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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPolice Dept-Subsidized Vehicles, DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET CALL-BACKS FY 2014-15 4/21/2014 DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET CALL-BACKS FY 2014-15 POLICE DEPT - SUBSIDIZED VEHICLES April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 1 There being no objections, the Committee was called back to order at 11:21 a.m. and proceeded as follows: Kauai Police Department—Subsidized Vehicles Honorable Mason K. Chock, Sr. Honorable Gary L. Hooser Honorable Mel Rapozo Honorable JoAnn A. Yukimura Honorable Jay Furfaro, Council Chair Excused: Honorable Tim Bynum Honorable Ross Kagawa Chair Furfaro: We are back from our brief recess. Chief, good to see you this morning and Deputy Chief. The call-backs are intended for specific areas and in your case, we want to talk really about the automobile situation is the primary reason for the call-back. I am going to turn over this segment of the meeting to Mr. Rapozo. He is the aficionado of Police vehicles. Mr. Rapozo: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I see you have a PowerPoint. There being no objections, the rules were suspended. DARRYL D. PERRY, Chief of Police: We have a presentation. Mr. Rapozo: You may begin. Chief Perry: Before we begin, I was remiss in our first meeting that I did not mention other financial people that were in the Department before Evelyn Branco and Patricia Layosa who used to help us with our budget programs. In terms of Police collisions and arrests and fatalities and this is something that is related to the concerns that we have. About 40% of the Officers who the in the line of duty, as a result of Police vehicle collisions or something related to traffic. Now it does not all have to do with the vehicles themselves, but it is a large number of Officers who are severely injured or killed in the line of duty with regard to Police vehicles. These circumstances vary, but the situation that we have here, we feel that we have to provide, as you do, the best tools for our Officers to keep them safe, not only them, but the public safe. So the presentation we put together will be presented by Deputy Chief Contrades. MICHAEL M. CONTRADES, Deputy Chief of Police: Good morning Chair Furfaro, Vice Chair Chock and members of the Council. For the record, Michael Contrades, Deputy Chief of Police. I have a very short presentation, mainly to do with the subsidized vehicles and the current state of our fleet. Right now KPD...this is a chart of KPD's fleet that are six years or older. With a breakdown of where those vehicles are located, either in Patrol, or in the ISB-Investigative Services Bureau or the Administrative and Technical Bureau. As of today, we have one 2000 vehicle, nine 2001 vehicles, six 2002, one 2003, eighteen 2005, eight 2006, twenty three 2007, and fourteen 2008. By mileage, many of our vehicles are 100,000 plus miles. The majority of them are in the Patrol Services Bureau because of the amount of travel and patrolling that they do, but in total, vehicles with 100,000 plus miles we have 23, 90,000 plus, six, 80,000 plus, 12, and 70,000 plus, 15. Our April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 2 five-year replacement plan in order to follow this replacement plan and I wanted to thank Chair Furfaro. I recall last year he brought up in terms of the Department having a policy in terms of vehicle replacement and that policy is working its way through the unions at this point. It is based upon the Maui Police Department's policy and I believe Maui was the only one who had something in writing, if I am not mistaken. In order to follow that policy, we would need to replace 29 vehicles this year, because we have vehicles that are between the 100,000 and 90,000 miles and estimate 12,000 to 14,000 miles placed on a vehicle each year. So this year we would need 29 vehicles. Next year, 27. The following year, 18. The year after that, 18. The year after that 11 in order to stay within that policy. Our recommendation and I know we discussed this at the last Council meeting, but we would like at some point to subsidize all of our Sergeants and above and that would require 30 more subsidized vehicles. We are not of course asking for that this year, but at some point over the years in order to do all of the Sergeants and above, we would need 30 more subsidized...authorized/subsidized. Of course the question is why not subsidize Officers and these are the concerns that we have...I know other islands have faced this in terms of community concerns with visibility. We have a concern, our emergency vehicle operations of course instructors have brought up this concern to us in terms of pursuit rating. A lot of...all of our fleet vehicles are pursuit-rated. They have certain extra features