the commission. So I think that real basic nitty-gritty is always worth going through and
re-upping on.
Mr. Wichman: Your architectural branch chief.
Mr. Gushard: Angie Westfall.
Mr, Wichman: It would be nice if she would put on a little day seminar of which our commission
and Maui comes together with the architectural branch chief and have us a day. I think we 'can all
benefit from that. I think we could use that. Now we cat! discuss other things but I think at that
point you know let us just begin with the architecture branch chief doing a one day seminar. That
way we can get to know the person essentially who signs (inaudible). As a CLG commissioners
we can enter into a different relationship with this branch chief.
Ms. Griffin: Myles? Patsy?
Ms. Sheehan: I would like some training in understanding the whole process that comes out of
getting CLG funds just you know what the federal fiscal year is and how we can be on top of that
you know and maybe that is in conjunction with County because the County has to do certain
things like go out for a consultant. I mean just a timeline so that we are excited to get the money
and then we realize that we have a minute and a half to spend it. I think if we are aware of that
we talk about it a lot be we haven't really nailed down our priorities and writing job description
based on how much time we have and I don't know if that can be done.
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Mr. Gushard: I will make it a priority when I get back to work on getting a timeline to you about
how that all works. I apologize when I came here the first time I didn't realize the process was so
onerous. I knew what the CLG program as. I knew the kind of 30,000 foot level on how it was
supposed to work. I was stoked when I sat down and thought ok they want to do a project. We
are going to give them 50 grand for the project and then there was delay after delay . I was getting
anxious about what was going on and it was a steep learning curve for me about how that process
worked.
Ms. Sheehan: We Inight need a few hundred thousands of dollars if it can be institutionalized to
some degree and then some of us rotate off at least the next person that comes along we as a
commission can keep the momentum going.
Mr. Gushard: I will create a timeline of how it works now and then I will work with Randolph
who deals with the money part section of the CLG program at SHPD to create a timeline on how
we are hoping to make it work starting in 2014 . Fiscal year starts in October.
Ms. Griffin: That would be great and perhaps that could be a part of the day training that would
include the more basic thing. Is, given the national environment, is there any indication that this
program may lose its funding federally?
Mr. Gushard: SHPD or CLG?
Ms. Griffin: CLG.
Ms. Gushard: There is always discussions about it happening but there is no specific threat to the
Certified Local Government Program and discussion with people at NPS you know there is
always rumblings of this happening or that happening but as far as I know there is no specific
attempt to that section of the budget. I think they realize, they are coming to a point where they
realize that it maybe some things need to be change about how the program works because we
have our different loyalties which are very unique to Hawaii but all of the facility coordinators
that I interact with it didn't seem to quite work the way it' s supposed to anyway. It' s a fairly old
program. The program is older than I am.
Mr. Wichman: (Inaudible) the monies you receive yearly from the feds. So essentially that
number goes up and down every year. Ten percent of the federal budget at the State Historic
Preservation is received from the feds. That's what constitutes CLG is that ten percent.
Ms. Griffin.: Myles I think you had a question.
Mr. Hironaka: Well it was more something that I wanted to discuss based on some of the
statements that Mike made. I concur with the discussion about training. That is why one thing
that we always try to do in our grant to State and on to National Parks Service we always try to
put some kind of training component in the funding that we ask for.
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I just wanted to go back to the statement that Mike made about possibly overlapping functions
between the State and the KHPRC and this kind of like goes before you and even before me as
far as how this system was set up. I think if you look at the ordinance the ordinance specifies that
of this board this commission there is to be a minimum of six disciplines involving like
architecture, historian, archeology, and so forth and then where it says that if you are not able to
have that expertise within the County you are to get that from the State.
So there was an agreement made before you and I you know in setting up this program I think
there was an understanding that there would be this expertise provided to the County wherever
we needed that besides your responsibility through 6E I think there was also an agreement made
that there would be training and also some expertise on the review of historic buildings and stuff
like that. Now we do have architects here but you know you can never guarantee that they will
always be the expertise available to serve on the commission.
Ms. Aiu: Archaeologist.
Mr. Hironaka: Archaeologist correct. So I think Nancy McMahon that was a staff person
attended almost every KHPRC meeting. So I just wanted to give you that.
Mr. Wichman: And then which of course right now you are reassigning the archeological branch
chiefs on the different islands. So you have assigned new ones but yet this island is still, no one
has been assigned to this island yet. When is that intended?
Mr. Gushard: That is at the level of whoever said we are going back and forth.
Mr. Wichman: Like Myles just that we have had a close working relationship with the
archaeology branch chief here within this commission and we miss it, We need that expertise.
Mr. Gushard: I will definitely, that will be one of the first things when I get back tom6rrow that
is something that you guys would like to sere.
Ms. Griffin: And as you are checking on that I attended a meeting in December of 2010 and the
presentation from Larry Oaks and so forth and the Director was saying at the time that there is a
big push within SHPD, one of their goals is to have things online and accessible and at the very
first thing that they were going to do was the Kauai archeological study since we don't have
access to that anymore since there is no office her. So if you can check on that.
Mr. Wichman: They just hired a librarian and other. I know they need that library because we
have over 500 studies generated since 1911 on this island alone. That's not including state wide
just for this island. Different studies that' s been done. We haven't had access to it. No one has
had access to that in a while. Not even in the archeology community but within the CLG
program. But we are getting off track. These are all things/tools that we once had and no longer
have access too. It would be nice to have.
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Mr. Long: If you can be patient with me but I have some basic personal information gathering
questions. So I understand the ten percent of the federal budget and that was $47,000 is it ground
that each year?
Mr. Gushard: It is. It trends up slightly over time and in the past five years it' s been in the
$50,000 range. The amount for the 2012 year is $50,484. That' s what we had and probably will
have the next year.
Mr. Lon : So if this is a two year application process .
Mr. Gushard: The grant is theoretically supposed to be executed over two years but it tales a
year for the process of getting the contract signed.
Mr. Lon-: 4k so the $47,000 that we are supposed to get for the inventory that is spent by
September 2013 . When is the earliest that you can apply for the next year?
Mr. Gushard: You know you can, once the previous fiscal year closes you can apply at any time
and we can go back and forth you know and the specifics of making the application good the
drop dead date is in April.
Mr. Long: The drop dead date is April of dais year for the following year?
Mr. Gushard: Yes.
Mr, Long: Has there been any year when the CLG grant money hasn't gone to Maui or Kauai?
Mr. Gushard: There was a year recently and I have only been here a year so I don't have a great
deal of institutional memory. There was a year recently where Kauai wanted to do a project and
wasn't able to and that year they entered $ 1 ,800 for training and so the money went unofficially
through Kauai to the Historic Hawai'i Foundation to put on a training about CLGs .
Mr. Long: As a business person I understand the reciprocity with Maui. If Maui hasn't indicated
that they were going to apply for a grant why don't we just apply for a grant and see where the
cards fall?
M1;. Jiclan�an: IIe has to verify the latest correspondence.
,M_. i Iron : Yes but even if there is this understanding of back and forth Maui hasn' t indicated
that they have a project. April is corning up pretty quick you know as a business person I would
like to shop on this option, that option. You know gee I got this as a possibility over here. /apply
for a grant maybe Maui will go a Kauai it looks like they need something to do .
Mr. Wichman: A general trend would be every other year. When it gets complicated even if it is
a two year process.
