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HomeMy WebLinkAboutmay22013 KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 3 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kaua` i County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held on May 2, 2013 in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 3 . The following Commissioners were present: Danita Aiu, Chairperson, Stephen Long, Vice Chairperson, Pat Griffin, Kuuleialoha Santos, and Patsy Sheehan. The following Commissioner(s) were absent : Jane Gray. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3 :05 p.m. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Chair : I am going to make some changes on the agenda. So I am going to move the CLG after the Grove Farm and Mr. Nagahiro and I am going to move to the historic planner to that same after. May I have approval of the agenda as changed? Ms. Sheehan : So moved. Ms. Santos: Second, Chair: Thank you. Myles said that he didn 't think Mike was going to be able to come in and if Mike does he is going to have a limited time at which time I will stop whatever we are doing and we will allow the Deputy Planner to speak to us. We have some matters with him and then we will go on. Ok thank you. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES The Minutes of the April 1 , 2013 meeting were approved as circulated. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS Re: Resolution on Preservation/Historic Planner for FY 2414 Budget. Ms. Griffin: The resolution on historic planner. That was up last week before the County Council . Did anybody go or know what happened? KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 3 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held on May 2, 2013 in the Lihue Civic Center, Moikeha Building, Meeting Room 3 . The following Commissioners were present: Danita Aiu, Chairperson, Stephen Long, Vice Chairperson, Pat Griffin, Kuuleialoha Santos, and Patsy Sheehan. The following Commissioner(s) were absent: Jane Gray . . CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3 : 05 p.m. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Chair: I am going to make some changes on the agenda. So I am going to move the CLG after the Grove Farm and Mr. Nagahiro and I am going to move to the historic planner to that same after. May I have approval of the agenda as changed? Ms . Sheehan: So moved. Ms . Santos : Second. Chair: Thank you. Myles said that he didn't think Mike was going to be able to come in and if Mike does he is going to have a limited time at which time I will stop whatever we are doing and we will allow the Deputy Planner to speak to us . We have some matters with him and then we will go on. Ok thank you. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES The Minutes of the April 1 , 2013 meeting were approved as circulated. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS Re: Resolution on Preservation/Historic Planner for FY 2014 Budget. Ms. Griffin: The resolution on historic planner. That was up last week before the County Council. Did anybody go or know what happened? May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meetnig Minutes Page 2 Mr. Jung: I saw that was on the consent calendar and I was watching, watching and then I lost track so I don't know if it was just accepted under the consent- calendar of if they actually debated cause under the new rules they can bring it out for debate or it can just be approved as accepted through the consent calendar. So we need to track that and see what happens. Ms . Griffin : That' s important cause it will tell us for May what we do next in terms of pushing this forward. Mr. Jung: Yes I will track it down and real quick I would like to introduce Nick our newest attorney in our office. This is Nick Courson this is Kauai Historic Preservation Commission. Ms . Griffin: And we know ourselves as KHPRC. Mr. Jung: No, no unfortunately for you guys I am still here. Nick just walked in so I wanted to embarrass him a little. Mr. Hironaka: Thanks for coming. Ms. Aiu: Thank you. Anything else before we lose quorum. Ms. Griffin: Just one last thing if you all find out that this resolution is going to be on the agenda for those of us who are not so closely involved with the county government it would be wonderful to get an email saying it will be on. Not that anyone of us could speak directly to it representing the KHPRC but we could certainly talk more about what that person would do. Why it' s important that we get the development plan started. Ms. Aiu: Thank you anything else? Ok thank you. COMMUNICATIONS There were no communications . UNIFINISHED BUSINESS Re: Certified Local Government (CLG) Status Mr. Hironaka: The contract for the inventory has been successfully negotiated. So we will be circulating the contract for execution by all parties. So they should be on board, hopefully, shortly. And then there is the training. I think we talked about the training sessions . So we have funding to send three commissioners. Ms. Santos : So who is going to that? May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 3 Mr, Hironaka: Stephen, Jane, and Pat. Ms . Griffin : Did you talk to Jane? Mr. Hironaka: Jane said she was going and I think Patsy she wanted to go if we can get funding from the State. We still haven 't gotten word from Mike Gushard. Ms . Griffin : In our minutes we moved to invite the Mayor to this meeting today. What happened with that? Ms . Santos: I had a meeting today and he changed it to yesterday cause he was super busy today. Mr. Hironaka: I know he couldn't change his schedule for today' s meeting. Ms. Griffin: Well as the CLG we are given now advisory and memorandums all the time and we are still not getting them back, what' s going out to