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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2017_0928_KHPRC_Minutes_ApprovedKAUA'I COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/213 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai County Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission (KHPRC) was held on September 28, 2017 in the Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B. The following Commissioners were present: Vice -Chair Deatri Nakea; James Guerber; Gerald Ida; Stephen Long and Anne Schneider. The following Commissioners were absent: Chair Victoria Wichman (excused); Althea Arinaga (excused); Larry Chaffin Jr. The following staff members were present: Planning Department — Myles Hironaka; Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Hull; Shanlee Jimenez; Alex Wong; Office of the County Attorney — Deputy County Attorney Mahealani Krafft (left 3:11 p.m.); Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi- Sayegusa (arrived 3:11 p.m.); Boards and Commissions Office Staff— Administrator Paula Morikami; Commission Support Clerk Sandra Muragin. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3:06 p.m. ROLL CALL Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Hull: Good afternoon Chair, members of the Commission. First order of business is the roll call. Commissioner Arinaga is excused. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Chaffin. Commissioner Guerber. Mr. Guerber: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Ida. Mr. Ida: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Long. Mr. Long: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Schneider. Ms. Schneider: Here. Mr. Hull: Chair Nakea. Vice -Chair Nakea: Here. Mr. Hull: You have a quorum Madame Chair. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Mr. Hull: The second agenda item is approval of the agenda. I need an approval of the agenda from this Commission. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we approve the agenda as stated. Mr. Guerber: I second. Vice -Chair Nakea: Any discussion? (None) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Motion passes. Motion carried 5:0. APPROVAL OF THE DULY 27, 2017 MINUTES Mr. Hull: Next agenda item is approval of the July 27, 2017 minutes. Mr. Guerber: I move to approve. Ms. Schneider: I second. Vice -Chair Nakea: Any discussion? (None) The minutes are approved. Mr. Hull: Wait did you call the vote? Vice -Chair Nakea: No I didn't. All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) Thank you very much the minutes have passed. Motion carried 5:0. HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENT Mr. Hull: This next agenda item is hearings and public comment. At this time for the audience if you want to testify on any of the agenda items, you can testify now. The Chair is also at her discretion willing to allow testimony at the specific agenda item. But if you would like to testify at the beginning, now is the time. Seeing none, that will be all Madame Chair. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 2 of 28 UNFINISHED BUSINESS 1. Discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government (CLG). Mr. Hull: The next agenda item is H. Unfinished Business, discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. Again, we do not have representation from the Department of Land and Natural Resources Historic Preservation Division. We have transmitted the letter to SHPD (State Historic Preservation Division) from you requesting that their presence be provided at all KHPRC meetings. We did get a response back from the architectural head, Kaiwi Yoon. Kaiwi did apologize for not being able to make it, but he did state that since losing both Anna Broverman and Jessica ... I can't remember Jessica's last name to save me. He lost the two staff under him at the architectural branch and since losing those staff he is not going to be able to attend in person until those positions are filled. We can anticipate for at least the next few months we still will not have representation from SHPD to discuss the Certified Local Government. We do have an update on the Certified Local Government application for the nomination of the Hanapepe Bridge, but that's on a separate agenda item and we will get into that later. Vice -Chair Nakea: Shall we move on into new business? Mr. Long: I have a question. Since this is related to the CLG, can we get clarification on the program where they set aside a couple hundred thousand dollars to finance historic districts? We've been going through that process, is now the time to discuss that? Mr. Hull: Definitely, yes. I can say we ... how can I put this. A few months ago, we finally got notified about our application. As you all are well aware we submitted the application to the Certified Local Government program for the nomination of the Hanapepe Bridge about a year and a half ago. It was only about 3-4 months ago that we received, well 6 months ago, that we received notification that it looks like it was about to be approved. About 4 months ago it was approved and then in the past 2 months we got various paperwork from SHPD that we had to log with our Finance Director; the Mayor's Office; as well circulate through the Attorney General's Office. It was during that time that we did query SHPD on the upcoming CLG funds and applications for them. The response that we got, and it appeared because SHPD, because they're so short staffed right now they're only focusing on getting out the grants that had been awarded. It was in effect saying we don't have time to deal with the new applications. I did make certain, as I've stated on the floor here that because of our lack of staffing, because of their lack of staffing, the only thing the Department will be recommending to this body to go after right now would be funds for training, essentially. But even with that SHPD's response is essentially that they have to focus on administrating the grants. They are way beyond because I'll be honest, the deadline for the completion of the project including the one that has been approved that's before you today is September 30th. We are going to be pushing that window very tightly. We're pretty sure that we can still move it through the State side just because even if the Consultant is not there, I myself; or Myles or Jodi, can fly over to Oahu and represent the County and the application. But that's essentially where it is and I'll say on record, I'm not saying that it's Kaiwi or Randolph's fault that it's so far behind. These guys have been scrambling for months to try and catch up just because of loss of their resources in staffing and just given that it does really seem that the projects, the potential projects in the future are just on hold right now, to be honest. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 3 of 28 Mr. Long: Thank you for clarifying that. My question actually had to do with the Historic District Program. Mr. Hull: Oh okay, I see what you're saying. Mr. Long: Couple hundred thousand dollars. Mr. Hull: Right, so that was, my apologies for misunderstanding that. What Commissioner Long was referring to is that there's an actual program that the State Legislature, if some of you are aware, some may not be aware, is two sessions ago, I believe it was the State Legislature that removed the requirement that stated that any residential building over 50 years or older is a historic structure. In removing that provision they also stated there's a necessity to actually recognize historic districts. So a couple hundred thousand dollars were made available for SHPD to do a Historic Districting Program which they came to Kauai and worked with some members of this Commission. That was done about a year ago, Commissioner? About a year ago. That is up in the air and I can reach out to Kaiwi folks to see where that stands, I am not sure exactly where that does stand. To my knowledge it has not gone through the State Historic Preservation Commission review and acceptance of it, yet. Mr. Long: Thank you. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you. So let's move on to unfinished business agenda item H. I'm sorry to new business agenda item I.1. Kapaia Swinging Bridge Rebuild. NEW BUSINESS 1. Kapaia Swinging Bridge Rebuild Tax Map Keys: 3-7-004:009 and 37-001:001 Laukini Road, Kapaia, Kauai Mr. Hull: I believe the applicant has representation here and they do have a presentation. Agor Jehn Architects, LLC Ron Agor: Aloha everybody. For the record my name is Ron Agor and I have Laraine Moriguchi who is the Director of the Kapaia Swinging Bridge Foundation. Basically, we're here to really just answer questions and I don't know if all of you have plans of the bridge. The bridge was built in the year I was born actually, 1948, and was rebuilt again in 1961. This is a condition of the originally built bridge (canvas picture provided). After it was built in 1961, instead of that classic cross bracing they had vertical pickets at 4 inches on center. This time around we're going to be...it was rebuilt like this (referring to glass picture frame provided)which has verticals and horizontals, but we're going back to this (referring to canvas picture). To make it conform we're going to do a, hopefully a wire in the back of the X bracing in a color where the wire will kind of disappear from view. That would conform to the safety requirement of not having pickets more than 4 inches apart so children can't fall through. So actually we completed the demolition last week and materials are being moved onto the site already. We've got partially paid and partially volunteer workers and we look forward to getting this done by next March. Any questions? September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 4 of 28 Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you for bringing those pictures, they're very helpful. Are there any questions from any of the Commissioners? Mr. Guerber: Has this bridge been used recently or has it been condemned or what's the status? Mr. Agor: It has been decommissioned, almost... Ms. Moriguchi: 2006. Mr. Agor: In 2006. Mr. Guerber: So it hasn't been used since 2006. Mr. Ate: For safety reasons. It was falling apart. Mr. Guerber: That's what I thought. It's a beautiful bridge. Is it on private land? Mr. Agor: Yes, it's on Grove Farm land. Mr. Guerber: Grove Farm. Mr. A or: Yes. Mr. Guerber: But it's used by the public. Mr. Agor: Yes. Vice -Chair Nakea: Commissioner Ida. Mr. Ida: Where's this construction? Where is it being staged from? Mr. Agor: I don't know if you're familiar with the bridge, as you approach the bridge there's a flat area on the left hand side. We're doing it right there. Vice -Chair Nakea: Anymore questions? Mr. Hull: I have one question Chair. Ron do you guys have, or do you plan on setting up public access easements between the public thoroughfares to the bridge area? Because at least, as I understood it there wasn't, there aren't any public easements or pedestrian easements to access the bridge at this time. Or are there? Ms. Moriguchi: Not at this time, but we're going to work on it after the bridge is done and that's the next step, for public access. Ms. Schneider: And the easements would be from Grove Farm? September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 5 of 28 Mr. Hull: Grove Farm owns all the property around it? Ms. Moriguchi: No, there's several owners. We've already talked to them and the owners would like to... Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi-Sayegusa: Sorry, could you just talk into the mic. Ms. Moriguchi: So the owners would like to give access, but we have to go through the process. Once the bridge is done, we'll work actively on that. Ms. Schneider: (inaudible) for the easements. Mr. Hull: For the public access easements there wouldn't be any anticipated impacts unless they're looking at specific potential improvements to those, like capital improvements. There's a possibility but if it's just access easements we wouldn't anticipate that having any impacts. Mr. Agor: For now the foundation got ... what do you call that grant of easement? Ms. Moriguchi: Right of entry. Mr. Agor: Right of entry for the bridge, so we can start construction. Vice -Chair Nakea: Right now we receive, we move to receive the report? Mr. Hull: Well you would ask for a motion. Vice -Chair Nakea: Okay. Mr. Hull: Then if they have no further discussion then it's at the Commissioners' discretion. Mr. Agor: I'd like to make a note. I got a call this morning from SHPD and they said they're just going to depend on your letter. Mr. Hull: Okay, I guess the other question, if you don't mind Madame Chair. Ron, the pictures you're showing and with the proposals, could you possibly go over any departures on the proposed drawings that are from the original context of the pictures you were showing? Mr. Agor: We intend to build it exactly like that. Mr. Hull: Okay, that's all I have. Vice -Chair Nakea: Would any of the Commissioners like to present a motion? Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we accept the proposal. Do we need to approve it? Vice -Chair Nakea: Are we approving or are we receiving? September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 6 of 28 Mr. Hull: You can have a motion to approve, a motion to receive, either one could be appropriate depending upon... Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we approve. Mr. Guerber: I'll second that. Vice -Chair Nakea: Discussion? (None) Can we get a vote? All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Anyone opposed? (None) The motion passes. Motion carried 5:0. 2. Gulick Rowell Mission House 9567 Huakai Road, TMK: 1-2-06:34, Waimea, Kauai Replacement of temporary shingle roof that was installed in 1994 with plywood barrier and metal roof. a. Letter (9/11/17) to Jim Ballantine from Alan S. Downer, PhD, Administrator, State Historic Preservation Division. Vice -Chair Nakea: We shall move on to new business agenda item I.2. Gulick Rowell Mission House. Mr. Jim Ballantine: I am Jim Ballantine for the record. Ms. Fennv Ballantine: I am Fenny Ballantine. Mr. Ballantine: My daughter. So we're very excited to let you know about the project that we're working on. It's been about a year and half since I purchased the property and as you can imagine there's an enormous amount of assessment that needs to be done. The house was originally built in 1829 making it the oldest structure on Kauai of its type. In 1849 it was expanded to be the size that it is by George Rowell, who's the same man who built the Waioli Mission House and the Stone Church in Waimea. He's also responsible for the Hawaiian Church in Waimea. After that the house passed into the hands of my great grandfather H.P. Faye when he purchased it as part of the Waimea Sugar holdings. Its remained, became property of Kikiaola Land Company in 1959 and then I purchased it a year and a half ago. Being a descendant I was kind of embarrassed that my family hadn't done anything to the house, it sat unoccupied since 2003. The hurricane did cause quite a bit of damage. One thing that happened was after the hurricane they had a very little bit of money and so they took the metal roof off and put shingles on the old original skip sheeting. Unfortunately they didn't treat the shingles, nothing was done and all of that became quite deteriorated. My most urgent mission for the last year has been trying to find somebody to put a new roof on the house. One reason the house is still standing is that it has coral bricks that are two feet thick, that is probably the reason why it's still there. Otherwise all the wood in the house is pretty badly deteriorated. I am working with Glenn Mason of Mason Architects and he's been quite helpful. We've determined that the appropriate timing for the house is 1927/1930 when a major renovation was done by the Waimea Sugar Company, to make housing for the plantation workers. At that time they added an September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 7 of 28 enormous amount of -there's a closet in every room; and bathrooms; and electric; and water was brought into the house. That's been the determination in figuring out what roof we were going to put on it. We decided to put a metal roof on it which was what was on there from 1927 basically until 1994, and we have to do it in a hurry. There was some urgency to it, so I did contact Kaiwi Yoon at SHPD and I do have a letter, I think you have it in front of you. But mainly I just want to make you aware of the process. We are in the process of making a preservation plan, working with quite a few different consultants and hopefully that will be done in the next 6 months or so. Then we will come back to you with something a little bit more elaborate, because it is a special project district they won't allow us to do anything until we have a ... they wouldn't give a permit for anything except for just this roof until we have the entire site worked out. As it is on one and half acres we have quite a bit of work to do to figure out what the other buildings are going to be and what the end use is going to be, and so there's still quite a bit up in the air. Vice -Chair Nakea: Anyone have questions at this time? Mr. Hull: Some background. The Gulick house and Mr. Ballantine, the Department is aware of the efforts he's been going through and we know that he intends to restore the house to its original integrity, which we fully support. He originally came to us a few months ago for the reroofing and we knew the problems he was having with the leakage. Sometimes in all honesty, the Department will make an assessment on its own if it finds that what's being proposed is in keeping with the historical integrity to save the building and you need to move now. We're giving somewhat of an approval but come and brief the KHPRC. The reason we couldn't do it in Mr. Ballantine's situation a few months ago is because this property, aside from just being historic under HRS, Hawaii Revised Statutes, it's actually on the State and National Registry. I commend him for being able to reach out to SHPD and get that letter for us because Kaiwi took a look at it and basically on the initial view of it, the original house had that shingle roof now. People may say, what are you doing putting (on) a metal roof? But in 1927 when the corrugated metal roof was put on, and subsequently in 1972 when it was nominated to go on the register; that's the roof it had on and that's the roof it was recognized for. We were able to get that letter from Kaiwi. Mr. Ballantine was able to get that letter and thankfully with that assessment... because there's a whole array of other things including Chapter 343 Environmental Assessment Review that can be triggered on these types of structures. Because SHPD found what they're doing would not negatively impact the historic integrity, they're saying go ahead and move forward. I can report to the Commission that I did give Mr. Ballantine the okay with just knowing that the potential for more damage that could be done with the leakage and the roof itself that we could move forward. (I) just want to thank him for being able to show up here and present his situation. Ms. Schneider: Do we need a motion? Mr. Hull: It still would be good to have an actual motion and action. Ms. Schneider: Motion to approve the current project as stated and then they'll come back to us at some later time? September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 8 of 28 Mr. Ballantine: I handed out a bunch of...did you see the pictures? The last page you'll see there's a workshop, I think, in the pictures. That's in the back of the property and we're planning on restoring that as well. George Rowell was an amazing carpenter and quite famous in the islands and he had the first laid on the island and built all these amazing houses. We think that having his workshop will be also a great thing. The idea is that the space is not going to be a very ... it's not going to be a formal museum, it's meant to be a dynamic community resource. It will be a space for a tool library, perhaps for people to come and work on projects. It will be a space for people to meet. It will be a space for art projects and theatre projects to happen particularly around the history around Waimea. Which is as you all know quite remarkable. Vice -Chair Nakea: So I think we had Commissioner Schneider move that we approve, or receive, approve the plans. May I get a second? Mr. Long: I'll second. Vice -Chair Nakea: Discussion? (None) All those in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) Motion passes, thank you very much. Motion carried 5:0. 