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Mr. Long: But given the fact that we didn't get our money every other year than why not put in
our application and say hey we didn't get it for a couple years and now we have a project over
here.
Ms. Griffin: Myles as our staff person what would you have to say about pulling together an
application for the 2014 fiends?
Mr. Hironaka: Well what' s in my mind is the current contract and funding that we have and how
far that will get us . Then sort of like you know if we can ask for the same amount of funding to
complete that or if in fact it goes like three quarters you only need like half a month to finish then
it becomes a question of aside from training what other projects would we consider doing? So I
think that would be one of the questions. I don't think, I am not sure, but we have to check with
both the State and our procurement officer if we can, how would you say, the current contract
that I create if it can be on a continuing basis if additional funds are available or it may have to
be a new contract or a separate contact. I am not sure if I can do it of a multiyear type of a
contract unless we initially advertise it and made it as such. So those are things that we have to
look at as far as looking at the next; but we can try and snake the request. I am just not sure if it
can be general for inventory and training. I am not sure if we have the latitude to phange the
project if we find we need to do something else.
Ms. Aiu: We kind of figured it out today that we wouldn't have enough money and we also
wanted to get it online. That is a whole other process.
Ms. Griffin: If there is no other objection from the Commission I would like to ask Myles to
pursue how we can begin the process for part b of the inventory because I think the commission
over the past several months, since 1904, has been anxious to bring our inventory up to date Wed
as il.nie after time I did apply that as the priority . for us going Future with I:hc Hands
no-tMthstr=ding having a partial fund all the time for training.
Mr. Hironaka: Mike would there be an official call for projects?
Mr. Gushard: Just because there was just the two, I haven' t done it in the year I have been there
but I can do it when I get back.
Mr. Lon : That' s my nature of my next question which is the phasing. Now $47,000!$50,000
isn't enough to finish this inventory so what' s the total scope of the project and how many
$50,000 phases are there?
Mr. Wiehman: In the past normally we hire Mason Architect or Cannier.
Ms. Griffin: I don't think we can answer that question at this point. Request for qualifications are
about to go out for this particular chunk of inventory and Myles will be negotiating with the
consultant to get a sense of how much it will cost per structure or however it ends up being done
but at this stage I don't think we can answer that. \
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Mr. Long: W611 not right now but that would be a goad thing to know that we have this project
it' s going to come down to three $50,000 phases and where are the phases. Is it by town? Is it by
priority of structure?
Ms. Griffin: The P I G was just discussing that.
Ms. Sheehan: We came in early today.
Ms. Aiu: So first of all I know that you wanted to serve on the P I G committee and we are only
allowed so many people and I thank you very much for that because you do have good
knowledge for us thank you. There are 518 entities on this paper some are objects, some are
towns, and so if you take $47,000 isn't that much. The person got to all over and look I also
wanted color photographs next time too . I cannot answer your question how many $47 .000 cause
we are kind of going over that today cause I don't know how many there are. 500 into $47,000 is
how much? You know is it like ten dollars per place?
Mh...Shechan.: That list is from 1998 so the historicness of 2012 that we hrive not kept up �011r .
Wo have stopped at 1998 so some of, a lot of that list needs to be called anyway because some nt,
them are gone but in addition to that 500 there is everything that has happened then till noNv
which is huge.
Mr. Lon s?: Are the inventory but that' s an existing inventory. We know that they are
Ms. Aiu: But our goal is to update this inventory like she said.
Mr. Long: But is the goal to add to this inventory?
Mr. Wichman: Yes there is 15 years of. . .
Mr. Long: And also chip away at this one?
Ms. Aiu: So we know two $47,000 we could use that and then we are going to have to figure out
from there.
Mr. Wichman: We could probably off the top 200 structures easy.
Ms. Sheehan: And that is just for Lilru'e.
Mr. Long: In addition to the new structures .
Ms. Sheehan: And we were talking about cultural landscapes as well cause I know Kuulei was
culture and that but we have heiau like the Pohoku one that came before us. It' s not on the list at
all . So it's definitely historic. It' s definitely cultural. That archeological side of it is you know
maybe we don't have enough time for that. It' s a little bit more sensitive isn't it and we might
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find a burial in there too . So that' s not our kuleana. There is a new update on Lllu'e town they
may suggest that we start there.
Ms. Griffin: And as you probably know there were two development plan, district development
plan updates that are going to be starting in the fullness of time and so that' s one possibility but
there actually another part one which is looking at building b on Main Street and the second part
P
s how all that is going to get documented and be more accessible than it' s been in the past and
those; costs are also uncertain at this point.
M1_. Wichman: I think at this point I think you can see that this commission really wants to get
this building inventory updated and moving on so whatever it is that takes in the long terns
phasing it' s a priority of this commission to complete this and get up to date. Whether it takes
one, two, three, four sessions to do it so be it. That's what we are going to do and complete it and
then there is other things that need to happen whether it' s side by side or we can move on those
once we have agreed to update our inventory. Anything built in ' 62 is now eligible.
Ms. Griffin: That seems so recent.
Mr. Wichman: That doesn't mean that everything built in ' 62 was historically important. So you
can see how this get' s narrowed down. I think we are all on that list at this time.
Ms. Griffin: And since you have been going to Maui and to our CLG meeting I understand that
Maui meets at the same time as we do . They have a different naive that we do and that is
something that has come up With us on whether historic encompasses our rich cultural heritage
and obviously that would entail a ordinance change but it is something that we' re reviewing. Do
you have any comments on how the light of the name is holding up as States is very similar to
our County one.
Mr. Gushard: Not per say. If you are going to change it you are going to have to change the
ordinance. I do think that being a graduate of an historic program, I guess it' s been a year now,
there is more focus on intangible bits of history and processes that happen as opposed to
touchable things. So you know its touchable things. So you know it wouldn't be bad. Your
current name is historic though. I mean you have always had it.
Ms. Griffin: Yes indeed. As is yours. (Laughter in the background). So following from that the
difference is with Maui, Maui as I understand has a preservation planner. Do you work with that
person at all and how can we look cause we talk about it every year. What is your feeling about
having a preservation planner in place within the County structure?
Mr, Gushard: It's fantastic. There were several years where Kauai didn't get any money and I
think in part was because there was a person in the County whose whole job was- preservation.
Maui was there gobbling up and doing projects and doing good in the computer because there
was someone whose sole purpose was preservation and having gone to the meeting I think it' s
useful in the absence of having a SHPD person talking about character defining features but it' s a
great thing to have you know.
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Ms. Griffin: Other questions?
Ms. Aiu: It' s just a comment about training. So I really love the 106 training that I went to and I
hope you get to go because I have been with the commission since the ` 80s and I am still
learning new things. So like she said you can review and learn some more things. The CLG the
one on Maui I learned a lot of things there and I think you can find some CLG information In
that book about how the process goes. They gave us with Historic Hawaii a small little
workshop that was about the architecture and Lzhu'e. Do you remember that one? You spoke at
that one too .
Ms. Griffin: Yes.
Ms. Aiu: And so you go the big picture the 106, the CLGs but then you have these little
opportunities to learn about your own town which is sometimes I think (inaudible) or like he
suggested your architect person could come for a day and tell us more things. We kind of depend
on, now we have Steve but.
Mr. Wichman: It's cheaper bring her here.