that make the vehicles safe and less potential for turnover. The other concern is transport of prisoners. The subsidized vehicles are not allowed to transport prisoners because there is no cage for safety and one of the reasons we would not want to subsidize Officers is someone has to do the transporting of prisoners. Working with the Finance Department we did a side-by-side comparison of fleet vehicles that are leased or County-owned versus subsidized. Based on all the various factors we estimate there is a cost savings to the County, if you look at eight, the number of vehicles being eight of them, $77,000 cost- savings. STEVEN A. HUNT, Director of Finance: Some of the assumptions that went into this analysis, although we do not have an incremental car cost of insurance, we did put that in on the lease side at $598...but that was based on our current policy, our insurance policy that covers all of the fleet vehicles and an allocated portion including some of the claims payouts for damages that we have had. We factored that into the analysis, so making sure when we compare the insurance to take out for the subsidized vehicle that we were allocating some portion of our current insurance against each of the existing vehicles. This is not to say it is an incremental cost, but a cost we can allocate per vehicle over our existing fleet. So even without that it is very close to showing that the subsidized vehicle even without the insurance differential would produce a positive number. Again the intent is to do this for non-pursuit / non-patrol vehicles because that would have an effect on operations. We are keeping this not just for the economics but the operations came into play. Another big pro, when you bring in a subsidized vehicle as compared to a lease vehicle, the subsidized vehicles can be brought in almost immediately. The procurement for a leased vehicle can be anywhere from 24-36 months before the RFP is issued before the vehicle makes its way into service and not disrupting the chain of having a certain number of vehicles being replaced annually. One of the challenges of trying to bring in 29 or 27 vehicles all-in-one year is you are creating a potential spike in a future year when those same vehicles leave. Although we have disrupted it by having a couple years where we did not procure vehicles, trying to make up for it in one year is just setting ourselves up for having that spike. So we are trying to look at a combination of both subsidize with an immediate infusion as well as a potential lease fleet vehicles for the Patrol that is 18-24 months down the line, even though it is in the budget we could have some effect immediately. April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 3 Mr. Contrades: The next slide has to do with the ten-year growth plan. This last slide of the subsidized vehicles. Mr. Rapozo: Thank you. Any questions? Councilmember Yukimura? Ms. Yukimura: On your last slide a facilitator would do what? Mr. Rapozo: That was not for the subsidized vehicles, right? Mr. Contrades: No. Ms. Yukimura: That is separate? Mr. Contrades: Yes. Ms. Yukimura: Okay. I was trying to figure out the connection. Maybe you can go to others. Mr. Rapozo: Chief, I had one question on your estimate of 12,000-14,000 miles driven each year on average. That is based on the take-home car program? Mr. Contrades: That came from our fleet coordinator for our regular fleet vehicle. Mr. Rapozo: Right. Mr. Contrades: That is an estimate. It varies. Mr. Rapozo: If the take-home car program disappeared and we went back to the straight fleet, those cars would be running much more than...? Mr. Contrades: They definitely would not last the amount of years. Mr. Rapozo: That is important to note that that is based on the Officers taking the car home and they are running for one shift and going back to the true fleet where it used to be, those cars are doing at least twice that and sometimes even three times that because the car does not come off the line and goes from one shift to the next shift, to the next shift. So I think the take-home car program was a brilliant move in more ways than one and the Officers tend to take care of the car better if it is their car. Mr. Contrades: Absolutely. Mr. Rapozo: Chief? Chief Perry: I did not identify myself the first time. Chief Perry, Kaua`i Police Department. I wanted to add to that. Now the mileage is an indicator, but it is not the only indicator, because our Officers are at scenes where they have to keep the engines running for an amount of time. April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 4 Mr. Rapozo: Thank you, Chief. Any other questions? Mr. Chair? Chair Furfaro: So I am going to direct this to Finance. If I am looking at a number that we are targeting Sergeants and above and so forth, how many vehicles of the 100,000 class would that allow us to retire and