3. HanapepE Road Resurfacing Project Federal -Aid Project No. STP-0545(002) TMK: (4) 1-8-08, (4) 1-9-03, (4) 1-9-04, (4) 1-9-05, (4) 1-9-11 County of Kauai, Department of Public Works National Historic Preservation Act, Section 106 Consultation. Vice -Chair Nakea: We will move on to new business, agenda item I.3. Hanapepe Road Resurfacing Project. Mr. Hull: Madame Chair, I just sent a text message to the Engineering Division Chief. If we could possibly table this particular agenda item, he should be here in 5 minutes. We could move on to the Hanapepe Road Bridge nomination project. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: I hate to get too technical but we do need a motion to table this item to be at the end of the agenda. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we table the HanapepE Road Resurfacing Project. Vice -Chair Nakea: Can I get a second? Mr. Lonw, Second. Vice -Chair Nakea: Any discussion? (None) All those in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) We approve the motion to table agenda item for the Hanapepe Road Resurfacing Project to the end of the agenda. Motion carried 5:0. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 9 of 28 4. Hanapepe Road Bridge National Register of Historic Places Nomination. Vice -Chair Nakea: Is there anyone from the Hanapepe Road Bridge who would like to testify? Mr. Hull: You're on the bridge and all, right? Vice -Chair Nakea: Yes. Mr. Hull: Okay. Just a brief summary. The Hanapepe Road Bridge nomination is the Certified Local Government application that this body submitted to SHPD for review and processing. Ultimately the National Park Service approved the $2,000.00 grant to hire a consultant to apply and we have the nomination here before you. It's for your review and input if you'd like any amendments possibly made to it, or have any questions or concerns. I can state that the $2,000.00 wasn't quite enough to get the consultant to fly here from Oahu. Unfortunately, myself or Myles will bumble along and try to answer any questions you may have on it. They are on Oahu, they drafted this up in their scope of work and are ready to take it to the State Historic Preservation Review Commission, but it has to come to you first. It recognizes not only the years built, but the importance it had in Kaua`i's transportation, historical development as well as the architectural features and its place in Hanapepe Valley. That is here for you folks. If anyone wants to testify, now would be the time. Elsie Godbev: My name is Elsie Godbey. I was born and raised in Hanapepe but I don't live in Hanapepe anymore. I was just wondering, we have this book, the County has this book and it was done by Mason Architects. Ms. Hi cu hi-Sayegusa: Excuse me can you double check if your microphone is turned on? Thank you. Ms. Godbev: This is a Hanapepe Town Economic revised Hawaii Station Program that we had, (referred to a book) the business and professional organization in Hanapepe main street program. We had this and we had hired Mason Architects to do a preliminary oversee of our town. But then we had Hurricane Iwa I think, or Iniki, I can't remember which one exactly. This project kind of got, you know forgotten, not forgotten, but we're all too busy anymore. But in it, it has what Mason Architects did on the 1911 bridge and I was wondering, can't that be a part of this whole study? I mean can't you use it? This cost $90,000.00 with FEMA money, really, and you better use it or I'll complain. Ms. Schneider: Does the County have a copy? Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: I'm sure if you're willing to share that, I am not sure if you.... Ms Godbev: Actually I got it from the County. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: You got it from the County? Okay, Ka`aina are you aware of this study that was done? September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 10 of 28 Mr. Hull: That study was probably used in the application, but the agenda, the specific agenda item Ma'am is on the actual nomination papers. So you have an actual form that nominates the bridge to the National State Registry and I know as discussions (inaudible), papers had been submitted back before but there were issues. SHPD had even more lacking resources back then and somehow that paperwork got lost in the mix. We were able to essentially apply for a Federal Grant that was awarded to us to procure a consultant to do the, quote unquote, professional nomination that we do. These guys have done nominations before. We do anticipate, if this body does approve it, moving before the State Historic Preservation Review Board and we do anticipate that the nomination will be accepted. Ms Godbev: On the bridge? Mr. Hull: On the bridge, correct. Ms. Schneider: So from us, what do we need to do? Ms Godbev: Thank you. Mr. Hull: I think there's one more person to testify. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you very much. Dorothy Hayashi: Dorothy Hayashi. Just for history, prior to the bridge becoming a 100 years old we applied, I think it was 2-3 years prior, we tried to get it onto the historic list. We really got, how should I say, we were just green horns, so we didn't realize, we thought it was on and it wasn't. We tried and apparently our attempts were not acceptable. You can imagine how many years we've been trying to get this bridge to be declared historical and so I thank you very much. I hope today you approve it so that we can go to the State and then the National level. Thank you very much for your positive votes. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you. Can I get a motion? Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we approve this project and thank the people of Hanapepe who put so much time and effort into trying to get this bridge on the agenda. Mr. Guerber: I second that motion. Vice -Chair Nakea: Okay. Discussion? (Seeing none) All those in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) The motion passes, thank you. Motion carried 5:0. 5. Kress Building TMK: 3-6-007:031, LYhu`e, Kauai Renovation and Repairs. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page l l of 28 Vice -Chair Nakea: Okay we will move on to agenda item I.S., Kress Building. (If) there's anyone here who would like to present, you can come on up now. Architect Avery Youn: Good afternoon Commissioners. My name is Avery Youn, I am the architect. Here with me is Nalani Mahelona with our office and also the owner's rep is here, Chris Adler. (The) owner of this property is Mark Cabai or Gabby; he just recently purchased it from the Salvation Army. I gave you some exhibits for you to look at and I have a short presentation to accompany it. This is the Kress Store Building, I am sure all of you are familiar with it. The first page shows a survey showing the property, showing the building and showing how close it is to the existing roadways. The lot size is 30,000 square feet. The building footprint is 22,464 square feet. There's approximately 20 parking stalls, these are diagonal stalls off of Kress Street. If you go by today's standards we need approximately 98 stalls. If we have a mix of restaurants and/or office or retail use it will come out close to that and we didn't even count employees yet. Located on the corner of Rice and Kress Street the building is considered nonconforming in two ways. First it doesn't meet the parking requirements, secondly the existing on -street diagonal stalls, it kind of overlaps into the Kress Street right-of-way, so it doesn't meet the Public Works' standards. There is also one setback issue which is on Hale Nani Street, in the back it doesn't have that minimum 5 foot setback, it has only a little more than 4 feet. Technically this is a nonconforming structure. The original building has a concrete floor, concrete columns, and exterior walls. The interior columns are made out of metal pipes, even though I believe if you go in today it shows it being boxed. The roof framing is out of steel beams that (inaudible) over Kress Street; however, it has wood rafters for framing. The south, east and west walls all had windows, some of them are still there, most of them are covered up, but if you look at the building you can see, there's some pictures in there, you can see where the windows were. On the Rice Street frontage there were originally... it had a glass window wall with two entrances and both entrances had rounded glass corners, initially. Currently the west entry has been removed and replaced with a glass store front and the east entry has been modified with the rounded glass corners removed and replaced with square glass corners instead. The Kress Street entry appeared to have originally been a service entry with a loading dock at the Hale Nani Street intersection and it still exists today. The building has two heights, the front portion is approximately 24 feet and (the) back portion is about 17 feet. It originally was built in 1938 as a five-and-dime store including restrooms and it had a diner style restaurant in the front portion of the building along (the) Kress and Rice Street corner. The original pictures show that it may have had a mezzanine in the middle of the building. It's currently used by the Salvation Army for retail and storage purposes but recently it was just sold and purchased by the third party. The current owner intends to renovate the building and bring it back to its' original splendor and I believe, if