the public, so I want to ask yet again when the memos go out from motions that we make that we get copies of it and particularly this one on the bridges was inaccurate it said that we met on March 1 , 2012 which we did but we also met on March 7 , 2013 so it makes it look like we hadn't had a decision in a year. Mr. Hironaka: We made the change to that. Ms . Griffin: Oh good I have gotten a copy of that and there was a bridge that was coming from the County Council yesterday and I do have some other things on this resolution. NEW BUSINESS Re: 1077 Moana Kai Road (Ken Nagahiro) Chair: Ok Mr. Nagahiro . Mr. Ken Nagahiro : Yes. Chair: Come. So this is 1077 Moana Kai Road. I went to look at it and I agree that it needs to be, that they need to demolish it. However it always makes us sad when we lose something on our inventory . When I was talking to you earlier I am sure it is sad for you too because you losing where your grandmother/grandparents lived and I am pretty sure there is a long history with that house being right on the beach. You probably went there for the summer whatever and I am sure you don' t want to lose it. My personal concern was when I saw what you wanted to replace it with, which said hollow tile. Mr. Nagahiro : Well that is just, we haven't really made a decision yet on what we are going to use to rebuild but I think hollow tile would be rust proof if anything. May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 4 Chair : I would agree with that. Are you thinking about putting some stucco maybe over the hollow tile . Mr. Nagahiro: Yes but that' s not for a while. We haven't made the decision on rebuilding yet or not. We just want to demolish it because of the liability. Chair : Well since you didn' t make a decision yet. I would like to make a suggestion. You know that is such a special place. Not everybody can have a place on the beach. It is a wonderful little spot. Plus you only have a few houses there and so two of em are maybe hollow tile, I don't know, but if you put stucco. So it' s more of a California beach look. But still it' s smaller and beach look and then the Dr. Paul ' s house is kind of big but all the other houses are smaller. It has a certain feel . It' s not just one house but with the houses that are there if when you are making that decision you can think about the hollow the covering with the stucco or something more in keeping with the area. That would be nice and it wouldn't be so . . . Ok other people besides me. Ms. Griffin: I guess for, this is one of those great examples that shows that there is a difference between the old and historic and old and doesn't really have what we call in this business integrity of a lot of its original structures . So I agree that demolition for the reasons you have stated is inevitable. I don't know what kind of photos you may have of your family' s historic in the house but one of what we call mitigating factors of being able to remember where we came from and have that for the future if you have old pictures and if there is a way to document that place that would be a wonderful addition to our knowledge of that. Mr. Nagahiro : Another reason I wanted to demo it cause the homeless have been breaking into the house. They just trashed the whole inside so everything is all destroyed, all the photos everything. So we cleaned out the place already so we just want to demo it. Chair: So you don't have any photos? Mr. Nagahiro : They took everything upside down but the roof is leaking to so everything got all . wet and destroyed. Chair : Anybody else? Mr. Nagahiro : My aunt them might have some pictures . Ms . Griffin: If there is a way for you to pull something together cause that is kind of neighborhood in transition too and that will at least have a little part of the past that continues to live. So I am not sure that I want to ask that as a requirement but. . . Mr. Lona: Where would he send that and in what form? Ms. Griffin: We normally ask that photos or copies be archived at the Kauai Museum and the Historical Society. I am sure if you have copies that you can give to the Planning Department. May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 5 Myles Hironaka is our staff member. They would be happy to distribute it to archives and can keep it. Mr. Nagahiro : I can try to hunt some down but not guarantee . Ms. Sheehan: It may just show up in somebody else ' s album. You believe the integrity has been lost in this house and it is a definitely a security problem. You need to secure that space. Chair : Anybody else? Thank you for letting us look at this. Ms. Santos : Do we need a motion? Chair: No motion is necessary. Mr. Jung : I am sorry. Chair: Ok. Mr. Jung: I was looking at my email. Chair: It said here review of the survey. Mr. Jung: I am going back to the previous one. It would just be a motion to basically accept it because there it is a demo permit that is being requested. So a motion based on the language that I think Pat had articulated would be appropriate. Ms. Griffin: I move that we accept the demolition permit as written and request that the owner provide any available photographs possible. Ms. Santos: Second, Chair: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) . Thank you. Mr. Jung: We will notify him since he already left. Re: Waihohonu Development (Grove Farm Properties) Chair : On this one we are reviewing the survey. What I understand you are offering us two choices and that is demolition or moving. Is that it? Would there be another option on this? Ok I would just like to be sure. Thank you ok. Mr. Dave Hinazumi : Good afternoon Commission. My name is Dave Hinazumi and I represent Grove Farm Properties. With me at this time are our consultants Tonya Moy of Fung and Associates and Kimi