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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2017_0622_KHPRC_Minutes_ApprovedKAUA'I COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/213 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai County Kauai Historic Preservation Commission (KHPRC) was held on June 22, 2017 in the Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B. The following Commissioners were present: Chair Victoria Wichman; Vice -Chair Deatri Nakea; Larry Chaffin Jr.; James Guerber; Gerald Iida; Stephen Long; and Anne Schneider. The following Commissioners were absent: Althea Arinaga; and Charlotte Hoomanawanui. The following staff members were present: Planning Department — Myles Hironaka; Ka`aina Hull, Shanlee Jimenez; Office of the County Attorney — Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi- Sayegusa; Office of Boards and Commissions — Commission Support Clerk Sandra Muragin. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3:01 p.m. ROLL CALL Chair Wichman: Good afternoon everyone. Let's have a call to order ... a roll call. Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Hull: Commissioner Arinaga. (No response) Commissioner Chaffin. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Guerber. Mr. Guerber: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Hoomanawanui. (No response) Commissioner Iida. Mr. Iida: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Long. Mr. Long: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Nakea. Ms. Nakea: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Schneider. Ms. Schneider: Here. Mr. Hull: Chair Wichman. Chair Wichman: Here. Mr. Hull: We have a quorum Chair. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Chair Wichman: Has everyone had a chance to look at the agenda? Mr. Hull: The Department would ask ... recommend, if the Chair is willing to amend the agenda so that agenda item I.2. Aloha Theatre & Sweet Shop be moved to directly after H.1. Unfinished Business. Chair Wichman: Can I have a motion from one of the Commissioners? Mr. Guerber: I so move. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: Second. Chair Wichman: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote). Opposed? (None) Motion carried 7:0. APPROVAL OF THE MAY 25, 2017 MINUTES Chair Wichman: Did everyone have a chance to read the minutes of May 25th? Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we accept the minutes. Chair Wichman: Commissioner Schneider made a motion to accept the minutes. Mr. Guerber: I'll second that. Chair Wichman: Seconded by Mr. Guerber. Any discussion? Mr. Chaffin Jr.: I have several comments that I've already gone over with Myles (Hironaka). Chair Wichman: Okay, should we do those aloud? June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 2 of 16 Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi-Sayegusa: Yes, maybe just a brief summary of what was changed and then we would have to approve the minutes. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: On page 5 near the bottom of the page, "Mr. Hull: We can provide a list for you. I would hesitate to incorporate that into the rules" I have not yet received that and I have gone over this with Myles. The status on the next page, page 6 "Mr. Guerber: I think Mr. Chan is asking for a Commission book that is given to every Commissioner... " that has not been done yet but it's in the process. Then on page 7 in the middle of the page, the last line, procession, should be possession. It's a typo. Chair Wichman: Thank you. Mr. Guerber: I move that the minutes be accepted as revised. Chair Wichman: May I have a second? Ms. Nakea: I second. Chair Wichman: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Opposed? (None) Motion carried 7:0. HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENT Mr. Hull: This time is for any public comment from individuals in the audience or applicants themselves. We can move to the next agenda item. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS Mr. Hull: We have no new announcements at this time. COMMUNICATIONS Mr. Hull: No communications. UNFINISHED BUSINESS 1. Discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government (CLG). Chair Wichman: I don't see anyone from State Historic Preservation here. Mr. Hull: There are none today from the CLG side. The County has had discussions with this body for several months concerning a position being allocated for a historic preservation planner. As you all were made aware 4-5 months ago, we had to close the publication for that job position because of no qualified applicants submitting their resumes. We had that historic preservation June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 3 of 16 planner position open for roughly about a year without any applications being vetted. The Department was aware of applicants submitting applications, however, under the qualifications of the Human Resources Department standards and criteria for meeting the job duties and position all the applications were disqualified. A lot has to do with the fact that it requires a level of planning expertise and planning background and not solely just preservation. Apparently it appears to be a stumbling block of getting through the HR process. Unfortunately that's where that landed and I explained it to you several months ago. I can say that we did go out for a position just in the overall planning schematic within a long range division and we have conducted