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Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A /2B
MINUTES
A regular meeting of the Kauai County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held
on December 6, 2012 in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A /2B.
The following Commissioners were present: Kuuleialoha Santos, Chairperson, Pat Griffin, Vice
Chairperson, Danita Aiu, Stephen Long, Patsy Sheehan, and Randy Wichman.
The following Commissioner(s) were absent: Jane Gray and David Helder,
CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chairperson Griffin called the meeting to order at 3:04 p.m.
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Mr. Wichman: Motion to approve the agenda in that we move unfinished business to the end.
Ms. Aiu: Second.
Chair: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote.)
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
The Minutes of the November 1, 2012 meeting were approved as circulated.
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS
Re: Discussion on proposed Preservation/Historic Planner for FY 2014 Budget.
Chair: Ok on to Announcements and General Business Matters. Are you here for a reason should
I move our schedule around?
Mr. Michael Dahilig: No but you want to talk about something. (Laughter in background).
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Chair: No, no we are not closing the meeting. I meant to call the CLG status and have Mike
come and talk to us a little bit about our.
Ms. Griffin: What about this one?
Chair: Ok. Discussion on proposed preservation/historic planner for the 2014 budget.
Ms. Griffin: I asked to have that put on the agenda and I did it because since about 2004 or 2005
we talked about the importance of having a preservation planner and now seems a really good
time we have in this County, I think that the County has made really remarkable strides in the
1'lai}ni»g Department in the last couple of year. Our long range planning has really been put in
place with some very bright people in it, akainai people I might add. My hat is off to the
I'l.anning Director and a lot of the rest of the staff and I think that the transportation planner
working with Planning and Public Works will be a tremendous asset too especially as we are
starting the General Plan update and district development plan update.
There is a need for a preservation planner at this point and it seems because of the district
development plan update... and the Mike should have a copy of that too, I made some extras.
Maui has one. It is becoming a fairly standard practice in towns of any size. I did want to, I
added a little bit about possible activities. One is to be able to assist us in a very dedicated way.
A planner that has extensive knowledge of the very large body at this point legislation and
federal and state as well as standard 'ractices that are known in this field and not any of us
sitting at this table has that kind of experience and so in talking about it I would think that, that
person should also be able to assist with the GIS, with mapping, with being able to participate in
that element and to review signage on historic structures.
You all have been reading this so I don't want to go through I do want to say that the matter of
training and what standard practice is something that would help us out a lot and I did also bring
last month we had an extended discussion about abatement in transportation in historic districts
and I brought this piece of information from New Hampshire on highway related projects which
talks specifically about minimizing visual and noise impacts in areas where roads are moving
along and I think if a staff person who could assist us with that kinds of information so that we
don't ever flail around here on what's appropriate would be exceedingly appropriate. So we
talked about this over the summer on when budgeting was coming up and now we are sort of at
the bleeding edge of it as near as I can tell before it starts.
Mr. Dahilia: So you know the County's financial statement is coming out in the next couple of
weeks and we have been kind of clued into with respect to budget projections for the next fiscal
year. There seems to be a contraction of revenue that will be anticipated for the upcoming year
along with one we can suspect in increases in collective bargaining costs and other types of
matters related to labor - health care as well as pertaining to the State retirement system. Given
that we have already been kind of tipped off that the administration will not be entertaining any
new position request unless they are considered critical need.
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Critical need is certainly relative and as you know 'Our last budget request for this fiscal year we
(lid incicide a request for an historic preservation planner. That ultimately was not folded into the
administration's proposed budget and then it wasn't added at the Cquncil level either. So we
have tried it once but the contrast from last fiscal yew and this upcoming fiscal is that the
revenue projections are going to be more contracted then we expected given the current revenues
that we experiencing this year.
So given the projection we are also in anticipation that potentially there is some degree of
(inaudible) that we may have to handle in house. We don't know what that value is. We don't
know what that looks like. Whether travel. is going to be restricted again or these types of things
but certainly it's, the County unless revenues and I won't use the word taxes but once revenues
are looked at there could be some tough calls that every department is going to have make in
order to balance the budget this fiscal year and then carry over into the proposed next year.
I am certainly willing to request again for a position but I would state to the commission that
helping characterize what critical need is I will need your help. So certainly if you know we put
the proposal back on the table the word and the support of the commission as to characterizing a
position in the department is critical heed for this type of service is certainly something that we
would be happy to be behind the A ball but we need you to be supportive.
Ms. Griffin: You know last Monday in his inaugural speech Councilmember Hooser advised the
audience that when people said that there wasn't money what they really mean is it isn't really a
priority. So I think that part of the challenge is a way to show that this should be a priority and
I'm convinced that there is money and there beyond: the County has the potential to bring in
funds for preservation work here. Not the CLG funds that you know by anyway we rely on to get
some work down because what's happen is that things are getting lost one by one and I am not
hearing as much as I used to this Commission being referred to as the hysterical commission.
So perhaps there is a you know level of respect that's going up but I think that it's time that this
County really start making a priority . of its historic resources and development a management
plan. The things that the current staff; I don't see anybody in the Planning Department hanging
out saying oh what are we going to do today. I think that having the trained planner that is
knowledgeable about these things and the national framework of it is it could be a tremendous
assist and not simply a drain on the taxpayer.
Mr. Dahilijz: You know the Chair as well as myself, the Deputy County Attorney and Kaaina you
know we were at that conference on Maui last year and I think the perspective, my take away
and I wasn't there the whole time, was expanding field of planning that we certainly need to start
meeting regulatory standpoint. One of the things that we did try to do is see if we could rollover
the CLG money into a part time position in the department but unfortunately the call from SHPD
was that we weren't able to use those funds and we had to use it contractually. The reason why
we wanted to do it that way was it seemed more bang for the buck because if we had somebody
that was on payroll verses paying somebody two to three hundred dollars an hour for consulting
work which is what we are going through now with the CLG procurement. That would be
preferable. We could spread things over a two year period that kind of thing.
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Certainly the extramural grant funds that would be appropriate for some kind external support for
the position is something we can. look at. I think given all the discussion with fiscal cliff and the
Federal Govetnment's potential sequestration of a lot of the extramural grants that would
facilitate these types of positions through either National Park Service or etc. that we would have
to wait and see as to what the congress is going to do because it think tl�at will be the largest pool
of resources if you are going to look extramurally to provide some kind of contractual position
for this. It's unfortunate again we can't use the CLG funds for that purpose but you know
certainly with respect to our general fund budget it's something that I am willing again to state
for the record and put in our budget request to the Mayor that such a position is a critical need.
Ms. Griffin: So how can we help you?
