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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2018_0517_KHPRC_Minutes_ApprovedCOUNTY OF KAUA'I KAUA'I HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMISSION Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/213 MINUTES A regular meeting of the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission (KHPRC) was held on May 17, 2018, in the Mo'ikeha Building, Meeting Room 2A/2B. The following Commissioners were present: Chair James Guerber, Vice -Chair Anne Schneider, Lawrence Chaffin Jr., Gerald Ida, and Victoria Wichman. The following Commissioners were excused: Commissioner Althea Arinaga and Commissioner Deatri Nakea. The following staff members were present: Planning Department: Myles Hironaka (arrived 3:27 p.m.), Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Hull, Shanlee Jimenez, Alex Wong; Boards and Commissions Office Staff. Administrator Nicholas R. Courson, Commission Support Clerk Sandra Muragin. Prior to the meeting being called to order, Administrative Assistant to the County Clerk Eddie Topenio administered the Oath of Office to Commissioner Victoria Wichman serving a second term ending 12 /31120. CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 3:12 p.m. ROLL CALL Deputy Planning Director Ka`aina Bull: Roll call. Commissioner Arinaga is excused. Commissioner Chaffin. Mr. Chaffin: Present. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Ida. Mr. Ida: Present. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Schneider. Ms. Schneider: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Wichman. Ms. Wichman: Here. Mr. Hull: Commissioner Nakea is also excused. Chair Guerber. Chair Guerber: Here. Mr. Hull: You have a quorum, Chair. For the members of the public, sorry about the little issue. Essentially, Victoria Wichman, our Commissioner her term expired. She served for two years but we still had to swear her in. She had been reappointed, so officially we couldn't conduct business until that swearing in went on, so I apologize for that. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA Mr. Hull: The next agenda item is approval of the agenda. Ms. Wichman: I move to approve the agenda. Ms. Schneider: Second. Chair Guerber: Discussion? (Hearing none) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Opposed? (None) Motion carried 5:0. APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 15, 2018 i1TINUTES Mr. Hull: The next agenda item is approval of the February 15, 2018 minutes. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we approve the minutes. Chair Guerber: Can I have a second for that, please? Ms. Wichman: Second. Chair Guerber: Discussion? (Hearing none) All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Opposed? (None) Motion carried 5:0. Mr. Hull: Motion passes, Chair. HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENT Mr. Hull: This next agenda item is Item E., Hearings and Public Comment, in which individuals may orally testify on any of the agenda items. Are there any individuals that would like to testify at this time on any of the agenda items? Or you could also wait until the actual agenda item is specifically called to testify at that time. Seeing none, Chair. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 2 of 17 UNFINISHED BUSINESS 1. Discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government. Mr. Hull: This next agenda item is H., Unfinished Business, discussion on the status of the Certified Local Government (CLG). We have had no further updates from the State Historic Preservation Division concerning our CLG ranking. It is business as normal. One thing that has come up was the discussions of the meeting and KHPRC itself. We have had some issues again with making quorum as is obvious to most of you or all of you. So we'll be working with Boards and Commissions and our staff to recirculate a calendar for you folks to see if there's a better day to essentially hold these meetings. As you all are aware, this day, the third week, was adjusted from the fourth week of the month to accommodate some commissioners' calendars and schedules. It appears that we're still having some issues with that so... Chair Guerber: So we have three commissioners that couldn't make it today and that makes a quorum very difficult to form. Ms. Schneider: Two are teachers. Mr. Hull: So we'll see if we can find another date, perhaps. Other than that, we have no further discussion on the Certified Local Government. Any questions from the Commissioners on that? Mr. Chaffin: Excuse me, when a commissioner is appointed, shouldn't we review his or her ability to attend the meetings? Chair Guerber: Well the Commissioner certainly should review his own ability to attend the meetings and if he feels he really can't do at least half of them, maybe like two-thirds of them, he shouldn't accept. It really hurts the whole commission. I don't know if we have the ability or the permission to actually review it and say, we refuse. Do we? Mr. Hull: No, so the Commission doesn't appoint its members, with the exception... well you have one appointed member as a whole that you folks appoint. The other appointees come from