interviews. We do intend to utilize that particular planner as a staff resource for this body which we anticipate having reports and recommendations of analysis be done on all the agenda items. That individual has not been hired at this point, but we do anticipate the hiring happening shortly. From that hiring you can expect some adjustments made in the way in which agendas, in which the material, is presented to you. The agendas will remain the same, but you can also anticipate a staff report, an analysis on each of the agenda items at that point. We're moving in that direction. It still will be a work in process because of the fact that these individuals that are interviewed don't necessarily have a historic preservation background either. There will be a steep learning curve for whoever is hired, but they will be a resource for this body. Mr. Chaffin, Jr.: At our last meeting there was discussion of no applicants and we suggested you contact the various schools of architecture. Mr. Hull: Yes, and we did make some contacts out there as well as within the preservation community here in Hawaii. We did a lot of outreach too. I know for a fact that many applications were submitted and they weren't all qualified for the position through the HR process. We didn't get to see the applications. Chair Wichman: Any other discussion? Mr. Guerber: How long do you keep a position open before you have to just cancel it and resubmit or ask for it again? Mr. Hull: You can keep it open for a fair amount of time. We kept that position open for several months, close to a year before deciding we had to close it. There's also a political analysis that has to be done because every year we do our yearly budget with Council. Mr. Guerber: So it goes in the budget is a problem. Mr. Hull: Correct. Mr. Guerber: That amount is in the budget and gets accumulated and then at the end of the period it goes into reserves if it's not active. Mr. Hull: Yes, but the other problem with it too is if the legislature sees that you have an open position that hasn't been filled in quite some time, it does become a potential chopping block material. We have to make the decision in house to say we need a position for historic June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 4 of 16 preservation and cultural analysis. While we're not getting the specific qualified applications in, we still need the duties and responsibilities filled so we had to change it a little bit. Chair Wichman: Anyone else? Okay moving on. NEW BUSINESS 2. Aloha Theater & Sweet Shop (Ed Justice) TMK: 1-9-04:13 Hanapepe, Kauai Select demolition and repair. Chair Wichman: Will the applicants for the Aloha Theater & Sweet Shop please step forward. Good afternoon and please state your names for the record. Mr. Justice: For the record Ed Justice, the owner of the book store in Hanapepe and also the representative on behalf of the landlord of the Aloha Theater property. Mr. Faye: I'm Mike Faye, Kikiaola Construction. Chair Wichman: Thank you and you have a presentation for us. Mr. Fad What's getting passed around is the current status of the Aloha Theater in Hanapepe. It is currently under an unsafe building violation. The owner is seeking obvious ways to cure the violation and make the building safe and getting the building ready for some kind of renovation into commercial purposes. You have before you the status report and basically the theater was built in 1930 and is one of two theaters in Hanapepe. The other one, the Jardin Theater, was torn down years ago and it is one of five remaining theaters on the island. However, it's the only one that has not been renovated or put to reuse. It is not on any National or State Register and I know that it's on the Kauai list. The theater is currently unoccupied and declared unsafe by Public Works. Fines are accumulating and the owner the Wolf Von Falkenberg Revocable Trust is located in Florida. We have an absentee landlord with Ed (Justice) next door keeping an eye on it. The owner is seeking a building permit to stabilize the structure thereby stop the fines and render the building safe. Once we reach that point the owner intends to apply for a separate building permit to restore the building for commercial use. This is where it gets a little not sticky, but we just want to talk about it a little bit. The stabilization permit is going to invoke selected demolition of some substantial parts of the building and then replace those with new structure to match the old. Ron Agor of Agor Jelin Architects have been engaged to provide the architectural and engineering plans. Initially we went in with a permit to stabilize only the front of the building the fagade, where the stucco is falling apart, the structure is falling apart. (The County) Building Division didn't like that at all and wants the owner to stabilize the entire building, which snakes sense. We are not rejecting that idea, I think in fact we are embracing it and that's a better way to look at it. The reason is basically because it's considered an unsafe building and if they allow only a part of it, there's still parts that are unsafe and presents a liability to the County and a danger to the public. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 5 of 16 Fortunately the structure of the building, if you look at the pictures the front view, the middle tallest part is reinforced concrete and that anchors the front part of the building. The lower wings on the side are wood framed and are basically structurally gone. Termites and rot have gotten the best of those parts and we're planning to remove those and rebuild them. The main hall of the theater the back part where you sit, fortunately is held up by steel trusses which keep the building pretty stable and basically strong, it just looks like hell. How far we want to remove, how much do we want to remove, we don't know yet. We need to do an investigation on the wooden members up there. From afar they look okay and they don't look as bad as the front, but we need to get a manlift inside the building. Its 30 feet up in the air. Get a manlift up there and let Ron Agor take a look and he'll make the recommendations and put it into a budget and into the plans and submit that for the stabilization building permit. We are asking from the Commission, concurrence with our plans and to support the building permit application to stabilize the building. First stabilize, second look at what will be best for the community there, and then what's going to be best for the owner. If you look at the pictures, somebody found this World War II picture of the jeep in front of the Aloha Theater, it's kind of cool. The colored one is kind of current. If you look on the right and left side of that main tall portion of that building it's kind of sinking into itself. The next picture, I don't know if this lady really understands (inaudible) but I thought it was interesting and that has since been fenced off so people can't get back there. This picture is from the better side of it, the mauka side, after we cleared the debris, not the debris the vegetation from it. This is where we're not sure how far Ron's (Agor) going to want to take this to consider it stable. The last set of pictures the top picture shows a steel truss, just a part of it, light was caught on it and I could zoom in it with a big lens. We want to take a look at that to see how really strong it is up there and what the connection at the base of the columns are. The very last one is kind of the trash in the back, obviously it looks bad and we need to get that cleaned up. Generally I don't like to go in there and clean these up because there's some value to even what you see there. The value is how big pieces are so you can kind of back into what was there originally. When you strip it all off, everybody says they remember, everybody says they got a drawing but it doesn't really work that way. But again to get the building permit if we need to clean that all up, we will do that, and while we're doing it we'll generally save a couple of pieces, measure the pieces and rebuild it. Thank you. Chair Wichman: Thank you Mike. Are there any questions from the Commissioner's? Mr. Chaffin Jr.: What is the elevation of the floor level? Is it sloping or level? Mr. Faye: The floor is still sloping. Right past the ticket booth, when you enter, some prior user leveled it off, but I don't believe they destroyed the floor below it. It's just a matter of popping that kind of moss rock wall and retaining wall that made a flat part. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: So the level in the theater, will it be sloping or level? Mr Faye: That's to be determined. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 6 of 16 Chair Wichman: Anyone else? Mr. Iida: Is the owner initiating all of this or are you and your Hui? Mr. Justice: The owner is initiating this. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: On an hourly basis? Mr. Justice: No I'm not getting paid for any of this. It's initiated by the landlord because as Mike (Faye) was saying he's been receiving fines from the Building Department. To deal with that and get the fines taken care of and stabilize the structure he's the one who's initiating the permitting process. Mr. Iida: Does your Hui already have an agreement to purchase this? Mr. Justice: Yes, we already have a purchase contract with him. We initially had an agreement on the purchase price and then he decided to shore up the structure because of the failing stucco sides. We have an addendum to that purchase contract and that puts the contract on pause until the shoring up is done. Once that is completed then the purchase contract will kick back in. Mr. Iida: In your mind, is this thing ever going to be a theater again? Mr. Justice: I don't think so. As a full theater like what you have in Waimea? The only reason that Waimea Theater functions as it does is because it's a non-profit. If it wasn't a non-profit they wouldn't have the ability to generate that kind of revenue to keep it open Plus I think, I could be mistaken, but I believe the Waimea Theater either the building is owned by the County or the land is owned by the County or owned by both and the entity leases it. They have that to help them out. The vision of our group has been to keep everything that you see on the exterior exactly the same. It would be identical to whatever it historically looked like, but the inside would be mixed use with multiple retail and restaurant spaces. It's repurposed for the community to generate more restaurants and more things that people come to. Our vision is that at least a portion of it, probably towards the back it would have a small theater portion that would honor the fact that it was once a theater. It could have small run films or community events or things like that. Ms. Schneider: Do we need a motion? Mr. Hull: A motion would be necessary to dispose of the agenda item. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we're in support of this application. Chair Wichman: Can I make a comment first? Ms. Higuchi-Sam tg lsa: We'll there's a motion on the floor. You could do a second and then have a discussion. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 7 of 16 Mr. Guerber: I'll second that. Chair Wichman: A motion has been made and seconded, now discussion. I have a question. On our agenda it says select demolition and repair, but this isn't a full demolition this is going to be basically a rehabilitation? Mr. Faye: The term select demolition in the context of construction means that we're not going to take it all down, we are going to take parts of it down. Perhaps they phrased this wrong but we have to make it clear to people that there is going to be a demolition, so that we can rebuild it. What's there is not salvageable. I have worked on the Lihu`e Theater, we had the contract for the Waimea Theater and I can tell you that we cannot use some of those parts, they're gone. That's where I'm at. We want to make it clear to you, the Commission, and the general public that if they see a crane in there and something taking apart this fagade that we don't have somebody coming up with a badge and telling us we need to stop. We just want to be clear and upfront that this is what's happening. Chair Wichman: I do know that you're very experienced with this type of work. So you will be working closely with Mr. Agor? Mr. Faye: Yes. Chair Wichman: Good. Mr. Hull: As a matter of disclosure I would like to state that what this Commission has gotten used to and what we have transitioned to, is the Department will not sign any demolition permits or repair re -modification permits for historic structures until KHPRC reviews it. For this application the Department did actually sign the demolition work permit last month and that was because after meeting with, excuse me this month after meeting with both Mr. Faye and Mr. Justice they explained the urgency of the situation. I did inform them that it did have to go through KHPRC. They explained the urgency of the situation and they would need these permits as soon as possible. In looking at what they're proposing they would be coming back with permits to rebuild the theater as it exist or existed previously. The Department felt the urgency and expediency of the situation necessitated the sign off of the demolition permits. Also given Mr. Faye's expertise and background in historic preservation, I felt a little comfortable signing it. It was no way done to slight or ignore your review, it looked like the urgency of the situation was required and they are here for further input as well. Chair Wichman: I have a question for you then. Will the State Historic Preservation Division be looking at this and reviewing this? Mr.Faye: Thank you for all those wonderful words Ka`aina (Hull) but if you'll recall after the meeting we wanted to talk to the Department and get it to KHPRC, but we were a day late for Sunshine so we couldn't do it. So while Ka`aina was willing to sign it we hadn't gotten the building permit process and we didn't have a number. We walked over to the Building Division so we could get the number and come back to Ka`aina and that's where we got stopped. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 8 of 16 Mr. Hull: Oh, so you haven't been issued a building permit yet? Mr. Faye: We were going to go over to the Building (Division) and get a number assigned and come back to you and they stopped it there. The counter people, because of the violations, had to clear it with the head of the Building Inspectors and/or the County Engineer. It got stopped there. Mr. Hull: I stand corrected. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: For clarification, at this point we're only approving a demolition. We're not approving anything else but the demolition. Mr. Fad The permit application is to remove and then replace in kind. It would be the exterior shell of the building that would be rebuilt, the portion that we remove would get rebuilt. If you look on your plans there some areas that are highlighted and boxed which represent the wings on either side of the projection room. That's all stucco, looks like concrete, but its stucco, so those would be removed and then rebuilt and probably without the stucco finish at this point. We would have to put some sort of preservative on it but that would depend on how far the owner wants to go and it may or may not have all the finish on it. For right now, we get to exterior closure, then stability, then stop and catch everything else on an alteration permit. Chair Wichman: Thank you Mike. Any more discussion? (None) So we have a motion on the floor to support the application and we have a second. All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) Motion carried 7:0. 