Mr. Dahilig: I think probably the most... it's a two part thing. The Commission can take it on by
resolution position on the matter that I can use as the sentiment of the Commission with respect
to supporting our budgetary request. Also having discussion with the Mayor directly and
outlining many of the coverage issues that I think your memorandum puts forth and certainly
assist us if we were trying to push for a position in the very tight budget scenario. So I guess I
want to, not that I want to dump (inaudible) but it certainly is a daunting challenge to try to
squeeze any type of new funds for our department for this purpose given the fact that we are
talking sequestration this particular budget year but it's worth a shot.
Ms. Sheehan: What are your deadlines"
Mr. Dahili2: We start inputting. the budget actually any day now. So you know the budget
transmittal does not go over to the Council until mid March but in terms of what is due to the
Mayor we start budget hearings at the end of January. So we start presenting (inaudible).
Ms. Sheehan: So any resolution or talking we have from now till March?
Mr. Dahilig: Certainly. You know any representation of what the Commission is collective
wisdom is on this position would certainly aid us.
Ms. Griffin: But we really don't have until March cause the budget is going to be pretty set.
Mr. Dahilig: I
would say probably
your
next meeting in January if you want to entertain
something that
would probably be the
most
appropriate time to do it.
Mr. Wichman: That was my suggestion that we include a draft resolution and include a
preservation planner on our agenda.
Chair: Do you guys want to create a P I G to create that or do you guys want to how do you
guys want to?
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Ms. Griffin One person writes it and then the Commission together (inaudible). Ok so we will
do that for January and part B which you mentioned which is talk to the Mayor which last
August we brought up and I am wondering if you want to .. .
Mr. Dahilia: I think in terms of drafting that resolution
planner, Kaaina, who can assist us on this is maybe try
regulatory types of elements that we need to cover. I hate
State and say the State's not doing their job. You know S.
Even my other hat from the University is certainly, part
graduated two archeologists a year and that's certainly
increased regulatory checks that are (inaudible).
and maybe what I can do is ask our
to provide an outline for a lot of the
to be in a position and we point at the
F PD has had their share of challenges.
of it is supply and demand. We only
not enough to meet the needs of the
So you know it does I think address the systemic problem that I certainly do understand is of
utmost concerning to the Commission's interest and so we will try to tackle it from that angle as
to setting fotth what are the regulatory impediments that we are experiencing and how this
planner assure that there will be our operating and moving forward with permits at least some
type of coverage that's not coming from the State.
Ms. Griffin: That would be really helpful because it's my understanding from conversations with
folks in that division at SHPD and some in here and in some in other arenas that there has been,
that it's kind of... we used to look at the State Historic Preservation Division sending to us a
response and then dur pretty much following it. It's my understanding that they are really seeing
a reversal of that at this point where we are tie boots on the ground in our area and they are
looking more and more to us to give some sort of response to some of these things that are
happening. So I think you quite right in looking at those issues with permitting.
Mr. Dahilia: A lot of the 6E case law that has come down over the past few years has really
heightened the duty level of independent duty that each agency is responsible for and as an
extension of the State and certainly that independent duty from a 6E stand point is also more and
more. So I have no problem making that case but I think that the balance and the explanation that
we are going to have from a strategic standpoint explain why are we supporting a budgetary item
that is their kuleana in the State of Hawaii. We need to be clear on our end from I guess a
messaging standpoint why having somebody in house is necessary and integral to the County's
independent 6E duties and making sure that those checks are in place.
Mr. Wichman: Integral to 6E duties.
Chair: Does anybody have any other questions for Mike?
Mr. Wichman: Could we invite the Mayor to join us either in January or February? We only need
ten minutes of his time.
Mr. Dahilig: We can certainly...
Mr. Wichman: Pass on the request?
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Mr. Dahilig: What we can do is draft up a memorandum that the Chair can sign.
Mr. Wichman: Can't Gary or George?
Mr. Dahilig: We can certainly help facilitate an invitation for you.
Mr. Wichman: Then that way we can move forward on our recommendations.
Ms. Griffin: And there maybe, your
counter part of
Maui
may be able
to give
some other cause I
know that their preservation planner
is busy. I don't
know
where he is
getting
his money from.
Chair: Do you guys have any other questions for Mike? (None). Thank you for stopping by.
Mr. Dahilig: No problem. I would have worn shoes but.. .
COMMUNICATIONS
There were no communications.
UNIFINISHED BUSINESS
Re: Certified Local Government (CLG) Status
Chair: Unfinished business, certified local government status. We kind of covered that right. Do
you have anything to add to that Myles?
Mr. Hironaka: Yes well we just I don't know if I mentioned it but we have received resumes for
the CLG funding. So we need to go through this procurement process of developing a selection
and review committee to actually rank, to qualify the consultants and then come up with a
ranking. Once we do that then we can negotiate with the top ranked person and start the project
and actually get into the project. So right now we are still in the process of going through
resumes and coming up with a ranking for each one of the consultants.
Ms,AW: Would we be ,able to see that before the P I G can meet just before the next meeting?
I lr, Hironaka: I would Have to check with the Procurement Officer on what would be and when
these documents would become public records.
Ms. Griffin: Do you feel like we are on schedule Myles`?
Mr. Hironaka: As I stated earlier on I wish we had more time.
Ms. Griffin: Your heart is in your throat about this.
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Mr. Hironaka: We got to try and get this thing done. The project has to be complete, I said
September but I think it actually has to be complete before September cause I think we have to
turn the project or the monies have to be completed and I guess whatever reporting has to be
completed to SHPD by September.
Chair: We will get it done.
Mr. Hironaka: So we are working on the procurement process.
Chair: Alright any other questions for Myles? (None). Thank you very much we appreciate you
giving us your update.
Re: Status of investigative committee members and discussion to scope tasks for an
investigative committee to identify properties for nomination to the State and
National Register of Historic Places. Once formed and the tasks completed, the
investigative committee will present its findings to the Commission in a duly noticed
meeting for decision- making.
Chair: Alright state of investigative committee members and discussion to scope tasks for an
investigative committee �o identify properties for nomination to the State and National Register
of Historic Places.
Mr. Wichman: Is there a P I G report?
.C.2i4ur: The 1' 1 G has no 1. met. That's all my fault. I think I am on the P I G.
�j , Sligel n: You are chair of this one.
Chair: Oh I am chair of this one? Who is on this one?
Ms. Griffin: That would be Steve and myself with you.
Mr. Long: I have a question about the first one. The committee to identify properties for
nomination to the State and National Registers of Historic Places. We are already as a
department identifying historic properties that come under the venue of the Commission. State
and National Historic Preservation are Voluntary acts by the owner so do we really need a
committee to identify properties that could be placed on the National Historic Preservation
Register and as a department and a commission we already defined historic properties on Kauai.
