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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJuly 2, 2015KAUAI COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Lihu`e Civic Center, Mo`ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A /2B MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai County Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held on July 2, 2015 in the Lihu`e Civic Center, Mo`ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B. The following Commissioners were present: Chairperson Pat Griffin, Anne Schneider, Stephen Long, David Helder, Althea Arinaga, Charlotte Hoomanawanui, and Victoria Wicbman (entered at 3:27 p.m.). The following Commissioner was absent: Kuuleialoha Santos. The following staff members were present: Planning Department — Myles Hironaka, Shanlee Jimenez; Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi- Sayegusa; Office of Boards and Commissions: Administrator Jay Furfaro (3:16 p.m. -3:30 p.m), Support Clerk Darcie Agaran. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. SWEARING IN OF NEW COMMISSION MEMBER Council Administrative Assistant Eddie Topenio gave the Oath of Office to new Commission Member Charlotte Hoomanawanui. Ms. Griffin: Honey Girl, I know it's hard to come into an entirely new group. We'd love to hear a little bit about who you are, and in turn we'll all introduce ourselves to you. Ms. Hoomanawanui: About me? Ms. Griffin: Yes, Ms. Hoomanawanui: Well, of my life history ... my name and whatever? Ms. Griffin: Your name, and how you became interested in preservation and working with us. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Charlotte Leilani "Honey Girl" Hoomanawanui. I was born and raised here in Ha` ena with my grandmother that raised one (1) of the families in the '46 tsunami. any sirens or anything. I was six (6) years not thinking, and my grandma came ... you stick or any type of stick, ..saying 44 stop it, me. I come from a family of eleven (11) and we were I lost brothers and sisters. At that time, there weren't old at that time. I was playing around with the water, know the old Hawaiians, they hit you with the bamboo stop it ", but we didn't know. The water... everything July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 2 was floating away from us; going all the way out, but there was no place to go. So Gay and Robinson ... my dad was a cowboy for Gay and Robinson, and then the truck came. Gay and Robinson sent them to pick us up, the family, but when my dad waived them down, they said no, they came to save the animals. Ms. Griffin: Oh, wow. Ms. Hoomanawanui: So hello, you know, tough time, but it was so sad, so we all walked down the road; all the families that were together. We couldn't go anywhere. The wave was coming, so we all ended up at the Mormon Church in Hd'ena. We stood over there and watched the waves come. Fortunately, I was so happy, I ended up on the steeple of the church. It was just me alone. I could hear ... it's a memory that it's hard to forget. So I stood there 'til the third wave came and I still hung on. I didn't know my sister was above me. She called me, and I said, "Where are you ?" So while I was going up to meet her, I just touched her hand and she said "put your leg around the tree, hold yourself." I just touched her hand and here comes the wave, the last wave, and then we went down like a slingshot. I mean, it wasn't funny at the time, it was so scary, but after that we went on top of the hill to the powerhouse in Wainiha and we were amazed to watch our house float out into the ocean. So right now, everybody thinks I don't know how to swim, but it's just...I still have that fear. When I see the waves come up and the white wash, I get that fear in me, so I can't...l just don't go in the water. I'll just sit on the sand and the waves come over me; that's how bad it is. And then we left here in 1950, went over to Oahu. My mom was working for the (inaudible) family. I went to school there, but I didn't like Oahu. I wanted to come home to Kauai, but it helped for a while. I didn't finish school anyway, had to stay home and help my mom because I was the only one there for her; all the years of my life. I started working at the age of 15 with my mom in the hotels. After that, I got married and had my own family. I just have one (1) son, one (1) grandson, and my daughter -in -law; small family. It was good enough at that time. It was very hard for us. I really experienced a lot in my life. I joined anything for a job; anybody who would take me. I first started working at St. Francis hospital as a custodian. After that, I couldn't take it, so I worked for the State at the school, Ma`ema`e Elementary School, up in Nu`uanu. After that, I signed up for the County. I ended up being a city bus driver. And that's the end of my work. Oh, and part-time at Dole Cannery. Ms. Griffin: So when did you come back to Kauai? Ms. Hoomanawanui: I came home, here, in ... well I lost my two (2) brothers at sea, so I had to come home and take care of my mom, so I came back in 1980; start all over again. But I learned a lot, experienced a lot. You live and you learn. Ms. Griffin: Well thank you for being willing to join this Commission. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Thank you. My pleasure. Ms. Griffin: David, do you want to introduce yourself? Mr. Helder: I'm David. (Laughter in background) July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 3 Ms. Hoomanawanui: Yeah, he plays music with me. Mr. Helder: We're going to play music tomorrow. Ms. Griffin: Oh wonderful! So we're not all strangers to you. And our attorney? Deputy County Attorney Higuchi -Sam sa: Jodi Higuchi- Sayegusa. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Nice meeting you. Ms. Griffin: And I'm Pat. Each year, the Chairmanship changes, so this is my year to sit with the gavel, but next year it'll be somebody else. Ms. Schneider: Anne Schneider. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Yes. Ms. Arinaga. Aloha kupuna. I'm Kalei Arinaga. I'm from Anahola, the Lovell family, and I'm a Vice Principal at Kapa`a Elementary School, Ms. Hoomanawanui: Nice to meet you. Ms. Arinaga: (Inaudible) Mahalo. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Thank you. Mr. Long: I'm Stephen. I'm an architect. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Oh good, nice meeting you. Ms. Griffin: And Myles? Mr. Hironaka: Hi. I'm Myles with the Planning Department. This is Shanlee Jimenez, she's our Secretary, also with the Planning Department. And with Boards and Commissions is Darcie. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Nice meeting all of you. Nice to be here with all of you anyway. Ms. Griffin: This Commission has based our decisions, not on our personal taste, but on a hundred years of laws and standards, so do not hesitate to ask any of our Staff for assistance on how things are done. We always need training. We're not going to have our other new person to swear in today? Okay. Mr. Hironaka: Oh yeah, he's not going to be here today. July 2, 2015 K1iPRC Meeting Minutes Page 4 Ms. Griffin: Okay. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Ms. Griffin: Then the next order of business is the approval of the agenda. Mr. Helder: So moved. Ms. Schneider: Second. Ms. Griffin: Thank you. All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) And opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries 6:0. APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 49 2015 MINUTES Ms. Griffin: The June 4, 2015 meeting minutes was sent to you. Mr. Helder: Second, Ms. Griffin: Was there a first? Mr. Helder: Was there a first? I thought I heard a first. (Laughter in background) Ms. Schneider: I make a motion to approve the minutes. Ms. Griffin: Alright, it's been moved by Anne Schneider and seconded by David Helder to accept the minutes as written. All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) And opposed? None, that motion carries 6:0. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS Ms. Griffin: Are there announcements or other general business matters? (None) COMMUNICATIONS Ms. Griffin: Any communications? There are a couple of pieces of information at your seats. And thanks, as always, to our Staff for being so on top of all of that for us. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 5 If you don't mind, I am going to switch Items C and D, and handle the Unfinished Business after the New Business. We have three (3) items in our New Business; two (2) of them are establishing PIGs, which are Permitted Interaction Groups. As you all know because of Sunshine Law, more than two (2) of us from the Commission can't get together privately and discuss affairs of the Commission. So the PIGS allow us to have topics and meet in small group, and then report back for decision making to the full Commission. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: Yes, that's correct. Ms. Griffin: And the... Ms. Schneider: So that makes it not Sunshine Law...? Ms. Griffin: Correct. Ms. Higuchi- Sayegusa: Well, I guess under Sunshine Law, if two (2) or more of the members here, but not enough to constitute quorum, can get together and form an investigative committee. Just be cautious and make sure you define, in this meeting, the scope of the investigation and the authority given to that particular group. You know all this, but just to repeat for everybody's information. Also, all the results and all the findings have to be reported back to this body, and no deliberation or decision- making is going to be handled with the investigative committee. It's just merely for investigation, discussing and negotiating any positions, but all decisions have to come back before this body. Ms. Griffin: Thank you so much for your counsel. NEW BUSINESS Re: Appointment of investigative committee members (Permitted Interaction Group) to discuss and explore strategies on informing the public and land owners on the State and National Register of Historic Places Nomination Process and Incentives for placing historic structures on to the National or State Register of Historic Places. Once formed and the task completed, the investigative committee will present its findings to the Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision - making. Ms. Griffin: So the first PIG that we would like to set up is to discuss and explore strategies on informing the public and land owners on the State and National Register of Historic Places Nomination Process and Incentives for owners to place structures on one or both of the registers. Anne, I know you were the first person who talked to me about the possibility of exploring these strategies in a PIG, so that we could come back. So I'd like to appoint you to be one (1) of the people in this group. Ms. Schneider: Okay. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page b Ms. Griffin: Is there another volunteer who would like to explore strategies on publicizing and promoting this? Ms. Arinaga: I can. Ms. Griffin: Excellent, Ms. Arinaga. And I will also join the group. Ms. Schneider: Since you have all the information. Mr. Long: Can we have a fourth? Ms. Griffin: Yes. Four (4) is less than a quorum. And that's great. We will communicate on where and when to get together. Ms. Schneider: Are we allowed to email each other? Ms. Higuchi- Sayegusa: As far as coordination of when to get together, that kind of thing? Ms. Schneider: Right. Yeah. Ms. Higuchi- Savegusa: Yeah. I think that would be fine, right, just to coordinate schedules, yeah. Ms. Griffin: Thank you. Jay Furfaro entered the meeting at 3:16 p.m. Ms. Griffin: Okay, so we will report back at the nearest time. And I see our head of Boards and Commissions, Mr. Furfaro, would you like to say anything on... We have a new Commissioner, Honey Girl Hoomanawanui. Mr. Furfaro: Hoomanawanui, Honey Girl. I know her family, I know her very well. Plus, my oldest daughter is also nicknamed "Honey Girl ", but I'm only going to be here for a few minutes. Welcome. I have a 3:30 appointment with the Mayor on another issue, but I'll be right here. Ms. Griffin: Thank you. Mr. Furfaro: And happy 41h of July to everyone. Ms. Griffin: Thank you. Ms. Hoomanawanui: Thank you. You too. July 2. 