how many years would it take us if we are doing eight vehicles, around...what kind of attrition of the old vehicles do we have? Mr. Hunt: I think the first question can be answered because we already have newer vehicles that are pursuit-rated Patrol, that are being issued to Sergeants and above, if we went to a subsidized program whether it is currently in the program showing eight leased vehicles that are Patrol. If those eight were moved into subsidized, that would have an immediate impact because we could take eight of the much newer vehicles, probably the SUVs and move them into Patrol. So that would have a positive effect on Patrol. Not necessarily that impact on the ISB side. Beyond the eight that are leased, I think there are 10-12 vehicles that could be moved into Patrol from doing that. Beyond that, it would have to be some sort of a combination of both subsidized and leased because at some point again, I think the arguments were made that they do not necessarily want to subsidize the Patrol because of issues with transport of prisoners and other things. So it would have an impact on operations to do it that way. Chair Furfaro: So if I read the math right though, based on the number that we have in the budget right now, and the savings projected at $77,000, we could actually do nine vehicles without changing the budget. Mr. Hunt: Close to it, yes. Chair Furfaro: Close to it? Mr. Hunt: Yes. Chair Furfaro: Let me ask the Deputy Chief how he feels about this financial pro forma? Mr. Contrades: Right now in Patrol, I am told there are 8-10 Sergeants and above that would be willing to participate in the subsidized vehicle program. There are a few Lieutenants who are near retirement in a year or two and it is not worth it for them to take out the loan and deal with the loan. So we have about 8-10 who said that they would be willing to go to subsidized. Of course, those vehicles that they drive would be pushed down to the Officers, and they are newer vehicles and they are very nice vehicles. So that would help us on the Patrol aspect. However, on the Investigative Services Bureau side, we would need some subsidized vehicles for them as well. They do have a number of vehicles that are well over the allotted time period, as well as the mileage. So we are hoping to get some kind of balance between the two to satisfy both needs. Chair Furfaro: So let us say you have nine Sergeants that are willing to participate, because their time and grade and the years of service yet to be realized. On the Investigative Services Bureau side, what would be the number needed? Four additional? What could we swing? April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 5 Mr. Contrades: I would say...I would have to take a look at our numbers, but I would say at least five would be helpful. Chair Furfaro: At least five? Mr. Contrades: Yes. Yes, I would say on the ISB side to satisfy the 100,000-90,000, five. Yes. Chair Furfaro: Fair enough. Thank you, Mr. Rapozo. Mr. Rapozo: Any other questions? Mr. Hooser? Mr. Hooser: Good morning. Mr. Contrades: Good morning, sir. Mr. Hooser: Just so I can understand this and anyone who is watching, so basically we have County-owned blue and whites on one side, versus the County paying individual Officers $562 a month for them to purchase their own vehicle to use in an official capacity also? So those are the two options. So does every Officer have a blue and white car now? Mr. Contrades: Not every Officer. Mr. Hooser: Okay. So I am just wondering in terms of driving back and forth to the Police Department or is it only people that are out and about, Patrol Officers or people doing investigations? How many...what percentage of the Officers have cars assigned? Mr. Contrades: In Patrol itself we have 90% are take-home, 10% are fleet. And"fleet" meaning no one is allowed to take it home and it sits at the station and the rest of the staff are assigned vehicles, Investigative Services Bureau consists of Detectives and Vice Narcotics with unmarked vehicles that are equipped with lights and sirens and everything else. So they are not necessarily marked, but they are Police County- owned...either lease or owned vehicles. Mr. Hooser: So every Officer does not have a car whether it is marked or unmarked? Mr. Contrades: Not every Officer. Mr. Hooser: Okay. Because 10% of the fleet serves those other Officers. Okay. The subsidized vehicles, would be, I would imagine, similar to on Oahu, where it looks like privately-owned cars with a rack on top? Mr. Contrades: Yes, sir. Mr. Hooser: Okay. And looking at the fuel costs, on the County-owned it showed $180,000 and subsidy $138,000. Now the same Officer driving the...the same Officer, how come the difference? April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 6 Mr. Contrades: Well, for what we did, we took the current subsidized vehicle fuel usage and