So somebody wants to put their property on the National Register is voluntary why do they need
direction from us?
Chair: I think that is part of SHVD's requirements that we nominate and help get sites
registered /on the list. So isn't that true?
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Mr. Wichman: Yes part of it but another one is our building inventory needs to be updated and
part of the P I Gs is to, because the funds are so limited and it has to be done the idea in creating
the P I G was to facilitate whoever our contractor to do this, this, and this. This is our priority go
to work. So it was to facilitate that moment when we funded that position.
Ms. Griffin: I thought we started as a P I G for the inventory rather than National Register.
Ms. Aiu: Right. Its two different things.
Mr. Wichman: I just want to get back to the inventory itself because that started the whole
language and the idea of the P I G was to identify the priority because we haven't done it in ten
years.
Chair: But that's different from this.
Nor,,, W Ql�Lp: No that's pail of the...
Ms, Griffin: See there is a confusion here about just how many P I Gs this small body.
Chair: There is one and that was to get the CLG or update the inventory. That was that.
Ms. Aiu: And we have that ongoing.
Chair: And that's on going. Yes and I don't know if you were going to appoint or I don't know if
that was part of it to where to start first and I don't know if that was possible or...
Ms. Aiu: That will be when he is ready to meet with us on that. We will also be looking at the
people and the resumes.
Chair: Ok and this was because Mike [Gushard] had come and said you guys are behind. You
guys haven't nominated anything or started that process to be on the register list. That's how this
came about.
Mr. Wichman: Could I make d suggestion then, that because within the State and National
Registry you really need a landowner's permission to even think about continuing this. So let's
simplify this thing and take all the historic assets on Couiity property right now that could be
eligible for the National Register. Let's take that question. What are we looking at? Definitely
we have the Kaneioloiuma project that is out on County land. The County is more than willing
already to undergo the process there.
Ms. Griffin: There are several. Hanapepe Bridge keeps corking up. It's my understanding that
there is some confusion about you know there are two aspects of that bridge. A latter addition
that is more than 50 years old but there are several bridges that are within the County domain.
There is the Lydgate Pavilion and other pavilions in County parks that are over 50 years old. I
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think if we started looking there was one of mine as preservation planner position that is
something they could do. Our ordinance says that we will encourage and assist in the nomination
of historic resources to the national and state registers. So it is built in to this very responsible
ordinance of ours. But I think if we look at County spaces there are when you get into
parks /public spaces and some of them the Lydgate Pavilion is.
There iii a lot of assets on County properties.
Ills, Urifin; So there arc and there is something else that I don't think this body in our volunteer
capacity has a good way tp do but it is also part of our ordinance. There is so much
misunderstanding of what national register inclusion includes and there has been so much
misinformation that many owner's of historic properties don't want to touch it. So there is an
entire educational aspect that needs to go on and like I said I don't think we can do that but it is a
really important component potentially if the County starts having more national register districts
and properties that it will propel the initiative beyond public spaces.
Ms. Sheehan: I guess I had a little bit different perspective of the inventory that we were going
through was that we haven't done it in a long time. So we have things that are there that are not
there and things that have been changed so much that their integrity verses what we have written
down is gone. Also that this is the document that the Planning Department uses so that they
might get a little flag that when somebody has bought a property and then another person bought
a property and then pretty soon this property and maybe the new owner isn't attuned to how
valuable this is. So this inventory also goes to the Planning Department and they use it and they
can't use it if it's not updated. I mean I guess because we have had two natural disasters we have
a lot of things.
So yes it needs to be cleaned up but I guess I am not even getting into the County's part of it and
the County things I am thii-iking of the total public that's out there and that doesn't mean that
they want to be on the National Register or the Hawai'i Register but at least the County become
aware that this is really important that they flag it and then it somehow get's back to that person
and then it comes to us. You. know before he demolishes it or already writes it off or something.
So I guess I was under the impression we were trying to save more of the public buildings, area,
landscapes.
Chair: We are and that's part of that but this is a separate thing where we needed to.
Mr. Wichman: You are right absolutely hoWevers because the funding is short and time is short.
Ms. Aiu: Then this came up which to me is like the horse before the cart because we should
finish the inventory first and this, the inventory, would speak to us and so ok here is blah, blah,
blab and the we look at it and say oh maybe we could get that on the National Register.
Chair: And that's fund but I think we still need to start to talk about it just so that it's a topic. We
know that it is needed and all that kind of stuff. It needs to be on our agenda. It's needs to be
discussed I think and you know.
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Ms. Sheehan: How much can we do before we get the CLG funds and before we get the actual
body.
Chair: We only meet once a month so it is extremely difficult to you lcuow. But it is hard and it's
there.
Ms. Aiu: Our P I G meeting it depends on where he is at to tell us ok now we come in and have a
role and we have done as much as we can until he is ready with the resumes and we have got
procurement
Chair: Cause 12 meetings is not a lot to get a lot of work done. So anyways.
Ms. Sheehan: I am with you. I want to put landscapes on and heiau and all these other things.
Mr. Wichman: What Pat said worries me because it's...
Chair: So do you guys want to put this on hold until we finish the list or do you guys want to still
leave this on the agenda and let's really try to concentrate on picking maybe a County area to
help that process or no?
Ms. Aiu: I am for on hold.
Ms. Griffin: Those of who are on the Commission for a time know that I was asked to put
something on the register when I was on this Commission and did so which was Puuopae Bridge.
It is not like the early days where people just sort of slap together two statements. It's become
increasingly rigorous. I did it pro Bono but people in the trade ask a reasonable chunk of change
to do that. So for me unless there is something specific that we feel needs to go on at this
particular moment I tend to think that we have got all the work we can handle with the inventory
which is imminent and with looking at reviewing who we are and what changes we might want
to make. So I am a hold as well.
Chait: Alright so ate we all in agreement?
Mr. Wichman: I think on our last meeting we had someone at SHPD hired to overlook and
remember our meeting with them. We had suggested that they look into tb,e Hanapepe
nomination. It only went to State and never went to the Federal. So we have already asked the
nomination crew for return informatign. Go check in your files and make sure we are on the
same page and come back to us. They haven't done that. So you I think (inaudible). Yes we do
have things in the motions. We do have things pending and then at some point SHPD is going
come back and address those specific issues. But I think at this particular point if we just kind of
just stayed at each one of us one particular piece we have seven right there.
Ms. Griffin: One particular piece? I don't understand.
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Mr. Wichman: For example I would like ,to nominate the Kaneiolouma as a candidate for the
National Register.
Ms. Griffin: We are behind you all the way.