the County Council or from the Mayor's Office, the Boards and Commissions folks. There are specific rules on commissioners' attendance. Nobody's violated that rule to warrant a removal from the Commission. And also, the Administration recognizes that this is a volunteer commission, so we're all very grateful for the time that you guys have committed to it and the sacrifice you all have made. We recognize it as a volunteer responsibility, but at the same time, we do need the commitment from commissioners as (a) whole that they'll be able to make the meetings so, like the Chair said, so that the Commission can carry on its business and duties. Chair Guerber: Yes, I am sorry. For some of you, we missed one meeting — at least --- because we didn't have quorum; couldn't help. Okay, new business. NEW BUSINESS May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 3 of 17 1. Rutgard Residence — 4380 Amaama Road TMK: 5-5-004:008, Hanalei Bay, Kauai Proposed nomination of the historic property to the National Register of Historic Places. a. Director's Report pertaining to this matter. Mr. Hull: On to new business. Next agenda item is I., New Business. Historic Planner Alex Wong: Aloha mai kakou. Alex Wong for the record. Mr. Wong read the Director's Report dated April 19, 2018, for the record. (Document on file) Mr. Hull: Just for clarification, the property is being proposed to be nominated to the Register under National Register Criteria C., the "Property embodies the distinctive characteristics of a type, period or method of construction or represents work of a master, or possesses high artistic values, or represents significant and distinguishable entity whose components lack individual distinction." And we refer you folks to the nomination description. We also have, I believe, the landowner here who wanted to speak to you folks as well. Chair Guerber: Please come up. Owner Linda Rutgard Good afternoon, Commissioners. Thank you for what you do, I appreciate it. My name is Linda Rutgard, and my husband and I purchased this home at 4380 Amaama Road in 1986 from Mackey Smith. Fish House No. 1 is located at the center of Hanalei Bay and it is historically, culturally and socially significant because of its connection to the local hukilau. During World War II, Hanalei Beach was strewn with rusted barb wire for protection. In 1945 after the barb wire was cleared, the Lihu`e Plantation Company built three summer homes for their managers. Fish House No. 1 is part of that historical context and it was a hukilau gathering place. Directly in front of the home, in front of the park, were two posts on the beach. The hukilau had many participants and there was a spotter who would watch for the fish. When the fish were spotted, the family and friends gathered. They had two 25 feet by 8 feet wooden boats that would go out parallel with the weighted nets. The strongest swimmers would connect the net, and they had winches on those posts and they would pull in the haul. It was a community event and everyone wore their biggest shirt because you got to take home however many fish you could put in your shirt. There was also fish kept for a community dinner and everybody participated. This house was a house where they would bring the nets and repair them, so it was a part of the tradition. Now, I would like to review the Secretary of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation that pertain to Fish House No. 1; built in 1945, a one-story, single wall, heartwood redwood framed and sided Hawaiian Plantation Style home. It has been maintained and preserved since I've been associated with the property. Since 1984 there've been two additions. One in 2002 where a raised and covered lanai was built over the existing lanai that was a concrete slab at grade. The second addition was done in 2003 when a half -bath was added. Special consideration was made to preserve the historical integrity of the home. The half -bath was placed between two existing windows, such that the original windows and frames are still visible. Also, at that time, a May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 4 of 17 laundry closet was added to the lanai and the original exterior siding was preserved and is visible from inside the closet. Now with the 2002 covered lanai, it's differentiated from the original home as the materials in the original home were 4 by 4 posts, and with the lanai built in 2002, it has 3-1/2 by 3-1/2 posts. The space is still used as it was originally a gathering place for friends and family. The home's historical context, architectural integrity and side aesthetics are significant to a time and a place, a way of life and traditions that connect us to our collective history. Does anyone have any questions? Chair Guerber: Is there a picture that shows where the bathroom was added between the windows? Ms. Rutgard: You know what, I didn't ... was that in the ... if you have, I don't ... yes. Chair Guerber: Is this it? Ms. Rutgard: That's it. Ms. Schneider: (inaudible) Mr. Hull: Ultimately, the proposal is to be nominated to the State and National Register; this is the first stop. The Department is recommending support of it, but ultimately it's the