that averages out to about 45 gallons a month. So the Officers with the subsidized vehicles, that is roughly the average that they are using. Mr. Hooser: They are not both...the same Officers, not changing his driving habits? They are driving the same amount of miles regardless of which car they have got? Mr. Hunt: Correct. But they are compensated on fuel for the official time. There is a Collective Bargaining Agreement based ten miles per gallon that is being allowed for official capacity. Mr. Hooser: So if they are driving a blue and white, they are compensated for all their fuel, but if they are driving a subsidized they are only? Mr. Hunt: Part of their subsidy is for that. The balance when they are using it in official capacity is when they are actually being I guess discounted for that amount. Mr. Hooser: It seems like you were driving a blue and white it would all be official capacity. You would not be driving it to Safeway to go shopping or taking the kids to soccer practice, right? Would it not all be official? Mr. Hunt: When you are talking about a non-subsidized? Yes. Mr. Hooser: Yes. Mr. Hunt: When you are on subsidized you could use that car for your family potentially and you could use it for non-work purposes. This is your vehicle. You are just allowing it to be used in the fleet. Mr. Hooser: I get that part. I appreciate your patience, driving a blue and white and only using it for official duties costs $180,000 for fuel. Driving a subsidized vehicle in the same only official, you pay $138,000, so theoretically you are driving less official miles. Mr. Hunt: On the subsidized? • Mr. Hooser: Yes. Mr. Hunt: Right. A portion of that is considered personal use. Mr. Hooser: Okay. Mr. Hunt: It is part of the Collective Bargaining that establishes that rate 10 miles to the gallon. Mr. Hooser: You mentioned and I appreciate the drawbacks and one would be visibility and I would imagine that would be a fairly big one, when you see blue and whites you slow down and when you see a subsidized vehicle you may not April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 7 realize it and you may not slow down. I slow down all the time. So you have visibilities and transport of prisoners. That would require another car to come and the Officer would have to wait for another car to come to transport...what was the third? Pursuit-rating. Mr. Contrades: Pursuit-rating. Mr. Hooser: The subsidized vehicle would have to have a certain criteria probably? Mr. Contrades: Yes, we have a set policy. We only allow certain types of vehicles certain models. Certain colors. The vehicles...our current policy we do not allow subsidized vehicles to pursue. They are not pursuit-rated and that was a concern that our emergency vehicle operations course instructors had brought forward to us. The other two islands do not have that concern, but ours brought it to us and we feel it is a legitimate issue. That is why our intent is to do Sergeants and above. Generally Sergeants and above are not involved in pursuits. It is generally the Officers. Right now, we have in our Investigative Services Bureau and our Administrative staff, they do not drive fleet vehicles that have cages and are marked and what not. They do have lights and sirens, but they are more covert. So our plan is to replace those types of vehicles with subsidized. So we will not have the issues of prisoner transport and we will not have the issues of pursuit-rating and then visibility. So the visibility will not go down. You will still have those vehicles out on the roads that are, marked. We intend to replace the current unmarked vehicles with subsidized and the only change if we utilize the subsidized program to push down the vehicles to Officers. The Sergeants would still be required to have the light bar and would be easily seen especially at night and we have a requirement that they have the blue light on. So visibility would not change if we followed that particular path. Mr. Hooser: Another follow-up. How many existing...I live in Wailua Homesteads and come to Lihu`e and there are those cars with lights in the grill and what not and how many of those cars do we have now? Mr. Contrades: If you are talking about traffic enforcement, generally our traffic enforcement personnel, I think they have about seven of those, if I am not mistaken. They are also, like for myself, I have a Camry with element lights and sirens and I do the occasionally traffic stop with someone doing 50-60 on the 40 mph Wailua stretch. Specifically for traffic enforcement, I think there are seven. Mr. Hooser: Is there a policy in terms...official policy in writing why you would have...it seems like marked cars would be a greater deterrent at the end of the day. I could see for Vice and Investigations and that kind of thing, but for Patrol, as a layman, blue and white is much more effective than these