Ms. Aiu: Yes plus it makes us look at what' s in our own town. So I really like your folks idea
about that. I was very happy last year to attend the County, your folks Planning Commission and
I was very disappointed that none of us I don't anyone was offered. I sure wasn't offered an
opportunity to attend. It is always a learning experience and it also gives us the developers mind
set cause then you know ok this is what I don't want the developer to do and I heard him say
that. So besides only learning history stuff you learn what' s going on. What are people in the
development world think about historic stuff.
So I wanted to just mention those things that it might have to be it could be money for occasions
that go on and then we also were invited, I think we might have got that free from Randy and his
wife the archaeology conference which happened to be on our island and that was wonderful too.
So some training can be for things are already planned and going on yea. Thank you.
Ms . Griffin: Anything else? Well thank you Mike I hope you will come and. be with us really
frequently.
Mr. Gushard: I am told that I should be able to come a little bit more frequently which I think it
would be better for ine.
Mr. Hironaka: Would it help if we wrote a letter to your boss.
Ms. Aiu: Did you cover everything that you wanted to?
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Mr. Gushard: I actually had one more question and this is kind of a daft question so deal with me
I apologize. Specifically what do you guys review. I didn't have a chance to review the
ordinance when I came in. I remember things better when I kind of talk about things?
Mr. Hironaka: Can I work with him?
Mr. Wichman: Yea, it will be really educational.
Mr. Gushard: There does need to be, but maybe everything is fine the way the SHPD interacts
with the commission from a review and compliance stand point but at some point in the fixture it
might be a nice to have a conversation about figuring out exactly what to do. We have a lot of
new people at SHPD who haven' t been here to know how things work.
Ms. Griffin: That would be really, I think very helpful as the relationships evolve because like
you said it used to be very much we waited you know the letter and responded in kind and my
sense both nationally and with the state is that the local folks on the ground do know more about
what it is so how that relationship is working I think is worth a discussion; and we look forward
in having you back in time. Thank you.
Res Appointment of investigative committee members and discussion to scope tasks for
an investigative committee to identify properties for nomination to the State and
National Register of Historic Places. Once formed and the tasks completed, the
investigative committee will present its findings to the Commission in a duly noticed
meeting for decision-making.
Ms. Griffin: The next task item is appointment of investigative committee members and
discussion to scope tasks for an investigative committee to identify properties for nomination to
the State and National Register of Historic Places. Is someone willing to chair that and another
commissioner or two be part of that?
Mr. Lon I would be interested in doing that.
Mr. Jung: You guys can have technically up to four.
Ms. Griffin: Unfortunately some of us are already pigging away. (Laughter in background).
Randy do you want to be?
Mr. Wichman : There is I don't really need to get into discussion of it all. The history of it where
it is this whole program has been and where it is today, the misconception of this program and
the minds of not only the community but with the government itself It' s a new era. It' s a new
time. There are difficulties when you mention the federal. Today in this day and age as soon as
you say the federal this in peopled mind they immediately assume its federal interjection. It' s
federal involved in their own land and we all know that it isn't cause we have been through the
thing before and it isn't. Essentially it' s just a piece of paper that says that the federal
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government recognizes this property as being irxiportant and you are thereby eligible to apply for
these grants over here but as a stroke of a pen it' s the power of a piece of paper that essentially is
only saying that the federal government recognizes it is historically important to Ameridan
history.
In most people's minds and in my experience in dealing with all of this yes within a Native
Hawaiian community right now that you mention a certain site or a landmark or anything is
going on to a state and federal list all the flags are blown and I understand that within the
Hawaiian community. However I was absolutely shocked that the real issues was not within
what the community, the Hawaiian community, is viewing this as taken. It is within branches
that I heard the same attitude over there.
So today because of the federal intervention, the people' s minds it is a very difficult subject and
after years of saying it over and over it' s just a stroke of the paper. Federal does not give the
right to intervene or interfere and on and on. It' s just I personally have better things and more
important things to do in that particular time in regards to the federal bits. State no. however
without the feds (inaudible). However I am just saying it' s a difficult time right now because of
the assumption of the federal take over and I bought into so many times already I am done.
Ms. Griffin: So if there is no objection I would like to continue this particular item, C.2 .b., on
next month's agenda because I have a feeling that we are all just too tired to participate in the
way we should but please I appI<<tud you and expect you to remain on the list for reviewing the
State and National Register and how we are going to fulfill that role as KHPRC.
Ms. Aiu: And we will. This doesn't mean that we are not going to do State and National . We will
do it as a body.
Mr. Wichman: Then that just makes it a political climate has changed and therefore one really
must have a philosophical discussion over the overall intention of the programs and this whole
education piece that needs to go with it. So it' s essentially we need too . . . times are changing.
Ms. Aiu: And I hear you and I had some governmental people tell me about the feds and you
know I have seen the government media (inaudible).
Mr. Wichman: That just ended it for me.
Ms. Aiu: But what I am saying is that, that' s our role.
Mr. Wichman: Yes but yet its (inaudible).
Ms. Aiu: Yes but not paper. To review it, we are still going to have to review it as a group. We
don' t have to dorm a P I G if we don't want to.
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. _rki_n, True enough and I'd like to pi.it that on the agenda for next rnontki so that Svc cfi1s
review it. We focused so much today on the inventory and looking at the general P I G that 1
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think that we will be clearer next month because that process of recognizing sites is an important
one for us to review and be aware o£
Ms . Aiu: And one more piece to that. I am sorry putting the horse before the cart. I think that
after we do our inventory, then that might be a time to look at ok we have done our inventory.
What on there do we want to recommend for National Register if we do? So that' s just another
piece ok.
Ms. Griffin: Ok thank you.
NEW BUSINESS
Re: Letter (9/12/12) from Glenn T. Kimura, President, Kimura International, Inc.
requesting input/consultation in accordance with the National Historic Preservation
Act, Section 106 on the Lydgate Park to Kapa`a Bike/Pedestrian Path (Phases
C&D), Waipoulii, Kawaihau District, Kauai, TMK: [4] 4-MOI , 002, and 007:
various W County of Kauai, Department of Public Works.
Chair: Do you want to talk about Hanalei?
Mr. Maunakea Trask: No .
Chair: Are you cutting in line?
Mr. Trask: I would like to yes.
Chair: Well let me just check on that hold on just a minute where are you.
Mr. Trask. I would just like to say I am sorry. Deputy County Attorney Maunakea Trask for the
record. I wanted to make this request prior to the meeting but I was late. I apologize. I would just
like to, and this is at your discretion Chair, I would like to know if it would be possible to take
item l) . 1 . out of order and the reason why is because I was working very closely with the Nalive
Fbiwallan Protocol Committee as well as Cheryl Lovell-Obatake who is currently leading lltu
Section 1. 06 process on the Lydgate Park to Kapa` a Bike and Pedestrian Path Phases C & l:) and I
have to go and staff the Liquor Commission at 4:00 so I was wondering if 1. could just do a short
presentation, avail myself to any questions you may have and then I could leave not delaying t17y
other commission.
Chair: Does anybody from the audience, . .
Mr. Wichman: Are you guys ok with us moving this ahead of you Rally?
Ms. Holly McEldowney: I am ok.
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Mr. Wichznaw You promise to keep it short?
Mr. Trask: I will.
Ms. McEldowney: We are fine.
Mr. Trask: So it will be just myself and Glenn.