Mr. Wichman: And I wrote out the 350 pages already that is necessary. Howevers it is
compounded what Pat says that there is a very poor understanding in the community with
regards to it. I am going to say real fast that in every mind in e -N�eryone that I have spoken to with
regards to it anytime when someone sees the feds are coming in it's an automatic knee jerk
reaction the feds are going to take over and they are going to do this and that and then all of a
sudden it's federal regulatory this and that. And no matter how many times you tell everyone
over 30 years nope it's not. It's just a piece of paper that says the feds recognizes that this piece
of property is important to American culture. That's it. It's just a piece of paper that allows it. It
allows the entity in management of this area to now access federal credits. That's it but in no
way shape or form does it mean federal intervention, federal oversight, federal anything.
Now I understand from the Hawaiian community exactly what it means and the knee jerk
reaction and stuff like that. I am prepared to moet with every single one of them in regards to
what I was not prepared is that in general within the State government, within the County
government, within the general public there is that immediate reaction, feds no way. So there is
this public disconnect through the process and no matter how or what you do with unless we
have to have the (inaudible) take the heat from everybody and we are federal and just do it but I
am afraid of that and that is the primary reason why I dropped this 350 pages. I wasn't worried
about the Hawaiians. I was worried about the entire educated population.
Chair: On that I think it's on hold.
Ms. Griffin: We look forward to getting a draft from you in supporting any way we can but this P
I G is on hold.
Chair: When he is ready we are ready. When you are ready we are ready how's that?
Ms. Aiu: Ok to make it official I will make a motion on this. So I move that the P I G for the
National Register of Historic Places be put on hold until after the inventory and then it can come
up for discussion again.
Ms. Sheehan: Second.
Chair: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote).
Re: Status of investigative committee members and discussion to scope tasks for an
investigate committee to identify potential amendments to Article 25, Chapter 8 of
the Kauai County Code, 1987 as amended, including to but not limited to changing
the name of the Commission and clarifying the role of the Commission. Once
n
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formed and the tasks completed, the investigative committee will present its findings
to the Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision - making.
Chair: Ok moving on to amending our ordinance. We haven't met on that either. Sorry all my
fault. Let's defer it. And it's Christmas and it's the holidays. So I say let's defer until February.
Is that possible?
Ms. Sheehan: Yes.
Chair: Fabulous.
Ms. Griffin: I do have a question about that and that is where the CZO is.
Mr. Hironaka: I was going to make a comment if I could.
Ms. Aiu: Please come up.
Chair: We can't hear you back there.
Mr. Hironaka: I think that the department is trying to accelerate the review of the phase 2 draft
and I think wanting to have that, I think the target for that is somewhere in January is where we
want to be in a position where we can put out a public document for review on the internet and
stuff like that.
Chair: Is that what that email was from.
Mr. Hironaka: But we are still going over it so I am not sure if we are going to be able to hit but
that's our target.
Chair: Ok then with that in mind we should meet.
Ms. Griffin: Did you clarify? I got an email a few days ago asking what we meant by cultural.
That it was a broad term and where we want to insert in the ordinance and happily I was able to
pass the buck to Kuulei. I said she's our Chair ask her and I copied her on that message. So but it
was because they are looking at Article 25,
Chair: Ok with that in mind can we schedule a meeting right now, our P I G meeting? Cause it's
you and you.
Mr. Hironaka: It's my understanding the P I G can meet at any time. It doesn't have to be
noticed.
Q uqLr: 1 know but since. we are all in the room can I set it up right now. Ok fabulous let's get out
OUr calendars. The wec. >k of the 17 th and the 2lst is fabulous for me. We can meet in my office in
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Puhi if that works for the two of you. We have a great conference room. It's very nice and
comfortable.
Ms. Griffin: The fdllowing week.
Chair: I am sorry to do this in front of all of you. What date is good for you.
Ms. Griffin: A great time for me would be Tuesday thy; 18t1' about nine in the morning.
Mr. Long: In the morning?
Chair: In the morning?
Ms. Griffin: You don't like that?
Mr. Long: Nb that's fine. I got two boys coming in on the 18"'.
Ms. Griffin: Oh what time are they coming? We can meet right before.
Mr, Long: Evening end of the day. One is from Cambridge and the other is from...
Chair: The 17t" I am actually in Oahu that day. I am sorry I can meet from the 18t" to the 21"
Ms. Griffin: Yes he is talking about the 18t"
Chair: Oh on the 18"' you have boys coming in the evening? Can you meet in the afternoon?
Ms. Griffin: Sure if that would help you.
Mr. Long: Yes I think so.
Chair: Ok do you want to let us know what time?
1-1 o w about t:lae end of the day.
Ms, Gr, ffin: Yes so 3 :30 or four'/"
Mr. Lonr: Four.
Chair: Ok perfect. Four o'clock we will meet at my office, Unlimited Construction, it's in PAL
You pass by Mark's place. There is a stop sign right there. You take a right and we are in the
corner. It's called Unlimited Construction. Ok sorry everyone.
Mr. Long: Ok and your phone number?
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Chair: 634 -8004.
Mr. Hironaka: You know commissioners it is the holidays, we appreciate the way you folks
are... the amendment can come at a different time apart from the CZO update. It doesn't
necessarily have to be at the time of the CZO update. It might be an opportune time but it can
also be a separate amendment submitted too. So we have, I think I saw the need to have some
language change in the ordinance which is more of a house keeping measure which I am sure we
will bring to you anyway. Now whether we include that as part of the CZO update or as a.
separate amendment is something for us to look at.
Ms. Griffin: If you all don't have right at the tip of your fingers a copy of our ordinance email
me and I will send you the URL for the CZO or Chapter 8 and it's easy to search historic
preservation review commission but I will be happy to send you the copy so you can access it
easily.
Mr. Hironaka: And we hope to post the newly adopted phase one which we are waiting for that
to be approved. We are waiting for that to be approved by the Council. So once that get's
approved we can put that on the website cause that is the new and improved CZO.
Ms. Griffin: Excellent so if you can email us.
Mr. Hironaka: Sure.
C, llir: 1�ut loos.
NEW BUSINESS
Re: Class IV Zoning Permit Z4V- 2012 -2, Use Permit U- 2012 -2 and Special
Management Area Use Permit SMA(U)- 20134, to allow after- the -fact
improvements involving Lot 6 of the Kahili Makai Subdivision, which includes
construction of a concrete retAining wall, drainage sump, and extension of concrete
driveways — Tax Map fey (4)5 -2-021 ;006, Kilauea, Kauai, Lauren Nicole Spellman
Smith and Brian John Smith.
Letter (September 20, 2012) to Ms. Jody Galinato, Planner, County of Kauai
Planning Department from Puaalaokalani D. Am, Ph.D., Administrator, State
Historic Preservation Division.