other cars. Mr. Contrades: With the exception of the Assistant Chief, I believe all of Patrol are marked, except for the traffic safety. Mr. Hooser: Okay. Mr. Contrades: The reason that the traffic safety they are not marked is their job is to go out and strictly enforce the different speeds and what not. So their cars are easy to see. You can tell they are Police cars, but they are not clearly marked like regular Patrol. April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 8 Mr. Hooser: They do not make you jump, as much as a regular marked car does in terms of hit the brake if you are going too fast or something. Chief Perry: I would just like to add one more thing on the enforcement. Often times we receive complaints about certain areas that there is a lot of speeders. So generally we will go out there and do preventative patrol, meaning that we will show up and people will slow down and we will go back and make sure that the speeds remain the same. Often time it does not because as soon as they do not see a Police Officer, the speeds increase and it gets dangerous again and we receive complaints again. That is in response to our citizens and their needs at certain locations in our communities. Mr. Hooser: It just seems like certain areas that we all drive by and we know that a Police Officer may live there and a blue and white is parked there, it is just natural that everyone slows down through those areas and I think deterrence through the high visibility is an important thing to hold onto. Thank you. Mr. Rapozo: All the speeders know the unmarked, too. They all jump. Any other questions? Councilmember Yukimura? Ms. Yukimura: On that same chart that we were looking at, maybe we can get it up there, your fuel costs, you use the 16 miles per gallon for County- owned, but 10 miles per gallon for the subsidized. How do we get...I mean what does it take? The Officers turn in mileage accounting every month? Mr. Contrades: Yes, they do. Ms. Yukimura: So there is actually some administrative costs to figure that out and then to determine the payment, right? Mr. Contrades: They are not given payment. They are allowed to draw gas. For every ten miles that they drive on-duty, according to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, they get one gallon of gas. Ms. Yukimura: Okay. You said they are controlled in terms of what kind of car they can get? Mr. Contrades: Yes. Ms. Yukimura: If they get a fuel-efficient car that would be to their advantage? Mr. Contrades: Yes. Ms. Yukimura: So they are able to fill up from County gas? Mr. Contrades: Yes. Ms. Yukimura: What has been the experience in other Counties? That it pretty much evens out? Or people use more gas with the Police car than with the subsidized car? Is that why there is $180,000 for gas costs of the Police car use and $138,000 for subsidized? April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 9 Chief Perry: I am answering from my experiences with the Honolulu Police Department. Generally the Officers do not use the ten-gallon ratio and if they are entitled to say for example they drove 100 miles and they are entitled to 10 gallons of gas, generally they use 7 gallons and do not go back and say I have got three gallons coming to me. No, they normally give back to the County. Because the cars are so efficient today, but it is in the language and that is what we have to go by the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Perhaps that is negotiable in the future, but currently those are the numbers that we use and we figure out those costs based on Collective Bargaining Agreements. Ms. Yukimura: If you saying in the case in general, the Counties that do have experience, we do already subsidize some vehicles, you could show that they do not actually draw 10 miles to a gallon? Chief Perry: Yes, you could figure that out based on the number of miles that they drive on the mileage slip that is submitted every month. You could actually figure out what the average is. Mr. Rapozo: Councilmember, just to clarify, they are going to get 10 miles a gallon, period. It is the amount of gallons that they draw will be less, but the 10 miles per gallon is not based on efficiency. Obviously the more efficient car...when HPD in the old days with the Camaros and now if you look and they are driving Toyotas because they find it much more beneficial to the Officer to have a full efficient vehicle. The 10 miles a gallon, if they get a 30-mile a gallon vehicle they will obviously get less fuel. Ms. Yukimura: Well, it will cause higher costs for their own household driving expenses, right? If they get a more fuel-using car? Mr. Rapozo: Correct. Ms. Yukimura: So there will be an incentive. Mr. Rapozo: Much better for the carbon footprint of the island, because they will get the cheaper-running cars. Ms. Yukimura: Right. That is all very good. Okay. I think the