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 7 Re: Appointment of investigative committee (Permitted Interaction Group) to discuss and explore creating a Smart Phone Application to identify and highlight Historic properties on Kauai. Once formed and the task completed, the investigative committee will present its findings to the Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision - making. Ms. Griffin: Our second item, under New Business, is the appointment of another PIG, Permitted Interaction Group, to discuss and explore creating a Smart Phone Application to identify and highlight Historic properties on Kauai. Once formed and the task completed, the committee will present its findings to the Commission in a duly noticed meeting for decision - making. I will appoint Kuulei Santos. It was her finding at our San Diego conference that she came back and brought us. As I recall, Victoria Wichman also expressed a strong interest in being part of identifying that. Are there other people that would like to be on the phone ... and as you'll recall, our previous attorney was at pains to explain to us what an "app" is. (Laughter in background) So I'm sure that we are all duly educated. Anyone else would like to join that group? Okay, I will also be part of that and so we'll leave it at three (3), and we can get one (1) more person to join us in the future, if we choose. Thank you. Ms. Hi cgu hi- Sayegusa: Are we going to decide on that person today or...? Ms. Griffin: No. If next month, somebody else... A PIG has to be done once and for all? Ms. Arinaga: So if we need someone, I'll go ahead and join that group as well. Ms. Griffin: Thanks. I think three (3) is adequate, but if you're interested, we're happy. Would you like to be part? Ms. Arinaga: Yes. Ms. Griffin: Okay, so... Mr. Hironaka: So who are the members? Ms. Griffin: Yes. Kalei Arinaga, Kuulei Santos, Victoria Wichman, and Pat Griffin. Mr. Hironaka: And the previous one? Ms. Griffin: And the previous one was Schneider, Mr. Long, Ms. Arinaga.. I Ms. Arinaga: And yourself. Ms. Griffin: And Ms. Griffin. This is a much more formal, this one, we go by our last names in this PIG. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 8 Mr. Hironaka: May I approach the Board? Ms. Griffin: Please. Mr. Hironaka: I just wanted to inform the Commission that if you need assistance in us trying to coordinate, like a meeting place for the PIG, either email me or Shan and let us know, and we will try to see if we can find a meeting space available for you. Also, if you would want Staff to attend, let us know. We can be present at all of the ... whichever meetings you want us to be present at. Ms. Griffin: Excellent. Mr. Hironaka: Okay. Ms. Griffin: Because all of us spend a lot of our time north of the Wailua River, I'm thinking that if there may be a reasonable place for the National Register discussion outside of the County Building, but we'll definitely be copying you on all of the.. . Mr. Hironaka: Okay, thank you. Ms. Griffin: Thank you, Myles. Don't go away. Re: Review of existing Historic Districts as listed on the National and State Register of Historic Places. Ms. Griffin: Number three (3) is the review of existing Historic Districts that are currently listed on the National and /or State Register of Historic Places. Mr. Hironaka: Okay. At the last KHPRC meeting, that was in June of this year, the Commission asked for this item to be placed on the agenda, and I think the question was, do we have historic districts on Kauai and where are they? And how many are there on Kauai? So what we tried to do is, we looked at the National Register of Historic Places and actually I found six (6); unfortunately I only printed out five (5). I think the Chair found seven (7), if I'm not mistaken. Ms. Griffin: Six (6) is good. Mr. Hironaka: Oh six (6)? Okay, okay. So attached to your agenda is at least five (5) of the ones that we were able to find, and you can go over each one if you want to, starting with the first item. The Kauai Belt Road on the north shore and this really follows most of the Kauai Belt Road going from Hanalei onto, I believe, into Wainiha. So along with that is ... oh, let me just back up. These were, again, found on the register and the way we determined or found that it was a district, if you look at, for example, the first one, which is the Kauai Belt Road. On the second page, if you turn it over, you'll see that they have here "Category of Property ", and that is where they'll list this as a district. The Chair asked me to do some research on this, so I'll pass this out. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 9 I think most of you probably already know this, but again, this is an excerpt taken from the National Register website, and this explains how they define the categories of historic property and there are five (5) of them. So you have the building, structure, object, site, and the last one is the district. If you were to turn to page 4, on the top of the page it explains what a "district" is. So that is, a district possesses a significant concentration, linkage, or continuity of sites, buildings, structures, or objects united historically or aesthetically by plan or by physical development. I think that's the category that you're currently looking at. Each one of these ... of the five (5) historic district documents that we have here, which were taken from the National Register, all are in the historic district category. Ms. Griffin: Please. Ms. Schneider: Do we still not have a draft inventory? Ms. Griffin: We have a long standing inventory from the 1990's, but we do... Ms. Schneider: The one that's (inaudible). Ms. Griffin: The one of our two (2) districts that began couple years ago, we don't yet have. Mr. Furfaro, did you have something to say? Mr. Furfaro: Yes. I had a question for the Planning Department. Myles, when we reference the historic nature of these qualifications, do we need to use the original district names? Such as Puna versus Kawaihau, such as Haleleia versus Hanalei, I mean, what is the criteria there? Just for clarification. Mr. Hironaka: I think it would be nice for us to maintain that historic name. But again, these are the State National Register requirements that are being applied to these historic districts. Ms. Griffin: That's an excellent point you bring up, and times have changed on that. If you look at one of our National Historic Landmarks, is the Russian Fort, and I don't think anybody today, writing that document, would name it the Russian Fort. So it will be refreshing and important for us to utilize our historic names. Thank you. Mr. Furfaro: I just think using the wahi pang that is appropriate for the district is probably the right historical approach to those districts. We need to record it as such because two (2) of our five (5) names are used dramatically different today. Thank you for the clarification. Mr. Hironaka: Thank you. May I just add along with this list, I think we don't have the Ha` ena Archaeological Complex and also the Russian Fort. Ms. Griffin: The Nu`alolo Kai.. What is it...the ... somewhere I have... July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 10 Mr. Hironaka: Maybe I can just go quickly. You have the Kauai Belt Road as one (1), then 1 believe you have the Grove Farrn,you have the ... sorry. Ms. Schneider: Waioli Mission. Mr. Hironaka: You have the Grove Farm Complex, which is the second item. Third item we have is the Llhu` e Civic Center Historic District. And then the fifth item we have here is the Wailua Complex of Heiau on the National Historic Landmark. Commissioner Wichman entered the meeting at 3:27 p.m. Ms. Griffin: Then the other two (2), if you all can look at all of the sites either on the State or the National Register at the State Historic Preservation Division website; so if you google "Hawai`i State Historic Preservation Division ", you'll see where it talks about the sites. The other two (2) that they list are the Na Pali Coast Archaeological District and the Hd'ena Archaeological Complex. With many of the cultural sites, and this has been an issue for many years and it's come up in this Commission, there's concern about damage intruding on private spaces of a cultural nature. You'll see that the address is restricted on the Na Pali Archaeological Complex, as it is around Hawaii with various archaeological and cultural sites that are on the register. So thank you for that. And that brings us...we wanted to see what was on now in part because of the discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. So are there other questions for Myles or comments that any of you want to make on the current districts before we move to the next agenda item? No, well thank you very much, that's really helpful. UNFINISHED BUSINESS Re: Discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. Ms. Griffin: So we'll go to Unfinished Business, which is C.1., discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. The reason the National Register sites came up was because our SHPD representatives came and because of the passage of House Bill 830 into law, the State is no longer going to get permit reviews for historic residential structures, unless they're already on the State or National Register. Mr. Helder: Would you repeat that? Ms. Griffin: HB 83 0, says that residences, even if they're historic, will not go to SHPD for review, unless the property is on the State or National Register; that is a big change. SHPD was given some money. SHPD is the State Historic Preservation Division. And it was given some money to identify and inventory potential residences that could become historic districts. In looking for residences, they asked us last month if we had recommendations on Kauai for places. So perhaps you all have come up with potentials that we can recommend to SHPD for further investigation. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 11 I thought of two (2), and one (1) is the ... and I have...one (1), the first one, is out at Waimea, the Plantation Camp that's adjacent to the Waimea Plantation Cottages. And I looked on the County's Tax Map Key, there are several buildings, several residences, plenty, but they're all owned by one (1) entity; the Heritage Center, LLC. That may make it easier, to have one (1) owner, if that owner is interested in historic places, but it's a pretty intact plantation camp that's existing. I can pass this around if it's of interest to anybody. Jay Furfaro left the meeting at 3:30 p.m. Ms. Schneider: How about the street with (inaudible) sugar is? With the street lights and the houses set back, that would be a district in itself. Plus Makaweli, the camp down there. Ms. Griffin: Yes. Is it possible for you to take notes of this as suggestions that we can send to SHPD? Yes, that certainly is a possibility as well. They also have single owners I believe. Ms. Schneider: Gay and Robinson probably. Ms. Griffin: And