Commission's prerogative. Ms. Rutgard: This is, maybe, a little better picture to see how it is because that's like the side view. Mr. Hull: Sorry, ma'am, just for the minute taking purposes, could you speak into the microphone? Ms. Rutgard: I was just showing the Chairperson, Mr. Guerber, another view of the rear of the home or the south side that shows the addition of the half -bath. Chair Guerber: Is there any discussion about this? Mr. Ida: I noticed a lot of picture windows. Ms. Rutgard: Yes. Mr. Ida: Were those there when you guys bought the house? Ms. Rutgard: Are you referring to the north side of the house? Mr. Ida: (inaudible) May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 5 of 17 Ms. Rutgard: Yes. Fish House No. 1 and Fish House No. 3 were built in '45. That was, I believe, an open lanai at that time and according to the research of the consultant, I think in 1954, they enclosed that lanai with glass windows. Mr. Ida: What about the sliding glass screen... Ms. Rutgard: That was done as an addition when the lanai was added in 2002. Chair Guerber: Anything else? Any other discussion? Go ahead. Mr. Ida: Who filled out the application? Ms. Rutgard: The application was filled out by Stephen Long. Ms. Schneider: Who used to be our commissioner. Mr. Ida: I just noticed couple mistakes here. Chair Guerber: Oh. What did you find? Mr. Ida: Hurricane `Iwa is written as Hurricane Ewa, and explanation of hukilau — I am not sure if I agree with that. Ms. Wichman: Yes, I saw that, too. Those are so minor, but it has to be corrected. Mr. Ida: Every time something like this goes on the official record, it should be corrected. Ms. Rutgard: Okay. Yes. Chair Guerber: This is a really great example. If it was correct, it would be a super example for everyone else on how to write up one of these things. Ms. Rutgard: So the Hurricane Ewa, I don't know, I wasn't around in '83 for that. But that's listed incorrectly, you're saying? Mr. Ida: It supposed to be `Iwa. Ms. Rutgard: E-V-A. Mr. Ida: Okina-I-W-A. Ms. Rutgard: Okay. So the hurricane of'83 is listed incorrectly and then the definition of hukilau, the translation, is that... Mr. Ida: The "lau" part. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 6 of 17 Ms. Wichman: Lau means leaf. It refers to the leaves on the side of the net. Ms. Rutgard: Right, so those two corrections, anything else? Ms. Schneider: Are we in support? Chair Guerber: Are you making a motion? Ms. Schneider: Yes, I'd like to make a motion in support of the application. Ms. Wichman: I'll second. Chair Guerber: Discussion? (Hearing none) All in favor? Mr. Hull: Let's see if there's more discussion. Chair Guerber: More discussion? Mr. Hull: Given the comments Commissioner Ida did, was there any discussion of having that as a requirement of the conditions of approval for support of the nomination? Or is (that) just an understanding that the applicant was going to make the corrections prior to sending it over to... Ms. Schneider: I think the applicant should make the correction because otherwise... Ms. Rutgard: Absolutely. Chair Guerber: But this is the first step and there's another step going on... Ms. Rutgard: Yes. Chair Guerber: Same documentation. Ms. Rutgard: And Honolulu, the State of Hawaii, yes. Okay so... Chair Guerber: Maybe this could be just a recommendation that we'll accept, but you'll normally correct it anyway. Ms. Rutgard: Yes. Chair Guerber: Next step. Mr. Chaffin: Our acceptance is based on the corrections. Chair Guerber: Not necessarily. We're just recommending that the corrections be made. She's got to make another step to the State to do that. If we would accept it with reservations, she would have to come back to us. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 7 of 17 Ms. Rutgard: And I came from San Diego last month and this month. Ms. Schneider: We'd like to keep those houses on the bay as they are. Chair Guerber: Okay, I have a motion to accept. Is that correct? Mr. Hull: I believe the motion was to support. Chair Guerber: To support. Ms. Schneider: Support, yes, because... Chair Guerber: All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Anyone opposed? (None) Motion carried 5:0. Ms. Rutgard: Can I ask a clarifying question? Okay, so the hukilau, the lau is leaf, not fish? That's the correction? Ms. Wichman: I`a is fish. Ms. Rutgard: Yes, so I just wanted to clarify that I say it right. Thank you very much. 2. Roman Catholic Church TMK: 2-8-013:004, Koloa, Kauai Re -roof and window replacements of the 1st chapel (re -roof), 2nd chapel (re -roof), main church (re -roof & window replacement), and existing residence (re -roof & window replacement). a. Director's Report pertaining to this matter. Mr. Wong: Aloha. Alex Wong, again, for the record. Mr. Wong read the Director's Report dated May 17, 2018, parts I and II, for the record. (Document on file) Mr. Wong: My Director's Report is going to be a little extensive partly because the content is very interesting, but also because this is potentially just a preliminary for additional action that the church will take later on. I've had discussions with them about potentially submitting the application for nomination for the (Hawai`i) Register (of Historic Places) in the future. I just wanted to lay the groundwork so that there's a bit of understanding at this time, so that when we talk about it in the future, we have a little bit of background knowledge already. So please bear with me. Mr. Wong continued to read the Director's Report dated May 17, 2018, for the record. (Document on file) May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 8 of 17 Ms. Schneider: This hasn't been routed to the State for comments? Mr. Hull: It has been sent to State Historic Preservation Division (SHPD), but they asked that KHPRC comment first. Chair Guerber: Do they have resources that could (inaudible)? Ms. Schneider: Well, Alex's report was very good. Alex's report was very informative and made good recommendations, and I don't know what we should do to proceed. Chair Guerber: Well, let's hear from the public first. Mr. Hull: Wait. You might want to bring the applicant up at this time and have the discussion with them on our review and recommendation. Chair Guerber: So is there anyone that would like to speak on this? N.R.M. Architect Nalani Mahelona: Aloha, my name is Nalani Mahelona and I am the architect representing St. Raphael's Church. Located in K61oa, the parish is the oldest Catholic Church on Kauai. The property currently holds eight structures, five of which are considered historical; three of those five structures are buildings. The oldest structure on the property is the first chapel circa 1842. The stone chapel is the rehabilitation of the original lava rock church. In 1941, the 15- by 45-foot lava rock church was rediscovered. A 15- by 15-foot portion of the remnants were relocated and restored. The roofing type was most likely cedar shingles. In 1992, the roof was completely destroyed by (Hurricane) `Iniki and the roofing system was entirely replaced with cement board. The second chapel, circa 1854, is made of rubble masonry and a gable roof. In 1933, the original bell tower was pulled down and a permanent adobe tower was added. In 1936, the church expanded to the footprint it is today. The windows' hardware has been replaced throughout the years. (Hurricane) `Iniki damaged the roofing of the second chapel extensively and the roofing system, too, was entirely replaced with the cement board. Cement board usually contains asbestos and most warranties have expired. If you look at the pictures of the church, you'll start to see the ... it's starting to discolor and the cement fibers are starting to pull apart. In 1979, St. Raphael's district consisted of eight structures and was nominated to the Hawaii Register of Historic Places; however, the procedure to pursue was halted for unknown reasons. Most recently, the church received the highest recognition by the Historic Flawai`i Foundation for its 175th year anniversary. Currently the church is at a stand point with proceeding on the Hawaii Register of Historic Places as it seeks reasoning and benefits if it were to continue. There is concern, should the church register, the future project might be held up by the highest standards of the Historic Preservation. The church site has historical importance. As a whole there has been continuity in the materials used throughout the years. Masonry construction ties the building together; however, the roofing material is lacking in continuity. The current main church also applied the out-of-date cement board along with the existing rectory built in 1850. The newest roofing type on the site are the architectural shingles on the existing restrooms. The church proposes replacement of the roofing (inaudible) buildings on the property to match the existing restrooms May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 9 of 17 and to unify the project as a whole. Landmark Pro -Architect 80 shingles boast the look of a traditional shake look with modern durability. Currently there are no visible wood shingles on any of the historical structures. Applying wood shingles would be considered a restoration of the historic buildings and are reputed by common problems, such as cost, maintenance, mold, rot, and finally termites, which seems to be the biggest issue of the project site. Proper roofing ensures that the historical project is preserved. Finally, concerning the replacement of windows of the second chapel, the church is willing to wait out the recommendations received by the Commission. Originally wood, the proposed windows are vinyl or perhaps vinyl clad wood, which is better with maintenance and longevity. Thank -you. Chair Guerber: Do you have any questions? Ms. Schneider: I'd still recommend the wood clad windows rather than the vinyl because when you go for your application for the Register, the vinyl windows are not going to be... Chair Guerber: Yes, I'd be afraid of compromising too much. The historical value ... this is a hugely valuable place for the island — for the State, actually. It's very important. So we're going to be very careful of what we say. Ms. Mahelona: Can I note something else that I just learned that's not in here? Chair Guerber: Sure. Ms. Mahelona: The existing rectory ... the entire roof if you look at this visual. (pointed to picture in the