you look at the diagrams we showed you, we tried to give you some elevation and showing how it could be brought back with a different color scheme than what it is today. We also thought it would be important to stimulate the renewal of the Lihu`e Urban Town Core and implement the current Lihu`e Town Core Plan. What we're trying to do is develop and attract businesses that will rejuvenate this section of Lihhu`e and have people return to this area. The phase 1 concept, which is the one to be implemented, is shown on the exhibit that I gave you, it's the third colored page. It shows the proposed floor plan for the current building. The phase 1 concept brings back retail venues, a restaurant and artisans gallery. An option is to September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 12 of 28 propose a second phase, but the second phase would be a series of apartments on the second floor to bring people back to live in the area. To do the second floor we would have to go through the back part of the building and add a second floor. Density wise it qualifies for 14 additional studios. We did a conceptual plan that'll show approximately 14 studios or 1- bedroom units; however, this is only conceptual and we are not intending to promote or proceed with that at this time, mainly because parking will probably be a major issue. Also, because parking is an issue a series of bicycle stalls will be added, trying to meet some of the requirements of the Lihu`e Urban Town Core Plan. Overall, parking shortage, we believe, cannot be addressed by this project alone. It needs the assistance of the entire Urban Core Area, including the parking lot at the Convention Hall with the assistance of the County and including the cooperation of adjacent land owners. For example the Convention Hall area and agreements between property owners such as the Rice Street Shopping Center owner, if possible. If any kind of agreement could be worked out then additional parking could be accomplished by using both those areas. The rest of the commercial tenants in that area ... the buildings are all stacked up to the property lines. To get additional parking there to rejuvenate this area would probably be very difficult. It will be an effort in progress working with the existing land owners and with the County to somehow, in the future, get more parking to service this urban core part of Lihu`e. Whatever the outcome is though, at least this is a start and keeping in mind here that the goal is to rejuvenate the center of Lihu`e and create an economical and viable commercial retail office, restaurant in this town core center. The emphasis (is) in trying to restore or renovate this building and we'll probably replace the Rice Street facade. As I showed you on the fourth page, there's an existing elevation in the front on the top. There's a proposed Rice Street elevation in the middle and then there's two on the bottom. The one in the middle shows how the original building was with two curved glass entries and you see the window mullions are different, they're not even and that's so that the curved glass works. That's the only way it can work because you cannot get a curved glass, plus another 20 feet of glass, it just doesn't come like that. The bottom we gave two options; first the one on the left. The original building had ... well let's look at the one on the right first, the bottom right. The original building had louvers above the canopy and that is what that reflects. One option is to put the louvers back in there, but today with air conditioning and such we really didn't need louvers and if you look at one of the pictures in the last pages, you'll see that there were fans in there and we know that because there weren't air conditioners back in the 1930's and the louvers were needed for ventilation purposes. Today we don't really need it so we gave you another option on the left, it's to emphasize where the windows were but all we did was trim it out and because it's already blocked off, you can see, if you look closely at the building, that it was covered with plywood and there's some cracked seams, you can see where the window was. This would be an attempt to keep the windows covered but emphasize where it was before by just trimming it out. We have two options here to make the front facade a little more attractive. I need to speak a little about the curved entry glasses because in order to put the curves back we have to replace the entire front because of the size of the glass. It will not work with the glass that's there now. We'd have to remove those and put new glass. Today's glass is different from glass in those days, it has to be store front glass which is about ''/z inch thick and it has to be tempered or safety glass. It has a tremendous cost factor if we are to replace the curved windows on either side of the existing entries. The decorative panels that you see on there will be enhanced, right now it's all the same color. We can emphasize it and make it stand out a little more by using compatible colors, that's usually done in older buildings where you can emphasize the trims. In this case, the trims would be September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 13 of 28 emphasized with fluted vertical columns. The emblem that's there and also at the top where the roof is there is a, what you call, like a parapet, we're going to change the color up there just to emphasize the building fagade in the front. The uses purposed for this space, which is on page two I believe, as you can see is a proposed restaurant and it has banquet and exhibition facilities for private venue spaces in case people want to rent it out or use it for small gatherings. If the Convention Hall is too big, this is a smaller venue that can accommodate similar type uses. There's also an additional retail office space towards the back along Kress Street which is approximately 2,600 square feet and there's an individual, approximately 5-6 separate spaces, for individual entrepreneurs such as artisans. It is to create an artisan gallery in the back with a restaurant and office and retail space. Major design issues we face are meeting the current building and fire zoning requirements. The renovation will bring the building up to code in terms of plumbing, electric and fire and ADA access. We can meet all of those requirements. The provision of additional parking will be not be possible, we cannot meet that so we have to depend on the Lihu`e Urban Town Core Plan to see if they can get this project jump started using that plan. The colors we show here came out a little different once the computer printed it, it's a little different. As I said the emblem that's existing, the fluted columns, the window sections and the cornis at the top can be highlighted colors. The main color on the Kress Street side and on the front fagade will primarily be the same earth tones, sandy color that you see here. We probably will have to come back for color selection once we come in and apply for a building permit. So I am not sure if it's going to come back to you or the Planning Department is going to make that decision. Our intent here is to try to not deviate, but try to enhance the existing building and bring it back to its original splendor as you can see from some of the pictures you have in your hand out there. Hopefully, even though parking is an issue, in the long tern some kind of parking resolution can occur in this area and somehow we can rejuvenate this part of Lihu`e. That's my presentation. Do you have any questions? Ms. Schneider: I see that you have a whole bunch of art studios, did you think of any tie-in with the museum which is right up the block? Mr. Youn: Museum? Ms. Schneider: Yes, Kauai Museum, maybe they need an alternative space. Mr. Youn: That was never mentioned, but I will mention that to the owner. Does the museum need space? I thought there was a condition made to the museum. Ms. Schneider: Generally there is an exhibition space for artist and this would be a great tie-in if you could tie it together to the Kauai Museum. That's just my (inaudible) Mr. Youn: Does the museum have artifacts for sale? Ms. Schneider: It does have artwork for sale. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 14 of 28 Vice -Chair Nakea: This excites me beyond belief. I was little but I have very fond memories of the Kress building and to see it restored to its original splendor would be kind of fantastic. Mr. Youn: You must remember the pancakes. Vice -Chair Nakea: I don't, I just remember toys; big, tall shelves full of toys. Can I get a motion to receive this report? That's what we're doing at this time? Mr. Hull: Before you do that see if there's ... I believe Commissioner Long has a question. Before you even go into motions, I recommend that you open it up to the public for testimony. Mr. Long: Avery, with your intentions to restore the building to its original splendor, I perceive that the front entry elevation along Rice Street is critical and I would like to see the front elevation with the two entries be restored to their original design which would include the four curved glass corners and fenestration articulated above the canopy. Mr. Youn: You're saying, okay, include the four curved glass corners plus include those three panel louvers above the canopy? Mr. Long: I understand your comment about them originally being louvers and not being applicable to today's air conditioning but some fenestration that was similar to the pattern used in the original design, which might be awning windows or something like that. Mr. Youn: Okay, I just want to make it clear because they don't make those kind of louvers anyinore. So we could probably put the windows back but it won't be the exact same type of louvers. Those louvers are about that high, I think 6 inches maximum you can make now with the appropriate hardware. Mr. Long: I am not really clear on the specifications of windows that are available but my remark just stands that I would like to see the original design restored as close as possible with the curved glass corners in original fenestration. Above the canopy on the original design there were some windows, four windows in each bay above the canopy. Mr. Youn: Yes, that's why we brought this before you just to receive your input and if you notice today, it's not there. It's like the one in the middle if you look at page 3. But we brought this before you to show that on the bottom right corner that's how it originally was and we wanted your feedback to see if we should include it or not. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Long, what Avery is pointing out is that originally, and I commend them for showing that originally they did have it, but subsequent to that and how it currently is, the current owners and owners before that kind of filled those window spaces in. Essentially why they're here to take in your comments and input on what this Commission feels would be appropriate to do with those things, either fully fold them in or restore back to its original context, and Avery has pointed out there are some issues with restoring back to its original context. The comments that this body makes ultimately will not only be analyzed by the applicant as input but as we kind of talked about in reviewing their building permits, the September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 15 of 28 Department will be making an assessment off of your comments on which of the recommendations to hold as mandates. Mr. Long: I believe my statement was really clear, I don't need to repeat it. Mr. Youn: Can I ask a question? Would you compromise to fixed glass instead of louvers? Mr. Long: Personally yes, I would. I am merely expressing the fenestration rhythm of four windows of that size in each bay. I understand that they might be louvered or not louvered or maybe fixed with today's mechanical requirements or not. Just some kind of fenestration above the canopy in each bay as per the original design. Mr. Youn: So it will look like the lower left elevation on page 3. Mr. Long: Yes, with the curved corners. Mr. Youn: On page 4. Mr. Long: On the middle elevation. Mr. Youn: Okay, thank you. Vice -Chair Nakea: Is there anyone from the public... Mr. Hull: I have one question, Madame Chair. Avery, when do you anticipate commencing construction or when do you anticipate submitting the building permit and subsequently then commencing construction? Mr. Youn: It will take a few months, maybe by the end of the year. The problem we'll have is meeting the other codes, the electrical, if you look in the ceiling, everything has to be changed. There will be a demolition permit process and while we're doing that we'll be going through the building permit process. I would say end of the year or early next year. Vice -Chair Nakea: Is there anyone from the public who would like to testify at this time? Can I get a motion to approve the plan? Mr. Hull: You can have a motion to approve, a motion to receive, or a motion to defer should additional information be requested. Sorry, Avery one last question. Did you folks submit to the State Historic Preservation Division for their review? Mr. Youn: This project? Mr. Hull: Yes. Mr. Youn: Not yet, but we can. We wanted to come here first. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 16 of 28 Mr. Long: As a matter of discussion, if the applicant were to submit to the State Historic Registration process then we would get their input in response to the plans as well and we wouldn't have to make a decision today as we firmly propose this. Well, I am ready to make a motion from my statement. So what's the applicant looking for? Mr. Hull: Well the applicant is ultimately looking for either an approval or at the very least a receipt by this body. If this body feels it wants to wait for State Historic Preservation Division, that's ultimately up to your discretion. Mr. Long: I'd like to make a motion that we accept the applicant's proposal, we've been given a number of different options here by the applicant, that we propose that the applicant restore the front elevation to its original design including the four glass curved corners at the two entries plus a four partake fenestration pattern in each bay above the canopy. I also would like to recommend to the applicant that they prepare an application for submission to SHPD to place the building on the State Historic Register. Mr. Guerber: I second that. Vice -Chair Nakea: Any discussion? (Seeing none) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) The motion passes. Motion carried 5:0. Mr. Youn: Thank you, but can I ask a question? On the State Historic Preservation Commission, okay with this application it's going to go through before that, right? Our application to the State Historic Preservation Commission Historic Preservation Division is for the purpose of putting it on the State Register? Mr. Long: Yes. Mr. Youn: Is that it? Mr. Long: That's a request, but not a requirement. Mr. Youn: Okay. Mr. Long: And that is a separate issue aside from the schedule of whatever else, other permits you're processing. It's just a separate comment. Mr. Youn: Yes, because I know how long that takes and I didn't want it to hold up the process. Mr. Long: You don't want that. It's a separate issue. Mr. Hull: Yes, so Avery, as this Commission has functioned in the past it often is just advisory remarks made to the applicant as they proceed forward. As you may be aware in the past 6 months to a year, the Department and the Commission has shifted a bit in their roles in that when the Department reviews your building permit, we now actually take a look at the comments that were issued from this body and determine during building permit review whether or not to September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 17 of 28 further take them from recommendations to making them as conditions of approval. That, we can discuss after, but that you guys go through the building permit process. That's something you ultimately have to worry about, the Department, as you move through that process. Mr. Youn: Okay. Thank you very much. COMMISSION EDUCATION COMMITTEE 1. Kaua`i Modern! Presented by Historic Hawaii Foundation & Docomoco (sic) US Hawaii Chapter Vice -Chair Nakea: Okay, let's move on to agenda item J. Commission Education Committee. Item 1. The Kauai Modern! Presented by Historic Hawaii Foundation & Docomoco (sic) US Hawaii Chapter. Mr. Hull: Yes, what you were emailed from Shan (Jimenez) a little bit ago is kind of an exciting training opportunity for historic preservation, Commissioners or really anybody interested in historic preservation. The Historic Hawaii Foundation & Docomoco (sic) have partnered to do a Kauai Modern workshop looking at modern architecture features here on Kauai or Lihu`e. That is happening next week Friday from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. here in this room. They'll just do a workshop and training on modern architecture here on Kauai, perhaps in the State, I am not quite sure. The following day, Saturday, which is the 7th of October, I believe they will have an actual field trip where they will be looking at five examples of, Pat signaled to me, eight examples of modern architecture here in Lihu`e and that includes but not limited to the Lihu`e Library; The Convention Hall; The ILWU Building; I believe this building; the Uihu`e Plantation Building; and looking at them and the elements and architecture features they have and discussing how they're constructed, the architectural hands behind them, and so on and so forth. It's a great opportunity. I will be in D.C. doing a 106 Training on Friday but I'll be back on Saturday for the workshop and all of you are of course invited. In the email we asked you to get back to us by the close of business, by tomorrow I believe, so that Shan can register you. We'll cover your registration fees and what not. That's it in a nutshell. I believe Ms. Griffin wanted to speak on this and I am sure she can speak on this at much greater length and detail than I did so if you're willing to let Ms. Griffin speak, Madame Chair. Vice -Chair Nakea: I think so. Ms. Pat Griffin: Thanks, it's great to see you all. Pat Griffin for the record. Did you all vote on Stephen Long's motion for the Kress Building? Okay. I missed that one and I thought I would ask because it's such an interesting project as is this mid-century modern. Docomomo means documenting do; and conserving co; modern mo; movement mo. It is architects and planners and preservationists and we talk to people about historic buildings and they name the County building and the Kauai Museum, but a lot of these buildings are turning historic now. We are sitting in a historic building, in a building that was designed by the man who designed the Seattle Space Needle. The ILWU was designed by the man who designed the Arizona Memorial. The Library was designed by the man who spent 14 years as an Italian Fellow as a disciple of Frank Lloyd Wright. We've got in a three block area a really important collection of this era of September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 18 of 28 buildings, that are post war to post statehood period. I really hope you all will come. The entire group will be divided into smaller groups and guides will shepherd the groups to each of the sites where there will be an expert, a docent talking about them. Then we're going to go to Ha (Coffee Bar) and have beer and wine and pupus. I do hope you all will come to the tour on Saturday, we're starting here at the Civic Center. The Friday night panel, Andy Bushnell will be talking, is setting up the period post war/post statehood and the effects of that era on the life of Hawaii and Kauai. I'll be talking about what happened to Lihu`e, that it was just totally transformed and Don Hibbard will give you enough information to make you love this period of architecture too. Mr. Hull said it's free; all of it is free to you all and thanks to the Planning Department for putting it together. I might add that your colleague Jim Guerber, his business Kauai Beer Company is going to be providing the pupus and the beer for the after party. So we're going to have fun and you're going to meet some really interesting people and hopefully will come out with a real appreciation of this period of building. Mr. Guerber: I understand that you're the only member of this group on Kauai. i Ms. Griffin: Yes, I am not even a member of the group. I've just gotten drafted somehow. Mr. Guerber: But it's an international group. Ms. Griffin: It's an international group and you see it saying Docomomo US, that is the National Group -Hawaii Chapter. So yes it is. We haven't, as the world, really learned to appreciate yet, these building styles and the tremendous technology that occurred after the war. When we think about mid-century modern being like 1933 to 1970, with a particular emphasis on the baby boom era, 1945-1965, right through there, there was a lot (inaudible). There's going to be a 24 page booklet that moves beyond Lihu`e that Don Hibbard and I wrote, and David Francin photographed it, that will be available at the time too. It talks about the sacred sites, landscaping, public buildings, commercial buildings, and private buildings as well and so you'll be able to get that as well and it will be a collector's item. Any other questions? Well thank you so much, I hope to see you there. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you Pat. Mr. Hull: I don't know if any of you saw a few months ago in the Hawaiian Airlines magazine they actually did a showcase on how Preis designed the ILWU building. Which is a pretty amazing piece that was in the Hawaii Airlines (magazine) and they talked about not just him designing ILWU buildings, but when he was living here when Pearl Harbor was bombed. He was interned in a camp because he's from east Europe and he watched the smoke from the Arizona rising up. Little did he know several years later that he would be designing the actual memorial for that. It's a wonderful article if you have a chance, I'll try to print it out for you. If any of you want to attend just let Shan know and we'll get you registered. KAUA'I HISTORICAL RESOURCE INVENTORY UPDATE COMMITTEE 1. Update on the Permitted Interaction Group (PIG) for updating the Kauai Historic Resource Inventory. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 19 of 28 Vice -Chair Nakea: Okay let's move on to item K. Kaua`i Historic Resource Inventory Update Committee. Mr. Long: We completed our last site visit and review of historic properties on the consultants list. In Kalaheo last Friday, we took a look at 19 properties; 9 were recommended be kept on the list, 5 were recommended to be removed from the list and 5 required more research. We have one final meeting with Myles (Hironaka) that we'll conduct before our next monthly meeting to review all of the properties that required more research, and to give you a final summary and conclusion of our work at that time. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you Commissioner Long. Are there any questions? HISTORIC PRESERVATION PUBLICITY COMMITTEE Vice -Chair Nakea: Agenda item L. Historic Preservation Publicity Committee. Mr. Hull: There are technically no other agenda items from L. to N. but I believe we have to go back to the resurfacing project. Mr. Moule is in the audience. NEW BUSINESS 3. Hanapepe Road Resurfacing Project Federal -Aid Project No. STP-0545(002) TMK: (4) 1-8-08, (4) 1-9-03, (4) 1-9-04, (4) 1-9-05, (4) 1-9-11 County of Kauai, Department of Public Works National Historic Preservation Act, Section 106 Consultation. Vice -Chair Nakea: Mr. Moule would you care to step up to the mic? Yes, and so we are now on agenda item I.3. Hanapepe Road Resurfacing Project. Chief of Engineering Mr. Michael Moule: Michael Moule for the record. Members of the Commission, thank you for having me today. Sorry I wasn't here earlier when this came up, it's been a busy week. I was just going to briefly explain the project, the history of it, and I think you have drawings that show roughly the layout of the project. I'll go through that if need be as well. Just a brief summary, this is a Federal Aid construction project and it originally started as a resurfacing project, just to resurface the existing pavement of the road. It's been many years since it was first programed about 4-5 years ago, but we sort of re-scoped it after the fact to apply the County's complete streets resolution to try and make sure that whatever resurfacing is done improves conditions for walking and bicycling along the roadway. Based on that we had a design charrette in August 2014 with the public and the public effectively came up with the design that we have today. The charrette was an intense series of meetings over the course of part of a week and their ideas came out and we based our really rough sketch at the time on their design ideas. Since that time we've had the consultant do surveys and take their concepts and lay them out in a little more detail, and adjust as needed as we understood the full constraints of September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 20 of 28 the surveys and the property lines and all those things. So briefly, the design includes resurfacing all the existing pavement of Hanapepe Road, pretty much from the beginning to end, from highway to highway. Hanapepe Road is, I believe the old highway, it was the old belt road, originally. Maybe they never called it the highway at the time but it was the original road to the West Side and the bridge there was the original bridge across the Hanapepe River as I understand it, built in 1911. They will resurface the entire surface of the road, not including the bridge. It does not include the work on the Hanapepe Bridge, that's being done as a separate project. The concept that came out of the public meetings that is now shown in front of you there includes walkways, not traditional sidewalks that you might see on other streets. What they really wanted to see was sidewalks that were flush with the pavement, trying to minimize the change in character of the street I think was the idea behind that. No designated bike lanes, there really wasn't room for that and the traffic volume and speed were pretty low, so the idea was in the core area on the east side of the river that bicycles would share the road with the motorists. They can choose to ride on the walkways as well; it is legal in most areas. West of the river the walkways would be potentially shoulder, effectively paved shoulders that would be alongside the road without parking. East of the river there would be marked designated parking, sometimes perpendicular like there is out there today and sometimes parallel. The parking is generally shown, you can see the various sheets, and I can go into more detail if you like, is generally between the travel lanes and the walkway even though it's all flush. It won't be a raised sidewalk. How it's going to look as far as separation, as far as curb stops or something between the parking and the walkway is yet to be determined. There's some green areas shown on the drawing that may allow for some landscaping. It's not intended to be cut out and totally green at this point. It's really actually shown as, even though it's green it says pavement island on the drawing right, but it's areas that you can't park because it's too close to driveways, too close to the intersections or other areas you can't park. And, not needed necessarily for the walkways as well, it might be used for areas ... I think we have planters or other street furniture that could be placed in those areas, potentially. That would be dealt with and designed in the final design process. All the work is in the existing County right-of-way. We're not planning to touch any of the historic properties or other properties adjacent to the County road right-of-way. Right now we are in the process with the environmental permitting which is of course part of Section 106 which is why we're here consulting with you. Once the environmental permitting is done we will be executing a change order with our consultant to have them work towards final design of this project. And I should have looked this up, but I believe this project is funded not in this coming fiscal year now but fiscal year 2019 which means that construction would begin roughly March 2020, give or take. It could be earlier than that if we move faster with everything, getting it done, it could be almost a year earlier than that in fact, maybe in May or June 2019, possibly. I can go through the design in more detail if you want to walk page by page or if you just want to ask questions about the design or anything else, I am available for that. That's all I have to start and can answer any questions you have or walk you through if you'd like to see. I can talk about more detail on what's going on. Vice -Chair Nakea: Commissioners what would you like? Ms. Schneider: Is there anybody from Hanapepe that has anything? September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 21 of 28 Mr. Hull: Yes, I believe so Commissioner, but do you have any questions for Michael while he's up there. Vice -Chair Nakea: Or do you want him to walk us through the plans? Ms. Schneider: No, it's self-explanatory. Mr. Long: I have a question. You said that none of the work was going to be done on private property and I don't know Hanapepe that well. Is some of the front sidewalk a boardwalk? Wooden sidewalk? Mr. Moule: I don't believe any are wooden. They're all concrete sidewalks and for the most part the project doesn't touch those because most of those are in private property. There's at least one location that the plan is currently showing the walkway being built, couple locations, no only one location where the walkway is being built over that concrete walkway. How we're going to modify that we're not sure, we may have that go up to the existing walkway and construct it to be a little wider. That's right in front of sheet 7, in front of the