Letter (November 9, 2012) to Hallatt Hammatt, Ph.D, Cultural Surveys Hawai'i
from Pua D. Aiu, Ph.D., Administrator, State Historic Preservation Division.
Chair: Class IV, Use Permit, SMA Use to allow after- the -fact improvements involving Lot 6 of
the Kahili Makai Subdivision, which includes construction of a concrete retaining wall, drainage
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sump, and extension of concrete driveway, tax map key (4)5 -2- 021:006, Kilauea, Kauai, Laruen
Nicole Spellman Smith and Brian John Smith. Anyone, are you here for the project?
Ms. Lorna Nishimitsu: I just represent the applicants and came in case there are any questions.
Chair: Ok do you want to come up just in case we do have questions. No free path sorry.
Ms. Nishimitsu: Good afternoon my names is Lorna Nishimitsu attorney for Lauren and Brian
Smith who are here before you for an after -the -fact permit for work that was done by their
predecessor in interest which they were aware of when they purchased. I don't want you to think
that they were unaware of what has happened but they elected to purchase knowing that they
would have to come before a government agency to legitimize what took place.
1 don't think that, you rfiay have not read the really think application that is before the Planning
Coninussion [')ut the work that the predecessors have done took place after violations occurred on
the property by another predecessor. Those were cured to the satisfaction of government
agencies and when the new dwner came on wanting to do all of this ag and continue what has
been started in order to do that they built retaining walts. They also improved driveways so that
the trucks that had to get down there to do the planting, harvesting, etc. and I have been out to
that property and when it's slick its slick which doesn't justify what was done without permits
but the intent was to expand on the agricultural activities that have been started by Floyd Miller,
continued by Diana Mink and the Smiths are continuing the nurturing of those plants.
They are hopeful that in the future they can find a market. They have explored it while they were
on island. There is not much interest (inaudible) cause people give them away and what I
suggested that until they can get a market that will produce meaningful income, continue letting
their tenant who is in the house, a long term tenant, take the product and also see if they can
donate it to entities such as neighborhood centers, senior organizations. So they said that they
would be exploring that. They also got a guy working for them wh9 still is with NTBG advising
them and helping them with the continued maintenance of the property. So basically they are
here as they were before the Planning Commission and throwing themselves on your mercy.
Mr. Wichman: If I may Madame Chair. My understanding of SHPD position at this particular
point I saw the letter that essentially asked Hal Hammatt to go in and do the survey and his no
affect and the response letter, Pua's letter, essentially is pointing nQw the mitigations aspects of it
that he asked Hal to do. Is that where they are, the application is kind of pending right now in
that mitigation.
Ms. Nishimitsu: SHPD is actually pending some clarification from cultural surveys. The doctor
(inaudible) at Cultural Surveys wasn't clear in its clarification of its initial assessment. So that is
what is being worked on at this particular stage. And so my client again, well you know they are
at the mercy of the consultants and the agencies so they are just waiting to see what the
conditions will be that will be imposed on what would be you know a valid permit so that they
can continue moving forward. And I lectured them about what you think that what you might
want to do in the future is going to be Qk but it's a very special area so if you are planting stuff in
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the ground you cannot do improvements and you have to leave whatever sites that exist at this
stage.
.. Wic�clrt; The tir;)t priority is to clear the 2007
ill "List a second. The „ econd one was that SHPD
archeological assessmc�llt, all this is leading to the
SI -iPD is asking for a preservation plan?
at this particular point and I will get to that
asked for archeological inventory survey,
preservation plan. Is the owner aware that
Ms. Nishimitsu: They have been provided with all the communications exchanged between
Cultural Surveys and SHPD. So they are aware to the extent depending on how carefully they
read it.
Mr. Wichman: And I assume that the preservation plan is including this kuleana that is on the
land right there and that would be one of the reasons why we are asking that. I know that they
would not require and archeological inventory unless they are expecting at some point a
preservation plan.
Ms. Nishimitsu: The preservation plan if any that have been implemented in the past wasn't good
enough to flag the historic sites that were first noted during the original.
Mr. Wichman: The burial treatment plan has been approved already. That's already there. That's
part of it, the preservation p1gn, would be the you know that's all included in the so yea.
Ms. Nishimitsu: I am not aware of any burials that have been found on the property.
Mr. Wichman: According to the thing there is one, Kaipo Chandler's uncle is in the kuleana.
Kaipo Chandler, it was actually done nay Scientific Consultants in '97, identified on that site.
Ms. Nishimitsu: Was it on this particular CPR unit or someplace on lot 6?
Mr. Wichman: That is something that was not made utterly clear.
Ms. Nishimitsu: What happened was lot 6 was condominiumized so the area where the work
tools place was only on unit 6 and of course they will abide whatever conditions or
recommendations are implemented when the Planning Commission takes the advice of the
agencies and says these are the conditions of your approval.
Mr. Wichman: So let's go into the mitigation cause that seems to be where the sticky wicket is.
SHPD is asking for a list of mitigations and I am sure the Planning Commission when they go in
would want to see that. And in order to satisfy SHPD and be clear with that then I think you are
open now to approach the Planning Commission.
One mitigation measure could be that it is within Hawaiian culture that when something precious
is taken out, something else is put back in its place. Now a simple solution to that one would be
in that there is quite a bit of property, would the landowner object to planting 20 yellow ohia?
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Ms. Nishimitsu: I don't think they would object to it. I think the question would be where would
we find viable plant specimens?
Mr. Wichman: Easy one right now is the Karen kosenberger. She was ten years propagator for
NTBG. She has a Native Hawaiian nursery in Omao. That one you can make sure you can get
the genetic bank species from the area with her. Ahother one too is Leland Nishek; he has a lot of
Hawaiian plants and can kind of ask the pedigree of those. And then there are other Hawaiian
plant cultivators on the island so those are readily available and inexpensive.
Ms. Nishimitsu: Ohia?
Mr. Wichman. Ohia. The idea is that by planting the 20 Ohia you create a Hawaiian micro
environment right there and that would help mitigate the Hawaiian saying if something is taken
you replace it back and then that would be able to create another micro environment right there
and would help in the mitigation measures right there.
Ms. Nishimitsu: Would the placement of the trees be something that you would dictate or would
their caretaker would be appropriate?
Mr. Wichman: No, no that's as far as I am going to go is that if you are open to planting the 20
yellow Ohia then I think SHPD would be happy with that. The Planning Commission would be
ok with that.
Chair: Pat did you want to say something?
Ms. Griffin: I was just a little confused. You are suggesting that in addition to the
recommendation that SHPD made, not substituting the burial treatment plan that they.. .
