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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2018_0621_KHPRC_Minutes_ApprovedCOUNTY OF KAUA'I KAUA'I HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/213 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission (KHPRC) was held on June 21, 2018, in the Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B. The following Commissioners were present: Chair James Guerber (left 4: 27 p.m.), Vice -Chair Anne Schneider, Althea Arinaga, Lawrence Chaffin Jr. (arrived 3:10 p.m.), Gerald Ida and Deatri Nakea. The following Commissioner was excused: Commissioner Victoria Wichman. The following staff members were present: Planning Department: Myles Hironaka, Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Hull, Shanlee Jimenez, Alex Wong. Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi-Sayegusa. Office of Boards and Commissions Administrator Nicholas R. Courson. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. UnT.T. CALL Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Hull: Commissioner Arinaga. Mr. Arinaga: Present. Mr. Ilull: Commissioner Chaffin has called to say he's on his way. Commissioner Ida. Mr. Ida: Present. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Nakea. Ms. Nakea: Present. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Schneider. Ms. Schneider: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Wichman is excused. Chair Guerber. Chair Guerber: Here. Mr. Hull: You have a quorum, Chair. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Mr. Hull: The next agenda item is approval of the agenda. The Department would recommend that the agenda be amended so as to reflect Agenda Item I.1., Lihu`e Flooring & Drapery, be moved to the bottom of New Business. Other than that, we have no other recommended amendments. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we move Item I. to the bottom of the agenda. Ms. Arinaga: Second. Chair Guerber: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Opposed? (Hearing none) Motion carried 5:0. APPROVAL OF THE MAY 17, 2018 MINUTES Mr. Hull: The next agenda item, Chair, is Agenda Item D., approval of the May 17, 2018 minutes. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion (that) we approve the minutes of May 17th. Ms. Arinaga: I second the motion. Chair Guerber: Any discussion? (Hearing none) Any corrections? (Hearing none) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Motion carried 5:0. HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENT Mr. Hull: This next agenda item is Item E., Hearings and Public Comment. At this time, for the members of the audience, if there's any agenda item you'd like to testify on, now would be the time to testify on them or, as been generally reserved by the Chair, you can also testify after that agenda item has come up. So if anybody wants to testify now, this would be your time. Seeing none. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS Mr. Hull: There are no announcements. COMMUNICATIONS June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 2 of 24 Mr. Hull: No communications. UNFINISHED BUSINESS 1. Discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. Mr. Hull: So we move on to Agenda Item H., Unfinished Business, which is discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government (CLG). Concerning State Historic Preservation Division (SHPD) and our discussions with the Architectural Branch, we have had no further communications from them. However, we're pleased and excited to announce that SHPD has an Archeological Representative now stationed here on Kauai, and I'd like the individual to come up and maybe say a few words to you folks. David Buckley: So my name is David Buckley. I am the new SHPD Kauai Lead Archeologist and I will be on -island. Our office is currently in the DOT (Department of Transportation), Highway Division building. So I will try to make myself accommodating to anybody's request for informational inquiries that may be pertinent to SHPD. I am still fairly new, so if you have any words of advice or questions, feel free to ask and I can help as much as I can. Thank you. Any questions? Mr. Hull: David, maybe you could give the Commission some background on some of your training or educational experience. Mr. Buckley: Sure. I graduated. Right after I graduated undergrad at University of the Pacific in 2001... or 2005 sorry — I started working for a cultural research management firm in the Bay Area and I've been there preceding this job. I've been there with the same company for 13 years doing archeological field work, report writing, laboratory analysis, all facets of archeology and coordination relating to multiple State and Federal Projects. Now I am taking on this role and so I feel like it's a good step to be able to use my skills and help SHPD in the process of both State (Hawai`i Revised Statutes) 6E and Federal Section 106 Rules and Regulations relating to Historic Preservation. Mr. Hull: Thanks, David. At the last meeting, some of the Commissioners had some questions on the Certified Local Government Status as well. If you could give an update (on) some of the permitting processes going on with the (Department) or happened in the post -April 2018 floods that this island experienced. So the Department had been staffed, and I think some of you folks felt that tension with the Department being somewhat under-resourced because so much of our staff was sent out to deal with the immediate emergency response to that situation. Since that time, most of our staff has been brought back into the folds of their normal jobs. I can say that we have a few flood responses still going on. The placards (were) taken out of Wainiha and are issued at the Planning Department, as well as ... we have just begun processing the Emergency Ordinance Flood applications. What that essentially deals with is about a week and a half ago, Council passed an Emergency Ordinance June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 3 of 24 that provides for an expedited process for those homes or properties damaged in the flood to get immediate, or I should say, an exemption from having to go through the permitting process on the onset in trying to repair or reconstruct their damaged homes. If there are certain things, like non -conforming structures, if it is a historical structure, if it's in the shoreline setback area, there's an array of different things, but what's pertinent to this body is that if it is a historical structure as classified under (HRS) 6E, it cannot get the expedited process. The expedited process essentially... we have crews in the fields this week. Currently they're in Hanalei in which homeowners or property owners come to apply for an expedited process; they take the application, they immediately go to their properties to take photos to ensure that it was a site damaged by the flood, they send that back to the office and within two ... well we're required by three but the protocol is by two days, the Planning Department contacts that property owner to inform them if they have an expedited process approval. If they do, that means they can start construction and repairs without permits, per se. It's with the understanding that within 30 days they will ultimately come to the Planning Department, as well as the Building Division, to get actual permits, but they can start the construction or repair without those permits in play. They still will be held to Zoning Standards and Building Standards, so they need to have a licensed contractor doing that, of course, to ensure that the building safety is still there. But it's a way just to expedite them through the permitting process. But if it is under, again, (HRS) 6E, and is recognized as historical, there is no way around. They essentially have to come through the permitting process. Ms. Schneider: So this is like the OEP thing that we did after (Hurricane) `Iniki. Mr. Hull: To a certain degree. At the same time, after OEP was done after Hurricane `Iniki, there were a fair amount of waivers. There's still some standards, like if you're in the floodways or if you're near coastal areas that has the inundation zone that is prone to waters damaging or encroaching on structures, you can't rebuild those structures; you have to meet the new standards. So I don't want to say it's exactly like the OEP process because the OEP process after (Hurricane) `Iniki just let everybody rebuild exactly what they had before. Ms. Schneider: What was existing. Mr. Hull: And with this Emergency Ordinance, (there's) recognition to say there was a monumental flood that affected homes and we should not necessarily be letting them build exactly where they were should we experience this flooding activity again. Any other questions on the emergency permitting process or what the Department has been doing post -flood? Okay, I just need a motion to receive. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion (that) we receive the information. Ms. Arinaga: I second it. Chair Guerber: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Motion carried 5:0. Mr. Hull: The next agenda item is Agenda Item I., New Business. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 4 of 24 NEW BUSINESS 2. Malama Hule`ia — `Alekoko "Menehune" Fishpond TMK: 3-2-001-001, Lihu`e, Kauai Proposed conservation project for removal of invasive mangrove in the historic fishpond. a. Director's Report pertaining to this matter. Chair Guerber: I must recognize that Mr. Chaffin has arrived. Mr. Hull: So noted. Thank you, Chair. Historic Planner Alex Wong: Aloha mai kakou. Alex Wong for the record. Mr. Wong read the Director's Report dated April 19, 2018, for the record. (Document on file) Chair Guerber: Do I have any discussion? Any questions? Would the applicant like to come forward? Executive Director of Hui Malama Hule`ia Sara Bowen: Sara Bowen, for the record, Malama Hule`ia. I did put together a little PowerPoint presentation for you folks. I really wasn't exactly sure of what to expect or how to prepare for this, so I put some images and just a little bit of who we are and what we're doing. Are you interested in that? The report from the Planning Department was thorough, too. And then, along with me, a few of my board members, and then also Paleki Flores, who is our Field Operations Manager. (Start of PowerPoint Presentation) So Malama Hule`ia is a non-profit organization. We've just recently gone through a strategic planning session and refined our vision and mission. I can go ahead and read it for you, "Our vision is a free flowing, healthy and productive Hule `ia ecosystem perpetuating community pride." Our mission, "Malama Hule `ia advocates, educates and leads community efforts to remove red mangrove along the Hule `ia river, re-establishes native wetland ecosystems and creates an environmental stewardship program honoring Hawaiian values." We had a demonstration project starting back in 2012. Our organization was formed by a group of canoe paddlers from Kaiola Canoe Club. They formed together with some folks from the Nawiliwili Bay Watershed Council and came up with a plan to work with the community to remove the mangrove right there at Niumalu Beach Park. They were successful in getting a couple of different grants from the Hawaii Community Foundation and NOAA (National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration) Funds for Community Restoration. Those areas that I have highlighted on that Google map there show the areas of mangrove that have been removed; that's reaching nearly four acres now. This is a picture from the bridge that crosses Puali Stream just as you're approaching Niumalu Beach Park. The first picture shows the thick mangrove and then the second picture shows the mangrove removed. If the picture was blown up, you would June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 5 of 24 see that was impart progress; the wetland area there has been restored even more so now with a lot of native vegetation. That's a list of Board of Directors. We have a really strong group of community advocates and leaders working with us. I think that's why we've had a lot of success up-to—date, and goes to show that we will be able to be successful up into the future. This is the staff and me, the Executive Director, (and) Paleki, our Community Development and Field Operations Manager. We're really lucky to have Paleki. He just recently came home to Kauai (after) having been on Oahu for the last nine or so years working at He`eia Fishpond as their lead mangrove removal and fishpond restoration person, and so he has a lot of hands-on experience that we're really grateful for. The property is owned by Okada Trucking Company. According to an archeological report that I recently got my hands on, (it) shows that Paul P. Kanoa purchased the lands in Hule`ia Valley in 1883, at which time it was mostly Chinese rice farmers in the valley. And then the Kanoa Estate owned that property, where the Fishpond is, until Okada Trucking Company bought it sometime in the 1980s. I haven't actually figured out exactly when that purchase was in the records; I know it's somewhere in all the records. But that's one thing that's been interesting, is we try to kind of recreate the history of the place. You know, part of what we think is important is working with the community because a lot of the work that we're going to be doing is going to be relying on volunteers, like at our demonstration site. We want to make sure that we have a reciprocal relationship; that we're not just taking work, but that we're also giving back in terms of telling the story, and connecting the people with the place and the history of the place. So here's a couple of pictures. The photo on the left is from 1900 and then the photo on the right is a drone shot that we took in 2017. So you can see just how much of the river has been overtaken with mangrove and that the Fishpond has closed in significantly. The next few slides are pictures that I just grabbed, kind of, screenshots, so they are not the best quality but they came from that archeological report that I mentioned. So this is the early 1890s. You can see in the lower portion of the Fishpond wall that there was a break in the wall. Then here it is (in) that 1900 photo again, where you can tell that it's in full operation. This is, again, a 1900 photo view of the watershed. You can see along that coastline is now where the Niumalu Beach Park is, where it was a white sandy beach at one point in time. It's interesting. I don't know if you guys have been to Niumalu Beach Park in the last couple of years, but we have kind of made the pavilion in there a little bit of a community learning hub where we bring groups, educational groups and volunteers to show historic photos. So there's a mural of historic photos up on the outside of the pavilion and then there's also a mosaic mural of the moon phases, which is pretty interesting for us to be able to talk about with groups. Then this picture is showing two different views; the 1969 one was documented as that. The other one, down on the right-hand side, I grabbed from the internet and it didn't have a date, but just looking at the photo and the car in the photo, that's looking from the outlook, and I think it's sometime in the 1970s. Unknown speaker: There's a car... Ms. Bowen: Yes, it's hard to see, but if you look at that picture, there's a person leaning up against the car on the bottom right-hand side of that bottom photo. It's not the greatest lighting June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 6 of 24 for this. Now this is getting into our proposed project here and the overview shows the yellow line is the mangrove removal area; its 26 acres of mangrove to be removed. The red line area shows where we've identified hand -cutting and hand -clearing due to archeological sensitivity. If you look at that photo in comparison with