one (1) that doesn't that is in the Puna District is the Old Pineapple Manager's Neighborhood; across by Baby Beach, across the street from like Safeway. It's just chockfull of plantation vernacular houses. Those are all different owners, so the possibility of getting 50% of the people might be a challenge, but that also is intact. So having brought up a few from your own neighborhoods and areas, are there other places where there is intact, a group of historic houses that you think might...? Ms. Schneider: Hanalei, the Sandborn division, those cottages. Mr. Helder: Which ones? Ms. Schneider: On Weke Road, there are the Sanborn Cottages, there were four (4) or five (5) of them in a row. I don't know how many of them are still intact. Mr. Helder: There's three (3) and then two (2) are ... one (1) we've dealt with maybe five (5) years ago when they built a building behind it; they did a nice job. And then another one was done, just torn to shreds. So there are three (3) of those left. And then on the other side of the road, there's the old Faye House, which would be one. Also, Wilcox, the Wilcox place. Ms. Griffin: Mahamoku? Ms. Schneider: Faye House is on the market for like $40 million. (Laughter in background) July 27 2015 KH.PRC Meeting Minutes Page 12 Mr. Helder: Yes, some extraordinary amount. Ms. Schneider: Julia Roberts (inaudible). Mr. Helder: But those two (2) are intact. Ms. Griffin: Mahamoku is already on the National Register, Wilcox House. Mr. Helder: Oh okay, okay. I didn't know that. Ms. Schneider: There were several others along Weke Road; the Ching's house and the one next to it. I don't know the people's name, but they're very intact, never been changed. Mr. Helder: That was a question we had last month was, do we have a list of what's on the Historic Register already? And... Ms. Griffin: That's why I was suggesting, and perhaps we can get a ... this is the copy that I made from the State Historic Preservation Division... Mr. Helder: So State had that already? Because these guys that came over last month, they were saying they didn't have access to... Ms. Griffin: Well residence... potentials for residential neighborhoods. There are several neighborhoods that probably all of us can think of, that probably would not get acceptance from the owners to. ..so, they are hoping to get the inventory done by November or so; that's why we're bringing it up. If there's nothing else forthcoming this month, then perhaps we can look at it again next month, one last time, and send it to SHPD following that. Mr. Helder: I would really like it if they would send each of us a copy of that list, so that we would have it, plus the list of Historic Districts, so we have some format as a resource to be able to fine tune our thinking and find out if something we are thinking about is already on there. Ms. Schneider: Or you could just use the inventory that Spencer did in the `90s. Ms. Griffin: You don't have that in the training stuff that they... Ms. Schneider: I probably do. Ms. Griffin: Shan, is that list in a PDF format? Of the 1990's inventory? Ms. Jimenez: I can scan it into a PDF. Ms. Griffin: If you can check, not at this moment, but that inventory do es keep coming up. They're asking us though for potentials to investigate and create an inventory for potential districts. I think July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 13 Myles, hopefully he's printing it out again, but the list that I printed from the State Historic Preservation Division list of properties that are on the State and /or National Register is a little flawed and there's something repeated, but I'm sure you all can work through it. When you're at your computers, look up that list again. Mr. Helder: Is it possible to have that converted to a PDF? Ms. Griffin: Sure. But I think Myles is probably copying it for us at the moment. I just gave it to him.. Its three (3) pages. Mr. Helder: If it's possible to have these lists made into PDFs that we can access or get downloaded, that's actually now a much better way because I have a stack of paper about this (inaudible). Ms. Griffin: Well, it's on the website, so... Mr. Helder: It is now? Ms. Griffin: It is now. I just printed it out this morning, so doing a PDF from that... Mr. Helder: On the State? Ms. Griffin: Yes, State Historic Preservation Division. And they have it listed, all the different islands. Ms. Wichinan: So we need to look at that list in order to know what.. . Ms. Arinaga: And to determine... Ms. Wichman: Yes, to determine. Ms. Arinaga: What is out there. Ms. Wichman: Yes, exactly. Ms. Griffin: Yes, and like I said, I think Myles is copying it for everybody. Ms. Schneider: And we need to create a map with all of the districts. Ms. Griffin: On Wikipedia, they have a map of Kauai with all the historic sites that you then click on the little dots and it says which site it is and the list itself is on the left. Ms. Schneider: Kuulei is working to get an app as well. Ms. Griffin: Right. You will have so much fun when you start googling historic register Kauai. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 14 Thank you, Myles. Okay, and meanwhile, perhaps we can send ... is there a willingness of the Commission to send this partial list this month? Or do you want to wait till next month and send one (1) final? Ms. Wichman: I think we should send one (1) final. Ms. Griffin: Then we all have homework. Ms. Wichman: Yes, we do. Ms. Griffin: And perhaps you can, in a couple of weeks, send a reminder to the Commission of thinking about residential areas that have a potential of becoming National Register Districts. Mr. Long: That's only residential? Ms. Griffin: Yes. Mr. Long: And what's happening with the commercial? Ms. Griffin. The residential is for the purpose of their study that the legislature provided some funds to do. Commercial, cultural, historic, it's all fine for us to proceed. And as you know, Kaaina is away on vacation, but he's been working on the conversation we've been having on potential sites that we could nominate that are currently in Lzhu`e, you know, we've gone through that, and that will come back up soon. Anything else on the SHPD request to our CLG for the residential sites? Okay, the second item that I want to bring up under the discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. As a CLG, which is a Federal designation, which is why there's a Historic Review Commission, and Maui has one and Hawaii Island just became a CLG, which gets some funds from the Federal Government through the State Historic Preservation Division. And one of the mandates is that we have this committee (sic), so when we say CLG, that's what we mean, Certified Local Government. Yesterday, Victoria Wichman and I were privileged to be part of the State Historic Preservation Division's strategic planning session. There were representatives from the various different islands and various different parts of preservation activity; cultural, burial, council, planning department from Maui, etc. Perhaps you can talk a little bit about what happened and what you felt was good. Ms. Wichman: Alright. They divided us all up into groups. Well first off, I'll start off with Suzanne Case was there. She's the new Chair of DLNR, and so she introduced herself to us, which was really nice to see her in person. Then Alan Downer, who's actually the...what is he? The deputy? July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 15 Nis. Griffin: He's the Administrator of SHPD. Ms. Wichman: Administrator for State Historic Preservation Division. He actually was the Facilitator for this meeting, and he put a list of what they had come up with and their strategic plan on goals, and wanted us to see if we were in agreeance with that or what we thought the goals should be. So there were six (6) groups around tables and we had the pieces of paper to write on, our different goals, and we all sat around and made up what we thought were priorities within the State for Historic Preservation. It was interesting that each of the groups, we did have a lot of similarities, but yet each of the groups had their uniqueness as well. And if you stopped and looked at the groups, you would understand why, because the people sitting at one (1) table were all burials specialists, so the top of their list was about burials. So it kind of made sense, but what it boiled down to is the things that we were all commonly ... the common thread between all of us, what I noticed, is stuff we've been talking about for over twenty (20) years already. We all had the same thing; the inventory, the GIS, digitization, curation facilities. These have been longstanding, probably longer than twenty (20) years, these discussions. They also talked about rural heritage sites, disaster preparedness, a buffed up education PR, trying to get State historic preservation more positive looking in the community because they don't have a very positive... what would you call it? Ms. Griffin: Reputation. Ms. Wichman: Reputation. And it's true in the end of it. So there's a lot of things to work on. I think this was just a finding meeting; they're going to take all of our advice, all of our different suggestions, and then put together their list. They never mentioned anything about a follow up meeting. Did they? Ms. Griffin: No, they did not. Ms. Wichman: But it was very productive to know the people from across the State within different agencies and non - profits and wearing different hats, how close the similarities were. And that was really positive, except for the fact that they're the same things we've been talking about for over twenty (20) years. (Laughter in background) So we'll see. Hopefully we'll be able to get beyond that and do something about it. Alan Downer seems determined and he's very articulate and he can actually look at something and put it all together and it makes more common sense. He looks at things that we might think are separate issues, but they are actually the same issue.. So he kind of went around the room on all of our suggestions and critiqued them, in a sense. It was very, very helpful for all of us. I think we all learned a lot from it, so hopefully we'll see what happens with this. Hopefully it will go somewhere positive. Ms. Griffin: Thank you. Do you all have questions about the event and what's come out of it? I think one of the pluses of it was getting a group of interested, committed people together from various islands and various disciplines, you know, working toward that same goal. I think all of you are very aware that our State Historic Preservation Division has been under probation with the Feds, the National Park Service, and has really made great strides in hiring. The staff was very July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 16 low and Mary Jane is still there today, but our Kauai arcl hired. The Architectural Branch is almost at full capacity so they are making real strides and I think this is part of it. was education, and I think they are committed to seeing ourselves; training, not simply getting the word out to the as well. iaeologist, Mary Jane Naone, has been now, and the Cultural Branch as well, One of the things that kept coming up how much we can do with educating public, and that's hopeful for all of us Mr. Helder: Was the implication that the State was going to take this on? Or were they discussing it from a point of view of having the CLG's of the Counties independently taking it on? Ms. Wickman: I think it was a bit of both. So there's certain things the State can do and there's certain kuleana that the Counties can