Ms. Griffin: Before you start I would ,just like to announce to the Commission that although my
husband has no financial interest in the Kauai Path he is secretary of that nonprofit organization
so without having financial compensation from him I feel comfortable reviewing this but I did
want you to know that there is that association.
Chair: Ok on to new business.
Mr. Trask: I would like to go over briefly the legal overview.
Chair: You want to introduce your partner real fast.
Mr. Trask: This is Mr. Glenn Kimura from Kimura International. He is our consultant for this
project.. So what currently, in short the Lydgate to Kapa` a Beach Bike Path was examined in the
past and the results of the environmental assessment in 2007 where they went before OEQC,
they went through the entire public hearing process, and the document was pronw1gated. acid
tViOA was entered in to and the path was planned and the route was laid out. At that tltnc tliottgh
t11C County was working on another portion of the path and then focus on Wailua area was going
to Start right there and then our course changed and went to another supplemental process to re••
invite comment because there was a lot of concerns in the Wailua area specifically puttlag ( ivC
path well on top of the sand.
The Mayor Bernard Carvalho thought there was a lot of community concern about this and so we
went back and looked at the issues and did another supplemental 106 process and therefore that
portion of the path had been moved down to the State DOT right of way. Subsequent to that
some other opportunities came up more toward the Waipouli area specifically Coconut Market
Place along the coast whereby two large hotel developments were now slated to be in
construction. Part of the requirements of their permit was they needed to provide lateral beach
access along the shoreline in front of their development. Given that opportunity my
understanding is that the County and consultants wanted to look at what was identified in this
map for illustration purposes its phases C & D.
The current path of the bike path goes along the new cantilevered bridge and then the State DOT
right of way along Papaloa Road. It was set to terminate at the Coconut Market Place on the side
of the old theater and then from Papaloa Road where it meets Kuhi` o Highway go mauka and
along the bypass road area mauka of the highway behind Fernandez Road and Kapa` a Canal then
behind Waipouli Town Center and Foodland along down the canal and then move again north.
This leg, phase C, up until approximately the Courtyard and Coconut Beach Marriott was a leg
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that went there and didn't continue or connect on to Papaloa Road. Beginning this development
was the possibility of connecting this area going makai. Now with the spirit of 106 we wanted to
bring that to the community again through a supplemental BA and then further go through the
process.
Now in doing that and acknowledging a lot of the problems the County has had with 106
consultation in the past we wanted to avoid that and have more culturally appropriate process
and a more culturally appropriate process. A more open process that was accessible to the
community and so the County and the consultants worked closely with the Native Hawaiian
community to address these concerns. As a basic overview as you are aware Section 106 of the
National Historic Preservation Act requires Federal agencies or projects utilizing Federal funds
to take into the account the affects of their undertakings on historic properties and for the
Advisory Council on Historic Preservation a reasonable opportunity to comment on such
unde-rt(akings.
Now Section 106 itself does not say much other than that it is a very general statement of law in
a paragraph saying you shall consult with. The procedures in 36CFR, Part 800, the Protection 01*
Historic Properties specifically define how federal agencies meet this statutory responsibilittcS ,
36CFR, Part 800 is a very detailed document. It goes through the four step process which is
essentially first, to identify historic properties; second, assess the undertakings of the affects on
those properties; third, seek ways to avoid minimize, mitigate an adverse affects on the historic
properties; and fourth, to resolve those affects if any.
Also use of 36CFR, Part 800 it doesn't provide a specific road map . It just provides what steps
need to be taken. It allows flexibility in order to accomplish the consultation process however,
the lack of specificity does make it difficult to work with sometimes especially when you
consider the importance of the document in consulting on United States, Continental United
State, Native American Tribal Nations, and in Hawaii which again doesn't have any Federal
recognized nations or tribes and the Hawaiian people themselves are not Federally recognized as
an indigenous people.So in Hawaii the parameters and rules in 36CFR, Part 800 they take on a
different characters because Hawaiian organizations are not very formalized. There is a
multitude of them. There is a lot of chiefs in the kingdom right now you could say.
So in order to do this Kimura International recommended and the County pursued consultation
with Native Hawaiian Protocol Committee. This committee was comprised of various esteemed
members of Native Hawaiian community including but not limited to Sharon Pomroy, Cheryl
Lovell-Obatake, Kumu Nathan Kalama, Beverly Muraoka, Barbara Say. Representatives from
OHA Kaliko Santos, Aunty Liberta Albao, etc. You kind of get the drift. And so what was
decided in that process was that the 106 process leaded to be more culturally appropriate. The
need to accommodate more and the need to allow Hawaiians to take a more meaningful,
participate more meaningful in the process and they wanted to feel that they are involved more
than just being provided the information and asking for something in return.
So what happened was that after a lot of discussion Cheryl Lovell-Obatake, it was decided, I am
sorry, that the best way to conduct the 106 process for this particular section, supplemental phase
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C & D EA, was to follow the hooponopono process that has been part of the Native Hawaiian
Culture since the beginning of time. The hooponopono process itself is a formal process, the
Native Hawaiian culture that essentially a family solves its problems. That' s how it' s dealt with .
Tlie hooponopono process itself is different between families, different between dif1e1e1it ishjnds ,
cfiff.c.rent districts within the island. So the committee thought the best process to if>llow wait flW
100ponopono process described by Mary Kawena Pukui in her book Nana I Ke Kumu. She is
recognized culturally, academically, and legally as an expert in Native Hawaiian culture . So we
thought it would be best to use her product.
After much discussion, Cheryl Lovell-Obatake acting as interim hoo of the Section 106, Lydgate
Park to Kapa` a Bike Pedestrian Path Hawaiian Protocol and Preparation Committee made the
following findings and I would Pike to submit these are part of the record. But in essence they say
the following, the lack of formal recognition of the Native Hawaiian Government puts Native
Hawaiians at a disadvantage in regards to Section 106 Consultation Process. Members of Native
Hawaiian organizations have many other duties and obligations and unlike your Native Hawaiian
tribal counterparts , Native Hawaiiar�ts commonly do not hold a position in their respective Native
Hawaiian organizations. Native Hawaiian voluntarily avail themselves to the Federal Section 106
Consultation process out of love and aloha for the aina, their culture, and their traditions and
therefore should be treated with the upmost deference and respect. It goes on to say essentially
what I just told you that the best way to accommodate these goals is to engage in a formal
hooponopono process . This was agreed tai by the Nativd Hawaiian Protocol Committee and
because of her hard work in this area and her knowledge both as a Native Hawaiian cultural
practitioner, a community activist. Someone very sophisticated in both Native Hawaiian culture
and American law and land use law Cheryl Lovell-Obatake was appointed as the hoo of the
process.
So currently what we are doing is we are going through that process. It' s taking some time and
it' s slow however we are confident in it how it is processed is Aunty Cheryl presides over the
entire meeting. It' s conducted in a circular character like this and she sits in the middle like the
process described by Mary Kawena Pukui. She says and directs everything and the order and the
quorum of these meetings, because largely the strength of her niana, is much easier to deal with
because in any hooponopono process the people with the problem, with the pilikia, they are
forbidden from talking to each other. Everything is directed through the kupuna of the family.
So in that case Aunty Cheryl would request the agency official, in this case Federal Highways,
she will say Mr. Nickelson please present your findings on the presence of historical properties.