Mr. Wichnian: No, no the burial treatment plan
would only deal with the buffers of that.
Ms. Griffin: Ok because it does show...
we are not touching. That's Burial Council. We
Mr. Wichman: The preservation plan is happening, part of the preservation plan is all that. That's
a separate issue.
Ms. Griffin: It does show the owner's intent to build a small platform.
Mr. Wichman: Yes that would be in their preservation plan, something descriptive of what they
are going to be doing. But that's separate right? Right now SHPD is asking for their mitigation
and prior to the after - the -fact approval of the permit. I am sure that the Planning Commission has
their conditions but within the historical preservation aspects which is our commission's purview
only that I thought it would go a long way in demonstrating a willingness to repair a landscape
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that might have been destroyed by past owner but at the same time it does not give the new land
owner financial burden to clear up that as a simple cheap solution.
Ms. Nishimitsu: You know having working with Brian and Laurel, they struck me as being very
willing to appease the agencies and whatever people inight have been unhappy with what is
there. I think the greatest unhappiness happened in 2003 to be honest with you. But because there
is not much you can sbe on the property because of the heavy growth that occurs on it. So I am
just hoping that the yellow Ohia, if it is a condition of this commission and then ratified by the
Planning Commission that they will thrive given the heavy growth already.
Mr. Wichman: I have no question cause that's what grew there before, Koa and Ohia all the way
to the ocean's edge.
Chair: Does anybody else have any questions or comments? No.
Mr. Wichman: Then can I make a motion that KHPRC recommends in the way of mitigation for
the after -the -fact permit that 20 Ohia Mamo (yellow) will be planted in a grove on the property.
Ms. Sheehan: Second.
Chair: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote). Fabulous. Thank you very much.
Ms. Nishimitsu: In a grove right?
Mr. Wichman: Yes. The idea is to micro Hawaiian climate because all of the native birds will
come to it and within a short full years it will become the pride of the eastside right there. But
don't tell them that yet.
Ms. Griffin: Before you leave I would like to tell you that your brother was a cherished member
of our commission and he left us to soon and I will always miss him.
Ms. Nishimitsu: I think I miss him more than you. Thank. you.
Re: Class IV Zoning Permit Z -IV- 2013 -6 and Use Permit U- 2013 -6 to construct a
storage shed — Tax Map Key 2 -8 -008 :019, Koloa, Kauai = Olegario & Anne E. Rivera.
Chair: Alright next on'our agenda, Class IV Zoning Permit Z -IV- 2013 -6 and Use Permit U -213-
6 to construct a storage shed, Tax Map Key 2 -8- 008:019, Koloa, Kauai, Olegario & Anne E.
Rivera.
Mr. Wichman: Nobody here on behalf of this applicant. Have you had a chance to review?
Mr. Lon?: I tools a look at it.
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Mr. Wichman: Can you give tell us your thoughts?
Chair: Did we get something from this one?
Ms. Sheehan: We did.
Ms. Griffin: It's around the side of the old Koloa Town Shopping Complex. So it's by the Chang
property there going down Weli Weli Road. It came before the commission some years ago,
across the street from it there were several houses and there would be a little development.
Chair: Is that the one across from the court and the neighborhood center?
Ms. Griffin: It's just up the street from the neighborhood center.
Chair: Is that ABC Store and the federal credit union building.
Ms. Griffin: There is a map here and so ypii have got'..
Mr. Loniz: I didn't see on the map where you have got on the aerial photo where this building is
going to go.
Ms. Griffin: Right the natural position of and at one point it talks about sheds, plural, and I was
concerned about that as well.
Mr. Kaaina Hull: Just some clarification for the commission. The proposed new single structure
did have to go to Planning Commission and referred to this commission because the new
structure is within the Historic Koloa Town and in particular the within the Special Treatment
Cultural District which requires additional oversight because of the cultural overlay and so any
three dimensional alteration within that district requires additional oversight. It is a single shed
with multiple rooms hence the reference to sheds. So I think there are three compartments within
a single structure. In the drawings that were initially provided by the application there were
attempts to at least somewhat conform.
Mr. Wichman: Yes that is in 7.2, compatibility with surrounding uses and it says subject property
is surrounded by vacant land, residential use, commercial uses. The storage sheds are small
unobtrusive and will not interfere with the enjoyment of the nearby properties. The architectural
style of the shed is in the Hawaiian plantation style and is meant to blend in with nearby
buildings in Koloa town. It will be painted in earthen tones. Are we in the Hawaiian plantation
style with the shed?
MS.,,.G11-f n4 Well (inaudible).
MrL1jg: l.t would be in the dingle slope.
Ms. Griffin: Do we know where the shed is going? If this is a big square.
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Ms. Aiu: So Kaaina is each door a compartment?
Mr. Hull: Yes each door is a compartment yes.
Ms. Griffin: Perhaps yes that is what I was trying to see if I.
Chair: It's that square.
Mr. Hull: It's only a couple hundred feet so.
Mr. Long: So it's 29 by. I .
Mr. Hull: 30 by 10. So 300 square feet total.
Mr. Wichman: Yes so anything over 20 by 30 in a farm shed has got issues. But I think other
than that from my understanding in farm dwellings and stuff like that the 20 by 30 up to there it
is there. So they are within that. You said 30 by 10.
Mr. Hull: 30 by 10 but the actual zoning itself is commercial. So whatever type of use they want
to throw in that thing be it retail or be it storage what they are proposing is already permitted in
the district. The concern overreaching for this commission and I think even for the department
though in our review of it is essentially the architectural style.
Chair: It's so ugly.
Ms. Griffin: It looks like it is kind of anonymous. Is this actually what they are proposing? Is it
to scale and everything?
c.�ig: It .appears U.) be yes.
:Ms, Gri =tin; Because lii preservation standards having it complimentary to its surroundings is
what we would want to go for. We wouldn't want it to look old but look complimentary and so
melding with the surroundings is good as long as it do'e:sn't cross that line and there behind the
current crazy shirts that little what used to be Drummer's Hotel as they were coming. And I
believe that it really looks a lot like this. So I don't know that this is compatible.
Mr. Wichman: Would you call this plantation vernacular?
Chair: It would've been nice if they would have sent pictures of the area that was surrounding it
and what places look like around it and if they came to the meeting and you know what I mean?
Can we say we want to see more data?
Ms. Aiu: Well is it going where Exhibit D is?
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Mr. Hull: Yes exactly. So essentially where that taco truck is, is where they are proposing it.
Ms. Griffin: In terms of plantation vernacular if the wood siding where going vertical rather than
horizontal I think it would be more in line but as far as the shed roof and the posts I don't think
that is incompatible and. from my eyes this does not look it would be out of place or outside our
comfort zone as a new structure in that special treatment overlay district.