Yuen of PBR Hawaii. At this time we will present an overview of or May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 6 Waihohonu Project as well as our plan disposition for the existing homes in the project site and request your input. Waihohonu is a housing project that will turn a site for six rental homes into a site for up to 50 new for sale homes . The project is geared to low and moderate income groups. For this project we retained Tonya to commission an architectural assessment survey of the homes and at this time she will present her findings . Ms. Tonga Mov: Just to start off with it was more like an historic integrity assessment. I think mainly because everybody sort of understood that Koloa Camp, the whole plantation, as far as the history of it, it is a very significant part of the history of Kauai, history of Hawaii: So we were just tasked to you know kind of do a windshield survey and a basic assessment of its integrity. So this shows it today and the numbers correspond to the houses that are left. And this is a 1918 map of Koloa Plantation and it shows that many of the houses were on the outside. And the next one, which is a 1923 map but I guess it was found in Grove Farm' s file so all those Xs, we don't know when those Xs happened but as you know they are not there anymore. So and then we tried to superimpose where the houses are now on that same map and as you can see there. is very little correlation with the 1923 map of where the houses are. So and we had actually talked to Alan Smith you used. to be the Grove Farm General Manager. He had told us that after Iniki that a lot of the houses were either destroyed or some of em were put back together again or taken from like if there was three houses that were kind of similar they would make one house out of it or whatever. So they kind of put things together after Iniki which explains why I guess a lot of em are not in the same footprint so they might have moved it also . So going house by house cause there is only eight houses right. So this was the one behind the old Japanese School and the Japanese School I guess is going to be left alone for this project right now. So this one was one that was definitely put together and I guess this would fall under the category of Pat' s old house. Cause it was kind of using old parts so it looks really old and we weren 't sure but you know after talking to Alan Smith it was clear that it was put together from different parts of other buildings . So when we looked at it and the district we felt it no longer had the character of a camp . So you know like the integrity if someone came back it would, somebody who lived in that camp they might recognize the house or so but it would no longer have the feeling of a camp. But we looked at it house by house and we felt that there were some houses that held enough integrity and character to be eligible for its architecture. So as a district you know like and we kind of did a brief talking with Mike and Ross from the Historic Preservation Division and they had gone and seen it and so we did an informal consultation with them and they kind of agreed that it no longer had a camp, it no longer had a district but individually we looked at it individually and tried to determine if it still had architectural integrity . So this one we really didn't think so. This one I think we had it as a questionable cause we really couldn' t see this one too well. So we are not really sure about this one but I think there was a lot May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 7 of bushes around it. It may, because it had its original windows and stuff, so it may have enough integrity to be a good example of a plantation style. This one was the Inouye house and the front porch actually has changed over the years and this one was one of those that was kind of falling apart cause it was empty for quite a few years already. So and then the windows and doors had changed and this is one house, we have it by numbers, so these two are the same house. So this one we kind of felt was kind of a nice example of a 1950s plantation house. So we thought this one was one that would be eligible. for its architecture. And here is one that is a very classic kind of a plantation house that falls under C for cute buildings. And this one also kind of same kind of plantation and then this one was one that looks really old but was in pieces. You could tell it was put together in parts. So again one that we are pretty sure in Iniki cause some of it looks 50s and some looks 1900s even. So we feel pretty confident that this one was put together after Iniki . And this is another one that was kind of piece meal some extension here and some addition here that was probably put together so another one we think lacks integrity to be considered eligible. That' s the same house . So that' s it for the presentation and again this was an integrity assessment. We didn' t go into the history cause it was well accepted already that it would be significant for history . Mr. Hinazumi : So the existing homes that you saw are susceptible to flooding and that' s a condition that we don't want. So to alleviate the problem we plan to re-grade the site to raise the building pads as well as provide foundations for the homes. This requires that the existing homes be removed from the site. As a low to moderate income project it is important that we manage the cost as best as we can. So it would be ideal if we could move the homes one time to a permanent site. We have contacted some parties about possible reuse of the homes for school use. We have also contacted Mike Faye to take a look at the homes to make a determination whether they would be relocated or not and for the most part all of the homes accept