At that point Mr. Nickelson will present his findings. Aunty Cheryl will then go over the entire
room and ask individually, Mr. Long do you have any questions. If Mr. Long has questions he
will ask her. She will relate it to the agency official. The agency official will reply to her. She
then will ask Mr. Long if he is satisfied. If he is satisfied go to Ms. Sheehan. Ms. Sheehan do you
have any questions and it follows that intermediary so that emotions are kept calm and
relationships aren't further destroyed which we found in Section 106 process is very hard to do
because again Native Hawaiians and the public at large, the public are also invited to these
meetings as required by 36CFR, part 800.
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When you come to these meetings a lot of people are very passionate about what they feel .
That' s good however; a lot of people don't understand specifically what the laws says. These
consultation laws are also difficult to deal with because a lot of people want to come in to a
meeting and shut down the meeting and the purpose of these consultation meetings is to get
everyone's manao and information first and then the decision makers can make their decisions. If
anyone wants to stop the process after that, that's the appropriate time. However to come to a
consultation, and EIS meeting, EA meeting, or 106 meeting to go in there locked and loaded
ready to say stop the project really can't be done, No one has the authority to do that. It's largely
consultants, line workers like myself. No one has that authority it' s really information gathering.
So at this point we are using the hooponopono process in order to facilitate the information
gathering and we feel that it is largely working because on the strength of Cheryl Lovell-
Obatake. We feel that this model is a good model for future 106 process because really in the
native Hawaiian community I think it' s obvious that there are a lot of other cultural factors that
take place that aren't accommodated in things like Robert' s Rules. You know general western
policy and procedures. Really anything other than Hawaiian culture.
So someone can sit up there with the appropriate mana and manao and all that wonderful stuff
and the process itself is easier to be fulfilled and ultimately the most important thing is that the
project and the cultural aspects and the effects on any historic property can be adequately
addressed . So essentially we are using the hooponopono process as the mold and then we are
bending the federal CRFs to fit that process so that the Native Hawaiians are more instrumental
and feel more a part of it and don't feel like they have just been put through the ringer and not
listened to. That' s it in a nutshell. If you have any other further questions that I can answer.
Chair: So you are here because you want us to . . .
Mr. Wichman: If I may. It behooves us to wait for the outcome of this hooponopono process. I
think it is a really good positive step and you have gotten an individual respected from all sides
and we need to allow the time for this process to bear fruit in the way of recommendations. I
think that' s really good.
In the mean time I just wanted to make one thing understood in the sense of the responsibility of
this commission. We know and we have had it before, Burial Council takes care and deals with
all issues that are immediately related to the iwi within that section. Where we come in is that we
have jurisdiction/kuleana over the buffers. This is where we come in and so therefore we would
definitely entertain discussion on these historic properties as they go along especially prior to
construction and during construction and afterwards . They end up being simple bits. You know
we have done them before with the red barriers around the appropriate. So at some point within
this corridor as it goes through there, there are certain buffers that need to be done with the
burial. I just want to separate those two issues right now. They have essential core burial we have
the buffer and for those discussions in regards to buffer and what happens within those buffers is
us. And so I want that on the table that we need to have a really good discussion regarding the
buffers. It' s a case by case as you go down the line.
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Mr. Trask: Definitely and I think if that would be the case it may be prematute to have this
discussion a this time and the reason why is because of the activity and development in the area
Over the pass 40, 50, 60 years and there are cultural layers, burial, and other historic sites. There
is a World War II bunker around the area which would fall within your purview however, at this
point that initial information was made know to the NHOs and members of the public, etc. and
there was a lot of concerns brought up you know for example one woman, Dana Reeves from the
Big Island intimated that she was very concerned about this project. She didn't like: this project.
She didn't like these projects. She represented OHA and that she wanted a hundred feet buffer
zones in the area. We also got numerous other testimony regarding land title, land history, the
fact that some people weren't at the meeting. The fact that some people weren' t present at the
meeting people made more comfortable if they further attempts were made to bring them.
So our next meeting is currently scheduled for October 31St. Supplemental documents have been
updated to include those insights and then that would be presented to begin October 31St. We
hope after we get their further information and maybe at that time it would be more appropriate
to come up to you with that product and get your guys advice on that. If that' s what you like.
Mr. Wichman: I think at this particular point for us to continue without letting this hooponopono
process take place and then the next time we can take on this discussion.
Ms. Aiu: Question please. Where did you get this map from?
Mr. Kimura: That is from our EA we did back in 2007 .
Ms. Aiu: This is yours. You own this map is that what you are saying?
Mr. Kimura: It' s part of a public document.
Mr. Trask: And what I can do if you would like the 2007 EA itself is a very extensive document.
I have it on my desktop as a file but I can forward that to Mr. Jung and he might be able to make
it available to you if you would like your own copy. It (inaudible) everything up to this point
excluding the most recent knowledge.
Mr. Wichman; I have also had a chance to read your notes in regards to the Native Hawaiian
organizations in your last meeting. You have already briefed on those minutes .
Chair: Any other comments? No. Alright thank you.
Mr. Trask: Thank you very much.
Re: Appointment of investigative committee members and discussion to scope tasks for
an investigate committee to identify potential amendments to Article 25, Chapter 8
of the Kauai County Code, 1987 as amended, including to but not limited to
changing the name of the Commission and clarifying the role of the Commission.
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Once formed and the tasks completed, the investigative committee will present it
findings to the Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision-making;.
Ms. Griffin: So moving on to new business D.2. is another P I G. Appointment of investigative
committee members and discussion to scope tasks for an investigate committee to identify
potential amendments to Article 25 , Chapter 8 of the kaua` i County Code. That is what I brought
up a few minutes ago with the possibility of changing our name and clarifying the role of the
commission. If there is no objection I would like to put that as well on next month' s agenda
rather than discussing it further today. Thank you.
SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS
The next K1JPRC meeting was scheduled on Thursday, November 1 , 2011
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 5 : 00 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
S anlee U. Jimenez
Date tary OCT 2 6 2012
COUNTY OF KAUAI For Planning Department Use Daly
PLANNING DEPT
ZONING PEWIT APPLICATION Zoning Permg y No
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Use Permit limn
( USE PMMIT. APPLICATION Variance Permit now
t ) PROJECT DEVELOPMM USE PERMIT APPLICATION Special Permit No .
t ) VARIANCE PMWIT APPLICATION SMA Permit Non
( ) SPECIAL PEJWIT APPLICATION Zoning Permit Class
( SNA PMMIT APPLICATION Date Received
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APFI.YCANT I I�� �-. Date approved EP
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ADDRE Permit Fee - Date
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PDOnx No_ (work ) 204 0115 1150 ( home ') 5 $ 7�fZ �J I/ Existing
Tax Map Key �' 0 Lot No . Lot Size Zoning e
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APPLICANT IS : ( check one )
A . Owner of Property ( Holder of at least 75% of the equitable and legal title . )
B . Lessee of Property *Number of Years Leased From to
C . Authorized Agent Attach better of Authorization .
NOTE : *Lessee must have an unexpired and recorded lease of five ( 5 ) years or more from
date of filing this application . Owner ( s ) must sign below if lease is less than
five ( 5 ) years remaining and / or unrecorded .