Chair was asking about it...the plan is to have five...what was the number? Chair Furfaro: The plan is for the same amount of money that we have in the budget right now, we could probably get nine vehicles. They are asking to replace eight. But then I asked the question that dealt with the Investigative Services Bureau if we wanted to get them on-board, what would be the minimum to direct their way and that would be an additional of five cars I believe the Deputy Chief said. Ms. Yukimura: I see. Mr. Rapozo: I think the net impact to the Police Department, let us say eight or even nine cars, when you look at the chart, the net impact is actually with eight vehicles it is 16. Because you are taking out eight of those old cars and you are replacing them, right? You are going to bring down the current vehicles that the Sergeants and above are using? So that is going to go back into the cycle, which will extend the life of that vehicle. The short-term impact to KPD would be actually double the vehicles, because April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 10 you are going to get rid of eight of those cars that should not be on the road in law enforcement and actually replace them with newer vehicles. So it is actually a good opportunity to start working on the replacement plan. Long-term, you are still only getting eight new cars, but when you look at what is happening with the replacement, now eight Officers or nine Officers are going to get a newer car that is going to last a few more years. Ms. Yukimura: These we are talking about County-owned cars that would go to Patrol? Mr. Rapozo: Eight or nine would be subsidized and what they are driving currently are County-owned would go to Patrol. Much newer than the 100,000 plus miles cars. Ms. Yukimura: Thank you. Chair Furfaro: Steve on that formula, as the 90,000-100,000 mile cars are replaced, in our lease contract, is there a residual for salvage credit? Mr. Hunt: There is on this analysis. We have used the number of$400, but based on experience, sometimes they have even been less than that by the time you expend the moneys to strip the vehicles. We often spend almost as much or more stripping the vehicle than we can get selling the vehicle. Chair Furfaro: So the recovery cost on the salvage credit is probably only offsetting the cost that we have to put in to de-identify the vehicle? Mr. Hunt: Yes. Chair Furfaro: Okay. Mr. Hunt: There had been some discussion amongst ourselves earlier whether we just wanted to have them scrap period and not spend the money to salvage, to take off the equipment because of the costs. Chair Furfaro: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rapozo. Mr. Rapozo: Mr. Chock. Mr. Chock: Thank you for the presentation. I just had a question on the employee-owned car insurance portion. So is there an amount that is above that $908 that the employee pays for additional insurance or is that covered by the County in whole? Mr. Hunt: This is liability insurance. Any comprehensive policies that they want to take out above that would be incumbent on the employee to do that. It is expected as the program matures and more cars are added that the cost of$908 per vehicle would actually start to decline and similar trends have already been experienced by Honolulu and the Big Island. Mr. Chock: The employee does not pay any of the $908, that is all County? April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 11 Mr. Hunt: Correct. Chair Furfaro: Excuse me, that is the County's liability portion. Mr. Hunt: $908. Chair Furfaro: That is liability only, not collision or the vehicle. Thank you. Mr. Rapozo: Does SHOPO have an insurance policy that covers? Mr. Contrades: Yes, they do. Mr. Rapozo: That is rate that we would be paying the liability portion? Or is it lower than that? Mr. Contrades: The number that you see there is what the County pays through their insurance company. Mr. Hunt: We had it priced out through a brokerage for the 15 that we currently put in Fiscal 2014. We were actually a little bit surprised by the costs, but after speaking to the other Counties, it was a very similar in fact it was over $1,000 for the Big Island their first year. They have gotten as low as $400 something. So it can tend to trend down and also depends on the abstracts of the drivers that you put in. Drivers that had significant accidents prior to that, then that is weighted in part of that insurance decision. Mr. Rapozo: Then you would not give them a subsidized vehicle. You would give them a blue and white. That would be a good incentive for people to drive right for the Officers. Councilmember Yukimura. Ms. Yukimura: So this car will be driven by other members of the family for other family needs? Mr. Contrades: That is restricted as well. Mr. Hunt: It is something that we had discussed and had some concerns over, especially young family