for that one Inouye house looks like it can be relocated. The Inouye house, as Tonya mentioned, has been vacant over the years and he didn't think, due to its condition, that it could be relocated. But we haven't made a final determination yet. We are hoping to find a permanent site for the homes prior to coming in to request a relocation permit. We believe Waihohonu is project that is going to meet a great demand for housing. It will be marketed to our island residents and we respectfully request you input on our plans to relocate the homes and we welcome your recommendations including ways to commemorate the history of the camp both at the site as well as on our website . Thank you for your attention on this matter. Chair: Is that it? Mr. Hinazumi : Yes. May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Mecting Minutes Page 8 Chair: Alright commissioners do you want to give some input? Mr. Long : I have some questions . So you feel that seven of the homes are worth saving? Seven of the homes could be moved but not worth. . . Ms . Moy: Not all seven would be considered eligible for listing but whether it' s worth moving or not is a different question but architecturally I think we had like four I think that we thought were eligible that we thought maintained enough architectural integrity. Mr. Long: And how many homes are going on the site? How many new homes or units? Mr. Hinazumi : Up to 50 . Mr. Long: Up to 50, five zero? Mr. Hinazumi : Yes . Mr. Long: So that' s a fairly dense, how many acres? Mr. Hinazumi : Approximately twelve acres. Mr. Long: Are they homes on individual lots? Mr. Hinazumi : Yes and just to correct that we are talking to two different contractors at this time and at one time we were looking at doing steel frame homes. The intent is of course to market low to moderate income and the best was to do that is to manage our cost as best as we can. So we looked at that option and we heard a lot of comments and that wasn't a very popular option. So we are now talking to two contractors looking to do wood frame homes. The cost, it is more expensive it' s not question to do it that way but we definitely wanted to respond to the comments that were brought up so we made that change. Mr. Long: I have a couple more questions . How high do you intend to raise the first floors? Mr. Hinazumi: Approximately one to four feet. Mr. Lou: So minimally. It would be a step up to a stoop. Are the houses going to be one story then? Mr. Hinazumi : Yes all one story. Mr. Long : Ok well I have a thought for consideration and that is that you have got a 12 acre site. You are putting 50 local smaller, medium, lower income homes. They are going to be about the same size or a little larger than existing structures are you are going to raise them up a couple feet. I would wonder if there might be a developmental opportunity for you to take the four homes that has some integrity and move them on your own site. You have got 50 home sites all May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 9 stacked in. This could create an entry element. It could create a little back of what your design is for your new subdivision. It is going to have to be linear with homes on either side. Ok so there is an opportunity to set the tone of the subdivision and reinforce the historical component of it by relocated those homes within your project. You don't have to build them. You don't have to buy them. All you have to do is move then a little bit and raise them up and work with Michael professionally Michael Faye moving homes and he has a place to move them but that' s Waimea. This is just right around the corner. So it' s a thought for your consideration. Did you give them some thought? Mr. Hinazumi : We gave them some thought and we know the homes need to be brought up to existing code. Things such as lead paint are a big concern to these homes. Structural integrity is something that would need to be looked at. Also our current energy codes need to be complied with as well. So those are some you know, that' s a consideration. We haven't closed the book on that consideration but it was on the costly considerations. But thank you for that recommendation and we will relook at it. Mr. Long: I really feel, I mean you know if Michael Faye can move then a quarter of the way around the island to make them work then you know maybe you could make em work on your own side. And you have got four of them. Just perfect two and two and create a little neighborhood in itself. It' s not like they are out of place or sore thumbs in a brand new subdivision of 2, 500 square foot two story. No it should work. I think if and also with your design aren't you going to want to play off of some of the historical local components and local design elements, covered car parts and simple parches? You have got four existing buildings right there. Yes they have lead paint. Yes they have to be upgraded with utilities but they exist. You know and all those remediation considerations don't really add that much to the cost of those houses in particularly to a project with 50 houses and that' s less than 10% . Its minuscule consideration when you think about the project and you can really set the tone here and really do something special. Something unique and personally I think that, that' s a real consideration. Ms. Santos : I have a couple of things and I am sure everything I am going to say is totally unprofessional and just mean but whatever. I had a hard day. Anyway so it' s really hard, first of all, to watch this whole thing and here you guys talk about and the pros, I think, is so is too fluffy. It' s too fluffy. It' s like the history of the camp . I mean this is like I think it' s like next is going to become Kaumakani camp, or Pakalas, or