Chair: and just to make note when I first started here there was that one on Koloa, you know
right across the gas station in that little salon that came in. They wanted to redo and all that kind
of stuff. That thing is so ugly and I feel bad that we said yes to it because it totally doesn't blend
with the town. They picked colors that are so bright and off and I don't think it blended well with
the whole historic part of...
Ms. Aiu: That was the old telephone building right.
Chair: Yes and it turned into like a little salon right and so they had to come here and we had to
approve and all that kind of stuff and they had their plans and it all looked good on paper but
when they actually did it, it doesn't. I mean they did like a fluorescent blue you know and the
rest of the town is like more darker colors and stuff like that. They did this white bright fence. I
don't even know but all I know is every time I drive by I am so disappointed that you know they
ctlnie to us and they di.dii't really.
Ms. Griffin: If it is any comfort we don't consider paint a character defining element.
Chair: That is just way too bad.
Ms. Aiu: We should. Look at Olymple Cafe in Kapa`a.
Chair: I mean we should cause isn't that part of the whole historical thing the color concept and
all that kind of stuff. So I think it is really hard to tell and I hate to add to more of the chaos of
this whole section when (inaudible).
Ms. Aiu: What: is this roof made up of? Does anybody know?
Mr. Hull: I don't think we have a specific material.
Mr. Wichman: It should be totan if it is plantation. Let's discuss totan options today.
Mr. Long: Totan?
Mr. Wichman: Corrugated iron.
Mr. Long: Before we go there can I ask a question? Is the use storage is it retail?
Mr. Hull. It's proposed storage.
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Mr. Long: I know about that.
Mr. Hull: And that is what I was trying to get at earlier. The commission had the same concerns
when it was brought before them, the Planning Commission, and their concerns is what if it gets
converted. The department's position is that because it is zoned commercial be it storage or be it
retail it is a generally permitted use in that zoning district.
Mr. Long: Ok I have an observation and some
the exterior siding is shown as a vertical and
compatii�ie with the planl.ation style vernacul
Wrizontal. siding and 1 would suggest that the
this area then a horizontal siding.
thoughts. One observation is that on the drawings
I assume its board and batten where it would be
ar. The drawing /rendering that we have shows a
vertical board and batten is more appropriate for
With regards to the roof thing there is no indication as to what the roofing material is.. On the
rendering it is shown as asphalt shingles and on a shed roof, this is just architectural construction
details, but on a stied roof you don't want asphalt shingles on less then a one /three slope. So the
roofing then is that conversation thdt you want to add and I would suggest that they take a look at
the neighboring and that would be standing seam metal roof of to use a corrugated.
Mr. Wichman: There is another option on corrugated now that I really like. Home Depot has it
and it comes in green, red, and brown. It is totan. You have seen it up there I am sure. It is totan
but it is made from a material that is way more durable. It's not going to rust. It has it is fire
proof elements so I know its code otherwise they wouldn't be selling like it is. There is a really
good alternative to it but the only issue is anytime when I would use a totan roof of sorts I would
be insulating it and allow that insulation because it would make that interior so much better. But
we don't freed to go there with that. That material is really good. It's pretty much the same price
as totan.
Mr. Long: My other thoughts have to do with the aesthetics of the building and I understand that
it is a shed yet it appears that it is going to have public visibility on a major street and within a
shopping district area. So one might take a look at the aesthetics and ask if there is any way that
one could make the building appear to be more residential and less industrial. Instead of maybe a
vent or in addition to a vent maybe on the elevations facing the street that there be some kind of a
window put in there. I don't know if that fits into the program with a storage and security but
fenestration tends to lessen the scale and make it more residential and articulate the volume of
the structure just as somebody might want to take d look at that with the design.
Mr. Wichman: And then earth tones. The final point would be the tone.
Chair: Can we throw in some native plants in there too.
Ms. Griffin: That's outside, it's not historic.
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Mr,. Lottg: Arid as part: of fenestration you had molding and trim to the side of the window and it
11.181 starts to break up the form*
(:'lrr: ��hose are sonic good points.
Mr. Wichman: Adding trim to break up form.
Ms. Griffin: Does old Koloa Town have covenants or requirements for its lessees? Does the
special treatment district have color requirements for other construction?
Mr. Hull: This one doesn't. There are some overlays that have. Lihu'e Town Core has the
requirements some of us are well aware of. But the special treatment in Koloa doesn't.
Ms. Sheehan: I had a question. This to me doesn't look at all like this picture because it just
doesn't, this is white concrete and then this is gray. Which way is the building going to face?
Mr. Hull: So it's going to face, the doors are going to face the parking lot.
Ms. Griffin: So the side will face.
Mr. Hull: As I understood in their presentation.
Ms. Sheehan: So if they morph something like that. If it was a shed and then it morphs into
something that is still compatible doing they have to come to code for parking if it goes from
shed to comrriercial don't you have to make sure you have enough parking.
Mr. Hull: They do.
Ms. Sheehan: Do they own both sides?
Mr. Hull: No that's the community center on the other side. So as far as the parking
requirements they do meet them particularly because the storage, for commercial you count net
space unless it is a commercial storage facility.
Ms. Sheehan: So if I am looking this way. This is the road and that is the.. .
Mr. Hull: That is actually taken from the structure on the property. So the road should be right
here cause this is the back of Big Save right here. So the picture is actually taking from here
looking that way.
Chair: I think all the neighbors are red.
Mr. Hull: The photographer is here and then the van is...
Mr. Wichman: I think we have a big laundry list already.
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Chair: Do we want to make a motion?
Ms. Griffin: I think so cause we are going to run out of time to get back to them. If the Planning
Commission, have they made a decision?
Mr. Hull: The Planning Commission acted but it was contingent upon the department receiving
this body's recommendation and incorporating them into the building permit review.
Ms. Griffin: Ok.
Chair: Alright are you ready?
Ms. Aiu: Ok I will base it what we have done and I can retract. We first move that the boards be
vertical instead of horizontal.
Mr. Long: Vertical board and batten.
Ms. Aiu: Vertical board and batten and we secondly say that the roof be of some type of totun
material. It could be what you said Randy the formation of totun. How do we address that?
Mr. Long: I have never heard that word before.
Mr. Wichman: It's Filipino word.
Mr. Lou: I know corrugated.
Ms. Aiu: Well they opened themselves up when they said plantation see. So we used the
plantation term. We could put corrugated in parenthesis or something.
Ms. Griffin: Maybe you are starting by saying that we agree with the plantation vernacular so
that.. .
Ms. Aiu: Ok that's a good way to start.
Mr. Wichman: So that the roofing materials will resemble the corrugated iron.