handout) The entire roof was taken off during (Hurricane) `Iniki and a new roof was built. Also, the windows were taken out and existing are vinyl windows on the existing rectory. In the future, the church plans to put the existing rectory in for permit, and perhaps change the roofing and the windows, and perhaps it will have the similar feedback you guys have on the second chapel. Chair Guerber: So is this the first step? Well, it wasn't the second step, but now it's the first step towards going for historical designation and after this you're going to go to the State? Is that correct? Ms. Mahelona: Okay, so originally the church came to me and said they want to re -roof the project. Looking at it, I was like okay, this is historical. So when we came through (the) Planning Department, of course it got thrown into historic review; that's when the conversation finally came up on the roofing type. But mainly, on the Register, the church in itself ..their mission perhaps is to be a church, and not to really preserve or to join the Historic Register. So the church itself seems to be in a debate and they need a discussion or to be recommended as to why they should Register. So it's actually in debate. Chair Guerber: I am sure it is. Ms. Mahelona: It's a big debate. It's financial. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 10 of 17 Ms. Schneider: It still would be our recommendation. Ms. Mahelona: Okay. Ms. Schneider: Use the wood material rather than a vinyl clad because it is a historic place and you want to keep that relevance. Mr. Hull: Yes, if I can interject real briefly. The Department supports, especially something as important as this site, the landowner putting it on the Register, but we can't force the landowner to put it on the Register either. So if you're saying that's up for discussion with the church itself, I think you know the Department can essentially put that on the side and say okay, that's really up (to) the church whether or not it wants to move forward to that. But pertaining to the proposal that you folks have before you concerning the re -roofing and fenestration of the window replacement, what will ultimately happen right now (is) you have a recommendation from us, but you folks can change that recommendation and you can put another recommendation and conditions of approval. The Department will take whatever action you folks have and then also look to the State Historic Preservation Division if and when they provide their recommendation and comments. The Department then takes that into consideration and when Nalani folks come with the church's actual building permit plans to re -roof and change the windows out, we have to take into consideration how we're going to implement your recommendations. So, one example that was somewhat similar to, not the same case, but similar to this situation is the restaurant across the street. Some of you folks were on the Commission when they came here and they came, I think, with the same proposal to use that type of roofing. There was clear evidence that the historic integrity had the shingles and this commission recommended that the shingles be used instead of what was originally proposed. During the review of the building permit, the Department basically denied the application on the basis of your recommendation to use what was originally proposed and mandated that the shingles be used; and I am not saying that exactly will happen in this case. It's just the Department has to take all these into consideration and one will definitely be what SHPD says. But that's how the process essentially will unfold after you folks take action here. Is that clear? Chair Guerber: Our two points that we're stuck on are the windows and the shingle material. And this is the shingle material that you're proposing? Ms. Mahelona: Yes. Chair Guerber: This one? Is there anything that's closer to a shake looking shingle? As durable? Ms. Mahelona: Perhaps we can do some research. That was what the church originally came to me with — the Arch (Architect) 80. Chair Guerber: Any more discussion? Yes. Mr. Ida: The windows presently in chapel number two ... the windows are original to the building? May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 11 of 17 Ms. Mahelona: Leonard Vierra is here from the church; maybe he can help. You want to come up? Leonard Vierra: Hi. Leonard Vierra. I am with the building committee on the St. Raphael's Parrish. As far as I know — I don't have that much experience in the original windows — they look original but the wear and tear on the windows are like 10 coats of paint, the hinges are kind of rusted and hanging, closure is difficult but we almost closed it (to) where they're almost closed. But we don't have that much rain in the area so it's not really a weather problem, but a lot of salt breeze. But my guess would be (it) looks like it is very old; it's not original and our intent is to replace with like. It might be an oversight on our part, but we're not looking to make any changes different from what it is because our intent is to keep it looking old, and trying to do our best in keeping it looking original. Mr. Ida: It mentioned someplace about possible