this one, you can see where the Fishpond areas were probably in production. We think that it's important to preserve those areas, so we're going to be hand -clearing there. Then in the blue line and off to the right is the stock pile area. Project description is removal of 26 acres of mangrove surrounding `Alekoko Fishpond using a combination of hand -removal and mechanized mangrove removal techniques, (and) replanting with native wetland vegetation and stabilizing and repairing the rock wall as needed. The work plan information is hand -cutting along the wall and any other archeologically -sensitive areas discovered using skilled volunteers and then hauling biomass to the stock pile area. The mechanical mangrove removal area that would be (with) machines, like an excavator, with a long reach boom with a cutting device at the end that would cut at the root level. So we won't be doing ground disturbance; we'll be cutting and then grabbing that material and taking it to the stock pile area. And then once our stock pile has reached 350 tons, the Kauai Green Energy (sic) folks have agreed to come and haul the material to use as a fuel source for generating electricity. Then the proposed project area development — we will be bringing in a porta (portable) potty or two, or maybe even additional ones if we're expecting to have large groups of volunteers at any particular time, but those would be, you know, we'll kind of scale that based on need. The plant nursery area is really just going to be potting tables. Showers will be tied into the existing shacks and the shacks are shown down on the right, the side image there. Drying racks and then a portable storage container like a Matson or other trailer type container that can be moved off site when everything's wrapped up. Here's kind of our hand drawn plan. The arrows are showing where the existing shacks are, and then the planting potting tables will be kind of lying around the back side, (and) showers will be along the back side. Over to the left area — this is where we were thinking of putting the porta (portable) potties, they'll be (in the) shaded area. Then towards the lower part of that drawing is the back portion of the property and that's where we would put the storage container, and an easy -up tent for when we're hosting groups for them to be able to be in a shaded area, have lunch, and discuss the project. This is kind of a long, wordy slide talking about the permits. So I am not sure if you guys are familiar but there was, in the last several years, the IIo`ala Loko I`a Permit, which is otherwise known as the Loko I`a Streamline Permit. What it is, is a Programmatic Environmental Assessment and the passing of Act 230 where all of the regulatory agencies within the State have signed off on this Programmatic Assessment. So when we did our permit, we were able to do one permit to the OCCL (Office of Conservation and Coastal Lands) Office within the DLNR (Department of Land and Natural Resources) and they circulate our permit to receive comments, and each of the agencies have a 30-day period to respond; in your packets is that permit. So we've received the permit and then the agencies' comments are also attached to that. Excluded from that permit process is the Army Corp (of Engineers); their regulatory process is separate, and it has been determined by Army Corp (of Engineers) that our project does not need a permit. And then with the acceptance of Federal funding, we're now in the process of finalizing the regulatory components under ESA (Endangered Species Act) Section 7 and 106. These are all being done in-house by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service since we're receiving grant funding from them. Then the other permit that we're in the process of is the SMA (Special Management Area) June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 7 of 24 Permit. The hand -cutting and clearing portion of our project has been exempt, but the section of the project that is using machinery is going through the SMA Minor Permit process. As far as spending goes, we've had ... for this project specifically, not including our previous demonstration project work, we've had a couple of grants. (One) from the County of Kauai, Office of Economic Development to assist in doing on -the -ground assessment and planning for the project and also for the Archaeological Preclearing Survey and Strategy Plan. And (second), we have successfully been awarded a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Coastal Wetlands Restoration Grant in the amount of almost one million dollars. That's what we got for you. Do you have any questions or comments? Mr. Chaffin: I have a question on the removal of the mangrove. If you just cut it at the base, the roots will still be viable, you have to dig it out. Ms. Bowen: We found through our demonstration project that if we cut them low enough so that the tidal influence -- which is where they grow, is where the tide comes in and out — they don't grow back. The roots will stay in place and decay overtime. Mr. Chaffin: Because of the tidal water? Ms. Bowen: I believe so. These guys actually have more experience having done the cutting. came on board when they were all finished with all the hard work. Ms. Arinaga: Piggybacking on his question, have they researched that this is what's going to happen to the roots? Ms. Bowen: Yes. Ms. Arinaga: If it's only cut down... Ms. Bowen: Yes. Again, having done our demonstration project, we're ... let's see ... about five, six years into it, so we can see onsite for ourselves but there has also been research. I didn't mention that prior to doing this specific project planning. The organization did an action plan (and) it consulted with Sea Grant. Sea Grant went and did research for all of the various mangrove removal techniques and projects and kind of came up with different methodologies, and what to expect on the price per acre kind of research. Chair Guerber: So in summary, it's been five years since the demonstration project shows that the mangrove will not grow back from the roots. Ms. Bowen: Now, from the roots, that's another thing. From the roots, it will not grow back but what does happen is the propagules, the seedlings from all the other mangrove trees around, they will come in and stick themselves in the mud. So as part of our agreement with U.S. Fish and Wildlife to get the grant funding, is to do a long-term monitoring and maintenance, and that's where we're going to be recruiting volunteers continuously for, you know, ages to come. We've June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 8 of 24 agreed to, like, 20 years. That also is what we were able to use to get an agreement with the landowners, Okada Trucking Company. We have a 20-year lease agreement with them so that we can continue to do the work of the monitoring and maintenance. So that's going to be surveying and pulling the seedlings as they are found, as well as other weeds; we don't want to allow any other invasive (plants) to come in. Chair Guerber: Do you have any idea of how long those seeds are viable after they are sitting around? Ms. Bowen: Well, they really thrive well here. Once they fall, they pretty much (are) ready to grow. So one thing that's lucky about this project area is that we have the kind of separation from the rest of the river system with the rock wall. So you know it will be a little bit easier to manage and maintain that site than it would be if we were doing a project right along the river bank. And so you know in the future, our goal is to remove all of the mangrove from the Hule'ia River Watershed, and that will probably be a grander scale project after `Alekoko (Fishpond). Then we look to go to the National Wildlife Refuge, which is just upstream, and then in that case, do a large-scale project all along the corridors of the river so that we can get it all out and not have the seed source continuing to reseed the area. Chair Guerber: So once parent plants are gone, not throwing off seeds anymore, it'll be far easier to maintain. Ms. Bowen: Yes. Chair Guerber: I had a question about the shear; the long stick excavator with the shear at the end. Ms. Bowen: Yes. Chair Guerber: This is the thing that has two sections that holds the trees and then cuts it on the bottom and then pulls it out and puts it on a pile, right? Ms. Bowen: Yes, that's the one that we're looking at. Chair Guerber: How long is the long stick? Ms. Bowen: It's a 40-foot stick. That's what Earthworks Pacific has available on island. Chair Guerber: Is it long enough? Ms. Bowen: I think so, yes, because the area that we'll be working in we'll be able to maximize. Part of it will be trying to work within the low tide times and that sort of thing, and so there may be times when we have to have a crew on the ground physically out there cutting or hauling, too. But I think for the most part, the 40-foot boom will do the work. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 9 of 24 Chair Guerber: Okay. We're pretty narrow on this. Our thing is we just want to make sure that anything that's archeological won't be disturbed. That's pretty much it and if it's found, we need it to be reported as soon as possible. Ms. Bowen: Yes. So we have done our archeological preclearing survey, then we plan to ... well, for one, Paleki has a great eye for cultural artifacts and that sort of thing, so he'll be on site all the time, and then we will also be having an archeologist come on site occasionally to check the work we're doing, and if anything's found, it will be reported immediately. And avoided, of course. Chair Guerber: More discussion? Mr. Ida: The hand -cutting and clearing — that's all going to be done by volunteers? Ms. Bowen: That's the goal. I mean, I have a feeling ... no, actually that's not true. Six of eleven acres is identified for volunteers because we needed that much to come up with our match for the Federal Grant, for one. And for two, you know, it works out with the budget and then it also gives us enough work for community involvement; to keep the community excited and involved. But the bid that I have from Earthworks Pacific includes... they have it separated into mechanized and then ground work. I think their crew would also be doing chainsaw and hauling. Mr. Ida: Where are you in the 106 process? Ms. Bowen: We're just about finished with the 106 process and that's being done through the (U.S.) Fish and Wildlife Service Office. They're taking care of the federal side of the permitting because they're able to do that in-house. Mr. Ida: Okay. Mr. Hull: Quick procedural question, Chair. Sarah, if the U.S. Fish and Wildlife is doing your Section 106 process, are they going to be using this as the consultation with local parties or will they be doing it separately? Ms. Bowen: Honestly, I'm not sure what the answer is for that. I think they would probably include this but they may also look for additional comments. I know that they'll use our archeological inventory report as documentation. Mr. Hull: Okay. Chair Guerber: Okay, can I have a motion to do something here? Ms. Schneider: I make a motion we accept staff s recommendations in support of the project. Ms. Arinaga: Second. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 10 of 24 Chair Guerber: I have a motion and a second. Discussion on the motion? (Hearing none) All in favor say aye. (Unanimous voice vote) Opposed? (Hearing none) It's unanimous. Motion carried 6:0. Ms. Bowen: Mahalo. 3. Kilohana Plantation (Wilcox Homestead) TMK: 3-4-005-001, LYhu`e, Kauai Proposed construction of a living room lanai. a. Director's Report pertaining to this matter. Historic Planner Alex Wong: Aloha, Alex Wong here, again, for the record. Just so you know, right in front of my Director's Report in the agenda packet is the plans for this project and you should be able to pull it out. It's a tabloid size; yes, tabloid size. Mr. Wong read the Director's Report dated June 21, 2018, for the record. (Document on file) Mr. Wong: And as a final note, I'd like to also add to the record that I visited the property today and met with Mr. Fred Atkins. He did show me the location of the proposed project and he is actually here today to answer any questions and also give more details about the project. I'm also able to answer any questions based on my meeting with him today. Mahalo. Fred Atkins: My name is Fred Atkins. I am the General Partner for Kauai Kilohana Partners and before I get started on the actual application... how many of you Commissioners have been up to Kilohana or Gaylord's (Restaurant) in the last seven, eight years? Pretty much everyone, okay. Do you want any history about how we came to take-over from the Wilcox family or you just want to get to the meat of it? Okay, alright, well. Mr. Chaffin: Can you conclude by the end of the day? Mr. Atkins: Can I what? Mr. Chaffin: Can you conclude? Mr. Atkins: Yes, let me get right to the meat of it. I wrote the Commissioner, Chairperson... Ms. Schneider: We have a copy of it. Mr. Atkins: Yes, about the financial thing. That's the real reason we've decided that we really need to bring in additional income to support this, not just the main home, but we're responsible for the entire 36 acres, 5 homes, 2 guest cottages and a 16,000-square foot English manor home. It's a triple net lease. We have all expenses from taxes to restoration, everything, and the restaurant doesn't make enough money to contribute to any of that. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 1 l of 24 When we took it over, it was leased to a company (called) W.C. Developers up until about seven to eight years ago and we took it over. We've made some changes to try to stop the hemorrhaging, actually. We put a bar in the living room (that) added income, we put a gazebo that kind of made the courtyard (a) very usable space and it helped a lot financially, but we felt by adding onto the living room, as an extension with the patio, we could be much more versatile. Last night's a very typical example. We were the site for their monthly Chamber (of Commerce) meeting. They use different restaurants around the island and they thought they were going to have about 120-150 people and so we needed to close our restaurant to the public in order to accommodate it. They've been asking us for (a) couple years to host this party. If we would have had the lanai, we could've been able to function as Gaylord's Restaurant and not have to close it down, and also do these types of things that you need to do when you're part of the community or part of the business community. So this is not something we just kind of went (into a) quick process. We've been spending about two years analyzing what can we do? How big should it be? How would it fit in with the rest of the home? And so the gentleman that did the gazebo, Tim Bradley, is the one that we chose to do the architecture of the lanai. And I think these pictures are a little larger than the pictures I showed you. (I) can show you our reasoning where we placed it, how we placed it and I can start out... Ms. Schneider: So do you have pictures showing the addition on the building? Deputy County Attorney Jodi Higuchi-Sayeg isa: Sorry, could you talk into the mic (microphone) for recording purposes? Thanks. Mr. Atkins: So when you're driving into the property, this is basically what you see as you come through the old stone pillars and the addition in question would be right to this side of it. Ms. Schneider: You didn't bring a drawing showing the addition? Mr. Atkins: Yes, you have it in those plans, you have... Ms. Schneider: Right, but it only shows it sort of bumped up. It doesn't show the rest of the existing building. Mr. Atkins: Okay, but I do have pictures of where it's going to go. Ms. Schneider: Yes, but we'd like to see it in the illustration. Mr. Atkins: Well, it shows an illustration on the front page; you'll see a small illustration of it. Ms. Schneider: Right, but it doesn't show where it's attached. It doesn't... Mr. Atkins: Well, actually, it doesn't even do a good job of doing that. It shows you the style but it doesn't show you the location. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 12 of 24 Chair Guerber: Its how the whole thing will look at the end. That's what Anne's getting to. Ms. Schneider: Right, I mean you show us an elevation, but it only shows us the elevation of the addition. Mr. Atkins: It shows the elevation, right, and on the plan, if you're digging, there's a side view to show you exactly how it looks when you look at the side. Ms. Schneider: Right, the side view but not the front elevation where this is (inaudible). Mr. Atkins: That's true. Ms. Schneider: I'd like to see that before we make a decision. Mr. Atkins: So you want me to stop now or you want me to do... Ms. Schneider: No, just... Mr. Atkins: Okay. This peak right here, that's where the peak of the lanai (is) because it matches that peak exactly, okay. If you look at ... this is more of a side view, okay, when you look at the illustration on the front page that would place the building way up here. Ms. Schneider: Why did you not have your architect do a rendering to show how it would look? Mr. Atkins: You know it's a good question and I would have to ask the architect. You know we brought these plans (and) they've been through the entire County. Every department has OK'd it, except Planning, so far. So no one's asked us that. I think if they would've - since you've asked us that, we can do that for you. Ms. Schneider: It would definitely be more illustrative of how the mansion is going to look, particularly like you say he's done a lovely job on the rendition of the addition. But not being able to see how it's going to match with the rest of the building is very hard to... Mr. Atkins: Okay. Chair Guerber: Fred, is the new addition the same size as the peak there or larger? Mr. Atkins: No, it's a 28 by 47; that's the dimensions shown on the ... okay. So what that gives us is the ability to do is to have parties up to about 50 people. One of our challenges is we have a private dining room that holds about 30; we get a lot of, you know, whether its mainland or local families and they want to do 50 people or so. Then we have to give half the restaurant, you know, to the party and normally with parties there's more drinking going on. Then there is somebody just taking, you know, their own family or the two of them out to dinner and it really kind of affects the ambience of the dining inside the courtyard. So what we were trying to do is separate that and not have to turn that business away, okay. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 13 of 24 So anyway, these trees right here, the location would be behind that so when you drive in, you will see part of it, and you'll see that when we do a rendering for you. But it's really placed behind it, so you don't see much of it when you drive in. As far as aesthetics, it's very similar to the gazebo; that's why I asked if you had been there before and saw the gazebo. We matched the stone for the columns and we did the English Tudor hip on it and the same front, so again, like on that front picture, it's got the exact same V. So when you look at it ... the picture, I don't think, does the house real justice with the rest of the architecture in the area that we're going to put the...if you look at these other pictures, you got beautiful roof hips. This is a flat, almost like a flat roof... Chair Guerber: And you're coming off to the side there. Mr. Atkins: I am coming off the side, looking into the side. This is the lanai, this is the living room, and they have two alcoves which are brick and that would be the way you get to the lanai. So (it) would flow right from the living room. Nothing's in proportion. If you look at the chimney compared to the size of that wall, that was built to get over this area, okay. So our hip, when you're looking from the side long, looking into the main house, I think it will really enhance it because it will be in perspective to the chimney, okay. Now, what you're asking for is a view of the site. Ms. Schneider: Yes Mr. Atkins: Okay. Ms. Schneider: And a view of the mansion as it goes along. Mr. Atkins: The what? Ms. Schneider: Of the mansion and the whole... Chair Guerber: The whole thing. Mr. Atkins: Okay. So this is just a view if you were looking into the living room, looking out. That's one of the alcoves, and you know the fireplace is in the middle and the other one is down by wherever you put the bar so that kind of shows you the area. So I wasn't sure if we were going to even need to come before your Committee (sic) because we built it (and) we had 20 more years left. We've been there 31 years. We started with 25 years, then we got 10 years after the Hurricane `Iniki, and we got more years when we built the train. We added on the 67 acres, so I don't know if it's going to be in 20 years but if it is, the only thing you need to remove would be the gutters (because) it's freestanding. You can separate, tear it down, and (it) wouldn't hurt the fabric at all in any way, shape, or form. Now today, you know, he mentioned he came up — Alex. He commented on the two alcoves; they're brick and that's why I brought down the extra pictures today. You can see that the wrought iron has pushed the brick, and those pictures don't make it look as bad as it really is but June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 14 of 24 the brick has come off, and some of them are eaten away to where they're in really bad shape. So in our plan, he asked are you taking that out and (I said) yes, we would take the front part out in order to get from the living room to the lanai, okay. He recommended that I state that on the record and that we would take those pieces and put them up in the attic because if you ever decided that its going to not be a commercial venture and its going to go back to being a home or museum, a real museum like Grove Farm Homestead (sic), then they would have the exact ... you know, they would have it right there. When we renovated the kitchen, in order to make it a kitchen that was commercial, it had a lot of beautiful glass cabinets and everything all of those are stored upstairs. They've been stored there for 31 years now, just in case because we thought we had a 25-year lease. Its coming out now to about 50 years. So we could do that. Chair Guerber: Are these historical? Mr. Atkins: What's that? Chair Guerber: Is the railing or the brick, or is that... Mr. Atkins: The brick is going to remain. It's just that one railing that's basically corroded beyond repair, but we have the original blue prints, too, and it shows all the details. So when we did the gazebo on the back side of the courtyard, we tried to match the same look with the railing. That's why I asked if you've been there because it looks very similar with the brick because the first story is all brick, and it will be brick, and then have the tapered columns, okay. We went with the flat ceiling to mimic the ceiling that's in the living room now so you don't get that feeling when you're walking in, it's not an open beam, it would probably be perceived as more modern. And then there are stairs that go out to the patio because we have a beautiful lawn over there and we can do small receptions, again, away from the restaurant itself. They can move up to the deck for, you know, the dining or cocktails and hors d'oeuvres, whatever. So we're just going to catch-22, you know there's two types of ways to preserve historic homes and there's two of them owned by the Wilcox family. One is Grove Farm Homestead (sic) and that was put into a ... I guess it was a 401 C (401 C3) or whatever it is, a nonprofit, and they endowed it, where the endowment would take care, because they have similar ... like us, they have the main home and they have all those separate cottages that they still own and they maintain them. A lot of workers, you know, still live there; some of them for generations, for generations and generations. So they're able to restore and if you walk into Grove Farm (Sugar Plantation Museum), it's a pure museum; I mean it's nothing ... when she passed away, the next day nothing moved, right up to the cigarettes that are on her desk, and they're fortunate to have that. In order to restore and continue to do this home, it all comes from bottom line profit of any of the activities that we have there, and it's grown up over the years. You know, we started out with a horse and carriage, shops and a restaurant. Now we have a large luau, we have a train, we have a cultural park, we have a company store rum tasting, and they do generate revenue. Right now things are good; things have been good for five, six years. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 15 of 24 The restaurant ran into a lot of competition seven, eight, nine years ago when (The Shops at) Kukui`ula opened up. They got five restaurants just like ours. You don't need to leave Po`ipu, don't have to worry about drinking and driving, and its five minutes away. The restaurant has been (inaudible), you know, instead of making money, it's been losing money. If we could get that, you know, at least to break even and hopefully make some money, it would go a long way to try to continually keep it restored. When we took it over in 1985, that home hadn't been lived in (for) eight or nine years; it was falling apart. On the front lawn, horses were grazing and I looked at that project in 1980, and that was after `Hale Opio (Kaua`i Inc.) had been there, and it was really beat up. I went back in 1985 because Kauai Surf (Hotel) was sold to Chris Hemmeter and I was Resident Manager. I had a choice of staying there, you know, or staying on island because I would have to leave, (but) because my son was 11 months old, I stayed. But the home was ... (Hurricane) `Iniki... they put on a new roof and they put all new drywall, so it was something that I said okay, this is feasible. But if you look at my first picture that was done right after (Hurricane) `Iniki, that roof was beautiful, right, and thank God for insurance money. Its 25 years later... Chair Guerber: You've done a wonderful job and I understand that restaurants... the more seats you have, the better you're going to do. Where the seating is, I think the seating off the living room is a wonderful way to add more seating for yourself, for the restaurant. I think the only place that Alex's report and you differ is the separation difference from the main house. It's historical and this addition, which is not historical even though it looks close, it's really not historical piece of architecture. And he's asking for 10 feet separation and you're showing almost zero. Mr. Atkins: No, we show 8.6 (feet). Chair Guerber: So it's two more feet. Mr. Atkins: Right, but there's two ways of looking at it. One, you want it to look like it's never been there before, or do you want it to look like its always been there as much as you can and not interfere with the fabric. So it can always be moved away and you're not hurting the fabric of the property. Chair Guerber: What I see here, looking at it, it looks like there's one gutter separating it. Ms. Schneider: Yes, that's all. Mr. Atkins: No, it's a gutter that connects because you can't ... you see, when you walk out of the living room, you can't have water falling on people. Chair Guerber: No. Mr. Atkins: So there's got to be a gutter that connects it, so that water ... you know, we didn't do a total attach, which would have probably been easier from this drainage. Chair Guerber: But it wouldn't have been aesthetically pleasing. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 16 of 24 Mr. Atkins: I don't think it would have been and you could never separate it down the road without tearing the side of the roof off. Chair Guerber: Right, right. Mr. Atkins: So to us, from a historical perception, I was out, okay, we weren't going to do that. Chair Guerber: You're not going to touch the main building, you're going to add... Mr. Atkins: Except for the gutter. The things that we're doing to the building are ... the gutter can be unscrewed. The wrought iron that Alex pointed out today would need to be put back and it can be put back; in fact, it needs to come off anyway because it's at the point where it has become a liability. So those are two things and the rest of it you know ... well, 10 feet away, that's a code, unless they went and tried to get a variance. The biggest challenge here for me honestly is, it's the Environmental Assessment (EA), okay. I was afraid. I was told that it would cost around $70,000.00 and take about 9 months. Well, we can't afford $70,000.00, okay. We... Chair Guerber: What would trigger an Environmental Assessment? Mr. Hull: Just for clarification — so myself and Alex sat down with Mr. Atkins yesterday and we went over some of what Alex has ... his concerns with potential impacts to the historical integrity given the proposal, and the sizing, and the massing. As Mr. Atkins pointed out the way the plans would show, it wouldn't have the same effect as actually where they wanted to put it on the ground, which is why Alex went out there to kind of look and see where the size and structure would be. As explained to Mr. Atkins, Alex's report alludes to it as well, is that above and beyond the discussion of the context of the structure and its potential impacts on the integrity of this site under Hawaii Revised Statutes Section 343 and that's the also famous Environmental Assessment or Environmental Review Law, which, among other things, was brought to light by the Superferry, there are a series of triggers that require Environmental Assessments. One of those triggers is the use of a site that is on the National or State Register of Historic Places. So we're explaining to Mr. Atkins — if you're connecting, even just with a gutter to the site that is on the State Register, there's no question that that triggers an EA. An EA can be costly; it can range from $35,000.00 to $70,000.00 and take several months to go through. But it (inaudible) another question here, can I give you an exemption. There are some agencies that have an exemption list which this might qualify under. The Planning Department is not one of those agencies. We don't have an exemption list, so it just clearly states once you enter into that site, you've got to do that Environmental Assessment. I think what Mr. Atkins has done in the past and continues to do today at Kilohana is a testament to having the public, having the residents, and transients alike experience history and contextually feel it as they enter his premises, which is a wonderful thing and is a way to celebrate our historical environment. But there's just no way around this issue of the 343, so I think that's something he's wrestling with as well right now. Ms. Schneider: And would you be willing to come back with an elevation that actually shows the existing building and the new building? June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 17 of 24 Mr. Atkins: Yes, I said that right at the beginning. I have no problem. You know, we submitted these as building drawings. I didn't know we were going to need to go ... when I was told we needed to do this, I said fine. So I am here to learn what you guys say but also for you guys to understand where we're at. When we got in this process, I hired Boone Morrison to be the architect because he's the historical architect. When (Hurricane) `Iniki hit, that's when I hired him the first time to bring the house back and bring it back the way it should be, you know, and he did and he did a great job. He also helped me with the train project and couple other things that we had. And he asked me, do you want to go on the State Historic Register (sic) and do you want to go on the National (Register of Historic Places)? I have it in here. We applied for both. But when I saw the criteria for the National (Register of Historic Places), it really tied our hands so much (of) what we could do from a commercial venture and not from a Grove Farm Homestead (sic). I said no, we can't go that route, but I don't mind doing the State Historical (sic) because I'm totally about that, you know. I love preserving stuff. I don't know, (but) do you guys know where Iliahi is? The plantation manager's home on top of the hill? Well, I went up there and it hadn't been lived in for 10 years; it looked like a deja vu, maybe more. Steve Case — when he bought the land, he drove up, (and said) this is a dump, you can tear it down. I went, "really?" So I went to Grove Farm (Company, Inc.), I said look, (if) you let me live there and you give me the money, I'll help restore and bring it back to life. I lived there for seven years and it (was) really gratifying for me because when I left, they put a lot of money into it and its going to be there forever. It's something I like to do. But I am really wrestling with the fact that, you know ... I'm responsible for 160 people's pay check every two weeks, okay. I spell that out to you. We've never had anyone not hold up their check because we didn't (have funds to cover) but there's always the responsibility there. Eight days ago, our insurance company said you know what, your workers comp (compensation insurance) is going from $60,000.00 this year to $130,000.00. It went up 105% because we had two people file pretty large workers comp (claims) and one was totally bogus but we had no say in it. They paid $150,000.00 and now they jacked (it up). So when you get things like that and all of a sudden (its), wait a minute, Environmental statement (sic) for 1,200 square feet of dirt? No. I am not going to do it, you know. I am just not going to do it. I'll just get off the State Register. Chair Guerber: No, all it means is we can't have one unit touch another. Mr. Atkins: That's what I'm saying. So when it gets that technical and it's going to cost, you know, and then you got to be 10 feet away ... and I got this. It's to the point where, you know, I can't. I can't get any grants. I get nothing out of it for being on the State Register. I asked them plainly, well if I just take myself off the State Register, then I can attach the home? I can comply and I can go on my merry way and when we're done, I haven't done anything. You can take it off, I'm still going to ... and I'll put it on record right now — if I get off the (Hawai`i) Register (of Historic Places), I will still do everything that this Historical Commission (sic) would like me to do, except screwing in, you know, a gutter in-between. Because if I do that, then I have no 10- June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 18 of 24 foot setback. I'm still 8.6, okay, because its wall-to-wall, it's not roof -to -roof, and that's where I'm getting my 8.6. So I don't know which way to go. You know, I am looking for your input. I'm here today. I listened to one of the Commissioners' suggestions. If I come back and go this route with the Historical (sic), you know, be on the State Historic Register (sic), then I'd be more than happy to follow any rule I have to. I'm not going to make a decision whether it's financially feasible to just continue to do this or try to figure out another way to raise the money. You know, one of the things that I was told to do from (the late Kauai Mayor) Tony Kunimura when I asked for his help to get the Special Use (Permit), he said Fred, across the street in 25 years its going to be all commercial, no more sugar cane; and there was sugar cane from across the street down to Nawiliwili. I said you're kidding and he said no, I'll show you all the plans; it's all zoned Commercial. He said so what I want for my help from you, I want you to keep that seven acres green because (that will be) the only green belt on this side of the road until you leave the school. And so far, I've done a pretty good job. Chair Guerber: Sure, you've done a good job. Mr. Atkins: I respect the Commission. I think the Planning Department — they worked with me for 31 years, I don't have one complaint, you know. Sometimes we can agree to disagree but they, like yesterday, they were just so nice to me to try and understand, you know, why. Why? Just from a commercial stance, why? Why is it so hard? But they did and Alex took the time to come out today and walk through because I wanted to show him. And he had asked me to show you the railings and the square footage, okay. I will get you a rendering. Either way, if I decide to go off, I'll get you a rendering anyway, okay. Ms. Schneider: Well if you come back to the next meeting with a picture, we might be able to make a decision. Mr. Atkins: No, I understand and that's fine. I think I need to make a decision before I come back on whether I am going to stay on the State Historical (sic) or not; and that's not a decision for me, that's a request from me to Gaylord. He still owns the property; it's in a family trust. He'll talk to his family, his daughters that are in the trust, and they'll say yes, either take it off, or we don't want it taken off, right. I'm just the landlord. Ms. Schneider: I am sure Gaylord will keep it on. Chair Guerber: I really want to tell you that we're here to help you. We're not here to tell you, you can't do this. We're trying to figure it out together. Mr. Atkins: And I am trying. To me, I appreciate you listening because I learn from it. I don't have really any other testimony, you know, that's kind of where we are right now and I'll answer any more questions. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 19 of 24 Mr. Hull: In listening to the testimony — and (I am) just kind of thinking out loud and then (I) came across a thought when we were meeting with Mr. Atkins yesterday — ultimately, as a Certified Local Government, as the Planning Department, as the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission, we wouldn't want any property owner to remove their site from the State Register. It wouldn't be advantageous to the purpose of this body, but at the end of the day, it's up to the property owner. The one other route (is) Alex and I can work with SHPD, now (that) we have David (Buckley) here, perhaps we can use him to reach out to SHPD. The thing is SHPD as the purveyor of (HRS) 6E and on the State of Hawaii Historic Preservation Law, if they're able to come out with an assessment themselves to say this would not be considered a use of historical site and the proposal is not significant, then they'd be able to, perhaps, move through without the EA process. But that would be — I won't speak for SHPD — that would behoove them to answer that whether or not it is impactful... Ms. Schneider: (inaudible) Mr. Hull: At this point, SHPD has taken the position that they will only comment after this body comments; to which we are still awaiting comments on everything that this body has commented on in the past two years. Mr. Atkins: That gets scary, too, because... Mr. Hull: But the thing is, Mr. Atkins, you still would have to go through SHPD to remove it off of the (Hawai`i) Register (of Historic Places) because that would have to go through the process. I think we can at least help to try initiate and see if they would find the proposal in keeping with the integrity of the site and may not need an EA. But I can't guarantee that won't happen, but we can at least try and help to see if that agency might be able to facilitate it. Chair Guerber: Do I have a recommendation from the Commission? A motion? Ms. Schneider: Can I make a motion that you to come back next meeting with... Chair Guerber: A motion to receive? Mr. Hull: It would just be a motion to defer if on Commissioner Schneider's desire and if there is a second and majority vote to defer the item; that would be where to go. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion to receive and defer. Ms. Arina>?a: I'll second. Chair Guerber: Discussion first, please. Mr. Chaffin: I would like to make a comment on the addition in the living room to the bar. I think that ... I understand that's a financial incentive that makes money, but it certainly removes, in my mind, the historic value of that living room. You're caught between a rock and a hard spot; (do) you keep the character or do you add something to make it financially reasonable? June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 20 of 24 Mr. Atkins: Are you saying as today or as it used to be because there was never a bar in the living room. Mr. Chaffin: No, I know that. I like the living room as it was. I think adding the bar changed the character of that room immensely. Mr. Atkins: Absolutely. 100%. Mr. Chaffin: And I understand that's a financial decision. Mr. Atkins: Well, it wasn't only financial. For years you could sit in that room and watch people walk in. They walk in right to the door and they look at the room and they go wow, that's really beautiful. Sometimes they'll sit down and talk if you got a meeting or something. We put that bar in there and they enjoy it. This winter — as you know, we had a lot of rain — we had a fire almost every night and people, social media, they loved it. They loved us grinding the cane, you know, for our mai tai's and its fun; it came alive. It wasn't just like walking into the living room at Grove Farm Homestead (sic) (where) you got to take off your shoes. This is ... you know, yes, you can sit on the seat and you can enjoy yourself and you can feel comfortable. It's so different than Grove Farm (Sugar Plantation Museum) and I love Grove Farm (Sugar Plantation Museum). I've gone there many times. It's like walking back in time. But this is a commercial. You know, we went in, we didn't try to pull the wool over anyone eyes, we asked for (a) Special Use Commercial and it had a historic building there. And it's in better condition today than it was when we took over, even though it needs a roof, which will probably cost $200,000.00. It needs new oak flooring. We had new oak flooring 25 years ago; termites got in it. It's easier to replace old floors and that's probably $50,000.00 to $60,000.00. We're doing our part but at some point the monies got to come in. There's no, you know ... and right now we've been fortunate we've had six record years; people like it, people don't, but it's been pretty phenomenal for us. I call the luau the bank of Gaylord's because without the luau, honestly, we wouldn't have Gaylord's (Restaurant); it'd be done, it be closed. So we're trying to get to that point before ... you know, to have it generate up and I'd like to get to that point before the market turns because many times we thought we should just have beer, two people on the line, two waitresses, and have beer and hamburger and hotdogs, or whatever. We just... everything's gone up. Minimum wage, you know, I'm paying $10.00 per hour, $9.50. It's going to be $11.00, $12.00 for a waiter that walks out with $250.00 per night — it's crazy — plus fringes, plus workers comp (compensation insurance), plus if I get sued. You know, we didn't want to take the risk — let me put it that way. You know, 25 years and taking a percentage off the top and trying to run a restaurant when I am 66 years old, it's not a lot of fun. So anyway, that's not what the Commission probably needs to hear, but that's reality from our side. I appreciate you for deferring it instead of just saying no, and we'll get you a rendering. Whatever we do, we'll get you a rendering because you asked for it, and we'll just move on. Two weeks is (enough) time for me to give it some serious thought, talk to Gaylord, let him talk June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 21 of 24 to his children and try to ... if you don't mind, try to work with you guys a little closer and see if there is anything. Yes, you know, to make the gutter this wide instead of what it should be, you know, if that's what I got to do and if we decide, you know, maybe that's, you know... Chair Guerber: Maybe that's the solution. Mr. Atkins: Maybe that's the solution, you know. Chair Guerber: I'll stop and talk to you. Mr. Atkins: Thank you very much. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: Wait, we still have a motion and a second. Chair Guerber: Yes. Ms. Higuchi-Save usa: We did not vote for it. Chair Guerber: We have not voted yet. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: Thank you. Chair Guerber: Shall we vote? All in favor say aye, of the motion, please? (Unanimous voice vote) Opposed? (Hearing none) It's unanimous. Motion carried 6:0. Mr. Hull: Motion passes, Chair. 1. Lihu`e Flooring & Drapery (Kaua`i Beer Company) TMK: 3-6-009-034, L►hu`e, Kauai Proposed renovation includes construction of ground floor open court with second floor mezzanine, and demolition of existing fagade. a. Director's Report pertaining to this matter. Mr. Hull: Madame Vice Chair, if we could let the record reflect that Chair Guerber has stepped away from this proceeding and recused himself from this agenda item. Welcome back to the Chair seat. Vice Chair Schneider: Mr. Guerber has excused himself. Mr. Hull: We have a brief staff report compiled by Alex. Alex, if you wouldn't mind giving the Director's Report. Historic Planner Alex Wong: Aloha, Alex Wong, again, for the record. Again, photos pertaining to this Director's Report, they precede the actual report in this packet. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 22 of 24 Mr. Wong read the Director's Report dated June 21, 2018, for the record. (Document on file) Vice Chair Schneider: Is there anybody here to speak to this application for the applicant? Architect Andrew Lynch: Hi. I am Andrew Lynch. I'm an architect working for Palms Hawaii Architecture. I am working on the project and I'm available to answer any questions you might have. Vice Chair Schneider: Commissioners, any questions? Ms. Nakea: Seems kind of straightforward. Vice Chair Schneider: It does seem very straightforward — your recommendations. Ms. Nakea: I move that we support this plan and forward to develop the Kauai Beer Company. Ms. Arinaga: Second. Vice Chair Schneider: I have a second. Any discussion? Mr. Chaffin: Call for the question. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: I am sorry, is there a motion and a second on the floor right now? Vice Chair Sclmeider: Yes. Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: Okay. Vice Chair Schneider: No question? Ms. Higuchi-Sayegusa: If you have any other discussion? If that's what that means. Vice Chair Schneider: No. All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Any objections? (None) Motion carried 5:0. Mr. Hull: Motion passes, Madame Chair. Mr. Lynch: Thank you very much. Mr. Hull: That is the end of the agendized items, so... COMMISSION EDUCATION COMMITTEE KAUA'I HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORY UPDATE COMMITTEE June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 23 of 24 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PUBLICITY COMMITTEE HANAPEPE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT COMMITTEE SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS (July 19, 2018) ADJOURNMENT Vice Chair Schneider: And the next meeting is? Mr. Hull: Next scheduled meeting would be July 19th, which I will not be here, so more than likely Marie Williams will be clerking the Commission at that time. Vice Chair Schneider: You going somewhere? Mr. Hull: I am headed to Japan. Vice Chair Schneider: Oh, have a great vacation. Vice Chair Schneider adjourned the meeting at 4:36 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, Sandra M. Muragin 0� Commission Support Clerk ( X ) Approved as circulated. 07/19/18 ( ) Approved with amendments. See minutes of meeting. June 21, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 24 of 24