DESCRIPTION OF PROPOSED USE , IMPEOV'E NT , ALTERA.'TIoN , AND/OR CONSTRUCTION : ( specify exact
use , number of units , etc . )
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FOR VARIANCE OR USE PERMITS ONLY
Conditions justifying Variance or Use Permit application : ( use additional sheets as
required )
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The owner an or Hirs. aut prize T representative for the purposes o saz p—er–m-i F-'s'h a I I ,
prior to commencing erection , construction , installation or placement of the founda -
tions and / or footings of the improvements allowed hereunder , and after compliance
with the foregoing condition , notify the Planning Department no later than 5 working
days to commencement of such work , in order that the Planning Department might
ins ect and certify the a2plicable and im osed setbacks and other zoning re uirements .
[ The construction , work , use , or activity approved in this permit shat be subject to
inspection by the Planning Inspector or authorized personnel of the Planning
Department , County of Kauai . The applicant is advised that inspection will occur
prior to, or during construction and . use to ascertain compliance with the provisions
of Ordinance No . 164 , as amended , ( Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance , County of Kauai ,
and / or other laws which are enforced by the Planning Department ,
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Crystal harmonics is an exciting new retail venture coming to the Malikorno Shops area of Old Koloa
T own . Our new space in Koloa will accommodate a variety of unique retail offerings and fine art.
We value the location within the Waikomo Shops courtyard area . Our intention is to embrace and
enhance the historic qualities of the existing shopping center and to malama the courtyard . We propose
opening up a new entrance to the shop facing the courtyard . By reorganizing the primary entrance we.
provide a more visually inviting shopping experience for visitors and revitalize the existing courtyard with
a new destination .
The new entry will consist of two sets of glazed French doors , located within the openings of two existing
windows (which will be removed ) . A segment of the existing lava rock planter will be removed to allow
access to the doors . Over the doors we propose to add a wood framed canopy with corrugated roofing
to provide cover from rain and a transition from outside to inside . The canopy will extend approximately
six feet from the building face . The character of the canopy will be keeping with the plantation
vernacular of the surrounding context.
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robert xavier fober, architects
10.03.2012
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From : Myles Hironaka
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9: 37 AM
To. Shanlee Jimenez
Subject: FW: Kaumuali'i Highway, Uhu'e Mill Bridge to Rice Street, Federal Aid Project No.
ARR-050-1 (036) - KHPRC Nov 1 Agenda
Attachments. FHWA TO KHPRC_2012-10-22 ATTACHMENTS. pdf
Shan,
Please schedule for Nov. KHPRC meeting. Thanks MH
From: James Niermann [mailto :JimN @rmtowill .com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8 :52 AM
To: Myles Hironaka
Cc; Pat. PHUNG @dot.gov; dgedeon @bowersandkubota .com; Stanford , M,Iwamoto @hawail.gov; kyle.johnson @kiewit.com;
Michael Okamoto; michael. k.hinazumi @hawaii.gov; Raymond .J . McCormick @hawaii .gov
Subject: Kaumuali'i Highway, Uhu'e Mill Bridge to Rice Street, Federal Aid Project No. ARR-050-1(036) - KHPRC Nov 1
Agenda
Hello Myles,
I ' m writing to follow up on my phone call the week before last . We' d like to be included on the November 1
KHPRC agenda to present the pre-final bridge railing design for L-ihu` e Mill Bridge. A formal request letter
from FHWA is forthcoming. In the meantime, the following information is provided for background :
As part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act), the FHWA is funding the
SDOT Kaumuali 'i Highway, Lihu` e Mill Bridge to Rice Street project. The existing Li1xu` e Mill Bridge is non-
conforming with current highway standards and no longer provides sufficient capacity tp meet traffic demands
on Kaumuali 'i Highway, The State of Hawaii, Department of Transportation, Highways Division (SDOT-H ) plans
to rehabilitate the existing bridge to carry two lanes of east-bound traffic and to construct a new bridge span
on the mauka side to carry two lanes of west-bound traffic.
Rehabilitation of the existing Lihu` e Mill Bridge will involve demolition of the existing bridge railings and
deck, construction of a new deck approximately 10 feet wider than existing, and construction of new crash-
rated bridge railings . In addition, construction of the new bridge span and approach to carry west- bound
traffic will require demolition of approximately 55 linear feet of the concrete guardrails on Ho`omana Road (30
if on the east side and 25 If on the west side ) . Planned bridge improvements will be designed and constructed
to meet current safety standards set by the American Association of State Highway and Transportation
Officials (AASHTO ), FHWA, and SDOT-H .
In compliance with the MOA, preliminary bridge railing design options were presented at the May 03, 2012
KHPRC meeting. The KHPRC passed a motion to indicate their acceptance of a bridge railing design based on
Texas Type "T-411" railing, or similar, to be installed on the outer and median edges of both the existing and
planned bridge spans . This railing type meets federal guidelines for crash-tested bridge railings . The railing
design does not reproduce the existing bridge railing, but presents architectural elements that evoke period-
appropriate, early 201h century bridge design .
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As part of the motion, the KHPRC requested that the bridge railing be designed without a steel railing along
the top of the concrete barrier. In addition, the State Historic Preservation Division (SHPD ), Architecture
Branch requested that the openings in the bridge railing be constructed in the shape of a curved arch, rather
than with an angular, pointed top as shown in the preliminary design options. SHPD prefers the curved arch as
a more "informal" style that better reflects examples of early 2 W century bridge design in Hawaii . The pre-
final bridge railing design incorporates both of these requests. The pre-final bridge railing design drawings are
attached for your review and comment .
In consultation with the SHPD Architecture Branch, we are currently preparing Historic America Engineering
Record ( HAER) photographs and documentation for the Ho`omana Road overpass and the former railroad
bridge that crosses Nawiliwili Stream. below Ho ` oman.a Road. HAER documentation for the Lihu` e Mill Bridge
was prepared in March, 2004 and is on record with the Library of Congress and the SHPD.
A new guardrail segment, approximately 35 If in length, will be constructed on the east side of Ho `omana Road
and tied into the existing railing. The new guardrail segment will be constructed to match the design of the
original, existing guardrails. Upon project completion, Ho`omana Road will be converted for use as a
pedestrian and bicycle access way. Motor vehicle access will be blocked from Kaumuali `i Highway. The new
guardrail segment on the east side will be incorporated into a shared- use pathway transition between the
sidewalk on Kaumuali`l Highway and Ho`omana Road .
The following enclosures are provided for your reference :
Memorandum of Agreement between the FHWA and SHPD.
® Pre-final design drawings for the Lxhu` e Mill Bridge railing.
Pre-final site plan for the Ho`omana Road realignment.
d Letters from SHPD Architecture Branch dated August 8, 2012 .
<<FHWA TO KHPRC_2012-10-22_ATTACHMENTS. gdf>>
If you have any questions, please contact me at 808-748-7463 or by email . Thank you for your help .