do as well. Mr. Helder: So were those divided up so that you were aware of which they were considering in their purview and which they were considering...? Ms. Wichman: A little bit, but I couldn't quote you what it was. Maybe Pat might remember. Ms. Griffin: Well, I think a lot of the session was information gathering, so it wasn't quite that specific. There were ... and Alan Downer is head of the State Division, so his focus is how he can, but of course the CLG's do get some funds and so does SHPD. I don't think there were specifics. What they're doing now is taking all of the groups suggestions and they were in a Staff meeting today going through and trying to prioritize what they can get done in what order, and I think they'll be talking about what really can be ... is their kuleana, and what may be ours, but it wasn't quite that specific. Mr. Helder: The reason I'm asking is when the State sends a letter here on any given project, it goes to the Planning Department and our recommendation goes to the Planning Department. They haven't, in the past, known a whole lot about what's going on over here when they write their recommendation. The Planning Department gives their recommendation always apparently more credence than they have given our recommendation. I'm wondering if it's their intention to, through this process, either become more aware of what's going on over here or delegating what's going on over here to us to our letter and stating so in their letter, saying here's what we know about this, we don't find any conflict; however, you may want to refer to your own CLG Board /Commission, for more detailed infonnation. Is that ever possible? Did that sound possible? Ms. Griffin: It didn't come up yesterday. Myles, do you want to respond as a Planning Department person on how the letters come in? Mr. Hironaka: I was going to respond a little bit to what you were saying as far as that process. I guess, prior to a few years ago, the process was we would submit the request and if it involved some sort of a pen-nit before the Planning Department or Planning Commission, we would submit the application to the State Historic Preservation Division; we still do that now. We would receive July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 17 their comments, and if it's something that would warrant the review of the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission, we would try to schedule it, as well as provide the State's comments to this board. We would then provide your comments, as well as the State's comments to the ... if it required the review of the Planning Commission, then both would be submitted to the Planning Commission for them to review. In recent times, the State Historic Preservation Division has asked to hear what your recommendations are before they had made their recommendations. So I don't know if that answers your question. Mr. Helder: That partially answers my question, but my issue is addressing more the Planning Department; how they approach each of our recommendations because the State hasn't historically been real focused on our individual projects. What they find objectionable or not really has to do with State issues, but what we're dealing with is really on the ground here. Yet, the Planning Department in the past, (as my third time on this board) has sided with the State if the State said they had no objections. If the Planning Department wanted to do something, they would use that as the go- ahead, the check off box, and our recommendation (off the top of my experience) has been ignored. I'm wondering if there's been a change in that situation because otherwise we have a lot of panels talking about this, but the reality on the ground is we made a recommendation and for a long time, we never heard back on how it was handled. Ms. Griffin: We are getting the memos that they send now, and the Staff has been very good about that. Mr. Helder: That's great. That's really a good... Mr. Hironaka: Well, I'm not saying that we would purposely not consider your recommendation or comments, but I think we've tried to incorporate your comments in many of the Commission's conditions of approval, as well as the actions that are taken by the Planning Department when it comes to permits that are solely reviewed by the Planning Department. Ms. Griffin: There has been change over the years on who gets first dibs on the conversation, and for a long time, when you and I were on in the early part of this millennium, the sense was very much that SHPD trumped KHPRC, and we would wait for their letter, comments, documentation to respond; that changed two (2) or three (3) years ago. The conversation at the time was we're the boots on the ground, and we're the ones that know our island, our districts, the places around us, and SHPD very much wanted to hear our response and opinions. I asked Anna Broverman in the Architecture Department that exact thing yesterday because I had more recently heard that that was changing again, and she said no that the State still feels like we are the ones, it's our community that has the most information and stake in the world around us. There was a time we suggested that decisions we make become memoranda for the Planning Commission and that one (1) of our Commissioners read what it said to the Commission because the Planning Commission gets such huge stacks. It's just one more sheet of paper in with a lot of others, and it was a way to get the word out about preservation. It may be something we can talk about in the PIG, and when it comes down to agenda topics, I will ask that it be on next month's agenda to discuss whether or not that's something we want to work on doing again in the future, but it's not an agenda item today. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 18 Mr. Helder: Okay. I just have one more. You said that you would send stuff to State and if you thought that it then needed to be addressed by us, it would be addressed by us. Is it possible to reverse those two? And have it come to us first, and then if you think State needs to deal with it, or are we talking about DOT stuff, or bridges, or...? Mr. Hironaka: Well, I think the process is like a simultaneous process; we'll submit the request for comments by the State Historic. ..because we're on a timeline to process plans, so what we will do is submit both to the State and to bring it to the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission for its review. Sometimes the State would, like I said in the past, they would submit their comments, which would be available to you. As the Chair indicated, I think they have shifted some of their policies to where they want to hear from you first before they make their recommendations. In some instances though, this body may want to have the comments or recommendations from the State Historic Preservation Division as part of its deliberation for what you're reviewing. Mr. Helder: No, no, I have no problem with that; when it comes to us is fine. Mr. Hironaka: Right. Ms. Schneider: Sometimes the State does not respond in a timely fashion. Mr. Hironaka: And I think you have made recommendations without their comments. Ms. Griffin: That was, again, a really positive thing about the strategic planning session yesterday because although we're independent levels of government, we work in coordination, so getting to know the people. An example when it was very helpful for us to hear from the State was when we dealt most recently with the Coco Palms permit. They had knowledge and information and a handle on the complexities that were very helpful to us. So it becomes an item by item basis in part and understanding what you're saying. Ms. Wichman: Can I add to that please? The atmosphere with the State Historic Preservation has changed quite a bit in the last few years; especially since on this island. We lost our Archaeologist, Nancy McMahon, and then we had a gap for several years, and we had Susan Lebo from Oahu corning over, but she didn't know this island at all, which is why she probably suggested, you guys know the island, so... But now we have Mary Jane Naone, and she's been here over a year now. She's doing things very timely, she's a very smart lady, and she's getting into the community quite well, a lot of respect. So things are more timely now, things have improved quite a bit. Mr. Helder: Is she ordinarily going to be at our meetings? Ms. Wichman: Yes. Today she's on Oahu. She can't make it today. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 14 Mr. Hironaka: Right. She expressed her regrets not being here because she's part of the strategic meeting with the State Historic Preservation Division. Ms. Wichman: We're very fortunate to have her. Mr. Helder: Good. Mr. Griffin: Last month, as you remember, Kaiwi came as the new Architectural Branch Chief, I nd Anna Broverman has been right in there. Like I said, I did ask her specifically yesterday, are we boots on the ground? You know, where is that responsibility? Is there anything else about the CLG status? Okay, hearing none. COMMISSION EDUCATION (None) Ms. Griffin: Item E, Commission Education. Obviously we have none, but you all recall that last month on Ian's last day with us, sitting next to me, he did make the serious mistake by saying for the next two (2) months he's going to be off, just hanging out and surfing with his kids, and if we wanted some assistance, he could do it. I would like him to come next month with Commission Education, if he's willing and our Staff can arrange it, and educate us about the tax credits and other benefits to placing properties on the State and /or National Register. We do have County tax credits for residential properties. There are National Historic tax credits for rehabilitation of commercial properties, so there are things we should know about that are benefits for the public for preservation. So if that's possible, that would be great. I think all of us would learn from that. SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS Ms. Griffin: And then F. the Selection of the Next Meeting Date, which is the first Thursday, August the 6tb. So don't go on vacation. And... Ms. Wichman: May I add something please? Ms. Griffin: Yes. Ms. Wichman: You have a number two (2), the appointment of investigative committee for the Smart Phone App... Ms. Griffin: We did that. You're on. Ms. Wichman: Oh, I'm on it? Okay. In regards to that though, may I say something? Kauai Nui Kuapapa proj ect is doing the moku and the ahupua` a signs for the Mayor ... for the County. They'd like to come and do a presentation, and I'm part of that group as well, so we'd like to do a presentation on updating the Commission on where we stand with this project. July 2, 2015 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 20 Ms. Griffin: Excellent, Ms. Wichman: We had some big strides with DOT just yesterday; huge strides. Our Mayor went to D.C. to fight for this project, and anyway we would like to do a presentation at the next meeting, if we can. Ms. Griffin: Would you have the appropriate person contact Myles Hironaka to arrange that for our agenda? That would be great. Ms. Wichman: Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Ms. Griffin: And the other topic that should be on the agenda next month is our residential district recommendations for the State Historic Preservation Division. Anything else? Hearing nothing, the meeting is adjourned. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 4:03 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, arcie Agaran Commission Support Clerk Date: 10 Who