drivers, first-drivers taking those vehicles but there are controls in place and the drivers would have to be approved...they have a process within their policy that...I am not sure who was making the decision, but someone on the brass is making the decision as to who in the family can be an eligible driver. Ms. Yukimura: It works okay in other Counties? I mean there are not violations? Mr. Contrades: We have not heard of any experiences with that. Generally, that car...you use it for personal tasks, too, but generally that is your work car and generally Officers do not allow other people to drive it. Ms. Yukimura: In terms of County liability we are covered if there is a violation? April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 12 Mr. Contrades: After we approve the paperwork is sent over to Finance for final approval. Ms. Yukimura: Okay. Mr. Contrades: It is mostly limited to spouse. Ms. Yukimura: Okay. It will have an impact on parking around your headquarters? Mr. Contrades: I think it would help with parking as well. Ms. Yukimura: Right. Because if people take the car that they come in and use it for work, they would not be parked all day or during the shift, all-shift. So that is a plus given that parking has been an issue over there. At some point that bike path is going to turn into a bike path and you are not going to be able to park in there either. Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Rapozo: Any other questions? Mr. Chair? Chair Furfaro: Chief, how would you say in general, the members of the force would accept this change or this option? Chief Perry: Very positively. Actually when I first got here, that was what was proposed, the implementation of a subsidized vehicle program. So it has been supported overall by the Officers of KPD. Chair Furfaro: I would also like to thank Commissioners Francisco and Kanekoa for being here...in the back, thank you. Mr. Rapozo: Any more questions? Chair Furfaro: And Commissioner Iona there, too. It looked like he had a Police badge on...Chairman Iona, thank you for being here. Mr. Rapozo: Thank you. Appreciate the presentation. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify? I see a lot of people. If not, thank you very much. Mr. Chair. We have come right up on time to the lunch break. Chair Furfaro: Yes. I want to thank the Police Department and the Finance Director, who I wished happy birthday to this morning when I met with him and the Mayor on the TAT. So Steve, happy birthday. Mr. Hunt: Thank you, Chair. Chair Furfaro: We do want to celebrate by completing this budget on-time and your help has been most...you have been most diligent to getting us to this point. Happy birthday. I also want to say before we break for lunch here, Mr. Rapozo will be going to Honolulu for us soon. There is the hearing this afternoon on the Transient Accommodation Tax. On Thursday, the four members of the County Chairs spoke and I issued a memorandum to you folks to get you an update. I believe they will not be taking April 21, 2014 Budget Call-Backs (Police — Subsidized Vehicles)(ss) Page 13 testimony, but we do need to be there to network where we can. So Mr. Rapozo will be excused from this afternoon's meetings. Then I also want to take a personal privilege, last week during the Auditor's review, we reported that I had to recuse myself. I do not have to recuse myself from the Auditor's budget hearing. I intended not to participate on my own, but I am not recused from that. Also, I wanted to share with all of you before I left, here is all of the correspondence that the Auditor referenced that deals with trying to find him a permanent new home. There are nine pieces of correspondence here that are directed towards the Administration, towards the Historical Society, use of the Big Save complex, space requirements for him, which have all been handled by myself in correspondence and in some cases copied to you as he had mentioned that he had spoken to the Chairman. I think this is pretty well-documented on where we are at. So I will circulate it to you again, especially those of you that are serving back on the Council or on the Council in most recent times. This dates back to 2009 through 2013. On that note, Mr. Rapozo, we wish you much success for us this afternoon. Councilwoman Yukimura, when we come back, we will be dealing with Life's Choices on their particular plan. The strategies that they have and that was requested by you as a call-back. So we have an hour set aside for them. I am sorry, Life's Choices...Life's Choices is the second item at that request and the first item will be the Humane Society. Thank you very much. I need to pay more attention to the dates, but we will be back at 1:00 p.m. We are in recess for lunch from 12:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m. There being no objections, the Committee recessed at 12:05 p.m.