Best regards
James Niermann, AICP, LEED AP
inailto:JimN@rintowill.com
rintowill.com
R. M. Towill Corporation
2024 North King Street Suite 200
Honolulu, Hawaii 96819
voice: 808 842 1133 fax: 808 842 1937 web: www.rmtowill .com
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MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT
Ainong the
FEDERAL. IiIGUWAY AD STRATION gad the
HAWAII STA'L'E HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER
Regarding the Replacement of the Steel Rail'
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on Lihue Mill Bridge
For the Improvements to Kaurnualii Highway, Lihue to West of Maluhia [toad
Project No. ARR-0504 (036)
WHEREAS, the Federal Highway Aclministaation (FHWA) has determined that Lihue Milt Bridge located
on Kaumualii Highway over Nawiliwili Stream in the Lihue District on the island of Kauai is eligible for
inclusion in the National Register of Historic Places (AlRHP), and that the replacement of its substandard
steel railings with railings that meet current safety standards and the widening of its bridge deck will have an
adverse effect and FHWA has consulted with the Hawaii State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) and the
Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (Council) pursuant to 36 CFR Part 500, regulations implementing
Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act (16 U.S.C. 470f); and
74'>L i LEAS;the State of Ha�vatt Department of Trarispaitation (HDOT).participated in the cons Ration and
the FHWA has invited the HDOT to sign this Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) as an invited signatory in
accordance with 36 CFR 500.6 (c); and
WHEREAS, FHWA has notified the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (ACHP) of FHWA's
adverse effect determination and the ACHP has chosen not to participate in the consultation; and
WHEREAS, the FffWA, the Hawaii SHPO, and the HDOT have agreed that alternatives to the rrepplacetnent
of the railings have been considered and found neither feasible nor prwient.
NOW, THEREFORE, the FHWA and the Hawaii SHPO agree that the replacement of the railings and the
widening of the bridge deck shall be implemented in accordance with the following stipulations in order to
take into account such action's effect on historic properties.
STIPVLAA TIONS
FHWA will ensure that the following measures are implemented.
1 . Prior to the replacement of the steel railings and the widening of the bridge deck of Lihue
Mi4i Bridge (the undertaking), the HDOT shall submit photo-documentation and written
documentation of the bridge using Historic American Building Survey (HABS) standards,
Documentation Level III to the following agencies: (1 ) Hawaii SHPO; and (2) FHWA
Hawaii Division
2. The stipulated photographic documentation shall consist of photographs produced on 5" x
10" fiber-based paper prints from 4" x 5" Tri-X negatives. Both negatives and prints shall be
processed With archival quality control n thods. In addition, electronic copies of the photographs
will be provided. The photographic documentation shall be coordinated with SHPO.
3. The FHWA shall submit a copy of the executed MOA to the Council with the appropriate
documentation pursuant to 36 CFR Section 800. 11 prior to the undertaking.
44 The Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission shall be given the opportunity to
provide comments o>rt the design of the undertaking at the preliminary and pre-final stages,
and shall be asked to concur on the design: during these stages.
5. Should a party to this agreement object within 30 days to any items submitted pursuant to this
agreement, the FHWA shall consult with the objecting party to resolve the objection. if the FHWA
determines that the objection cannot be resolved, the FHWA shall request comments of the Council
pursuant to 36 CFR Section $00.9. Any Council continent provided in response to such a request
will be taken into account by the FHWA with reference only to the subject of the dispute; the
FHWA's responsibility to carry out all actions under this agreement that are not the subjects of the
dispute will remain unchanged.
C Any party to this MOA may request that it be amended, whereupon the parties shfill consult in
accordance with 36 CFR Section 800 to consider such amendment.
7. Should the undertaking not take place within five (5) years of the executed MOA, the parties shall
consult in accordance with 35 CFR Section 800 to determine whether amendments should be
considered.
Execution of this MOA by the FHWA and the Hawaii SHPO, and implementation of its terms shall be
evidence that FHWA has afforded the Council the opportunity to comment on the project entitled,
"Kaurnualn High, Lihue Mill Bridge to Rice Street, Project No ARR 0504 (036)" and its effects on historic
properties, arid k f.that FHWW. as en tno accoun l oefbots of the tin d ettaldngvi Lihue Mall Bridge.
FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION
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ABRAHAM Y. WONG
Division Administrator
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HAWAII STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER
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WILL WILUAM J. AILA, JR.
Chairperson
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KAHUHIHEWA BUILDING
601 KAMOKILA BLVD, KAPOLEI HI 96707
DATE: August 8, 2012 LOG: 2012.2350
DOC: 1208RS20
TO: Jim Niermann, Senior Planner
R. M. Towill Corporation
2024 North King Street
Honolulu, HI 96819
SUBJECT: National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) Section 106 Consultation
Project: Lihue Mill Bridge documentation
Permit # NIA
Owner: County of Hawaii
Location: Kaurrivalii Highway, Lihue, Kauai
Tax Map Key: (4) 3-8 11005
Date Received by SHPD: August 3, 2012
Description of Project/Undertaking: Lihue Mi)l HAER Report (HI-74)
Area of Potential Effect (APE): Footprint and approaches to bridge
Description of Resource : Constructed 1936 . Bridge consists of concrete piers, steel columns, steel stringers,
reinforced concrete deck. One of only a limited number of metal bridges constructed in Hawaii 's.
Eligibility: Eligible under Criteria A (Events - development of round the island road system) and C (bridge
Architecture)
Documentation Received: NPS approved HAER Report provided as required by Lihue Mill Bridge MOA.
SHPD Determination: SHPD accepts the report as satistactw:y,
Any questions should be addressed to Ross W. Stephenson, SHPD Historian, at (808) 692-8028 (office) or
ross.w.stephensoii@hawaii. gov.
Mahalo for your assistance.
Angie Westfall
Architecture Branch Chief, Hawaii Historic Preservation Division
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DATE: August 08, 2012 LOG: 2012.2351
DOC: 1208RS21
TO: Jim Niermann, Senior Planner
R. M. Towiil Corporation
2024 North King Street
Honolulu, HI 96819
SUBJECT: National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) Section 106 Consultation
Project; Hoomana Road Bridge alteration/HAER documentation
Permit # N/A
Owner: County of Kauai
Location: Approach to German Hill, Lihue, Kauai
Tax Map Key: (1 ) 3-8-005
Date Received by SHPD: August 3, 2012
Description of Project/Undertaking. Recordation of Hootnana Roan Bridge per Lihue Mill Bridge MOA
Area of Potential Effect (APE) : Bridge footprint, approach, and environs
Description of Resource: Constructed 1928. Concrete slab. Height: 13- 4". One of only two bridges remaining
on the island that were originally railroad crossings.
Eligibility: Eligible under Criteria A (Events — railroad development) and C (Engineering)
Documentation Received: Letter
SHPD Determination: The concrete railings at bridge approach on the makai side are to be shortened as part of the
Lihue Mill Bridge widening project. Ife request that HAER 11 documentation be under taken for Hooniana Bridge
(inchiding the stream bridge constructed of raibooad rails inunediatety adjacent to its foundation).
Any questions should be addressed to Ross W. Stephensop, SHPD Historian, at (808) 692-8028 (office) or
ross.w.stephenson@tiawaii.gov.
Mahalo for the opportunity to comment.
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Angie Westfall
Architecture Branch Chief, Hawaii Historic Preservation Division
In the event that historic resources, including human skeletal remains, lava tubes, and lava blisters/bubbles are
identified during construction activities, a] I work should cease in the immediate vicinity of the find, the find should
be protected from additional disturbance, and the State Historic Preservation Division should be contacted
immediately at (808) 692-8015 .