stained glass? Mr. Vierra: That stained glass we're keeping. There's kind of a misunderstanding. It's the wood frame holding the stained glass (that) needs (to be) replaced. We'll do that, but the glass itself has historical characters and pictures on that glass, so that is a no, no; we (are) not changing that. Chair Guerber: So our sticking points are the roofing should look like shake; it doesn't have to be wood, it should look closer to shake. And obviously the vinyl windows — we would like that to be wood because we know that's got to be what the originals once were. Mr. Vierra: And just so you know, we've had some minor discussions and pretty much that's our belief as well. We're going to make a change to that. Really, the hardware is the thing; the open and closure is frozen and not working, so it almost has to be changed. But putting wood windows (is) not a... Chair Guerber: It's more of an expense. Mr. Vierra: It will be but... Chair Guerber: Not that much. Mr. Vierra: Yes. Chair Guerber: What are our options? Mr. Hull: You have the Department's recommendations. You can adopt the recommendation as it stands or you can amend the recommendation, or a motion can be made for a whole new set of recommendations or... Ms. Schneider: Based on the staff s recommendations, we should be in support of the application. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 12 of 17 Chair Guerber: Okay, is there a second to that? Deputy County Attorney Jodi HiQuchi-Sayegusa: As Ka`aina mentioned, if you folks were interested in qualifying a motion of support with any particular amendment or suggestion for the... Ms. Schneider: Suggestion that they come back to us with the roof material and the window selection when they're ready, if that's possible. Ms. Mahelona: We can do that. Mr. Hull: So you want to frame it as clear on the record, Commissioner Schneider. You want to make that motion to that effect. Ms. Schneider: I make a motion that we are in support of the application as long as they come back to us with the window selection and the roof selection. Chair Guerber: Sounds very clear. Second? Ms. Wichman: Second. Chair Guerber: I have a second. Discussion on the motion? Mr. Hull: The Department (is) not saying any objections to that because right now the recommendation ... there's a few conditions of approval or conditions of support for the recommendation, and one of them is that they go to the Planning Department with that material. If there's no objection, the Department would consider (it) a friendly amendment to our recommendation that that be replaced; the Planning Department should review, be replaced by the Kauai Historic Preservation Review Commission. Chair Guerber: So what was recommended is that they not come back to us (and) that they go to the Planning Department with the same. They let the Planning Department decide (the) roofing composition. Ms. Schneider: (inaudible) Mr. Chaffin: And then upon approval from the Planning Department, it comes back to us. Chair Guerber: No. Ms. Schneider: No, just let them go to the Planning Department. Chair Guerber: It will go to SI1PD if they decide to go to historical designation. Yes. Mr. Vierra: Can I make a comment? One of this, we progressing with this change is more than likely the roofing material selected at that time was post (Hurricane) `Iniki. Everybody's May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 13 of 17 fighting for roof material and being we had a huge hall being rebuilt, change in roof on the old church was probably the best thing to do at the time; well, there was a lot of damage anyway. The choices — (there) weren't that much available and I agree the composite roofing ... I would never choose it today. It's all on the ground with every big wind and pretty much its making us move as fast as we can because (with) every big wind, we have shingles all on the ground; it just tears. It's like a composition layer on layer that's eventually... and hopefully we can replace it before we get leaks. Right now we don't have leaks, but that's really... Chair Guerber: Roofs like that are leaking now. It was replaced in 1994 or something like that, right; 3 or 4. So these roofs did not really last as long as they were supposed to. Mr. Vierra: Yes, we're looking (at) 22 years and you know it's... Chair Guerber: So... Mr. Hull: Commissioner, I think the motion on the floor is that they come back to KI--IPRC. Ms. Schneider: Which is... Mr. Hull: Which the Department has no problem if the body wants the authority. I think (what) the project applicant might be saying is that there is a time element issue here as well. Ms. Schneider: So they might be better off coming to the Planning Department. Should I amend the motion? Mr. Hull: I think you just withdraw. Ms. Schneider: I withdraw the motion and make a new motion. Ms. Higuchi-Sayeg sa: Sure and just clarify to... Chair Guerber: It's much better. Ms. Schneider: We are in support of the application and when you're ready to go forward, come to the Planning Department with the materials, so that they can have... Mr. Vierra: Thank you. Chair Guerber: Especially with these two recommendations, there are other recommendations that the