property that's labeled Bright Side Gallery and Sheldon Gate Jewelry. Other than that the rest of the concrete walkways in front of some of the buildings are either fully within private property or we've otherwise figured the design to avoid interfering with those even if they are in the County right- of-way. That was one of the areas in the tightest spot, trying to fit things in and the critical area for parking because where some of the most lively business activity is today. Mr. Ida: These proposed pedestrian routes, you said it was going to be at the same grade as the road. Mr. Moule: That's correct. Mr. Ida: The route itself is going to be paved? Mr. Moule: Yes, so everything that's there will be some expansion of the paving from what's there today now. Some areas no, some areas this is already paved. There are certain areas where we will be paving additional width of the right-of-way, the existing right-of-way in order to accommodate the travel lanes and sidewalk in some parking areas. Mr. Long: What did the public prefer on differentiating the pedestrian walkway from the vehicular roadway, is it striping, or boxed? Mr. Moule: So that's something that we actually haven't fully determined yet and we do intend to go back to the public. One of the things that I think we want to figure out is we actually have some drawings that show where the rest is almost asphalt, but the walkways and concrete is flushed and an option where it's just asphalt with a line. I think for parking areas, especially perpendicular parking, we're probably going to need some sort of little stops no matter what, a curb or something to keep people from driving into the parking area. I don't recall exactly what was said at the charrette but I do know at this time, we haven't decided, so I am pretty sure that wasn't something that was specifically very clear from the charrette, otherwise we would have September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 22 of 28 decided right now, I think. Unfortunately I don't recall exactly the comments on that, it's been about 3 years. Vice -Chair Nakea: Shall we open up... Mr. Hull: I have one quick question, Madame Chair. Michael, I was President of the charrette for a brief time but not the whole time and we went through the same type of community process with the Lihu`e Town Core Rice Street area. Several of the historic businesses pointed out that historic structures, renovations to the structures, would do little to provide for retail or restaurant space given the interior access and asked for a bit more sidewalk to have that sidewalk vending ability. In looking at the proposals here almost all the sidewalks... everything west of the Hanapepe Bridge appears to be just a shoulder and just some improvements. On the other side of the bridge are actual sidewalk improvements, but it's only at 5 feet. Were there any businesses in particular with a historic structure that voiced that as a note of concern of possibly having a wider sidewalk in their frontage? Mr. Moule: I don't recall any specific discussion of that. The areas shown in green are areas where that sort of additional activity would serve business or outdoor dining or whatever that maybe could take place. Obviously it doesn't cover the entire project area but there are substantial areas that are sort of, currently restoring pavement islands, but we haven't defined exactly what it's going to be. They could be very similar to, at least in some areas, longer thinner ones could be where it is just a wider sidewalk area, effectively. Whereas others there sort of short and..... Ms. Schneider: (inaudible) Mr. Moule: Wide. Ms. Schneider: So they need the accommodation for the sidewalk usage for the art night. Mr. Moule: Yes, so that's important as well of course, the art night. Generally speaking, those areas could be used depending on the shape. The parking, it would be easy to convert some of the parking spaces to something else if that was desired by businesses. As we get into the follow-up public meetings, and honestly even in the future, like you could have on -street parking, that's one nice advantage of it all being flushed. It would be easy enough to say okay, this is not going to be parking, it's going to be an area for outdoor dining for this business, if there's enough parking elsewhere, so that should be possible. Mr. Long: In picking up what Ka`aina was talking about, the drawings have two different colors so you see these two areas as two distinct areas, but in reality if they were the same surface material, then you would see them as one. Mr. Moule: In fact the old version of the drawing, which I have here, it was all one color. We had to differentiate it just because it was called pedestrian sidewalk and it was really wide in some places. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 23 of 28 Mr. Long: Which is something that the County is encouraging to bring pedestrian life out onto the street. I don't know how you balance the need for parking, which is acute there, with bringing life onto the street, but the more sidewalk area that you provide in front of some of those establishments would be nice in bringing that life onto the street. Mr. Moule: Absolutely, and I think that's, again, the fortunate thing, is that it's pretty flexible as we go into the final design and in the future to choose a different trade off depending on what the community out there wants. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you very much. Is there anyone from the public who would like to come speak? Ms. Hayashi: Dorothy Hayashi from Hanapepe. I went to the initial ... I forgot what year it was and I know Kaido was there, the Mayor was there, and we had this big walk the town. I am not too concerned about the east side of the river because basically there are more businesses, but I am more concerned on our side which I don't think they gave us enough time to, how should I say it, express our opinions. We did follow up, we went to a whole week, was it a whole week of, and I am sorry I came up bummed out because I don't think the concerns that we had ... one of them, I don't know if it would be a part of the grant, but drainage on our side of the river is a huge concern and it was not addressed at the meeting. Mr. Long: What was that? Ms. Hayashi: The drainage. When we have these heavy rains. We've had already twice where you know that culvert, it couldn't take the capacity of the water so it just came into our area and literally flooded that side, which is the end of the road and that was a serious concern. Of course you know that Hanapepe Road south, it's a drop and those people got flooded and we thought that was a very important thing to address for our side. So I don't know if it would be part of the grant that would go in but I am just addressing it here now and this is the first time that we've seen this so we didn't realize what they came up with. Okay you can blame me that I didn't follow every meeting but we were not informed. I guess if we looked at the newspaper every day we would be aware, but I am sorry I am not one of those people that will look at it every day. I look at obits because that's something I have huge concern about but basically even where the Moi road came, that intersection, we had a short discussion but the consultants were only there like I think 5 minutes and then they came up with a remedy. But it's not what ... they kind of changed it to what we were kind of concerned about. We would like to look over this more carefully and these meetings, I am just going to say it out loud. The local people do not come out to the meetings, so you have to, so I have to take this now to the coffee ... to McDonalds or to wherever and show them this and then they'll kind of give an opinion, and if they appear here that's fine but probably not. They just don't have, how shall I say, they don't have any trust anymore. I am sorry but I am just saying it as it is because they say they can't be heard, they are not heard. With that I would like to take this back and talk to the third generation, fourth generation and residences up in Hanapepe and like I said, for me, my concern is more on the western side. Of course if they look at the eastern and if they have concerns, then it's up to them to come forward. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 24 of 28 Mr. Long: I don't know if this is the time or appropriate, but that would be a question to direct towards the DPW (Department of Public Works) folks that are here. Ms. Schneider: Yes, the drainage concerns. Mr. Long: If I were aware of.. Mr. Hull: Let me interject quickly. While I can appreciate Ms. Hayashi's input and I think there is a nexus for it but this Commission doesn't want to automatically ask the Engineer if he can address the drainage concerns because I think it will have to be phrased in the context of drainage that could potentially impact the historic structures on the western side of the bridge and we would like to know if he has any input on the potential drainage impacts and mitigation thereof. Mr. Long: Excellent, thank you. Ms. Schneider: That was a great, can we have that as a motion. Mr. Hull: You can bring Michael back up and I think Michael's here to answer those questions. Vice -Chair Nakea: Is there further testimony from the public at this time? Thank you. Ms. Godbev: I remember the last meeting we had at Hanapepe with Public Works. It was when Lee Steinmetz just came on board and we had this meeting and went through all this road thing. On the eastern side of the Koloa Ahupuaa of Hanapepe Road, like Ms. Hayashi said, it's kind of already set, you can park forward. (There are) other places you can park parallel, which is fine with the historic town, (but) on our side, (it can be) more of a problem but not so much, if you think about Hanapepe as being historic and not having too (many) modern improvements. If you've been to, I can't think of the name, Williamsburg, the historical part of Williamsburg, the roads, the sidewalks, they're not paved