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uSpepgent Hawaii f=ederal-Aid Division 300 Ala Moana Blvd, Rm 3-306
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Federal Highway October 19, 2012 oru [uPl ii 96850
Administration Phone: ' (808141 -2700
Fax: (808) 541 -2704
E ' E ° Py Refer To:
HDA-Hl
Ms. Kuuleialoha Santos
Chairperson, KHPRC c/o Planning Department
4444 Rice Street , Suite 473
Lihu'e, Hl 96766
Subject: National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) Section 106 Consultation
Kaumuali'i Highway ( Phase 1 ), Lihu`e Mill Bridge to Rice Street
Federal Aid Project No. ARR-050-1 (036), Lihu`e, Island of Kaua'i, State of Hawai'i
Dear Ms. Kuuleialoha Santos,
On behalf of the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) and the State of Hawaii, Department of
Transportation , Highways Division ( HDOT), we would like to invite you to participate in a community
consultation meeting for the subject project. This is the second NHPA 106 community consultation
meeting held for the project, in follow-up to the first meeting which was held on June 28, 2012.
The public meeting is scheduled for 7uesday November 06, 2092 and for your convenience, there will be
two sessions on that date.
Session 1 — 2: 30 PM — 5: 00 PM
Session 2 — 6: 00 PM — 8: 00 PM
The purpose of this public meeting is to further consult with Native Hawaiian organizations and other
interested parties in accordance with NHPA, Section 106. The objective is to discuss the subject project
and provide an opportunity to share information about historic properties, potential project effects, and
proposed mitigation measures. Each session will include a short presentation followed by an open
discussion.
The meeting will be held at the State Department of Transportation , Highways Division , Kauai District
Office, 1720 Ha[eukana Street, Lihu'e.
Attached is a summary of the subject project for your information ,
We appreciate your interest in this important transportation project. Please contact me at (808) 541 -2305
should you have any questions.
Sincerely Yours,
Pat V. Phung , A. E.
Lead Civil Engineer
Enclosure
cc: Raymond J . McCormick, HDOT, with enclosures
James Niermann , R. M . Towill Corporation, without enclosures
OV 01 2012
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PROJECT BACKGROUND
The existing Lihu'e Mill Bridge is non-conforming with current highway standards and no longer provides
sufficient capacity to meet traffic demands on Kaumuali'i Highway, The HDOT plans to rehabilitate the
existing bridge to carry two lanes of east-bound traffic and to construct a new bridge span on the mauka
side to carry two lanes of west-bound traffic, In addition, the HDOT plans to realign Ho'omana Road in a
new location to accommodate the new bridge span. Planned bridge improvements will be designed and
constructed to meet current design standards set by the American Association of State Highway and
Transportation Officials (AASHTO), the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), and the HDOT.
The project is one segment of the phased Kaumuali' i Highway, Uhu'e to West of Maluhia Road
Improvement Project being undertaken by the HDOT. An Environmental Assessment (EA) was prepared
for the project in accordance with Chapter 343, Hawai'i Revised Statutes (FIRS) , and the National
Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) , and a Finding of No Significant Impact was issued on July 5, 2000.
As part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act), the FHWA is funding
the HDOT Kaumuali' i Highway, Uhu'e Mill Bridge to Rice Street Project. Use of federal funds triggers a
requirement under Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) for consultation with
Native Hawaiian organizations and other interested members of the community to invite comments on the
potential effect to historic properties that could result from the project.
NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT (NHPA)
In compliance with NHPA Section 106, the HDOT conducted extensive consultation with Native Hawaiian
organizations, individuals, community groups, and government agencies during preparation of the project
EA. Background research did not identify specific areas of traditional land use or any documented records
of traditional practices being conducted in the project area. In addition , approximately 40 individuals and
Native Hawaiian organizations were contacted to identify information about cultural resources, practices,
or practitioners within the project area. These efforts did not identify any cultural practices or practitioners
that would be affected by the project.
Historic properties within the project's Area of Potential Effect (APE) that were identified through
background research, archaeological inventory surveys and public consultation include:
1 . Lihu'e Mill Bridge
2 , Ho'omana Overpass Bridge
3. Uhu'e Public Cemetery
4 , German Hill historic district
5. Uhu'e Mill
In addition , the following properties were identified in the larger project area:
6. Grove Farm administrative office building
7. Kilohana
8. Residence on Kilohana property
The enclosed figure identifies the APE and the location of these properties.
As an outcome of the NHPA 106 consultation process, the FHWA rendered a determination of "no
adverse effect" on Uhu'e Mill, Uhu'e Public Cemetery, Kilohana, the Kilohana property, the Grove Farm
administrative office building, Ho'omana Overpass Bridge, and the German Hill historic district. The
FHWA rendered an "adverse effect" determination on Uhu'e Mill Bridge because the project will require
demolition and reconstruction of the bridge deck and the steel railings. The SHPO concurred with the
FHWA's determinations.
To address the adverse effect to L►hu'e Mill Bridge, a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) was executed
among the FHWA and the Hawaii State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) regarding the replacement
of the steel railings. In compliance with the MOA, the FHWA and the HDOT have been in on-going
consultation with the SHPO and the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission to evaluate bridge
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railing design options that take into account the characteristics that contribute to the historic significance
of the Uhu`e Mill Bridge. In addition, HDOT is currently preparing Historic American Engineering Record
(HAER) photo documentation of LEhu`e Mill Bridge and Hoomana Overpass.
Since the first NHPA 106 community consultation meeting on June 28, 2012, an updated Archaeological
Inventory Survey (AIS) and Cultural Impact Assessment (CIA) have been completed for the project. The
AIS identified and documented several historic features in the APE related to plantation-era infrastructure.
As part of the AIS, subsurface testing was also conducted on German Hill to investigate a rumored
graveyard burial site. Several test trenches were excavated through the site and no evidence of burials or
other cultural artifacts was found . The updated CIA identified no traditional Hawaiian cultural resources or
practices in the project APE, however the CIA documented concerns of residents of German Hill about
potential project effects to the historic neighborhood. The HDOT is working with the residents to respond
to concerns related to vegetation removal, noise, and roadway design .
As an extra measure, we ask for your kokua to help identify any new information about historic properties
and/or potential effects to historic properties that could result from the planned project. In accordance
with Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 800, Section 800.2 , we invite you to formally
participate in the consultation process as a Consulting Party, either as a Native Hawaiian organization, or
as an Additional Consulting Party. You may also provide comments as a member of the public without
formally participating as a Consulting Party.
Should you wish to participate in the consultation process, we ask that you identify if you choose to
participate as a Native Hawaiian organization or as an Additional Consulting Party. We invite any
comments or information you may have regarding historic properties that could be affected by the project,
and comments regarding the delineation of the APE. If you know of other {Native Hawaiian organizations,
individuals or groups with whom we should consult, we would appreciate your help in putting us in contact
with them.
We respectfully request that any comments be submitted to our project consultant:
Mr. James Niermann, Senior Planner
R. M . Towill Corporation
2024 North King Street, Suite 200
Honolulu , Hawaii 96819
(808) 842-1133
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PROJECT LOCATION AND AREA OF POTENTIAL EFFECT (APE)
Kaumuali ' i Highway, Uhue Mill Bridge to Rice Street, F.A. P. No. ARR-050-1 (036) /
Department of Transportation, Hlgtwaya Dtvtcton, State of Hawatl + KAUAI u
PROJECT
0 100 404 Soo 1200 . 600 n� LOCATION
Notes; N.T.S.
1. Thls figure is for consultation purposes only. APE
2. Aerial photograph from Google Earth is not orthographically correct.