Chair: You want the window in there.
Ms. Aiu: Somebody else tell the window, bring in the paint. So we got how we want the board
and batten to go. We got the roof.
Chair: We got the window because it brings out more and if you notice those businesses around
it are more cottage looking right.
Mr. Long: So one might say all exterior elevations to receive some fenestration /windows.
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Ms. Aiu: Some what kind of windows?
Mr. Long: To receive some fenestration. Fenestration means windows. To receive some
windows, some fenestration.
Chair: Some plantation style window.
Mr. Long: Yes to match the plantation style.
Chair: And then the color scheme earth tones, red roofs.
Ms. Aiu: That would be compatible with the existing buildings.
Chair: Correct yes.
Mr. Loniz: Adjacent, existing buildings.
Mr. Hull: Compatible with adjacent buildings.
Mr. Wichman: Yes there a green one and a red one. So essentially he is saying choose on or the
other.
Chair: Not the blue.
Mr. Hull: And earth tones.
Ms. Griffin: Plantation green and plantation red aren't really earth tones.
Ms. Sheehan: A red dirt burnt red.
Chair: Ok so restate.
Mr. Wichman: Restating the motion...
Ms. Sheehan: I would like to just bring up another thing. I don't know we tend to like pictures.
These doors do not look shed like. They just look like they are going to be commercial because
they have got a window in them.
Ms. Griffin: Like Kaaina says Patsy they can be.
Chair: It should be plantation doors.
Ms. Sheehan: My point being that I don't think a window, if you are going to already have a
door that is going to be kind of a window. It doesn't give you enough information but this does
not look shed like to me at all. I mean it's a...
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Mr. Hull: When we were reviewing the initial application the department did instruct them cause
they were under the impression that they would be just coming over the counter for a class I
zoning permit for the shed. Given the special treatment cultural overlay we informed that it will
be architectural elements that they would be reviewed upon and a lot of these improvements
were based on somewhat which is why I thing the fenestration comment is somewhat to the point
and a lot of the reason why this structure looks and why it doesn't look so much like a shed is
because it wag some of the applicant's attempt to have it have somewhat of a residential feel
because of the architectural concern.
Mr. Long: The rendering shows single swing doors per unit and the drawing show double 3' 0
doors per unit. So they are out swing doors but the drawings /elevations show two 3' 0 out swing
doors per unit. I think we wanted them to keep to that design as opposed to what is shown in the
rendering which is just one single 3' 0 per unit.
Ms. Griffin: I think what you have said in a couple of different times is that we are more
comfortable with the architectural drawings with the side elevation, the front elevation than with
this rendering.
Mr. Long: Yes. Just note in the rendering it shows a single 4x4 vertical post. In the elevations it
shows an articulated base to that.
Ms. Griffin: Yes all of those are. What we are seeing here is very different than what is.
Mr. Wichman: The language that we are going to use on the double swinging doors is?
Mr. Long: Double 3' 0 out swinging doors per storage unit, R6.nch doors per storage unit and not
the rendering. That's common in architectural drawings. The rendering is really light in detail but
the drawings are mdre appropriate.
Ms. Sheehan: They should be consistent with each other.
Chair: Ok are you ready?
Mr. Wichtman: I am going to restate Ms. Aiu's. I .
Nir,Lc�tib: Can we put wme plants in there too`?
(:.hair: Native.
Ms. Aiu: Ok we still have, like Pat said we agree with the plantation style vernacular.
Mr. Wichnnan: Ok what do you want to do about the plantings?
Ms. Sheehan: We should include it somewhere.
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Chair: They should include native plants.
Mr. Wichman: Well plantation plants.
Ms. Sheehan: Yes as much as I love native plants and I think that to be consistent we should talk
in terms of...
Chair: Plantation? Ok perfect.
Mr. Wichman: So what you are saying put a crown flower up there and then have everybody raid
it. Puakinikini?
Ms. Sheehan: Isn't consistent that the square is vegetation where the building is going to go but
when you look at the picture its concrete. So there is no vegetation. So if you were really
building something in a place that has vegetation already then you just pull out the too much and
you leave the rest of it. I mean you leave some of it. But I can't really tell if they are building this
on concrete already or the square that we have seen has vegetation in it.
Ms. Griffin: The square is not scaled in the same way. I think the question we need to ask
following on yours is how close to the road will the side of this building become? Are we
wasting time even talking about planting?
Mr. Hull: The specifics that ultimately comes down to the building permit application.
Ms. Sheehan: If the square in your drawing is in a planted area. In the picture at the end is in a
concrete area.
1 think Google rnaps is like 10 years old or something.
Mr. Hull: For the most part it is primarily concrete but there is a strip of pervious surface
essentially between the parking lot and the road.
Ms. Griffin: And it is consistent with trying to soften the commercial look in a residential feel to
add planting and I don't think we need to specify what plants they should dig in there.
Mr. Wichman: The general statement that landscaping that break up the outline...
Ms. Griffin: To soften..
Mr. Wichman: Would that be enough for the commission? Essentially the language would be
that the landscaping be there too but not define it.
Mr. Hull: That's fine.
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Chair: Ok go ahead.
Mr. Wichman: Ok Danita's motion is number one to use the vertical board and batten instead of
the horizontal that they are showing. That B, the roofing material is to resemble the corrugated
iron and there is new or more modern material that they can look at. And now we are within the
aesthetics part of it. The first one was the venting of the building like you mentioned.
Mr. Long: And. you want to address the vent in addition to the vent fenestration.
Mr. Wichman: Fenestration, window treatment and other fenestration. Three was the molding
and the trim to break up the form. Number four was that the scheme would be consistent with the
colors in the immediate area. The photos we are looking at are red and green. Number five is the
doors. You are looking at double 3' 0 out swing doors per storage unit and six to consider
landscaping to break up the form of the building.
Ms. Sheehan: Did you say in general we are in agreement with not the rendering but the....
IVji:, U.w.r: Construction documents.
11 s Slue an; Construction dotulnents because that's where we are getting these points.
Mr. Wichman: That the KHPRC is based on the architectural drawings not the computer
renderings.
Mr. Long: The details of the construction documents not the rendering.
Mr. Wichman: Follow blueprints.
Mr. Lon >;: Architectural details or construction documents.
Ms. Sheehan: They are going to show lip next time. (Laughter in the background).
Mr. Wichman: And the KHPRC recommends that they follow the architectural detail on the
construction document not the rendering. Are we good?
Chair: We are good. Can I get a second?
Ms. Griffin: Second.
Chair: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote). Perfect.
SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS
The next KHPRC meeting was scheduled on Thursday, January 3, 2013.
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ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 4:40 p.m.
Respectfully Su
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