and they're not cemented and there's grass and all that. I thought on our side we could still have, maybe instead of a cement sidewalk, you have percolating grass type of sidewalk. You can have parallel parking and if other properties... they have parking spaces so they can just park their cars by not going parallel and I think that's enough for our town. Anyway going back to this book "historically Hanapepe Streets lacked sidewalks, curbs and marked crossing areas. Today, except for two short segments of sidewalk near the east intersection of Hanapepe Road and the highway and the intersection of Hanapepe Road and Kona Road, there are no continuous paved walkways in the town. In most cases the pedestrian traffic is confined to the shoulder of the road. Many businesses along Hanapepe Road have concrete platforms running the length of the storefront. These vary in length, width and height as well as pattern and composition of the concrete. Currently parked cars often overhang these concrete platforms forcing pedestrians to walk on the roadway behind the cars. Recommended sidewalks, curbs and marked crossing areas are welcomed improvements but they should be carefully designed in historic districts so they do not appear as jarring modern intrusions. Special consideration must be given to match historic pavements in terms of patterns, colors and textures. Lacking existing historic examples to match for these elements, plain concrete is appropriate. Avoid pattern exposed aggregate or broom concrete finishes for September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 25 of 28 sidewalks, low key crosswalk markings should be used. This should be as mundane, simple and average as possible." And then they have something about drainage. "The County has identified an area where there are drainage problems just west of the intersection of West Hanapepe Road and Kazcmuali `i Highway. Culverts are under construction at this time to correct this problem." That's it, that's all. Vice -Chair Nakea: Thank you. Does anyone have questions? Mr. Moule, would you care to address the question about drainage as it relates to historic issues. Mr. Moule: Doing some work directing drainage is something we will do as part of the project. Anytime we increase the impervious surface of some areas and we are adding pavement we have to evaluate that to see how it changes the drainage. There are no areas where the project anticipates channelizing the drainage. For example curbs and sidewalks, you'd have water flowing on the curb and that changes the flow significantly. Given that the amount of drainage work would be less, given that we're not doing curbs that drainage would be much less than if we were doing curbs. There are existing inlets in some areas especially on the east side. On the west side there's not a whole lot of drainage in the area but we will need to look at how what we're changing affects the drainage as part of the project. I can't speak to more than that now because that's something that occurs on the final design as opposed to this point in the concept. Mr. Hull: I have a quick question. Michael, do you intend to still go back to hold community meetings? Mr. Moule: Yes, I think I mentioned that earlier, maybe not. We do intend to go back to the public. Before we move into the true final design effort, we plan to do that. I think the next public meetings are in the scope of work after the environmentals are done as we get the design consultants into their final phase. It will be the first thing we do as we go into the final design phase would be to have public meetings. When we do a charrette like this, once we get the public's concept, then we take that and do an engineer concept like we have now. We, generally speaking, take that back to the public at that time to say here's what changed from what you recommended at the design charrette because of the constraints of the site and those kinds of things. Constraints of the property and other constraints that are out there and then we would bring that information back to them at that time and say here's what changed, does this still work for you, and should we make even more adjustments before we do the final design. We haven't done that yet but we will do that before we go into the final design. Ms. Schneider: So they'll come back to us when they have the final design? Mr. Hull: No, back to the community. Mr. Moule: Yes, back to the community, not back to the Commission here. We can't go to final design ... we can't get funded for final design until we finish the environmental permit. We have to get this aspect done first at this point. Vice -Chair Nakea: So what we have before us then are the plans to resurface both on the east side and west side but some of the concerns, or what it sounds like to me is, you would prefer the September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 26 of 28 percolated grass I think you called it, not paved sidewalks is what I am understanding on the east. I am just trying to clarify what I am hearing and then what... how do we act going forward as a Commission? What are our options at this point? Mr. Hull: As it related to using, sorry I was out when the comment was made, I believe you're talking about like pervious crete? Mr. Moule: Yes, the comment was grass, permeable grass walkway which honestly would not meet the firm, stable, slip -resistant surface that ADA requires. It wouldn't be a walkway if we did that per the Americans Disability Act, unfortunately. We either would have to not do a walkway and just leave the pavement as is, or do what we effectively planned on the west side of the river with paved shoulders that could be walked on without sharing the road with vehicles, which is what it's like today or walking in the grass, or dirt, or gravel. Mr. Guerber: So I'd like to congratulate you guys because you're maintaining the historical look of the town and that's what the whole thing is about. That's what we're about, maintain not just the buildings but the look of the streets. I can picture normal curbs and sidewalks. It wouldn't be the same, it wouldn't be as nice. Maybe we shouldn't have sidewalks, maybe it should be just grass areas, just call it grass and let the ADA people go on the street or something. I think that's kind of the feeling I am getting from the community. Mr. Moule: I think that's something we definitely want to address as we go back to the public with this proposal. It's something that I've heard today and certainly we can address. I will say to congratulate the residence and business owners of Hanapdpd, not us, because they're the ones who told us not to put curbs and sidewalks. Mr. Guerber: You did respond, you're trying to respond. That's what's important, keep it up. Vice -Chair Nakea: Commissioner Long. Mr. Long: I move that we receive the proposal as is and ask that the Commission, that DPW come before the Commission again after they meet with the public and get their final comments to the design, before we provide our final input. Ms. Schneider: I second the motion. Vice -Chair Nakea: Any discussion? (Seeing none) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any opposed? (None) The motion passes, thank you. Motion carried 5:0. DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS (October 26, 2017) Mr. Hull: Madame Chair, we have no further items on the agenda. Before we adjourn, the next meeting is tentatively scheduled on October 26, 2017. Shan will be submitting an email calendar to you with dates that are essentially off limits. What we're trying to do is to try and poll the Commission members again. We have a couple of situations where Commissioners cannot make September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 27 of 28 certain dates and I know there was an issue with quorum at the last meeting. If you guys could get that, Shan should shoot it out sometime tomorrow or next week Monday, explaining just to mark on the calendar the days that you're just not available to meet and the days that you are available to meet essentially. That way we can try and cross tabulate everybody's calendar to perhaps find another tentative date because to be honest we are having some quorum issues in the upcoming future. Mr. Long: I have a question. Isn't it clear to all of the Commissioners when they volunteer for the position that our meeting is the last Thursday of every month? I don't know why we have to go through a process, a lengthy process to identify appropriate meeting times when we have an established meeting time and we all knew when it was when we volunteered to be a Commissioner. Mr. Hull: Yes, and to be honest Commissioner Long, the Department has been made aware, and I don't want to go into the individual circumstances, but the Department has been made aware that some Commissioners subsequent to being put on this Board and were making it on a regular basis, their calendars have changed. If it cannot be accommodated, it cannot be accommodated and ultimately those Commissioners have to discuss internally whether or not they're going to stay on the Commission, but the Department wanted to at least reach out to see if there's a way that the date can be possibly adjusted to make the accommodation. If it can't, it can't. Before we went down the road explaining to Commissioners perhaps you should step down from the body and that we could look out to see if there's a possibility of still keeping the body together. Mr. Long: Thank you for your efforts in being flexible in that way. Mr. Hull: For those of you that do intend on attending the Docomomo workshop, if you could let Shan know before you leave and she can get your names down. Thank you. ADJOURNMENT Vice -Chair Nakea: Meeting is adjourned. The meeting adjourned at 4:48 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, Sandra M. Muragin Commission Support Clerk ( X ) Approved as circulated. 11/16/17 ( ) Approved with amendments. See minutes of meeting. September 28, 2017 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 28 of 28