Planning Department had made, that Alex had made, and I think you should take those into consideration, too. You'll get a copy of this, right? Mr. I -lull: Sorry (to be) the stickler on this guys, but just for clarification, Commissioner Schneider, when you were making that motion of support, was it in support of the recommended conditions of approval or... May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 14 of 17 Ms. Schneider: Yes. Mr. Hull: Okay. Chair Guerber: Yes. Mr. Hull: So that would stand as is. Chair Guerber: Stand as is. Okay. Second? Ms. Wichman: I second. Chair Guerber: Now discussing the new motion. Any discussion? Mr. Chaffin: Should we restate that new motion? Chair Guerber: Can you restate it? Mr. Hull: I can read it. Chair Guerber: Here it is... Mr. Hull: So ultimately what the Department was recommending is that there are four conditions that the applicant adhere to: 1. Applicant should make efforts to maintain the historic form and character, to the greatest extent possible, of the historic St. Raphael Church structures — in particular, the windows and roofing. 2. Applicant should make efforts to use building and construction materials that are best suited, and most accurately congruent to, the historic (circa 1936 for the main church, and circa 1942 for the small chapel) appearance of the chapel structures. 3. Applicant shall provide physical samples of the proposed roofing material to the Planning Department prior to Planning Department approval of the applicable zoning permit(s). The roofing material should be similar in appearance (i.e. color and texture) to a wood shake style. 4. Applicant should not install vinyl windows, which will have a detrimental effect on the historic architectural integrity of the structure and the nomination of the historic building on the National and State Historic Registers. The Applicant should install wood framed windows that are consistent with the post-1936 aesthetic associated with the adobe tower and building expansion. Chair Guerber: Before we take a vote, is there anyone in the public that would like to make more comments on this? Ms. Mahelona: Can I make another... Chair Guerber: Sure. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 15 of 17 Ms. Mahelona: Can I ask a question? Would wood clad vinyl give the look of historic importance? Ms. Schneider: Not with the State Register. Ms. Mahelona: Okay. Mr. Hull: Yes, we can work that through SHPD. I think what the Commissioner is saying is not as she sees it. Ms. Mahelona: Just throw it out there. Chair Guerber: Good. Mr. Hull: And, again, for the applicant and members of the public, ultimately the Commission is a recommending body to the applicant. At the end of the day, the Department has to analyze the recommendations that were made, as well as the recommendations and or mandates being made by the State Historic Preservation Division when we do the building permit review. Ms. Mahelona: Okay. To clarify, after this it's still going to go to the historic and get recommendations after that, or is that only if we register? Mr. Hull: No, it still has to go. Ms. Mahelona: Still goes, okay. Mr. Hull: It's a requirement under State Law 6E that State Historic Preservation Division be afforded the opportunity to comment. I believe there is a window in which they have to comment and then if there are no comments within that time frame ... I believe its 30 days, but we can double check. It has been forwarded to them at least from my Department to their end, but we haven't heard anything back from them yet. Ms. Mahelona: Okay. Thank you. Ms. lliguchi-Sayeg sa: Can we take a short recess? Chair Guerber: Sure. Mr. Hull: Yes. Chair Guerber: We're going to take a short recess. Meeting recessed at 4:07 p.m. Meeting called back to order at 4:17 p.m. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 16 of 17 Chair Guerber: Let's reconvene, please. We have a (motion) in front of us that is to approve. Any further discussion from anyone? If not, can I have a vote, please? All in favor? (Unanimous voice vote) Anyone opposed? (None) Motion carried 5:0. Mr. Hull: Motion passes. I think we're going to have to end the meeting at this point Chair because (of the) lack of ability to make quorum. We'll have to defer all the other items to the next... Mr. Chaffin: I am sorry, but I just need to ... I just don't feel good. 3. Fujii Residence (David and Sara DeZerega) TMK: 1-8-008:061, Puolo Road, Hanapepe, Kauai Demo of residence fire damaged residence. a. Director's Report pertaining to this matter. COMMISSION EDUCATION COMMITTEE KAUA'I HISTORIC RESOURCE INVENTORY UPDATE COMMITTEE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PUBLICITY COMMITTEE HANAPEPE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT COMMITTEE SELECTION OF NEXT MEETING DATE AND AGENDA TOPICS ADJOURNMENT Chair Guerber: Let's adjourn the meeting and we'll pick it up next month. Chair Guerber adjourned the meeting at 4:17 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, 4, Sandra M. Muragin Commission Support Clerk ( X ) Approved as circulated. 06/21/18 ( ) Approved with amendments. See minutes of meeting. May 17, 2018 KHPRC Meeting Minutes Page 17 of 17