McBryde and it' s just so sad and to see you know they always say affordable housing or whatever but it' s not really affordable . We all know that, that' s you know but anyway it would be nice to come here with some kind of you know and say like how they took down the mill in Lzhu`e. They took down the mill . They did a really nice book. It detailed the history. Had pictures, had stories, had the whole thing about what that camp was all about or what that camp was all about. So I can understand yea you know great piece of property. You guys want about 50 homes. You guys have seven or eight left. Blah, May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 10 blah, whatevers right but at least come with ok we are taking away a part of history but here is something in return. Here is a book. Here is blah, blah whatvers . That' s number one. My second thing is the camp, even though there is seven homes and you guys kind of made the comment well it' s not really cause there is only seven homes left it' s not really that camp feel. It used to be that camp feel and so to replace it with a camp feel again would be kind of nice. The same kind of looking home or the same kind of and so there is not really the talk about you know what it is going to be like. First it was oh we are going to do the whole China thing and bring you know those are super cheap and it comes with the whole kitchen and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it ' s kind of and now it like we are talking to contractors and you know it' s like well what is your design pupose? Are you going for keeping the seven or whatever homes and kind of go with that same look and that same feel and that same theory of the camp? I mean even the whole area is so campish or so you know what' s the word? It' s the whole feel of Koloa Town behind Big Save is all you know what I am saying. So that' s my whole rant for today. Thank you all for listening. I am sure I came off a little crazy. I tried to keep it low but I still think it' s a little to fluffy. The whole thing is fluffy. The whole way they went about it just doesn't rub much people the right way. You know what I mean? So I think there should be a little bit more of giving of what the future holds for that spot then just the whole question. Chair: Thank you. Ms . Sheehan: My few questions are, I agree with Steve if there is some way you should incorporate, you should try harder to incorporate those four units . The four units in reading this and I might not be reading it right it says single wall. Are they all single wall construction? Are what' s left all single wall construction? Ms. Moy : I think so accept for the ones that they pieced together. Ms . Sheehan: So if you have to move them do you have to come to code and make double wall and do all that? Because I mean you are saying you might think about moving them but the practical reality is we moved a couple of houses after the hurricane in Hanalei and as soon as we got them moved they said the door is too short and the walls are single wall and the bedrooms are only nine by eleven instead of ten by 12. It is an historic if there are four if they are eligible put them on the register and somehow make them eligible and see if you can avoid those kinds of things because as soon as you come to code you are taking away the integrity again. And I do think it' s a give back. That' s what you can give back and you know maybe you take the windows off of one of the other that don' t have the integrity and use them again. Mike Faye can actually redo any windor, any door, any double hung. He is really good at that but I think that is something that you could give back and I know that you know I don't know whether actually these buildings being historic would get you away from having to come whole from the degree it changes so much which is what happened to us in Hanalei. We changed it so much it didn't look like the same building and I agree this looks like a lot of housing and even if May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 11 one of those four ends up being, I don't know if there is two bedroom or three bedrooms, but one could just be a little museum. A little something maybe use it for some other use in the residential area. I think it would be very exciting for you to think outside the box even if you are saying this is low to mid income they shouldn't have any less then you would do for anyone else. The economic value of what this is, is that you want it to last a long time and that it should have integrity to last a long time. I don't understand whether the lot, does it slop or is it flat? Is it lower one end then the other? Mr. Hinazumi: Yes towards the Japanese school side. Ms. Sheehan : Those buildings would have to be up higher. The flood comes from the back to the front. Mr. Hinazumi : It comes from, if you are looking at the map it goes from right to left. Ms. Sheehan: Yes so I was thinking that maybe you put the four in the back but I think put it in. the front its higher ground and I think it is really hard to just do that walk around because there is so much on the inside that might be significant that you could recycle to some degree. I don't know how I was with a company in Honolulu that recycles buildings but there are a lot of other houses that may need parts I don' t know. Kokee may need parts but I agree but there should be some way to come commemorate what this was. You know if there is some other way . If its pictures or oral histories or something that maybe you only use one of these buildings to work and it' s just an adaptive reuse of that which is the best one. The smallest one maybe, they all look like they may have one bedroom and I am sure that is not true. Chair: Thank you. Ms . Griffin: Thank you. First of all when went down and I actually went down with Ross some months ago its one of those places that there was a sense of neighborhood but I do agree that there was an integrity as a plantation camp anymore and 1 think that our sentiment cause houses we are not objecting about our own house and they hold something that is very tangible so there are remnants of the plantation camps but what was left was a neighborhood. I was privileged a year ago or so to sit with you and get a little more a sense of the larger project and one of the things that you were mentioning at the time was potentially by the Japanese school behind it doing something commemorative and I guess all of us are feeling and all of us is much larger than the six of that sit on this commission but a community that a sense of loss is for transitioning so far away from that plantation life that brought such a huge percentage of our people here over the years with Lihu'e Mill is down, Kekaha is going down and it' s my understanding that Koloa will follow. So there is a sense of how do we bring parts of the past into the future and I believe you and I talked about the possibility of saving a house or two . It looked to me that we talked about a May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 12 couple of others but the first two in our report 2707 is the second, 2713 is the first I think you called one of them cute. Ms . Moy: What number was it again? Ms . Griffin: 2707 and 2713 . The first two that do still have some integrity, the siding wasn ' t changed. There may be jalousies but two of us who live in old houses do have don' t have jalousies now. They were changed over time. And that is a changeable kind of thing. So I think what we are asking and it' s really hard when we see things piece by piece and so we are responding to a small part it' s really not up to us to tell you what should go there next but what the history is and how to bring that in. I am wondering if, Dave, if you can talk a little bit more about what plans Grove Farm might have to do some commemorative kind of work that would be retained on that site and contribute to the neighborhood. Mr. flinazumi : You know in that discussion we did take good note of your suggestion of having some type of, at a minimum some type of plaque or something or a house to provide the suggestion some type of museum is an excellent one. You know and I apologize coming in kind of piece meal but we really needed to get your input and we wanted to do it as early as we could. We are still a moving process but this kind of input is what we can take back and do our best to incorporate all of this in there to have. And I know it' s the lower area but the Japanese school building we were talking with someone about possibly relocating that for a school maybe like a large office but that building is kind of large and very difficult to move. We can look at what to do with the Japanese school building leaving it there. There is that house next to the Japanese school building which I can't say what kind of condition it is in but that was and we don't have plans for it right now but Mike Faye did kind of look at that and was like oh boy it' s kind of beyond to relocate it but thinking out loud that area, the Japanese school building, we will still look at the homes with reusing the homes as a site but at least at a minimum the Japanese school buildings is something we can definitely start with. Ms . Griffin: I though you all were talking about some kind of a park area behind, you were talking but something there. I think that sense you know Richard (inaudible) has recently retired from the National Trust talked abort with smart growth and so forth the (inaudible) and you do have that vernacular look. The hip roof, the corrugated, the vertical single wall and the window treatment that do speak in a certain way to what was there and still a lot people would relate too. We have relatively few left on Kauai and Ewa doesn't count. Kaumakani is and some from Niumila are even moved out. So just that sense and especially such a fast transitioning area as Koloa is that, that what Stephen suggested there is a sense part of it it' s almost a PR move . You know a sense of showing respect for that tradition and I am not criticizing you about bringing things in piece meal. We are all very grateful to receive this but it' s also why we spend a lot of our time waving our arms around and trying to get that to a bigger picture is how to respond and give something that would be viable for Grove Farm and still hold on to some of that you know history that a lot of people in K61oa still have reason. May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 13 Mr. Long: I just want to make a comment that I appreciate you corning before us and making an effort to study the buildings and to really take a serious look at them and also particularly your consideration to use wood as a building material . Not only because it is sort of a reflection of the past architectural building methodology but also because of on a marketing basis it might be a little bit more expensive but healthier for you to live in. So that might be a balance for you and then picking up what Patsy said about, I know as a developer it is difficult to save one building it' s actually easier to save four but as one building that' s two percent of the project. So I don't know how you get to weigh those economics. I have a question does the spine run down the center is it single stacked homes? Are there any flag lots planned? Mr. Hinazumi : There is going to be sections, primarily single stacked but there are going to be a portion of it that will be double stacked. Mr. Long : Right like back up in that left. Mr. Hinazumi: If