1. Beach Boys' Home (Burch Residence) 5272 Weke Road TMK: 5-5-002: Parcels 105 & 005 Hanalei, Kauai Nomination to the State and National Register of Historic Places. a. Letter (5/18/17) to Stephen Long from Alan S. Downer, PhD, Administrator, State Historic Preservation Division. Chair Wichman: Let's move on to the Beach Boy's Home Burch Residence. Mr. Hull: Before we go into it, Commissioner Long you have to recuse yourself from the Commission. Stephen Long recused himself at 3:33 p.m. Mr. Hull: You are in receipt of the National Register of (Historic Places Registration) Form for the Cox family beach house in Hanalei. You are also in receipt of a letter from the State Historic Preservation Division which supports the Cox family beach house going through the nomination but is recommending or requiring the application be revised and updated. The applicants have June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 9 of 16 been in touch with the Planning Department and have informed us they would like to request a deferral to get this application updated and they will make changes and resubmit back to you after the changes are done. It's on the agenda so if you still want to discuss it's available. Ms. Schneider: It would be wonderful to get this on the register, all these houses along that road. Chair Wichman: Is there any discussion on this? Ms. Schneider: So the applicants are not here? Mr. Hull: The applicants don't have a representative here and the communication they conveyed to the Department was just to request for deferral until they update the application. Ms. Schneider: Do you need a motion? Chair Wichman: Yes, we need a motion. Mr. Guerber: I'll move that we defer this until a future time when they resubmit. Chair Wichman: Thank you Mr. Guerber. Ms. Schneider: I second. Chair Wichman: Seconded by Commissioner Schneider. Any other discussion? (None) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) Motion carried 6:0. Stephen Long returned back into the meeting at 3:35 p.m. 3. Review for Historic Importance of a 1.39 acre parcel located in `Aliomanu, `Aliomanu Ahupua`a, Koolau Moku, further identified as Tax Map Key (TMK) (4)4-9-004:013, Owner: `Aliomanu Beach Living Trust. Mr. Hull: There is no application on this. What you have is a referral from the Open Space Preservation Fund Commission. The Open Space Preservation Fund Commission was formed back in 2005 and it was a Charter Amendment that allocates approximately 0.5% of the County of Kauai real property revenue to this specific fund. It is to be used solely for the purpose of acquisition of properties for recreational purposes; for access purposes; for preservation purposes; even historical and cultural preservation as well. This Commission meets once a month to look at an array of different properties and areas on the island that may be appropriate to use their monies to acquire for those various purposes. They recently received a recommendation from a member of the public to look at this `Aliomanu property to acquire primarily for access purposes because at least in the eyes of the recommender there isn't adequate beach access in this area. There is an access to the beach approximately 800-900 feet down the road but the recommendation is that it's too far away and that's why this recommendation came to the Open Space Commission. At the Open Space Commission meeting June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 10 of 16 the Department, and you also have our report, our official relation with the Open Space Commission is we are its staff and we advise. Their recommendation, regardless of what our recommendation is, they send their recommendation to Council for acquisition or not. The Department recommended this is not an appropriate property to use for the fund because it has a structure, a house on it. Acquiring an access property that has this house on it and putting it in the County's portfolio, the Department felt it was questionable and what purpose would the County use it for. Two, the acquisition fund is to be used for access or for preservation and this structure is not historically significant. We have checked both the State and National Register which it is not on and it is not on the County of Kauai housing inventory. It is an old structure built back in 1929 and as you all are aware, Hawaii Revised Statutes 6E was amended to remove residential structures from that category. Commercial or industrial structures over 50 years old do automatically get put into the historic significant category and residential structures over 50 years old do not. Under those criteria the Department doesn't feel it's a historic structure is another reason why we shouldn't look at expending these funds for acquisition. In response to that, the Open Space Commission decided to refer this property over to you good people to see if you as the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission find this structure to be of historic significance. Ms. Schneider: How would that affect (inaudible)? Mr. Hull: I think the intent to refer is if you folks do find it historically significant then they would feel more comfortable recommending to Council that funds be expended to purchase this property. If you do not, there would be some hesitancy on the part of some if not all the Commissioners. Chair Wichman: The only paper I see here is the real estate. It says offer for $2.9 million, is that what the County would be paying for that? Mr. Hull: It's what's being listed. What the County pays for is up to the County Council. The Open Space Commission is advisory to the County Council, they send the recommendation up to the County Council to look for acquisition purposes and in those recommendations they will also have a figure to be expended. The County Council can decide to move that figure up or down. If any other properties are sent up to the County Council there is a new protocol that we are putting in place that the property will be appraised by the County to determine its appraisal value. Ms. Schneider: This is the same purchase like the land for black pot. Mr. Hull: Yes, that fund was used for black pot purposes for expansion of the park. The funds that were used, were used for condemnation proceedings where the County forcibly took that land. The County Council is in receipt of our recommendation from the Open Space Commission for the County to acquire the Kekaha Chinese cemetery, particularly for historic preservation purposes and they are considering that right now. Ms. Schneider: That seems more appropriate than this one. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 11 of 16 Mr. Hull: In the Departments eyes. If you want to discuss what you have here, I don't think you would be comfortable making a full analysis at this point. It was just referred to you and this is the initiation of that referral. The Department does intend to do research into the property itself and the structure to see if they have been altered over time. A preliminary review this morning looks like the house may have been significantly altered on both its roof and its exterior. That is something we will have our staff work on. We are also asking for a deferral for time to research. In our eyes whether or not it's historically significant we will get you our assessment and analysis of it and then you can take it from there. Ms. Schneider: Do you need a motion to defer? Mr. Hull: Yes, we would request that. I don't want to prevent any discussion you may want to have on it today. Ms. Nakea: I just have a question and I think, it's Open Space's kuleana. When you say access, that's beach access? Where is the nearest access now for the public? Ms. Hull: It's roughly 700 to 800 feet away and it's on the same road as this property. Ms. Nakea: Oh okay. Chair Wichman: Any more discussion? Mr. Iida: If we say okay, that house has historic significance, and then they push it up to Council. Does that create a bigger headache for you as opposed to just being a house? Mr. Hull: Right. I'll be honest, whether or not this body finds the structure to be historically significant, the Department would not be changing its assessment. This is not an appropriate property to acquire. Above and beyond that and I was working with the County's Attorney's Office and Jodi (Higuchi-Sayegusa) helped a lot on this, even if the Commission still wants to move on it the expenditure of funds for properties with structures on them require an environmental assessment (EA). We would have to do a 1-2 year study which will cost $40,000.00 to $50,000.00 before we could even move on this. Because there is access roughly 700 to 800 feet away and this property would be a liability for the County for which we would not know what to do with the structure itself, on top of which.... Ms. Schneider: So the property would be more advantageous if it didn't have the structure? Mr. Hull: Indeed it would. It would be a bit easier to manage without a structure on it, because once we acquire it the Open Space Commission Fund cannot be used for maintenance purposes. They would acquire and then tell the County now you need to take care of this house and figure out what to do with it. The Parks Department has been very clear in other applications that it does not have the resources to care for any more of these facilities or sites. I'll leave it at that and above and beyond that it is a discussion with the Open Space Commission for the management of their funds. The fund has roughly $6 million dollars in it right now, which is a fair amount but when you talk about acquiring property in Hawaii $6 million dollars doesn't go June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 12 of 16 a long way. This particular acquisition would deplete the fund substantially. Commissioner Iida I appreciate the question, yes it would be a headache for the County and we would not know how to manage this site. That is our recommendation to the Open Space Commission Fund as we go through the analysis and maybe the next meeting when we have done our report, I would say not to let that get in the way in analyzing the site or structure to determine whether or not you as a Historic Preservation Commissioner find it historic or not. Mr. Iida: All we're being asked is if this structure is historically significant. It has nothing to do with archeology. Mr. Guerber: So what is our choices here? We can accept it or receive it? Mr. Hull: Let me answer Commissioner Iida's question. The Department has already acknowledged that there is cultural significance on this property, that previously it has been used for access purposes and for cultural reasons. We are not saying the site does not have cultural or historic significance. The concern the Department gave to the Open Space Commission was using the funds to acquire what could be a culturally significant site that is also used for access purposes. The issue is that it also has a structure on it that is neither culturally or historically significant and that would also be part of that acquisition for which we don't believe is appropriate for the fund. What the Commission did is they are sending you just the structure and ask if you find this structure historically significant. Ms. Schneider: So we need more information on the structure. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: What more information are we looking for? Isn't it pretty clear that it's not significant? Can we not approve the site excluding the building? Mr. Hull: Say that again Commissioner? Mr. Chaffin Jr.: Approve the site at the same time excluding the building. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: I think the Open Space Commission specifically referred it to this body so that your expertise could look more specifically on the building. They're concerned with whether there is any historical significance of the structure. There could be other aspects of the property that could be significant, the access and also there could be historical burials. The context of the referral was specifically for the building. Chair Wichman: Shouldn't the land be taken into consideration as well? I feel we do not have enough information to make any type of decision and knowing this area I would agree there's probably a lot of cultural significance here that hasn't been addressed. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: How is that information going to be prepared? Are we giving them to someone on contract to do this research on this property? Mr. Hull: The Department would be discussing that in-house whether or not we have a...like when I pointed out we do anticipate having a staff member for you shortly here. This would June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 13 of 16 probably be one of the responsibilities; to begin further research on this specific property and potential historical significance as well as the structure. From there, we'll have to decide whether or not they have to go further and a contract needs to be signed for further review. At this point the Department is not sure. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: I see the two separate issues, one the entire property and secondly just the structure. Mr. Hull: Commissioner I think you're absolutely right. That's the discussion that will be going on when it's brought back to the Open Space Commission. The site itself can be culturally important. The Department has already recognized that given public comments that has come in about this being an access for cultural purposes. We've acknowledged that already. The Department had concerns, if we expend these monies on the property it would simultaneously be acquiring a structure of significant value that has no function or purpose within the Open Space Fund criteria; be it historic preservation; be it access; be it anyone of these issues. The fact is we can't buy the land and not buy the house. The house comes with the land and that's where the Department has concerns and that's why the Open Space Commission sent it over to you. Because there's a referral we wanted to get it on the agenda and we are asking for a deferral so we can research this a bit further. Mr. Long: Could the County Open Space negotiate an easement on the property with the owner? Mr. Hull: That's something that our Planner is researching. The fact that they've put up no trespassing signs where people have traditionally walked, we're anticipating not. It's a discussion that our Planner has begun to try and reach out with the property owner. Chair Wichman: Any other discussion? Is there a motion? Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we defer this until we get further information. Chair Wichman: Commissioner Schneider made a motion. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: Second. Chair Wichman: Seconded by Commissioner Chaffin. Any discussion? (None) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) Motion carried 7:0 COMMISSION EDUCATION COMMITTEE Chair Wichman: Any reports? No. KAUA'I HISTORICAL RESOURCE INVENTORY UPDATE COMMITTEE 1. Update on the Permitted Interaction Group (PIG) for updating the Kauai Historical Inventory. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 14 of 16 Mr. Long: We had a meeting last Friday where Myles (Hironaka) and I spent the afternoon in the car, in the rain and it was lovely. We did all of mauka Kalaheo and what we have left to survey is half of makai Kalaheo. During that review, we reviewed 62 properties and structures; we kept 33 on the list; we removed 7 and there are 22 we are doing more research on. In that area we found this in the woods (referred to a picture) we don't know what it is yet. It is really interesting and it has a fence around it. Mr. Guerber: Where was this? Planning Department Myles Hironaka: Mauka side of Kalaheo. Mr. Long: This is the top of whatever it was and has fallen over. We'll research, and then we're going to schedule our next meeting, our final meeting before the next KHPRC meeting. Ms. Schneider: Myles you'll email us this? Thank you. Chair Wichinan: I need a motion to receive the Committee's update. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we accept the Committee's update. Mr. Chaffin Jr.: Second. Chair Wichman: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) Motion carried 7:0. HISTORIC PRESERVATION PUBLICITY COMMITTEE Chair Wichman: Have we had any meetings or any movement on this? No, okay. DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS (July 27, 2017) Chair Wichman: The next meeting is July 27th. 1 � • Chair Wichman: Can I have a motion to adjourn? Mr. Chaffin Jr.: I make a motion to adjourn. Ms. Schneider: I second. Chair Wichman: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Meeting adjourned. Thank you. The meeting adjourned at 3:55 p.m. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 15 of 16 Respectfully Submitted, �SandraM. Muragin Commission Support Clerk Date: 7%71(% ( X ) Approved as circulated. 07/27/17 ( ) Approved with amendments. See minutes of meeting. June 22, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 16 of 16