you come in from the park and the corner lot there. Mr. Long: Where would the double stack be? Mr. Hinazumi : Ok so the entrance is going to come in from here and the interior road, it doesn't follow these dirt roads, so it' s going to pretty much run right down the middle and as you enter it will single stacked on this side but as you make the turn down here initially it will be double stacked maybe till about this area and that it will be single stacked coming all the way till here. Mr. Long: Oh so it' s double stacked around five and six? Mr. Hinazumi : Yes. Mr. Long: There is a, it' s not an entry, but there is a little pocket right there. I mean double stacked flag lots go back to a nice little neighborhood. You have got a fence back there. Maybe they cost a little bit less. You know it doesn't interfere with your look. You know you want to come in and everything looks nice and orderly. Ms. Sheehan: I just have one other question. The steam is Grove Farm' s? Mr. Hinazumi : It' s the County' s. Ms . Sheehan: It' s the County' s. Does anybody keep that clean? I mean it looks like it meanders and then goes into the road but is that always going to be a problem for you? Mr. Hinazumi: Potentially. So we know its County owned and they cannot speak on how they are going to handle maintenance but it is a problem back in ' 06 when we had the 40 days of rain it was big problem. A lot of hau bush from the upper parts of the stream backed up over here and we needed to retain contractors, Waalani Construction, to come out and clean that whole area so it is a problem. It can become a large problem. I guess we will see what can be done about maintenance. May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 14 Ms. Sheehan: maybe a little bit of open space. Ms . Griffin: And you definitely not going to break through to the bypass?' The road? Mr Hinazumi : We weren't planning to and the reason for that is you see Wailani Road right here it intersects with the bypass road right here and either trying to punch out Wailani Road or this one at least per County standards it was too close of an intersection to try to have another one punch out right there. We did look at that. Mr. Long: I know you are here talking to us about the demolition of the buildings. We haven't really talked about the other aspects of the project. Will you be coming in front of us again or is it the demos of the buildings is our last look at this? Mr. Jung; This, you are actually in the preconsult stage right now so there is no application for a demo permit yet. Mr. Long: Ok just a comment. When Randy was on the commission he had really wonderful suggestions on a project where you plant a dozen yellow Ohia trees as part of the development of the parking lot. So there must be some landscape plan consideration you know when you are doing your development and it would be really nice if you took into consideration for marketing purposes and for all of those (inaudible) is landscaping and also zeroscape. I don't know if they are compatible but less water. There is gotta be plants down there in Koloa that they have been planting for 75 years that work really well and so that carries on that sort of camp style even if the homes aren't. This might give them the neighborhood feeling it think. That would be positive marketing tool for you. Chair: Anybody else? Ms. Sheehan: I just want to say thank you for coming. I am sure you have to wrap your hands around it a little more and hope you are able to. Thank you. Chair: So thank you for coming and I think that what you should leave here today is that none of us want to see demos . That would be one big thought. We talked about possibly four houses being able to save. I like his idea of I am almost thinking it' s single stacked here but it' s almost like put it by the entry way then you have this camp feeling that and after that it transitions into whatever you are putting up there. So please give that some thought. Now part of this is you guys are the landowners but you guys never did fix up these houses and I know you are talking expense but I want to tell you about what happen with Kapa` a and I am so proud of my area. Two people I want to talk about Linda Moriarty single person and she is a widow. She has two homes. One built in 1928 , three bedroom, she has a small little cottage and last night I went there to look for sure it' s built in the 1900s. It' s a one bedroom cottage and she has kept that up single handedly with her own bucks. Painting doing whatever had to be done. May 2, 2013 K.H.P.R.C. Meeting Minutes Page 15 And if you guys want to go look at it I would so happy to take you and to ask her to accept you folks to come and look at it. She has done that by herself. The other outstanding family is the Setos and if you don' t know the Seto building it' s right on the main road there. That family single handedly by themselves had kept that building for the community . It used to be an old butcher shop and they have little shops in that. So they have found ways to keep that our old buildings just as individuals. Grove Farm can do it too. Anybody else? (None). People don't live in there now yea? Everybody is gone from there. Alright so take our suggestions and the fact that other people can do it and when you are the budget you know with the bean counters, tell them about Linda Moriarty and the Seto family and they can, the bean counters, can make it happen. Anyone else? Thank you so much for letting us do that and thank you for this nice presentation. SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS The next meeting date was scheduled on June 6, 2013 , ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 4 :02 p.m. ectfully Submitted, Vanlee U . Jimenez Secretary Date: 4UN . D 1 2013