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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/06/2021 Council minutes COUNCIL MEETING OCTOBER 6, 2021 The Council Meeting of the Council of the County of Kaua`i was called to order by Council Chair Arryl Kaneshiro at the Council Chambers, 4396 Rice Street, Suite 201, Lihu`e, Kaua`i, on Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 8:48 a.m., after which the following Members answered the call of the roll: Honorable Bernard P. Carvalho, Jr. Honorable Mason K. Chock Honorable Felicia Cowden Honorable Bill DeCosta Honorable Luke A. Evslin Honorable KipuKai Kuali`i Honorable Arryl Kaneshiro Council Chair Kaneshiro: Good morning. Today's meeting will be conducted pursuant to Governor Ige's COVID-19 Delta Response Emergency Proclamation with the most recent relating to the Sunshine Law dated October 1, 2021. Please note that we do have registered speakers for some of our agenda items this morning. I will read the agenda and take public testimony. Staff will appropriately incorporate the testimony into the record. After public testimony, we will proceed with our Council Meeting, followed by our Committee Meetings, and conclude with our Executive Session. APPROVAL OF AGENDA. Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the agenda, as circulated, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or is there any discussion from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion for approval of the agenda, as circulated, was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. MINUTES of the following meetings of the Council: September 15, 2021 Council Meeting September 15, 2021 Public Hearing re: Resolution No. 2021-27, Bill No. 2831, Bill No. 2832, Bill No. 2833, and Bill No. 2835 COUNCIL MEETING 2 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve the Minutes, as circulated, seconded by Councilmember DeCosta. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or is there any discussion on these items from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding these agenda items.) The motion to approve the Minutes, as circulated, was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. CONSENT CALENDAR: C 2021-217 Communication (09/21/2021) from the Director of Finance, transmitting for Council information, the Condition of the County Treasury Statement quarterly report as of June 7, 2021. C 2021-218 Communication (09/24/2021) from the Mayor and the Boards & Commissions Administrator, transmitting for Council information, Mayoral appointments to the Kaua`i County Voters with Special Needs Advisory Committee for the County of Kaua`i: • Kimberly J. Blaum—Term ending 12/31/2024 • Ann E. Lemke —Term ending 12/31/2023 • Angenette M. Molina—Term ending 12/31/2022 • Joseph D. Thomson—Term ending 12/31/2023 • Marjorie E. Works—Term ending 12/31/2022 Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive C 2021-217 and C 2021-218 for the record, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or is there any discussion from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding these agenda items.) The motion to receive C 2021-217 and C 2021-218 for the record, was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. COUNCIL MEETING 3 OCTOBER 6, 2021 COMMUNICATIONS: C 2021-219 Communication (09/08/2021) from the Executive on Aging, requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal funds, for the third allotment in the amount of $128.00 for Fiscal Year 2021 (total amount of funds including the previous approved awards is $41,402.00), and to indemnify the State Executive Office on Aging, for the Nutrition Services Incentive Program (NSIP) provision of congregate and home-delivered meals. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-219, seconded by Councilmember Cowden. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-219 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. C 2021-220 Communication (09/09/2021) from the Executive on Aging, requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal funds, in the amount of $2,109.00, and to indemnify the State Executive Office on Aging, for the provision of Title III services of the Older Americans Act, which includes Supportive Services, Congregate Meals, Home-Delivered Meals, Preventive Health, and for Family Caregivers, for the Federal Fiscal Year 2021 that began October 1, 2020 and runs through September 30, 2024. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-220, seconded by Councilmember DeCosta. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions on this item? Is there any discussion from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-220 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. C 2021-221 Communication (09/10/2021) from the Executive on Transportation, requesting Council approval of the County of Kauai, Transportation Agency's submittal of its current Title VI program to the Hawaii Department of Transportation's Office of Civil Rights, as a recipient of Federal Transit Administration funds, which has been updated, reviewed, and approved through consultation with the Office of the County Attorney. COUNCIL MEETING 4 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-221, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? We do have a question, so I will suspend the rules. Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: I just wanted a simple explanation of what this is. I believe this is something that happens every year, is that correct? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. CELIA M. MAHIKOA, Executive on Transportation (via remote technology): Thank you for your inquiry. In actuality, we are required to submit updated reports as requested by the grantor, which is the Hawai`i State Department of Transportation(HDOT), as they coordinate the funding that comes through the Federal Transit Administration(FTA). Basically, in promoting accessibility, the Transportation Agency has adopted a zero-tolerance policy towards acts of discrimination. Members of the public are entitled to use public transit in an atmosphere devoid of any harassment or intimidation. Employees are prohibited from behaving in a way that discourages use of public transportation through discriminatory language or actions. If we are made aware of any situations like that, they are dealt with extreme seriousness. This Plan and program is required for us, and at the same time, we are fully committed to carrying it out to ensure that the services made available for the community are equitably distributed to all our patrons without regard to race, color, national origin, et cetera. That is what this program helps to lay out-the specifics for ensuring that is handled properly. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you for that. Do we have many instances occur? Ms. Mahikoa: No, thankfully. There are occasional instances between passengers, typically. That is what we are needing to deal with. Thankfully, the excellent crew that we have that carries out the services is not offensive in any way to our riders in this manner. Councilmember Cowden: Okay. Thank you. I just have to say that I do not ride the bus that often, but I do make a point to ride it occasionally. Luck of the draw, I always get a great ride and driver, and I like being up high looking out of the big windows. I know we also have internet on the buses now, so the ride goes by fast and you can get work done. Ms. Mahikoa: That is wonderful. Councilmember Cowden: My personal experience is always very positive. Ms. Mahikoa: Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any other questions from the Members? If not, is there any discussion from the Members? COUNCIL MEETING 5 OCTOBER 6, 2021 There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-221 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. C 2021-222 Communication (09/17/2021) from the Clerk of the Planning Commission, transmitting the Planning Commission's recommendation to amend Chapter 8, Kaua`i County Code 1987, as amended, relating to Transient Accommodations. Councilmember Chock moved to receive C 2021-222 for the record, seconded by Councilmember Kuali`i. Council Chair Kaneshiro: We did receive testimony related to Bill No. 2838, which is related to this item. We will see this later on the agenda. Do we have any questions or discussion from the Members on this item? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to da item.)n testify regarding this a g The motion to receive C 2021-222 for the record was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. C 2021-223 Communication (09/21/2021) from the Chief of Police, Stan R. Olsen, Deputy Chief of Police, and Bryson Ponce,Assistant Chief of Police, Investigative Services Bureau, requesting Council approval to receive and expend recurring Federal funds, in the amount of $44,481.00, from the Edward J. Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant (JAG) Project No. 19-DJ-03 (2019-DJ-BX-0069), and to indemnify the State of Hawaii, Department of the Attorney General, funding will be used for drug-related investigations, training, K9 supplies, communication equipment, eradication projects, and travel to other islands for joint operations with other law enforcement agencies. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-223, seconded by Councilmember Cowden. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you, Chief Raybuck, Deputy Chief Olsen, and Assistant Chief Ponce. I am curious...this is actually not much money here, forty-four thousand dollars ($44,000). Do we have anything targeted with this recent COUNCIL MEETING 6 OCTOBER 6, 2021 round of Fentanyl problems? Or, can you tell me what exactly this is targeting? I like the K9 dogs and everything. Are we shifting our weight at all since we have had the Fentanyl tragedies? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. BRYSON PONCE, Assistant Chief of Police, Investigative Services Bureau (via remote technology): Sure. Let me just talk a little bit about the Statewide Multi-Jurisdictional Drug Task Force (SMDTF). The SMDTF is a coordinated effort amongst all the police departments throughout Hawai`i, including our other State and Federal partners. The forty-four thousand four hundred eighty-one dollars ($44,481) that we are requesting approval of, and indemnification approval for, can be used and we do use it for all types of illicit drug investigations. The overall goal of the SMDTF is to disrupt and dismantle the availability of illicit drugs on Kaua`i from our mid-level to high-level dealers and anything that is being imported. Our goal is to work with all types of illegal drugs. Besides all the training, equipment, and technology, it is also for the coordinated effort like you mentioned, to target specific problems that we may be having right now. Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I appreciated the Narcan training that I did and they also have these Fentanyl strips. I guess I am wanting to use this moment to let you talk to the end users. I do not even know how this stuff is coming in. If it is coming in the mail...we have had a number of deaths even since we last met. How can we educate our people out there to not make a mistake? Assistant Chief Ponce: I am going to turn it over to Chief Raybuck. I will just touch a little bit on the fact that it is not a secret that we have Fentanyl present in our community. This is a very dangerous synthetic opioid. We have our coordinated efforts really focused and prioritizing the fight against Fentanyl in our community. The Chief can talk a little bit about...we are not going to be able to arrest ourselves out of this issue. It takes a coordinated effort from all of our partners to be able to tackle and deal with some of the stuff that we are talking about. TODD G. RAYBUCK, Chief of Police (via remote technology): Thank you, Assistant Chief Ponce. Councilmember Cowden, thank you for the question. First and foremost, I appreciate the opportunity to speak this morning about Fentanyl. As you have read in the newspaper and you have heard anecdotally throughout our community, Fentanyl has arrived in our community and in the State. It is a significant issue and concern for all of us. Just a little bit of background for the Council to explain what Fentanyl is, as Assistant Chief Ponce mentioned, it is a synthetic opioid and opioids belong in the same family as morphine, heroin, and some of those more common opioids that you may be familiar with. The problem with Fentanyl is that it is one hundred (100) times more potent than morphine. As you know, morphine is often used as a drug at the end of life to remove pain from people who are experiencing or are near death. Fentanyl is a significant issue. This is an issue that started on the East Coast, in the Southeast and has made its way across the Country towards the West. Unfortunately, it has now found its way to our State as well. It is a growing problem and it has been for about a decade. To give you some background, back in 2011, there were roughly two thousand one hundred to two thousand three hundred (2,100 to COUNCIL MEETING 7 OCTOBER 6, 2021 2,300)...my numbers may be a little bit off, so please forgive my memory...it was just a little over two thousand (2,000) synthetic opioid deaths in the Country. Last year in 2020 and I am sure COVID-19 played a part in this, the nation saw more than ninety thousand (90,000) drug overdoses and that was a significant increase over 2019. Seventy percent (70%) of those drug overdoses last year were attributed to synthetic opioid overdoses, mostly Fentanyl. It is a significant problem. Last year on our island we saw two (2) confirmed Fentanyl overdose deaths. Already this year we have had two (2) and we have a few others that we are awaiting on results from toxicology reports to confirm whether or not Fentanyl was involved. So to your question, it only takes about two milligrams (2mg) of Fentanyl to trigger a fatal overdose. To put that in perspective, a teaspoon of salt is two thousand three hundred milligrams (2,300mg). We are talking about a significantly small amount of this substance. It is most commonly brought in just like all other drugs are, via transpacific travel, packages and parcels, and through individuals who bring the drug over through private and/or commercial travel. It is a significant issue for us. It is more often found in a powder form. Unfortunately, we are seeing this drug being used intentionally and unfortunately also used unintentionally with some deadly consequences. Our priority here, as Assistant Chief Ponce mentioned, is to put our enforcement efforts towards trying to identify and dismantle individuals that are responsible for spreading this poison in our community. But, as he also mentioned, we cannot arrest our way out of this. This requires a full-press by our community partners. I just want to recognize and thank Mayor Kawakami, I have spoken to him this week, and he has committed the Office of the Mayor to support us in any way possible. We have also spoken to Council Vice Chair Chock, and his role as the Chair of the Resiliency Project on Kaua`i, and we are planning a meeting to get together and find out how all of our community partners can work together to try to address this problem. It really comes down to education and prevention. It is going to take our entire community to talk to their loved ones, their friends, to those they know have substance abuse problems, to address this issue and try to prevent future tragedies. I had a meeting yesterday with our High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Agency (HIDTA) and the Director there and our state and local partners with the Hawai`i Opioid Initiative, so that the local law enforcement working groups can partner with the other working groups to identify and focus our efforts on addressing this not only in our community, but across the state as well. I think all together through education and awareness, and the assistance of the media in educating our community about the dangers, we can try to prevent future tragedies. I just want to highlight as we put out our press release recently, the great efforts of our community members who have stepped forward to help save the lives of two (2) young ladies that were obviously or apparently experiencing an opioid overdose in one of our parks. It was the quick responses of the community members, off-duty nurse, off-duty police officer, and others, that triggered the call to 911 to get medical and police services on the scene. It was our officers who first arrived who recognized the signs and symptoms of an opioid overdose that administered Naloxone and I believe saved those two (2) ladies' lives. Thank you for the time to share some of this information with you and I will entertain any other questions or comments. Councilmember Cowden: I just want to thank you for giving that explanation. We all need to be learning it and hearing it. I think for many in the community, especially those that are not directly affected by this, they should know so that they can take care of their loved ones. Thank you. COUNCIL MEETING 8 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember De Costa. Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you for all that you do. Most importantly, Chief, you did not mention and maybe you have something in place, but you did not mention our school system. Getting out there with the Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE) program, when I was out at the high school for ten (10) years, and now I am at the elementary school, I think that is where we should be focusing our constructive informational presentations for our school kids. I think it is one thing when an adult overdoses on Fentanyl, but can you imagine what happens with our children in high school that are not aware. I am kind of troubled. Are some of these moneys going towards educating our children in our high schools and middle schools? Or are we not targeting that audience? Chief Raybuck: I share your interest and passion for educating our youth. We did actually speak with the Hawai`i Opioid Initiative in communicating and getting the Department of Education (DOE) online with us. Obviously, we do have our School Resource Officers (SROs) in schools. COVID-19 has obviously set back some of our programs and some of the challenges that we have had in reaching students in the classrooms, but it remains a priority for us to re-engage that and share information. It is also going to require the assistance and partnership with DOE for them to utilize resources to educate the youth as well. We are looking at statewide, how we can engage the DOE and bring them in as partners to also educate people. One of the tragedies with substance abuse is that many of these kids learn about the dangers of drugs and the costs that substance abuse has in our community, and unfortunately, they go home to see parents, family members, or loved ones abusing those same drugs. That is why this is a community issue that is going to take more than education in the classroom. It is going to take more than arresting people and shutting down drug dealers. It is going to take our entire community to become active and engaged in communicating and trying to get people to recognize that there is help out there and other ways to try to deal with problems than turning to substance abuse. Councilmember DeCosta: Okay, Chief, I appreciate your explanation,but you just said, "It is going to take a little more than the school making children aware and it is going to take a little more of something else." We do not even have that "little more" in the schools right now, correct? So you are telling me that the DOE is not onboard to get this informational piece out to our schools? Chief Raybuck: No sir, and I was not saying that the DOE was not onboard. What I was saying was that with the Hawai`i Opioid Initiative, we are looking to seek more of a partnership and more engagement with the DOE so that we can assist in trying to partner more with them to increase the level of education and awareness in the schools so that it just does not fall on a handful of SROs. Councilmember DeCosta: Okay. Let us know how the Council can help you, please. Next thing I want to ask is what you mean by "eradication projects." I am an environmental teacher and when we talk about eradication, it is a removal of an invasive species. It is removal, meaning it is completely gone. Enlighten me with your verbiage of eradication projects. COUNCIL MEETING 9 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Chief Raybuck: The short answer, is that eradication means illegal marijuana growths. To talk about eradication, and I appreciate that you used the word "invasive," if you watch the news and see what is occurring particularly in California and in the West Coast where they are experiencing significant droughts, illegal marijuana operations are syphoning away vital water resources from farmers, agricultural areas, and natural ponds and lakes. It is important to continue to identify and eradicate illegal marijuana operations that not only poison agricultural areas with utilizing fertilizers, replacing native landscape, and native agricultural plants, but they also diminish the critical resources of water and other issues. Some of those funds are utilized to help eradicate illegal marijuana operations. Councilmember DeCosta: I agree with you on that, Chief. I would like to see those funds go more towards educating our children and making them aware of the more detrimental drugs out there. That is just my own mana`o. Chief Raybuck: Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Carvalho. Councilmember Carvalho: I just wanted to say mahalo for the explanation overall. For anyone watching, that was a great detailed explanation. Having talked to several people regarding what happened at the Bryan J. Baptiste Sports Complex, like you mentioned, I think how we bring awareness...picking up on Councilmember DeCosta's comments...because it is not only the actual activity that happened, our young children were around the area and were questioned about what happened. That speaks to the awareness part of it. Especially where a lot of our youth congregate for sports activities such as stadiums and different locations like that, where would you be in supporting a resolution of implementing drug-free zones and incorporating the explanation of"why." It is not only about what happened, it is about children witnessing what happened across the street and getting information in this area that brings our youth together. I wanted to get your input on that. If you are congregating in these kinds of areas like stadiums and creating these drug-free zone areas. Chief Raybuck: Thank you for the question. If I heard you correctly, I think you were asking if drug-free zones could assist us in curbing some of these behaviors, is that accurate? Councilmember Carvalho: Yes. Chief Raybuck: I do believe that drug-free zones do serve a purpose. A lot of places on the mainland have implemented those to try to reduce the impact, particularly where our children are. Drug-free zones, for those that do not know, typically allow law enforcement an extra tool in the prosecution of individuals who violate those drug-free zones. It is an education piece to put people on notice that drug use and drug possession is not welcome in those areas and if you are caught with drugs in those areas, there could be an increased penalty for having drugs. I do think that is an area that we could explore to see if that can helpprevent this type of tragedy, P especially in the presence of minors. It is traumatic for anyone to see lifesaving measures being taken on anyone, let alone a youth having to experience that. That is COUNCIL MEETING 10 OCTOBER 6, 2021 certainly something we could discuss. It would require both the prosecution and the judicial system to come onboard to see if they support it, and of course, it would also take an act of the County Council to approve that as well. Councilmember Carvalho: Okay, thank you for that. I would consider doing a resolution or whatever else it takes to bring it to the forefront in this particular discussion. Thank you. Chief Raybuck: Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any other questions from the Members? Is there any final discussion from the Members? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-223 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. We will need to take a recess right now. There is a fire alarm going off on the Administration's side, so everyone had to leave the building. We will come back once everyone knows it is safe and they are ready to settle back in at their desks or phones. We will take a recess until that time. There being no objections, the meeting recessed at 9:15 a.m. The meeting reconvened at 9:26 a.m., and proceeded as follows: C 2021-224 Communication (09/23/2021) from the Director of Finance, requesting Council approval of the indemnification provision contained in the Avolve ProjectDox software Terms and Conditions for upgrade and migration to the latest version of Avolve ProjectDox, which is used to manage the building permit system. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-224, seconded by Councilmember Cowden. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you, Reiko. Can you give us a brief description of what this is? My understanding is that coming on is a little bit of a struggle, as people are applying, I am not quite sure. If you could tell us a little bit about this. I know that we are moving forward in becoming automated and I am grateful for that. Just wanting a little more information. There being no objections, the rules were suspended. COUNCIL MEETING 11 OCTOBER 6, 2021 REIKO MATSUYAMA, Director of Finance (via remote technology): Reiko Matsuyama, Director of Finance. Right now, we are just replacing the current E-plan review software that the Building Division uses. The current software that we are using expires at the end of this calendar year, so what we need to do is basically replace that service with them, so we can continue with the E-plan review. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, so no significant change. Ms. Matsuyama: No. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions? Is there any final discussion from the Members? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-224 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. C 2021-225 Communication (09/24/2021) from the Director of Finance, requesting Council approval of the Bank of Hawai`i Merchant Application and Terms, which includes indemnification provisions, unquantifiable fees, and unspecified future obligations for the collection of the County of Kaua`i's Transient Accommodations Tax (KTAT) via credit/debit card payments or Automated Clearing House (ACH) withdrawal. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-225, seconded by Councilmember Cowden. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you, Reiko. My question is going to be similar to the last one. I know this is new, because this is managing our Transient Accommodation Tax, so this is a big adjustment for our County, which is probably requiring an employee or two (2). When I am looking at twenty (20) pages with very fine print, I have looked through it, but can you simplify this for us? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. Ms. Matsuyama: Sure. This is going to be an online portal for TAT collections. What we are going to have is, taxpayers can go onto this portal and either pay via debit/credit card or ACH. A lot of these terms are general terms from COUNCIL MEETING 12 OCTOBER 6, 2021 both Bank of Hawai`i who will be the provider, as well as the merchant behind it, so a lot of them are Visa or Mastercard—those big companies that will accept the credit/debit portion of it. We have received an addendum from Bank of Hawai`i that kind of takes some of these away. We just received this and we are going back and forth on the terms, but we still need Council approval for many of them. Councilmember Cowden: When it says, "Unquantifiable fees and unspecified future obligations." That is kind of loose. What does that mean? Ms. Matsuyama: Many of these are penalty fees; insufficient funds; if someone were to close their bank account and we never received the money, there might be fees associated with that; if we did not pay whatever terms then we would have to pay their attorney fees, all of those fees are not quantifiable at the time and maybe we would never have to pay them, but there are situations where we may, so they are written into the agreements, so we need to get Council approval for such. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions? Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Evslin: Hi, Reiko. Is this platform the same that the State is using for TAT collections? Ms. Matsuyama: No. The State uses a really comprehensive solution with Hawai`i Tax online. They pay"big bucks" for their solution. So this might not be a permanent fix, we are still looking with all the Counties, doing an RFP for a more comprehensive solution that will do the back end, calculating the penalty and interests, doing the reconciliations, maybe sending out automatic delinquency letters, so we are still trying to work that side of it, but this is just the deposit mechanism. Councilmember Evslin: So when someone goes to file, they are using the State's filing system, which in some sense, will calculate what they owe for the Kaua`i TAT, then they click on a link, which brings them to this separate payment system inputting the amount that they owe. Ms. Matsuyama: That is correct. They would do everything that they normally do when they file their TA-1 form with the State, so they will continue that process as normal. Then after they pay the Kaua`i tax online to the State, there will be a link that says, "Do not forget to pay your Kaua`i TAT here." Then, it will click to the Bank of Hawaii portal. Councilmember Evslin: I am sure you have looked into it—there is no way for us to "piggyback" on the Hawai`i Tax online payment system in some capacity. Ms. Matsuyama: We feel that it would be too much. They pay about five to six million dollars ($5,000,000 - $6,000,000) a year in just maintenance costs for that software. Granted, maybe it will be something that we would share COUNCIL MEETING 13 OCTOBER 6, 2021 through the Counties, but when we issue the RFP, maybe they will respond and we can figure out more quantifiable costs, but that is completely out of our price range. Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Reiko. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any other questions from the Members? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-225 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. C 2021-226 Communication (09/28/2021) from the Acting County Engineer, requesting Council approval of the unbudgeted equipment purchase of a Grader in lieu of the currently budgeted Smooth Drum Roller to be used at the Kekaha Landfill and soil harvesting site in Paua Valley. The Smooth Drum Roller is currently budgeted at $314,000.00 and the Grader will cost $465,000.00, an increase of $151,000.00 in the annual lease financing payment to be funded from the unexpended rental budget in the Department of Public Works, Solid Waste Division. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2021-226, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? Councilmember DeCosta, then Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember DeCosta: Who is here from the Solid Waste Division? Dustin, and Mr. Gayagas are there. I will address Mr. Gayagas. I am very impressed that we have this which will add new equipment to help our landfill become more efficient. I am very excited. I wanted to ask Mr. Gayagas, I believe you and I were out at the landfill a few months ago and one (1) of the machines was broken and I am not sure if it is too old to fix or it is fixable, but I think we were going to look into that. Did you look into that Mr. Gayagas? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. BOYD GAYAGAS, Deputy County Engineer (via remote technology): Councilmember DeCosta, Dustin and Allison, both, did some research on equipment that we need there, so I will let them answer your question. Councilmember DeCosta: Okay, thank you. COUNCIL MEETING 14 OCTOBER 6, 2021 DUSTIN MOISES, Environmental Services Management Engineer (via remote technology): Councilmember DeCosta, I was not out there with you folks, what specific equipment were you and Boyd looking at that day? Councilmember DeCosta: I believe it was two (2) older graders, but one (1) was really old and I think it was going to be scrapped, but the other was constantly being repaired and I wanted to know with the new grader coming in, will we still repair the old one, so we can have two (2) graders in case something happens? Mr. Moises: My understanding is we do not have an old Grader out there. Mr. Gayagas: I am sorry, Councilmember DeCosta, I think you are referring to the compactor that we were looking at. Councilmember De Costa: Okay. Are we going to repair that compactor? Mr. Gayagas: It was a compactor that we were looking at. ALLISON FRALEY, Solid Waste Program Development Coordinator (via remote technology): I can answer that question, Councilmember De Costa, about the compactors. Councilmember DeCosta: Yes. Thank you, Allison. Ms. Fraley: Yes. Allison Fraley, Solid Waste, for the record. We do have two (2) compactors on-site now. One (1) that we purchased and used two (2) years ago and it had been broken for several months. It is in operation now. We have the one (1) that we purchased from Waste Management when we parted ways with them and ended our contract. That could be repaired, but would be a significant cost, almost to the tune of purchasing a new compactor, which we are in the process of doing now. We just signed a contract with a 180-day delivery timeline to have a new compactor, so we will have two (2) working compactors on-site if one (1) goes down, then the other one (1) could be used. So we are going to be in really good shape here in the next one hundred and twenty (120) days. Councilmember DeCosta: I just want to extend a nice mahalo. I know we were under some scrutiny with The Garden Island Newspaper article during the last Council Meeting about the morale out there on the landfill, but everything is in place and has been addressed. As Chair of this Public Works&Veterans Services Committee, I am very impressed with the comradery of management. "Shout out" to Mike Tresler, who is part of this solution back then. We have Mr. Gayagas, Dustin Moises, and Allison, thank you so much for all you do and moving us in the right direction. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: For whoever has the most knowledge on this. Can someone explain the role of the smooth drum roller and how the grader can address COUNCIL MEETING 15 OCTOBER 6, 2021 that need or is that need addressed in a different way? How is the smooth drum roller used and if we do not buy it, are we good? Mr. Moises: I can answer that. As far as the smooth drum roller, they use that for the tipping floor, access roads, ramp construction, and road construction at the landfill. As far as the grader, they use that for the landfill slope basis, access roads, tipping floors, but they also use it for berms to control the storm water management at the landfill. In addition to that, we have a soil site that we recover soil in Paua Valley for daily cover and the grader is useful for the access road to maintain access to that site, as well. Prior to this, they have been using the roller, but the Grader is more of a daily need. The Roller can be used two (2) or three (3) times a week and is not necessary now, because of the change in the landfill conditions over the last few months. Prior to that, because the compactor was down, unfortunately, the landfill filled up quicker than we anticipated and now that there is more dirt than rock, they need the grader to basically operate the landfill more than the roller. Councilmember Cowden: I get that we need the grader and that is a good investment. Do we still need to buy a smooth drum roller or should that be something that we are thinking about as a future purchase or is it that we do not need a new one for a while? Mr. Moises: Both, actually, so the plan right now is to use some of the rental funds to get a roller by January and likely make the request next Fiscal Year to purchase a new roller. Councilmember Cowden: Okay. Thank you, that is helpful. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any other questions from the Members? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve C 2021-226 was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. CLAIMS: C 2021-227 Communication (09/03/2021) from the County Clerk, transmitting a claim filed against the County of Kaua`i by Darlene Hatakeyama, for damage to her vehicle, pursuant to Section 23.06, Charter of the County of Kaua`i. C 2021-228 Communication (09/17/2021) from the County Clerk, transmitting a claim filed against the County of Kaua`i by DB Insurance, as subrogee of Wendalen COUNCIL MEETING 16 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Gonzalez, for personal property damage, pursuant to Section 23.06, Charter of the County of Kaua`i. Councilmember Kuali`i moved to refer C 2021-227 and C 2021-228 to the Office of the County Attorney for disposition and/or report back to the Council, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or discussion from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding these agenda items.) The motion to refer C 2021-227 and C 2021-228 to the Office of the County Attorney for disposition and/or report back to the Council was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. COMMITTEE REPORT: COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE: A report (No. CR-COW 2021-10) submitted by Committee of the Whole, recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading: "Bill No. 2830 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 3, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES," Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the report, seconded by Councilmember DeCosta. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or discussion from the Members? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion for approval of the report was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item. RESOLUTION: Resolution No. 2021-27—RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR PUBLIC USE, TO WIT: THE 23.5-ACRE PARCEL OF LAND, SITUATED AT KILAUEA, DISTRICT OF KO`OLAU, COUNTY OF KAUAI, COUNCIL MEETING 17 OCTOBER 6, 2021 HAWAII, TMK (4) 5-2-005-024, AND DETERMINING AND DECLARING THE NECESSITY OF THE ACQUISITION THEREOF BY EMINENT DOMAIN Councilmember Kuali`i moved for adoption of Resolution No. 2021-27, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: Aloha, Housing Director Adam P. Roversi. First of all, I will just own that I am very much in support of expanding our affordable housing in that area, as has been the desire of the community expressed for at least a decade, so I want to acknowledge that. Can you speak to what you would anticipate in legal conflict over this and help us understand why eminent domain is a path of choice? I know we touched on it, but can you give it to us again? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. ADAM P. ROVERSI, Housing Director (via remote technology): Aloha, Councilmember Cowden. Adam Roversi, Housing Director. I do not want to venture into the realm of offering a legal opinion or legal advice, but I can generally say that eminent domain is a procedural process to acquire land for public purpose where a negotiated acquisition is not possible. We had discussions with the current owner for more than two (2) years about his expected asking price, have had appraisals done for the property, have had discussions with him about where the County Housing Agency sees the value of the property based on these appraisals and we are, to be blunt, we are so far away that we are not going to come to a negotiated agreement, so an eminent domain process is essentially one in which the court decides what the fair price for the property is, when a government entity cannot come to an agreement with a private landowner. Councilmember Cowden: I live near this property, as do you, and I see it almost on a daily basis. For at least a couple of years, there was a for sale sign and it represented it as being zoned residential and Commercial. Zoning on that property is Agriculture, correct? Mr. Roversi: That is my understanding that it is both State land use districted as Agricultural, as well as County zoned as Agriculture. Councilmember Cowden: When this property was up for sale for a couple of years and I know I have spoken with you about it before we came into this process, what price were they offering? COUNCIL MEETING 18 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Mr. Roversi: I have never received anything in writing from the owner, but I have orally been told that the sale price would be around thirty million dollars ($30,000,000). I believe that there was an article in today's The Garden Island Newspaper and presuming that the quotes in there are correct, I believe that is what the landowner told the reporter in The Garden Island Newspaper. He valued the property around thirty million dollars ($30,000,000). Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I think it is important to note that this was on the market for a couple of years, unsuccessfully being sold. I called him myself and did not get a clear price on it, but it is not like it just "hit the market," I mean things move quickly and when we are making this purchase, some of this is with the Community Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery (CDBG-DR), so it is targeting our Flood 2018 challenges. So it is not like this could get rolled in. I saw that we had a letter saying roll it into what could be purchased anywhere, but we are looking very hard for North Shore property, which is all out of reach, is that correct? Mr. Roversi: We did go through a fairly lengthy process of analyzing different potential sites for affordable housing projects on the North Shore. Several in the Kilauea area, assessing the pros and cons of each, looking at both the General Plan and the Kilauea Town Plan for guidance as to where the Planning Department and the community have expressed their desire for development. We have looked at some properties in Hanalei that had flood issues and archeological issues. In the end, this parcel simply made the most sense. It is immediately contiguous to Kilauea Town. It is designated in the Kilauea Town Plan for the gradual expansion of the town and for affordable housing, it is designated in the General Plan for the gradual expansion of Kilauea Town. It is my understanding that it is more or less unanimously supported by the Kilauea Neighborhood Association for the redistricting and rezoning of that property for the gradual expansion of the town and primarily for affordable housing purposes. I believe that the town plan expressly calls for a minimum of sixty percent (60%) of any homes built on that property to be at affordable prices. After our relatively lengthy analysis, there was a small pool of properties that were even of a size and location that could be possible for housing and this one simply makes the most sense. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember DeCosta. Councilmember DeCosta: Adam, would we pursue this property by use of eminent domain if we had other areas that we could develop for public housing for our North Shore people? Mr. Roversi: If there were an equally appropriate parcel of land that fell within the community plan and the General Plan and made sense, then COUNCIL MEETING 19 OCTOBER 6, 2021 we certainly would have selected that, because we have no overarching desire to engage in legal action to accomplish our goal. Councilmember DeCosta: That is the answer I was looking for Adam. We are doing this for the betterment of our North Shore community. End of story. Adam, it troubles me that this twenty-three (23) acre parcel would be selling for thirty million dollars ($30,000,000) as zoned Agriculture. I know there is a piece of property that I own that is ten and half(10 %2) acres with three (3) homes on it that the County assessed at one million five hundred thousand dollars ($1,500,000). This property is twice the size with no homes and the landowner wants thirty million dollars ($30,000,000)—let's be real here. Local people cannot afford to buy something like that—it is going to come in from a mainland investor. That is the problem we face today. We increase these prices, locals cannot buy it, and who buys it? Mainland investors. Therefore, I am all for eminent domain here. Thank you very much for answering my question, Adam. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Adam, I have a quick question. We received testimony in opposition saying that we are taking away agricultural land, but I just wanted to clarify with you, is there active agriculture on the parcel right now or has there been any agricultural activity on the property recently? Mr. Roversi: There is no active agriculture on that property now and as Councilmember Cowden mentioned, she and I both live in that community, I do not remember any agriculture on that parcel in at least the last decade. It was historically part of Kilauea Plantation and was planted at one point with sugar, but as you folks all know, Kilauea Plantation shut down in the late `70s and I do not believe it has been actively farmed since then. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: I have a question for Matt Bracken. Is he available? County Attorney Matt Bracken, we saw at least in the newspaper that the owner of the property, Mr. Bertsch is saying that he is going to take us to court. I know that we would anticipate this going to court. Do you have a sense of what might typically be the court effort? How long? How much? Some loose range. MATTHEW M. BRACKEN, County Attorney (via remote technology): With the landowner saying, "He is going to take you to court." I do not find that too concerning, because this is going to court. The fact that we are proceeding with eminent domain means that we will be filing a complaint to take possession of that property, so it will be going to court. When it does go to court, the landowner can dispute two (2) things; he can dispute the price and our ability to use eminent domain to take the property. Those are the only two (2) things that can be disputed in court. The first one, our ability to take the property that would most likely be decided by COUNCIL MEETING 20 OCTOBER 6, 2021 the Judge on a motion, so it would be decided relatively quickly. The price of the property—that is something that the Judge would have to decide. That is something that we would put on expert witnesses, we would hire appraisers, the appraisers would say the value of the property and the owner would do the same. Ultimately, the Judge would make the determination as to what the property is worth paying. From start to finish, it is really hard to say how long the process will take. The County has been involved in condemnation actions that have taken over ten (10) years. That does not mean that we will not get possession of the property for ten (10) years, it just means that, if there are appeals filed, it could take a really long time for the entire lawsuit to resolve. Generally speaking, the courts are backlogged because of COVID-19, but we potentially could take possession of the property relatively quickly, after we file the complaint. If we put a deposit down with the court, then we could take possession of the property and Adam could proceed with the plans. Councilmember Cowden: Just to be clear on the second point, when you say, "Adam can proceed with the plans when we take possession of the property that means that we could begin to look at a strategy for either creating waste water treatment and building houses...I know that part of the reason that this property is a priority for our community, we have about six hundred (600) or nine hundred (900) cesspools, but having a waste water system is something that Kilauea needs and this is a good location for that. This person built the post office and at the time the post office was built, even then, there was consideration for the use of this parcel. The land has been there for decades, he bought the whole piece and that is being held. This is not a predatory action that we are taking right now, it has been something under consideration for a long time. I guess I lost my question in that whole piece. There was one, but thank you. If you heard it, please answer, but I lost it. Mr. Bracken: The only thing I would just say, is the first step in the process would be the change of zoning, because it is not zoned for the current plans. There will be a lot of steps in the process and Adam can outline that better than I can, but the zoning will need to be changed before we can proceed. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, that was my question. How long is it before we would be able to actually move forward? So it would go to the Land Use Commission first. Mr. Bracken: Right. To change the zoning, we would have to go through the Land Use Commission to change the State zoning, then after the State zoning is changed, we would have to change the County zoning. So the Land Use Commission does have an abbreviated accelerated process for the County, but even that process will likely take a year or two (2) to complete. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you. COUNCIL MEETING 21 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions from the Members? Is there final discussion? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: Councilmember Cowden: When I look at a value like twenty-three million dollars ($23,000,000), which it was for a while, to increase to thirty million dollars ($30,000,000), it seems like that value might be appropriate if it had already gone through the Land Use Commission, the County changes, and the infrastructure improvements. There is a tremendous amount of investment that has to be made before this property is divided up to be subsidized for our community that desperately needs the housing. So when we are anticipating the cost, those costs apparently had been out of reach for a long time, because the demand has been there, very present for some time, and that has not been able to happen so far. I feel comfortable with this action and do not feel like we are bullying private landowners or that there would be a worry that we would do this whenever we felt. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember DeCosta. Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you for that Councilmember Cowden and thank you for putting it kindly, using the word "bullying." I believe we all were elected for a reason. I have been involved with County Council for a long time, watching all of the meetings, and this is the best that the Council has gotten along and making executive decisions, and I believe we are doing this for our community. So whether a few testimonies come in to say we are being bullies, here is the message I would like to say, "Large landowners watch out." Because we are acting in the best interest of our community and that is where we move with this. Locals cannot buy land today. How do we help them? This is one way to help them. Is Kilauea the only piece of property or are North Shore residents the only ones that we are looking out for? Wrong. We will look from the West to North and make sure we hold the community in our best interest. I am moving forward and voting in support of this. We were elected to do a job and this is part of the job we are doing. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? Councilmember Kuali`i. Councilmember Kuali`i: I just wanted to say that this is a very important step that we are taking and I appreciate the Mayor and Housing Director Adam Roversi for helping us move in this direction. This is an important Resolution and I hope we have a unanimous vote in support. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin. COUNCIL MEETING 22 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Evslin: I am in full support of the Resolution, as well, for all of the reasons that have been stated. Obviously, we have an incredibly dire housing crisis on Kaua`i, which is decimating our communities and decimating the next generations that are forced to move off-island and we need to be approaching this crisis from every angle possible. One of those angles is to try to acquire land and have the County build more affordable housing. It is not the only angle, but it is an important aspect of it. It would be a more difficult decision or conversation if there were a bunch of active farmers farming the land currently or if this was someone's family house that they lived in for a long time, right? That is a totally different conversation. This is a vacant parcel of land that the community has identified for a very long time for future housing needs for the community that aligns entirely with the General Plan and the community plan and the community will be behind it. I feel like all the stars are lining up for this property, plus we have the advantage of leveraging Federal funds, so for me, it is an easy decision here and I support the Resolution. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock. Councilmember Chock: Thank you, Chair. I will be supporting the Resolution, as well. I think some of the testimony that came in asked the question of whether or not the County is a housing developer. The truth is, by force we have to be and that is not where I want the County to be exclusive. I hope that we can broaden opportunities for developers, but the opportunities are not there, oftentimes. I have not seen our Housing Director turn anyone down that would like to help, or anyone that is coming forward who wants to provide affordable housing. It behooves us to move on any opportunity that we can, to address the housing crisis, and this is one of those that when we look at the history of the interest that has been discussed over the years, it is clear to me that this is the right move for the whole community in Kilauea, and that is what we have seen in terms of support from that particular neighborhood and community. I am happy to support it. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Carvalho. Councilmember Carvalho: It is all about housing for me and for all of us. Whether you are from the North Shore all the way to the West Side of our beautiful island, anytime we can turn over every rock to look for opportunities for housing, what else can we say? I am in total support of this. We are in the right direction. More to come with diverse thinking and ways and methods of how to do it, but I think overall, we as Members, have the opportunity to look at every opportunity for housing and this is just another one. I am totally supportive and look forward to more opportunities on our beautiful island for housing. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember DeCosta. COUNCIL MEETING 23 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember DeCosta: Well said, Councilmember Carvalho. The word that jumps out at me, and I am kind of excited, is the word "donate." We have wealthy people in the world who donate money to good causes. How about our wealthy landowners donate, maybe twenty (20) acres, maybe fifty (50) acres of their several thousand acres to build community housing. So whoever is watching, who are large landowners, we are not looking for money, we are looking for land. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? Councilmember Kuali`i. Councilmember Kuali`i: I am just reiterating, because I did not say it and I am glad everyone else mentioned a critical need for housing. I think as the Housing & Intergovernmental Relations Committee Chair it is important that I say that, too. The other thing I would say, as far as the land and agricultural land, the land that we are considering here is immediately adjacent to the existing town where we already have commercial and different types of development and that is why we have the full support of the Kilauea community. I think we have excellent planners in the Planning Department that can help with doing it the best way possible. I think it is really exciting that we stay in front of any kind of growth and development to make sure we are doing smart, controlled growth. Further, coming from a working class poor family and living on the Hawaiian Homestead, I think it is really important that we have more affordable housing for our diverse native population, who more and more cannot afford anything on the island, but the need for affordable housing is everywhere on our island, but even more so on the North Shore. The fact that we have the opportunity in Kilauea is really important. Thank you, Chair. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: I just have a final piece. It might have not been clear that I am enthusiastically in support of this. Someone said, we are not sure if we are going to be unanimous. Of course I support this and I just want to acknowledge how it is in alignment with our County goals across the island. It is directly adjacent to our new shopping center where they need employees, which is in walking distance to our community agricultural park, so if people have affordable housing, especially those who might be able to have some assistance in housing, then it can effectively work for farm housing. If they are not right on the farm or if they are two (2) blocks from the farm, and they are also right next to the bus stop, transit-oriented development, also next to parks, churches—it is what we want in a walkable community. It has so many "wins" in it. It helps it to be in, what I would consider, a uniquely valuable position for helping, not only the residents who need housing, but Kilauea and because we have this CDBG-DR grant that is directed at our prioritizing members who were hurt in the flood in 2018. It is going to be a way to prioritize the existing residential community that has longer roots in the general area. Kilauea is cousins to both the Anahola area and to the Hanalei to Ha`ena even COUNCIL MEETING 24 OCTOBER 6, 2021 if it is not directly in those floodplains, it is close enough that it still feels like home. Kilauea openly welcomes, with open arms, the members from those communities who might have been displaced. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? For me, I will be voting in favor of this Resolution. Again, it all comes down to housing and you can see how strategic the County has been over the years in acquiring housing or trying to rebuild housing. If you look at projects around the island, we have Lima Ola in `Ele`ele, Waimea 400, Koa`e that just finished in Koloa, then we are looking at this Kilauea parcel and the County has used all the different tools that they have at their fingertips. They have used Open Space Commission funds to purchase property like the Waimea 400. They used the affordable housing policy, which developers had to provide land for housing for Lima Ola and Koa`e, and now there is this opportunity in Kilauea where the County has Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) funds that needs to go to benefiting the North Shore community. The County has looked and analyzed the areas and that is where the money can go. It is not the County being single-minded and trying to get land off of developers. They are using all their tools in the toolbox to try and acquire or try and provide housing for the future. The County should be commended for really looking out for the future. Lima Ola is going to be one the biggest projects on the island. This Kilauea parcel is going to be another very huge project for the island. Again, it is all on the focus of housing, which is probably one of the biggest issues that we hear of daily, regarding affordability of housing on Kauai. I am happy to be a part of this. I am happy that the County has used all of the diversified tools at their fingertips to try and acquire land or try to provide housing for Kaua`i and its residents. Again, in this situation the County will be paying fair market value for this property. We are not going to "cheat" anyone out of the value of their land. We will be paying fair market value for the property that we will be acquiring, so I will be voting in favor of this. Is there any further discussion from Councilmembers? Councilmember DeCosta. Councilmember DeCosta: I always give praise, and Chair Kaneshiro that was well said. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Let me suspend the rules. I saw Adam with his hand up. There being no objections, the rules were suspended. Mr. Roversi: I apologize for jumping in at the last minute. I just wanted to make one clarifying comment, so the record was clear. Our acquisition plan as this moves forward is to use both County development funds and the Federal CDBG-DR funds, so I do not want to misrepresent that the CDBG-DR funds will be the sole source of funds to acquire this property, but it is one of the COUNCIL MEETING 25 OCTOBER 6, 2021 sources that we will use and we have sufficient County funds to move ahead. I just want to be clear about that. There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: The motion for adoption of Resolution No. 2021-27 was then put, and carried by the following vote: FOR ADOPTION: Carvalho, Chock, Cowden, DeCosta Evslin, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 7, AGAINST ADOPTION: None TOTAL— 0, EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0, RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0. Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Seven (7) ayes. BILLS FOR FIRST READING: Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822) —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 8, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED RELATING TO TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIONS Pursuant to Governor David Y. Ige's COVID-19 Delta Response Emergency Proclamation dated October 1, 2021, public testimony was taken at the beginning of the day and as follows: Council Chair Kaneshiro: Our first speaker for Bills Nos. 2822 and 2838 is Lorraine Mull. LORRAINE MULL (via remote technology): Good morning. Can everyone hear me? I am here to offer my strong support of Bill No. 2822 and/or Bill No. 2838. I have been a full-time resident here on Kaua`i for thirty (30) years. I have two (2) children who grew up here, both of whom went to Hanalei School and the University of Hawai`i at Manoa (UH). They both came back to Kaua`i to live in the place they love more than anywhere else in the world. Then we have a third generation on Kaua`i, a new baby girl in our family that I want to see grow up in a Kaua`i that we all still recognize decades from now. Kaua`i is now at a crossroads, a tipping point. The island has met the challenges of floods, road closures, the pandemic, and a tsunami of tourism that we were not expecting. This has been especially acute on the North Shore. It has brought into sharp focus the fact that we now face an important choice; do we take the necessary steps to protect and preserve our way of life and the treasure of our open spaces or do we fall prey to promises of developers and resort companies on our open spaces? No one will argue that tourism is not an important cog in the engine of our economy, but if we care about what kind of place that we fundamentally are and what COUNCIL MEETING 26 OCTOBER 6, 2021 we want to be, we should not sell out to unbridled development and unfettered tourism. We have limits, strains on our roads, our infrastructure, and our special way of life. Therefore, we need to plan carefully for our future. We have important choices to make and the bills before you are a huge step in protecting and preserving our open space. What kind of place do we ultimately want to be? Do we want to maintain the magnificent beauty of open spaces and green vistas that make Kaua`i so desirable both for our residents and for the visitor experience? Or do we want to allow outside corporate money make their choices for our future before they sell their assets to other big money corporations then pack up all their tents and leave a trampled place behind. If we do not have a plan, we will be part of someone else's plan. Commercial developed campgrounds have become a thinly discussed path for resort expansion on open space. I am sure you have heard about the proposed glamping campground in Princeville that has caused such consternation in our community. Just last night, we heard about another proposed luxury campground on Open Agricultural land on Kalihiwai Ridge. You have the power to hit the brakes. You have the power to keep our open space truly open. We want to keep Kauai green for our families, our neighbors, and our future. The problem with these commercial developed campgrounds is that they are not really campgrounds, they are actually hotels. They have room service, turndown service, and all of the amenities of a hotel, some of which even include twice daily maid services. I think Bills Nos. 2822 and 2838 are a very important step to making sure that our island maintains its fundamental character and our open space. You as the County Council hold the future in your hands. Mahalo for your time and for your careful stewardship of this treasured island we all call home. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Lorraine. Next up is Tom Mull. TOM MULL (via remote technology): Thank you for your time and for your effort in what you are trying to do, and what you have in fact done. Now you have given us two (2) bills, both of which we support. I suppose you get to choose which one or a combination of the two (2)you feel is the most appropriate. We have two (2)bills on our side too. The dollar bills on one side and the bill that will come due to the next generation if this action is not taken. There is that line between develop and preserve, between too much and too little. That line reminds us that we actually in the real world have to live on both sides of the line. With these two (2) bills you have done your job. You gave us the bill in early April, Planning improved it, but for some reason, granted a two (2) month deferral, which is not your fault. Consequently though, we now have competing interest, mostly and importantly, the interest of time. Time is now the essence. That is the truth and is an undeniable fact. Oftentimes developers...people are tempted to manipulate the facts to game the system, play the process, and they see what is coming to try to slide under the falling curtain, cleverly sidestepping the clear intent of the people and the lawmakers. It has become a race to outmaneuver the effects of the Bill,if not the Bill itself. You must now act and we ask that you do with deliberate speed to get this Bill approved. What happens if this effort fails, if the fierce call of urgency is not heeded, it would be another missed opportunity. We would then be left COUNCIL MEETING 27 OCTOBER 6, 2021 with the bleats, bones, and developed residues of another paradise paved in the name of progress. Another opportunity squandered where it will be said by our kids and their kids, "not too little,just too late." Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Tom. Next up is Mary Patterson. MARY PATTERSON (via remote technology): Aloha and good morning everyone. Thank you so much to the Council for the work that you do. We really appreciate the opportunity to speak. I have not gotten anything prepared, but after listening to both Tom and Lorraine Mull, I cannot do any better than that. They have covered every point. It is a really important Bill and we are so grateful to the Councilmembers who put this Bill forward and to all of the Commissioners who has had a say in it so far. I agree with Tom especially that time is of the essence. We need to preserve the island's open space, not just in Princeville, but all around the island to save it from overdevelopment, which we all know is not a good thing at this point. I urge you to listen to all the other testimony and to vote in favor of one or the other of these bills as soon as you can so we can close this loophole in the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance (CZO). Thank you so very much for your time. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Next up is Carolyn Padgett. CAROLYN PADGETT (via remote technology): Hello. This is Carolyn Padgett from Princeville. I also would like to voice my support for either one of these two (2) bills. I do not have too much to add beyond what has already been said. I hope that you can pass these as soon as possible before it is too late. Thank you for everything that you do to protect open space on Kaua`i. Aloha. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Next up is Teresa Tico. TERESA TICO (via remote technology): Thank you. Good morning. I am a resident of Wainiha and I am testifying on my own behalf in support of Bills Nos. 2822 and 2838. I would like to especially thank Councilmembers Evslin and Chock for introducing the original Bill No. 2822, which has been returned to you from Planning as Bill No. 2838, with several minor revisions, all of which are acceptable to me anyway. I think it is a wonderful Bill and I hope that you pass it as soon as possible. I do agree with Lorraine Mull that the County of Kaua`i is at a crossroads in terms of how we want our island perceived and the quality of life we want for future generations. Will we remain"The Garden Island" or will we become another Ka'anapali, Maui or Waikiki? I am sure all of you know that as a result of the COVID-19 shutdown, our population has increased some say by as much as ten percent (10%), the greatest increase in the state. There is tremendous pressure to develop properties that are not zoned for development or to develop campgrounds on golf courses, which is just a euphemism for resort development, we all know that. The idea of developing golf courses is not unique on Kaua`i. In our research we have found that developers throughout the United States, COUNCIL MEETING 28 OCTOBER 6, 2021 indeed the world, are trying to develop golf courses claiming they are not profitable. I was talking to a friend of mine on the Big Island the other day, Julia Neal, the former Editor of The Garden Island newspaper. She was telling me about a proposal to build a glamping resort at the Discovery Harbor Golf Course in Na'alehu near South Point on the Ka`u Coast. The Ka`u coastline is the longest stretch of undeveloped coastline in the state and that is only as a result of continued and arduous community effort to preserve and purchase those lands so that they will not be developed. Now the owner of Na'alehu wants to build a glamping resort on it. You can imagine the community is fighting back and communities everywhere are fighting back demanding that open space remain open space. They are winning these fights. They are winning because open space conservation produces significant economic and health benefits for our communities. Let us preserve the intent of our CZO by defining exactly what a developed campground is and is not. Please pass the Bill and pass it now. As Mr. Mull said, "time is of the essence." Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Teresa. Next up is Ned Whitlock. NED WHITLOCK(via remote technology): Am I up? Council Chair Kaneshiro: Yes, we can hear you, Ned. Mr. Whitlock: I am totally opposed to Bill No. 2822. I am a full-time farmer here in Moloa`a growing on twenty-eight (28) acres. I have gone through the Farm Worker Housing process. I have two (2) structures. One in building and one completed. That is one thousand eight hundred square feet (1,800 SF). That just covers my family, my immediate family. Now I have workers. Putting a kibosh on having a developed camp for my workers would be a huge problem for diversified, organic agriculture. We produce food for this island. In a typical week, we might do one hundred fifty (150) bunches of chard, three hundred fifty (350) bunches of kale, two hundred (200) pounds of lettuce, one hundred fifty (150) pounds of arugula, two hundred (200) pounds of beets, two hundred (200) bunches of green onions, et cetera. Every day, we are picking six (6) days a week and sending out things through farmers' markets, all of the health food stores, et cetera. We are a legitimate farm and to do this it takes hands and a lot of people. It takes about I would say eight to twelve (8-12) workers to make this all happen. A lot of this time, these are young folks who want to learn about agriculture and are willing to work for stipend or a work/trade situation. We are always trying to take care of our workforce. This seems like a big sledgehammer coming down on agriculture land that would make it very difficult for us producers if for instance we have some billionaire neighbors who are trying to do their own development and are "picking a bone" with farmers on this side of the line. We would be an easy target. Kauai will suffer. The only reason I am able to do this is youthful energy, people willing to work, and people who want to live in the country while they are doing it. They could be jammed in a house somewhere in suburbia with sixteen (16) other people. I appreciate the concern about developing golf courses and things like COUNCIL MEETING 29 OCTOBER 6, 2021 that. If you are coming down on Agricultural land, we are just trying to make a living here. Help us out. That is about all I can say. Are there any questions? I would be glad to answer them. Council Chair Kaneshiro: There are no questions. Thank you, Ned for your testimony. Mr. Whitlock: Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: That concludes the public testimony this morning. There being no additional public testimony, the meeting proceeded as follows: Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822), seconded by Councilmember DeCosta. Council Chair Kaneshiro: This is the Bill that the County Council prepared on the front end. The motion on the floor is to receive this Bill. This Bill was referred to the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission sent back an updated and revised Bill, so the motion on the floor is to get rid of this older Bill that the County Council sent to them and we would be moving forward working on Bill No. 2838. Are there any questions on Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822)? Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: I just have a question for Matt Bracken, County Attorney. I had several people ask me to keep Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822). My understanding that I have said to those people, so I am looking for accuracy, is if we kept Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822) instead of using the Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), we are effectively not respecting the Planning Commission, is that correct? We need to move on to Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), so when people say, can we keep Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822), what would be the answer to that? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. Mr. Bracken: You cannot keep both of them,because they are touching the same subject matter and ordinance sections, so you cannot keep both of them, you have to only keep one of them. Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838) is the one that the Planning Commission changed and approved by them, so if you kept Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822), you would basically be ignoring the Planning Commission's recommendation. Under the Charter the Planning Commission has the authority and expertise in this area and that is why these Bills are sent to them, because they have the authority and they are the ones enacting a lot of the ordinances,but they also, under the Charter are required to have certain expertise that you are relying on. So if you were to reject what they say, you are just ignoring them. COUNCIL MEETING 30 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Cowden: Okay, thank you. I just wanted to clarify it for people who have that concern. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Evslin: If I can clarify one thing, too. I support the Planning Commission's recommendation. I think it is a better Bill than what was sent over and their changes were good. The major substantial change, which maybe Ka`aina would get into in the next Bill, but it is worth explaining now, is that this Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822), the motion is to receive, had an entire section at the end, which what we thought was clean up within the Transient Vacation Rentals (TVR) code, and would have prohibited TVRs from operating at all on Agriculture and Open zoned land. The Planning Commission with the Department's advice was to shear that part off of it and deal with it in a separate Bill, as it did not relate to developed campgrounds and it would create issues down the line with having to figure out with non-conforming uses for existing TVRs on Open zoned land. So it makes sense to shear that off and given that, I think this Bill is no longer necessary. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any other questions on this Bill? Is there final discussion on Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822)? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: Council Chair Kaneshiro: With that, we will take a roll call vote. (Written testimony was received and registered speakers testified regarding this agenda item.) The motion to receive Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822) was then put, and carried by the following vote: FOR RECEIPT: Carvalho, Chock, Cowden, DeCosta, Evslin, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 7, AGAINST RECEIPT: None TOTAL— 0, EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0, RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0. Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Seven (7) ayes to receive. Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838) —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 8, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIONS (Kaua`i County Council, Applicant) (ZA-2021-2 — Planning Commission Recommendation) COUNCIL MEETING 31 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Kuali`i moved for passage of Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838) on first reading, that it be ordered to print, that a public hearing thereon be scheduled for November 3, 2021, and referred to the Planning Committee, seconded by Councilmember Chock. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Council Vice Chair Chock. Councilmember Chock: Ka`aina, we have heard today that some of the primary concerns around this Bill centers around the impact on agriculture, particularly small farmers, and we discussed there was a possibility that some recommendation will come forth from the Planning Commission on it. I have read the transcripts. I just want to provide some background on where that is and it does not look like it has been taken care of, so the question I have is around if we want to move forward with the new Bill or is there interest to work with the Council in Committee to provide an amendment? There being no objections, the rules were suspended. KA`AINA S. HULL, Planning Director (via remote technology): Vice Chair Chock. I saw the testimony this morning and I think it has come up concerning agriculture or farm worker uses of possible camp sites for farm operations. We saw a little bit of testimony at the Planning Commission and Mr. Whitlock this morning. The Department is not opposed to looking at scenarios in which possibly camp sites can be propped up in a regulatory framework for addressing farm workers. Right now, the proposal that was received by the commission review was to prohibit developed campgrounds outright on agricultural lands and open lands, which we do agree with, because while we have not received, at least in my fifteen (15) years here, we have not received a single application for farm camps, if you will, I would say, in my time here, on average we have received one (1) or two (2) inquiries a year about true transient camping sites on agricultural lands a year. I would say in this past year, and I am not sure if this just happened spontaneously, if it was in response to COVID-19, or if it was in response to this Bill or the glamping proposal being pitched out of Princeville, we have been somewhat inundated with transient accommodation campsites inquiries for agricultural land this year. Dozens have come in. You all have not seen any on the Planning Commission, because every single one that has come in, quite honestly, we have meetings with them and informed them they have the right to apply, but we will be recommending denial and have explained to the applicants why. So far, all of them in hearing that have walked away and said we are not going to apply for it, but the interest and the desire and thrust of developers or operators to set up transient campgrounds on Agricultural land is a bit of an urgency now. That is why we are in agreement with the Bills. Prohibition on agricultural lands for now, but I think if there is a desire to look at farm camps, if you will, we are open to that, but there would need to be a specific set of standards under which bona fide farmers are qualifying, as opposed to non-bona fide operations coming in under the guise of farm camps. So we are opened to that, but that will take some time. COUNCIL MEETING 32 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Chock: Thank you. I want to hone in on the vehicle for that. We have a Farm Worker Housing Ordinance that is certainly something that could be looked at and revised to expand upon, but I am looking for your guidance in terms of where you see any future amendment occurring. Mr. Hull: I would say that in looking at standards, we definitely would want to look at some type of income or sale threshold to qualify farm operations, but I think a concerted effort to outreach to the farm community, to the stakeholders, particularly the farm bureau, and to work with farmers themselves to see what would meet their needs, but also hit that threshold of what will segregate a bona fide farmer operation from a "farm operation" that is really just transient accommodations. Councilmember Chock: Thank you. My last follow-up to this question is for Matt, because the interest is really, should we do it now or do we need another Bill? Obviously, Planning Director Hull is saying, "Another bill" for various reasons. Matt, you have heard some of the ideas in terms of threshold surface, would those types of amendments be substantial? In fact, if this Council at Committee decided to amend it now, it would have to go back to the Planning Commission. Mr. Bracken: It is hard to say without seeing the specific language. But from what has been said and my experience with planning contested cases in the past where we were trying to differentiate bona fide farmer versus not, I would almost support the outreach in getting good standards in there, just because I know in those contested cases that I was involved in, it was really difficult to differentiate the two (2), the standards were not in place. So I have not heard enough today, that I think would make a good amendment to differentiate the two (2) and not have substantial changes. You would really have to put the language in place before I can say for sure. Councilmember Chock: That is fair. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember DeCosta. Councilmember De Costa: I have a question for Ka`aina. We have been talking about another Bill, so we are going to make sure we are protecting our farmers. Help me, our constituents, and fellow Councilmembers understand, farmers are staying in tents to farm or ranch agricultural lands, correct? That is why they would stay in farm worker housing, whether it is a tent, a structure, or some kind of lean-to, they would be on the property to farm products or livestock, am I correct? Mr. Hull: Sorry, Councilmember, are you saying, the farmers are doing that right now or... COUNCIL MEETING 33 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember De Costa: I am trying to understand something here. I am trying to distinguish between two (2) entities that want to put tents up. To me, one (1) entity wants to live in a tent, lean-to, or some kind of structure to farm agricultural products to earn revenue for the farm owner of the land. They are not paying money to stay in that lean-to or tent, they are actually getting paid by the farmer who owns the land to farm products, am I correct? Mr. Hull: There is an array of different scenarios that we have seen worldwide in which campgrounds can also be used in farm operations. At one level they could just be used straight up for transient accommodations to supplement the farm income and the people staying in those tents are not farming whatsoever. Then there is another scenario possibly within the gradation that travelers are traveling from an area to the camp site, staying in the camp site with the expressed intent of paying that site to actually experience farming the products as part of a tourist farming attraction. Then more on the other side of the scale, you have actual travelers that may come expressly to become farm workers without paying for the experience,but they are being put up at camp sites somewhat at a temporary stay, anywhere between two (2) weeks to three (3) or four (4) months, then they return home after their experience. Then you have fully on the other side of the spectrum, tents being set up in a manner that is like a yurt or whatnot and serves as an actual housing site for habitation for farmers to stay, work, and live on the site. So there is a whole array in which tents, so to speak, can be used within a farm operation. Councilmember DeCosta: That is why we were discussing the value placed on the product that is raised on the farm versus the value that is made off of the tent and we did not want the value on the tent side to supersede the value of the agricultural product and we are going to do that in our Bill. The point I was trying to make is that on Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), it seems like these tents that are going in are more for people who want to eat and enjoy food in a glamping style instead of actually working in a garden growing lettuce or tomatoes, am I correct? Mr. Hull: It is wholescale applied to any tent site whether it is a small tent site that is very bare bones, or a high-end luxury glamping site that comes with a lot of amenities, insofar as there is a commercial compensatory aspect to it. Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you. You answered my questions. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden, then Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Cowden: I like how our dialogue is really highlighting the challenge with this Bill. Just to give a little bit of a format before I ask some questions. The challenge that I see with this Bill is it is intending to really control COUNCIL MEETING 34 OCTOBER 6, 2021 impacts of resort sprawl into land that is not intended to be a resort. That is where I see the core piece of this is. Even when we look at Open zone in a Visitor Designated Area (VDA) in Princeville, that golf course is more than just a place where you play a game, it is a retention basin for water, it is a leech area, it is a park, it is a lot of different things that was a commitment to the purchase of people around it. It was a clear function of the understanding when people are buying there. I understand and respect that goal. When you are speaking of recent applications, Director Hull, I just learned of one while at the Kilauea Neighborhood Association of a big plan in Kilauea that has come before the Planning Department, is that correct? On the Waikoa property. Mr. Hull: That inquiry has come in to the Planning Department. We met with the representative that possible proposal and at least the way it was approached with us in the manner it was presented, that was one (1) of several that we informed, if presented in this manner, which has no bona fide agricultural component to, we will be recommending denial, yes. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, that was an example of the fear. I was blown away last night when I listened to it, however well intended it was. If I looked at it, it has the potential of ten million dollars ($10,000,000) in revenue. That is a lot of lettuce that one would have to grow to make that work. Mr. Hull: That is one of many that have come in. Councilmember Cowden: I am honoring the intention that is behind this Bill to not allow that. So how do we not have collateral damage? Thank you, Councilmember DeCosta for working on something. I have been working on it for quite some time. Here are a few questions for whoever is appropriate. When I look at Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), it almost doubled down on what was in Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2822). This is stronger, because it took out organized recreation camps, which is examples that would include Boy Scout camps and summer camps. I think that is a really important application for us. I have been working with Aaron Hoff and The Keala Foundation for doing youth wellness effort. Are you familiar with his project? Can you speak for a moment how, if this passed, that it would not interrupt that, which I feel like is an incredibly important goal to keep our youth making healthy choices. I call it "prehab." Maybe they need rehabilitation or pre-habilitation. How do we keep people from being another fentanyl case? Mr. Hull: Thank you, Councilmember Cowden. Ultimately, it was the department and adopted by the Commission's recommendation, that in addition to the developed campgrounds being removed from the use table for Agricultural lands and Open lands, we also felt it necessary to, in concert with the developed campgrounds, remove "organized recreation camps." The main reason being that within the use table at the end of each section for use permits, the Planning Director is allowed to find anything similar in nature to anything listed as being able to COUNCIL MEETING 35 OCTOBER 6, 2021 be reviewed via these permit process. Could an applicant come in after the developed campgrounds have been removed and say I am not coming in for a developed campground, I am coming in for an organized recreation camp. For example, the proposal that is being looked at in Kilauea, and say, "I am not a developed campground. I am an organized recreation camp for overnight accommodations, so the Planning Department needs to accept this application." That was the main reason we removed that. When speaking about organizations, as you have mentioned Aaron Hoff, I did speak with Mr. Hoff because he did have some concerns. My understanding is that he does have plans for a youth recreation camp site for at-risk youth. My understanding with his proposal is that he is not charging any of the individuals or families that will be staying at that site. If there is no commercial aspect to it, if it is not being done for compensatory purposes, then it is just an accessory use and that is outright permitted, so they can do that with a ministerial over-the-counter permit as it is today. Whether it is Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, youth camps, grammar group for all we know, staying overnight on Agricultural Open lands, if there is no compensation or commercial aspect to it, that is outright permissible today. Councilmember Cowden: I want to make sure that ten (10) years down the road that what we have would be right. I am asking your direction. I have two (2) different ideas to help the vulnerable communities that I am going to maybe try to get with an amendment. When I look at his piece that says there is no compensation monetary or otherwise, now this is being funded by a nonprofit. I imagine if there are wealthy parents wanting to help their kids, they can donate to that nonprofit, but we have to figure out how. I will be coming to you asking, but I am asking right now, if there is a way to add more wording in here that could say, what is acceptable would be nonprofit applications for community enrichment like residential community enrichment, because when we just talked about housing and keeping our children healthy or anyone healthy not just kids, it could be U-turn for Christ. (Councilmember Chock was noted as not present.) Councilmember Cowden: We have camps that are dedicated to the health renewal or the empowerment of our people, I do not want to accidentally create something that a predatory landowner next to it can file a complaint about and put those people into some sort of legal battle. Can you think of any wording we could add here, whether it is developed or undeveloped that would be able to support a program like Keala Foundation or U-turn for Christ or any other type of program? Council Chair Kaneshiro: This is only for first reading now, if you want to think about it, I would say, you and Councilmember Cowden can think about it and come up with some type of wording that might satisfy what Councilmember Cowden is trying to do and bring it as an amendment, but you do not need to answer or come up with something on the fly right now in first reading. COUNCIL MEETING 36 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Cowden: I have been sending questions to him ahead of time, so it is probably not that surprising. Another question similar that you can answer later or now, when we look at developed campgrounds, I am wondering if we can add something in that has a term like farm worker campgrounds, because I am in agreement with hearing that intention along the spectrum. We also do not want slumlords on agriculture property. (Councilmember Chock was noted as present.) Councilmember Cowden: Some people might have compensated yurts and things like that. That is not the intention to turn properties into that. He said you do not have to answer, but do you have an answer or do you want to wait on whether we can amend without needing a new bill for either the nonprofit or farm application. Mr. Hull: We can look into the nonprofit and how that can be phrased, but as far as the farm worker campground site, we are open to it, it is just we believe very specific standards need to be set in there. I think that Mr. Bracken was alluding to is a fairly salient point in that several years ago we received a slew of homestay or bed and breakfast applications on agricultural lands while the County was looking at closing that loophole, and several of them had what the Department felt was subpar or no Agricultural activity going on the property. So we recommended in some cases denial or saying, "If you are going to do this, you need to bring the farm sale amount higher than the transient accommodation amount." We thought that was a fair recommendation to put in, a fair condition of approval, and ultimately, the hearings officer overruled that recommendation saying, no, County of Kaua`i Planning Department, you do not have a specific set of standards on thresholds for income of agricultural sales, therefore you cannot impose that restriction. If we are looking at farm campsites, we are open to the possibility, but we need a very specific set of standards that is going to take time to vet through various agricultural and farmer organizations to get those standards up. So that is why I feel it would be appropriate to spin up another bill and let this Bill work its way through right now with you folks, because of the fact that we are facing a bit of a wave of applications. Councilmember Cowden: I accept that. When you spoke about the Hawai`i Farm Bureau, can you also include the Hawai`i Farmers Union United,because those tend to address two (2) different types of farms. There is overlap for sure, but the farm bureau has been more of a traditional larger farms that can generate more money, oftentimes with an export crop, so those farms can afford to rent existing housing for their transient farmers that come in, where if you are selling salad greens or green onions. You have to have so much workers that are not machines and there is not much money. I think that really needs a separate type of consideration, because those things are more of a way of life and an intention to support our sustainability as an island, than to be able to be an export crop. We would have to look at how we would handle that, but I want to also say, when people come for two (2)weeks to three (3) months, are COUNCIL MEETING 37 OCTOBER 6, 2021 you aware that when people look to get a two-week employee, very often they want a two (2) or three-year employee. It is like a test case when people come. They do not want to be rolling people over, because they start weeding the desired crop. They do not know what they are doing. It is a liability as much as it is a benefit. I just want to make sure that we have that understanding, so you understand the unique needs of diversified crops for local consumption is different than a bigger agricultural export product. Mr. Hull: Yes. Councilmember Cowden: You can include Hawai`i Farmers Union United. Mr. Hull: Yes. Council Chair Kaneshiro: We are coming to a caption break. I know Councilmember Evslin has a question when we get back. 10-minute caption break. There being no objections, the meeting recessed at 10:39 a.m. The meeting reconvened at 10:52 a.m., and proceeded as follows: Council Chair Kaneshiro: Welcome back. We are still on Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838). While the rules are still suspended, our next question is from Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Evslin: Matt, are you here? Mr. Bracken: Yes. Councilmember Evslin: I have a quick question for Matt, and then a few follow-up questions for Ka`aina. While I think this Bill is clearly intended to look at the broader concern of developed campgrounds on Agriculture- and Open-zoned lands islandwide, the clear "elephant in the room" is the well-publicized fact that there is a current corporation submitting for a Use Permit application for a "glamping" project in Princeville. If they submit a Use Permit application before this Bill potentially is passed and signed into law, could you walk us through whether an applicant has vested rights in uses of the property and based on that, would the application be considered based on the law as it exists now or based on the law as it potentially would exist if this Bill passes? Mr. Bracken: Potentially, if this Bill were to pass and an application was in-place, the Planning Department or Planning Commission could rely on the current law as it is now, or the new law. To rely on the new law they would have to go through an analysis. It is a vested right equitable estoppel analysis. COUNCIL MEETING 38 OCTOBER 6, 2021 It is kind of a blend of the two (2). To apply the new law, there would have to be an equitable estoppel analysis. What equitable estoppel is or in this context we are talking about zoning estoppel. To define that, it is a legal doctrine that allows a landowner based on the landowner's reasonable and substantial reliance on the government's original position to proceed with the development despite the change in government's position of making the development illegal. The theory itself focuses on equity and fairness. The Supreme Court has established a framework or a test to apply this theory. Some of the things that you will have to look at...or we would have to look at is have they received official assurances that what they are doing is in compliance with the current zoning, have they taken good faith actions towards whatever it is they are proposing, what kind of financial investments they have made into the pending application, and whether the landowner had the right to rely on these additional assurances. There is a four-part test that would have to be applied to any specific situation with any permit in-process. With that specific one, you would have to apply an equitable estoppel analysis or the zoning estoppel analysis to determine which law to apply. At this point in time, I cannot really say which one would apply. To apply the new law, we would have to go through this analysis though. Councilmember Evslin: I have more questions, but if she has a follow-up... Councilmember Cowden: I have a follow-up. I want to just speak to this "elephant in the room." That application that includes...and I know it is not limited to...but includes high-end camping on the Woods Course in Princeville, has that application been successfully submitted? Mr. Bracken: Yes. Councilmember Cowden: What date was that submitted on? Mr. Bracken: I actually do not have that information. I did receive a copy of the application this morning. Councilmember Cowden: I think it might have been September 16th. It might be that Ka`aina knows. Mr. Hull: Yes, Councilmember Cowden, it was...I believe it was September 16th or I may be off a day or two. I will have to check on that. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, so if this application that includes resort camping on Open Space in Princeville was submitted a few weeks ago, would COUNCIL MEETING 39 OCTOBER 6, 2021 that application have to be analyzed in terms of what the law was at the time of submission or at the time of when it is determined at the end? Mr. Bracken: That is when the zoning estoppel analysis would come into play, right? If this Bill is passed before the application process is complete, then we would have to do a zoning estoppel analysis to see if the new law could be applied or if under the fairness and equitability analysis, we would have to apply the old law. An analysis would have to occur... Councilmember Cowden: Who does the analysis? Mr. Bracken: That would have to be the Planning Department in consultation with my Office. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, so Planning Director Hull, where do you see or where would you anticipate this to be working? I had sent some questions in and I appreciate the answers that you have given me. It seems like what I am hearing from Mr. Bracken is a little different from what I interpreted was your answer before. Mr. Hull: I can say, I made a number of statements to the public on the record and in an official forum that it would have to be reviewed under the old standard and that was going off of a County Attorney advisement when we did the homestay operations and there was a Homestay Bill to prohibit them and a bunch of applications came in. I think what the County Attorney is saying is that technically, we have to look at each case scenario to see if we can make an analysis under a new law that has been adopted subsequent to the application being accepted. One, I have not fully vetted the application under the proposed ordinance that you folks have here. I think that we can only really truly make that estoppel analysis in the event that Council actually takes action on an ordinance. To me, this is still just a proposal, right? Councilmember Cowden: Correct. It sounds like there is a gray area. Just so I am clear, if there was an adaptation and amendment that made it very specific about nonprofit actions or intentions, that does not have any impact on the "elephant in the room," right, which is the existing application? Whatever we finish here and probably the earliest we could do it would probably be in December, right? Did you say early December? I think our timeline would be two (2) months, if this went to a contested case hearing, that is almost certain that that would do it. It still does not matter in terms of the estoppel. They would still be deciding or at least contemplating what was the law on September 16th. Mr. Bracken: The existence of a contested case really would not impact the estoppel analysis. The estoppel analysis would come into play as soon COUNCIL MEETING 40 OCTOBER 6, 2021 as this Bill is passed. That is when the analysis would have to occur. That is when we have to balance the equities of fairness and kind of look at what they have invested, and that sort of thing to determine which law would apply. Councilmember Cowden: I have one last question on this. This is my first time hearing this phrase "estoppel analysis." I was not aware of it. When we look at the investment, the developer is going to invest considerable moneys in legal fees and planning efforts. There has been a lot of money going in, but it has been opposed almost since it was proposed. This has been a point of conflict. If people spend a lot of money between then and now, even though they knew they might be fighting it, that would seem unfair if they can say, "Well, we have spend two million dollars ($2,000,000) in trying to make this reality happen, so now we have to go back to what was in place on September 16th." The reason why I am pushing this so hard is because the urgency on this Bill was largely around this particular project. I want to make sure that we do not go through all of this work rapidly and it does not even make any difference. Mr. Bracken: I think the intent of the Bill is an overarching Bill. It does not apply to just one (1) property. It will have a significant impact for the entire island at some point in time. The estoppel analysis, that can be done at any point. The application has been received and it is something that I can look at. The difficulty in the estoppel analysis and why you look at the balance of fairness aspect is, can they reasonably rely on the existence of the current zoning and then make investments based on that? At this point the analysis has not been done. That is why I am saying that either can be applied. The analysis does need to be done at some point. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Evslin: The urgency of the Bill certainly...I think the current unpublicized Use Permit application in Princeville was certainly what gave rise to this potential concern. The urgency is islandwide. As Ka`aina said, they are being inundated with permits. I think everyone has seen the "light go on" on agricultural land that this is a possibility. It is certainly much broader than this specific application. Ka`aina, I had a couple of questions which have come up in testimony and other community concerns. One, as this Bill would potentially impact people's ability to house homeless individuals on their properties...if someone were trying to get a Use Permit to build some type of houseless facility or tent site for displaced people, is "developed campgrounds" as it is currently defined, a mechanism for them to do that, or would they have to go through separate mechanisms? COUNCIL MEETING 41 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Mr. Hull: How do I put this...To take care of say the houseless population, insofar as it is a program that is not charging individuals to stay say at tent sites, then this would not be applicable. Councilmember Evslin: Is there any way that someone could use the current definition of"developed campgrounds" to make some type of houseless facility if there was some charging? Mr. Hull: In theory, possibly. Today, yes. The "developed campground" is used much more as a transitory facility, right? The houseless population having, what I think you are getting at Councilmember Evslin, is more of a habitation site. Where the County runs into issues with people using tent sites for habitation purposes is not so much that we are against using tents for habitation...individuals can use yurts or what have you to their heart's content and we are totally fine with that...it is just that the rub often comes with the sanitation and infrastructure facilities that are necessary for habitation sites. Councilmember Evslin: As it relates to agricultural workers and I know we talked about this some already, are there any people hosting transient agricultural workers or even longer term agricultural workers that have applied for a "developed campground" permit? Mr. Hull: No. There may be that occurring today, but as far as coming in for actual applications with the Planning Department, we have not seen it. Councilmember Evslin: I think I have heard us discussing unintended consequences...do you feel as if there are potential unintended consequences related to the ability to house homeless people or for agricultural workers or farmers trying to house workers? Or would those traditionally be done through other mechanisms? Mr. Hull: I think that can be are done through different mechanisms. Councilmember Evslin: Okay, thank you, Ka`aina. Mr. Hull: Sorry. With the houseless issue, there are specific mechanisms that can be used such as a 201H-process, which can essentially go over the zoning requirements. To go back to the original discussion with Councilmember Cowden and Council Vice Chair Chock concerning the farming aspect, it would in theory possibly shut down some of those proposals coming in should the bona fide farm operation want to submit it after this Bill is adopted. I think that another mechanism can be spun up. There are Councilmembers that have COUNCIL MEETING 42 OCTOBER 6, 2021 been engaging the Department in looking at and crafting a vehicle separate and apart from this Bill to funnel those applications for bona fide farm operations. Councilmember Evslin: Thank you. I just want to add that I one hundred percent (100%) support those efforts. These questions are more about impacting those that are currently hosting woofers and others that they rely on these workers for their farms and to ensure that they are not being impacted by this current Bill. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: Thank you for raising both of those issues, Councilmember Evslin, because those are absolutely concerns of mine. I have been pushing on the farmers for years even from before being elected about the need to be in a permitted situation. I would say there is a collective fear and not wanting to draw attention to what is happening. That is why there is so much silence and lack of financial capacity to be able to submit appropriate plans and how to do it the right way. There are economic barriers for farming, but also when we look at the houseless situation and creating permanent housing types of circumstances, as I have brought to you, part of the thing would be trying to create...and Councilmember Kuali`i was with me...we want sustainable houseless communities, they would not be unhoused any longer, but would be agriculture in nature. It would be that they would all be financially contributing a little bit. They would be basically contributing together to be paying their land taxes, insurance, et cetera. Part of that whole goal is to move people off of public assistance and to become self-sufficient. If they were contributing to their organized, excuse me, not organized...to developed campgrounds, because they need the toilets and water, when they are contributing, then would that be considered compensation? Because we have this word "transient," would that be removing them from that? When there is compensation, monetary or otherwise, but they are not transient, maybe they would not be set aside by this Bill? Is that too complicated? Mr. Hull: I would have to look into that further, Councilmember. Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I do not want to be "hitting a half-inch nail with a sledgehammer." We want to make sure that we stop the exploitation of camping on lands, but not stop holistic healthy application on agricultural lands. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions from the Members? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: COUNCIL MEETING 43 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any final discussion? Councilmember DeCosta. Councilmember DeCosta: I am going to say this because I believe fair representation among all of our constituents is important. I know that Council Chair Kaneshiro and I spoke a little bit about this with the new vision that Gay & Robinson might want to go with the agricultural development or vision. I am hoping that Ka`aina, we can put something in place that these agriculture companies can successfully grow agricultural products and yet entertain agrotourism if they need to stay afloat with the amount of land taxes that they have to pay, especially when a landowner is as large as Gay & Robinson. I just wanted to put that out there. I believe that we should discuss that further with Ka`aina, so we have that in our best interest. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Evslin: Sorry, I should have done this at the start. I do have a housekeeping amendment. Councilmember Evslin moved to amend Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), as circulated, and as shown in the Floor Amendment, which is attached hereto, seconded by Councilmember Kuali`i. Councilmember Evslin: The amendment deletes the second half of the Bill as it relates to vacation rentals. The Planning Commission took out the language that we had changed which is why the whole second half was in there. We had some language which said, "Transient Vacation Rentals (TVRs) are prohibited on Agricultural or Open land..."; that language was removed. This is just removing the rest of the unchanged language in the second half of the Bill. There are no substantial changes at all. It is just deleting unchanged language. Councilmember Cowden: Where? Councilmember Evslin: It is all of this language that is included in the Bill. You see here, there are three (3)pages of language as it relates to existing things within the CZO that relates to vacation rentals. Since there are no more changes anymore, there is no reason to include that in the Bill. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: Can I ask Matt Bracken or Ka`aina if we remove this, would that be fine or does it have to go across the street again? Is this fine? Is this a housekeeping amendment in your eyes? COUNCIL MEETING 44 OCTOBER 6, 2021 There being no objections the rules were suspended. Mr. Bracken: Yes. It can be removed. Councilmember Cowden: Okay. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any additional questions on the amendment? There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows: Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion on the amendment? The motion to amend Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), as circulated, and as shown in the Floor Amendment, which is attached hereto was then put, and unanimously carried. Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried and the amendment passes. Does anyone else have any final discussion? Councilmember Cowden. Councilmember Cowden: I appreciate everyone, certainly the people in the Planning Department and all of my colleagues. It sounds like we are all working on a similar goal. I am wondering and formally asking in whatever way I have to formally ask, but I want it on the record...if we can do something like a workshop piece in a Committee Meeting coming up such that we can openly be talking about our ideas. You just said what your ideas were...Councilmember Kuali`i and I have some half-done ideas. I know that I have looked at farm ideas. When we have to do things on faith and trust in the future, and just hope that our colleagues come up with something that will be good, I think it would be nice...I think it would be more than nice, but I think it is essential for us to develop good policy, in that we allow for an open discussion on what ideas we would have for addressing this. Can we please do that? Council Chair Kaneshiro: I would say that preparing an amendment and getting an amendment on the floor is the arena for us to address any discussion on any items you want to amend into the Bill. Councilmember Cowden: We are saying when there is going to be parallel work...part of the question that has come up is that okay, there is another way to handle it...when we pass something, but that other way of handling it does not manifest, then that is a problem. I would like to make sure that we do a little bit of concurrent work. If people's ideas are not developed enough, we can share those COUNCIL MEETING 45 OCTOBER 6, 2021 ideas so it would not be on this particular Bill, it would be an agenda item in addition to this particular Bill so that we can have a holistic conversation. Council Chair Kaneshiro: So the workshop would not be in relation to this Bill? Councilmember Cowden: It would be in relation to this Bill and others. It could be an adaptation of farm worker housing or however we can do it. As we are being told there are other ways we can address the developed campgrounds on agricultural land. How do I know what they are before we close the door on allowing it? I definitely would like to close the door on exploiting it, but I do not want to close the door on finding a concurrent solution. Even having a discussion where we could see where we are at... Council Chair Kaneshiro: Typically if there are other avenues that you would want to pursue, you would speak with the Planning Department or whoever the person is and decide whether it is something you would amend in this Bill or if it is something that would be brought up in a new bill. That is where the discussion would happen. Councilmember Cowden: I am hearing that your answer is no. Why that is frustrating is... Council Chair Kaneshiro: No, to? Councilmember Cowden: That is frustrating because I have done that. I have been doing that and I have been asking these questions. It takes all of us to be able to...it is not just an individual and the Planning Department through an amendment. It would be nice to know what we are all thinking so we can all figure something out together. It seems like we should be able to do that. Council Chair Kaneshiro: We can and it is through you bringing up a bill or an amendment and everyone discussing that. Councilmember Cowden: Okay, I am accepting your answer as no, but I am still going to ask for it. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Okay, I am not exactly sure what you are asking for but...I am saying that is where the discussion happens. The discussion happens here on the floor based on the Sunshine Law. If you want to discuss a bill or if you have a change to this current Bill...or if there is another way you want to address housing or farm worker housing, then you discuss it with the appropriate departments, you come up with a bill, and you bring it onto the floor. That is typically how you do it. COUNCIL MEETING 46 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember Cowden: When we do that, we have poor policy development, because it has to then work around the last piece instead of having it holistically developed together. He is bringing something up that is important to him that is relative to...I guess if I am hearing you, visitors on the land. If he is working on something and you are working on something, it is important to know what it is as we are going through all of this. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Okay. I guess we can agree to disagree. Ultimately, we are here to pass the best bill that we can. If we are not comfortable with the bill or the way it is, then you ask for a deferral or you vote no on it, or you do something else. That is typically how we do it. We are not here to just pass anything. If you feel like a discussion on a certain item did not happen for you to feel comfortable with the bill, then maybe ask for a deferral or come up with amendment for everyone to discuss on what change is you would like to see. That is typically the process for that. Historically, I have not seen us do workshops to work on a bill. Councilmember Cowden: It would be a workshop to work on a concept. The challenge that we have here is that we have a bill that is intending to stop exploitation of these different land uses, but it is intended to pass simply, and it does not address these special needs. We are all saying we are going to do something later. I do not want to do something now, when later never comes. At least in my three (3) years, I have experienced quite a bit when later never comes. Council Chair Kaneshiro: I think later falls on the responsibility of a Councilmember. If there is something you do not agree with in the Bill, then again, you speak with the department heads or you come up with your own bill. You speak to the staff and come up with an amendment or with a new bill. That is when later happens. If there are issues that you have that never makes it back to the floor, then we are never going to see it. Councilmember DeCosta: May I shed a little bit of light? Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember DeCosta. Councilmember DeCosta: I would like to maybe collaborate so maybe we can come up with something. I think Ka`aina is onboard to address via an amendment or a new bill to address some of the concerns in this fruitful conversation. I think we did have a fruitful conversation today. We know what we need to fix and how we want to go with it. Councilmember Cowden: You have already spoken to Council Chair Kaneshiro and I have already spoken to Councilmember Kuali`i, so you and I cannot speak. COUNCIL MEETING 47 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Councilmember DeCosta: Okay. Councilmember Cowden: Those are the rules and that is what I am trying to get past. If he and I are working on something and you two are working on something, there might be other people working on things. We might each have a kernel that is good, and the way it works when we put an amendment out is we have to decide if we pass that. Whoever gets theirs in first or when do we come back, it just is not a practical way of dealing with something of such importance. Councilmember DeCosta: I think the Council Chair has a really good point that we have the Sunshine Law and this is how the process works. I think if you and Councilmember Kuali`i introduce your proposal, we would be very much open for the discussion and more things could happen at that point. Councilmember Cowden: The workshop is the way that we go around it. That is how we go around it and he is saying no to the workshop. Council Chair Kaneshiro: I am not trying to go around the Sunshine Law. Councilmember Cowden: A workshop does not go around the Sunshine Law, it is how the Sunshine Law can work. I am getting that I am getting told no, and I have someone shaking his head right next to me. I am disappointed and I am going to be clear about that. That is how we make the best choices; when we can have a holistic conversation instead of sequential amendments that are not able to consider the other possibilities. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Council Vice Chair Chock. Councilmember Chock: I am going to push back a little bit on it. I am not averse to workshops, in fact I had a workshop here at this body. I do think that a workshop is broad in nature and something that I think we can include a wide variety of stakeholders in the process. I think it becomes problematic, at least from my standpoint, as it relates to specific legislation...right now we have a Bill on the table. The process that we have outlined is that we can all...each one of us can come up with an amendment and bring it to the table. While you are correct, we take those amendments individually, that does not mean that you cannot speak to, once an amendment is introduced, to what it is you are moving towards so that there is an avenue for us to discuss what it is we might be able to change. That is where the work happens. That is why it is focused work. I just want to kind of highlight the intention of the workshop versus the intention of the process that we have for bill-making. I support that. My only closing comments as this goes to Committee is that as these amendments come forth, you vet them with our County Attorney. I think there is a strong interest to move this Bill through, so do not lose sight of how COUNCIL MEETING 48 OCTOBER 6, 2021 it is you want to achieve the outcomes, it is just where do we get it done...within this Bill or not. I think we want to get this Bill passed. That is all. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin. Councilmember Evslin: This is our final discussion on the Bill itself, correct? Council Chair Kaneshiro: Yes. Councilmember Evslin: To address Councilmember Cowden's concerns, I hear you and I appreciate that I think in a lot of this conversation you could see the "flowers blossoming" and these ideas blossoming in different directions. I think that is great. You had Councilmember DeCosta discussing his, and you discussed yours. I think the process that we have in place, as Council Chair and Council Vice Chair said, is to work with the subject matter experts at the Planning Department to try to figure out what really could work. I think that some of that relates to how to define a real farm and there is going to be a ton of work with the Farm Bureau and other stakeholders that is going to have to happen outside of this body here. I think the workshop is a little bit of a way to get around the Sunshine Law if you are trying to throw out ideas to get support from other Councilmembers. I do not think that is necessarily a great way to utilize a workshop. The broad intention of this Bill is to recognize the current definition of"developed campgrounds" allows uses that are unintended and were not...whoever originally framed that definition in the CZO had never thought of "glamping." Twenty (20) years ago probably none of us would have ever thought of"glamping," but clearly it leaves the door wide open to uses on Agriculture and Open land that are not ideal, especially at a time when we are overcapacity for tourism and when we have a General Plan and a Kaua`i Tourism Strategic Plan that all say we need to better manage our tourist industry and better control the growth of the industry. It looks clear, and let us close this door and take the time to figure things out right. I am optimistic that the work that you are going to do and the work that Councilmember DeCosta is going to do, and the work that we are all going to do behind the scenes with the Planning Department will hopefully allow us to figure out some way to open up some doors to legit farmers to certainly house agricultural workers in a legal way and possibly open the door in a limited fashion for legit farmers to have limited tourism activities on their land. This is not just overnight accommodations, but tourism activities in general are difficult to do on agricultural land and we need to do more to support our real farmers. I think there is a lot of work to do going forward in a lot of different directions. The legislative process as we have it works to help encourage those types of different ideas to blossom. I am looking forward to seeing what you all come up with and I appreciate the dialogue that we had here. I think we talked about it for almost two (2) hours and I am sure we will talk about it more in Committee. We are going in-depth into a lot of these important issues. COUNCIL MEETING 49 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Council Chair Kaneshiro: Does anyone else have any final discussion? Councilmember Carvalho. Councilmember Carvalho: I support the idea of a workshop. I think workshops are great and it promotes dialogue to come up with good results. In this particular discussion, I think there are different ways to get to the same result. I believe it can be done through an amendment. I understand what Councilmember Cowden is asking. At the same time, there is a process that we need to continue to work on. This discussion here is very important for setting the pace for our island. Once we get our individual communication across the street or whatever we have to do, then come back and discuss it, I think that is the result of that from my understanding and in working together. We can get to the same result in that way. I just wanted to share that. Thank you. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Does anyone else have any discussion? For me, this is only first reading. This Bill has to go to a public hearing, it has to go to Committee, so there is time to work on amendments. Really, the way to do it is you really focus in on what it is that you are trying to accomplish in the Bill. If you are trying to help farmers out, then you focus on that, you speak with the department head, you speak with the appropriate people, you speak with Matt or the attorneys, then you come up with a bill or amendment that tries to satisfy what you are focusing on. They may say that it may be too big of a change and it needs to be its own bill or they may say, "No, we can work it in as an amendment here," but that is where you do the work. You focus on that, you create an amendment or bill and it comes up for discussion here on the floor. That is how it works. It is not through a workshop. It is through focusing on what you want to accomplish with the bill and either coming up with an amendment or another bill on it. From there, more conversations might be spurred and someone else might want to do a different amendment or something similar. That is how we do it in the confines of the Council. Is there any further discussion from anyone? Again, this is first reading. (Written testimony was received and registered speakers testified regarding this agenda item.) The motion for passage of Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), as amended, on first reading, that is be ordered to print, that a public hearing thereon be scheduled for November 3, 2021, and that it be referred to the Planning Committee was then put, and carried by the following vote: FOR PASSAGE: Carvalho, Chock, Cowden, DeCosta, Evslin, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 7, AGAINST PASSAGE: None TOTAL— 0, EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0, RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0. COUNCIL MEETING 50 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Seven (7) ayes. BILL FOR SECOND READING: Bill No. 2830 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 3, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2830 on second and final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Does anyone have any questions? If not, does anyone have any final discussion? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to approve Bill No. 2830 on second and final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the following vote: FOR APPROVAL: Carvalho, Chock, Cowden, DeCosta, Evslin, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL — 7, AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL— 0, EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0, RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0. Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Seven (7) ayes. Council Chair Kaneshiro: Please read us into Executive Session, which we will take at the end of the day. EXECUTIVE SESSION: ES-1061 Pursuant to Hawai`i Revised Statutes (HRS) Sections 92-4, 92-5(a)(4), and Kaua`i County Charter Section 3.07(E), the Office of the County Attorney requests an Executive Session with the Council to provide the Council with a briefing and request for settlement authority in the matter of Matthew Mannisto, Esq., as Personal Representative of the Estate of Leslie Gae Lutao, Deceased, et al. vs. County of Kaua`i, et al., Civil No. 19-1-0107 JKW (Fifth Circuit Court), and related matters. This briefing and consultation involves the consideration of the powers, duties, privileges, immunities, and/or liabilities of the Council and the County as they relate to this agenda item. Councilmember Chock moved to convene into Executive Session for ES-1061, seconded by Councilmember Kuali`i. COUNCIL MEETING 51 OCTOBER 6, 2021 Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or discussion from the Members? May I have a roll call vote to go into Executive Session? (No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.) The motion to convene into Executive Session for ES-1061 was then put, and carried by the following vote: FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION: Carvalho, Chock, Cowden, DeCosta Evslin, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 7, AGAINST EXECUTIVE SESSION: None TOTAL— 0, EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0, RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0. Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Seven (7) ayes. Council Chair Kaneshiro That concludes the business on our agenda. Not seeing or hearing any objections, this Council Meeting is now adjourned. ADJOURNMENT. There being no further business, the Council Meeting adjourned at 11:31 a.m. • I ectfully submitted, at JAD . FOUNTAIN-TANIGAWA County Clerk •jy Attachment (October 6, 2021) FLOOR AMENDMENT Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838), Relating to Transient Accommodations Introduced by: LUKE A. EVSLIN, Councilmember Amend Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838) by deleting SECTION 8 in its entirety as follows and renumbering all subsequent SECTIONS accordingly. [SECTION 8. Chapter 8, Article 17, Kaua`i County Code 1987, as amended, is hereby amended as follows: "ARTICLE 17. TIME SHARING AND TRANSIENT VACATION RENTALS Sec. 8-17.1 Limitations on Location. Except as provided in this Section, time share units, time share plans, and transient vacation rentals are prohibited. Sec. 8-17.2 Permitted Time Share Locations. Subject to the limitations contained in Secs. 8-17.4 and 8-17.5, time share units and time share plans are allowed: (a) In hotels in Resort or Commercial Districts; and (b) In the Resort RR-10 and RR-20 Districts and Multi-Family R-10 and R-20 Residential Districts when such districts are located within the Visitor Destination Areas of Po`ipu, Lihu`e, Wailua Kapa'a or Princeville, as more particularly designated on County of Kaua`i Visitor Destination Area maps attached to Ordinance No. 436 and incorporated herein by reference. The boundary lines established on these visitor destination maps shall be transferred onto the Official Zoning Maps for reference purposes. (c) Time share units and time share plans are prohibited in the R-1, R-2, R-4 and R-6 Residential Districts. Sec. 8-17.3 Permitted Locations for Multi-Family Transient Vacation Rentals. Subject to the limitations contained in Sec. 8-17.5, multi-family transient vacation rentals are allowed: (a) In hotels in Resort or Commercial Districts; and (b) In Resort Districts and Residential Districts within the visitor destination areas as more particularly designated on County of Kaua`i Zoning Maps. Sec. 8-17.4 Time Sharing in Projects Located Within Visitor Destination Areas and Hotels in Resort or Commercial Districts. If the project in which the time share unit or time share plan is to be created contains an existing time share unit or time share plan, then time share units and plans shall be regulated according to the terms of the project instruments. If the project in which the time share unit or time share plan is to be created is not a hotel and does not contain time share units or time share plans, then such use may be created only if such use is explicitly and prominently authorized by the project instruments, or the project instruments are amended by unanimous vote of the unit owners to explicitly and prominently authorize time sharing. Provided, however, that time share units and time share plans permitted under this Section shall be limited to the Visitor Destination Areas described in Sec. 8-17.2, and to hotels in Resort or Commercial Districts. 1 Sec. 8-17.5 Existing Time Share and Multi-Family Transient Vacation Rental Uses. (a) Time Share Units, Time Share Plans, and Multi-Family Transient Vacation Rentals Existing On or Before September 22, 1982, That Are Not Located in Visitor Destination Areas. Time share units, time share plans, or multi-family vacation rentals existing on or before September 22, 1982 that are not located within the visitor destination areas described in Sec. 8-17.2 may continue as allowed uses. However, no additional time share units, time share plans, or multi-family transient vacation rentals outside the visitor destination area shall be created after September 22, 1982. The uses left unimpaired by this Subsection shall not be lost by the failure to exercise the use unless it clearly appears that the use has been abandoned for a period in excess of two (2) years. This Subsection shall not apply to hotels in Resort or Commercial Districts. (b) Time Share Units, Time Share Plans, and Transient Vacation Rentals in Projects Located Within Visitor Destination Areas Existing On or Before September 22, 1982. Time share units and time share plans in projects existing on or before September 22, 1982, and located within areas described in Sec. 8-17.3 shall be regulated in accordance with the provisions of Sec. 8-17.4. Sec. 8-17.6 Penalty. An owner of any unit which is operated in violation of this Article, and/or any other person, firm, company, association, partnership or corporation violating any provision of this Article, shall each be fined not less than five hundred dollars ($500.00) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00) for each offense. This civil fine may be in addition to any criminal fines. If any person fails to cease such violation within one (1) month, such person shall be subject to a new and separate violation for each day the violation continues to exist. (a) Actions by County Attorney. The County Attorney may file a civil action to enjoin any violation of this Article and collect any penalties provided for by this Article. (b) Disposition of Fines. All fines imposed for violations of this Article shall be paid to the Director of Finance to the credit of the Development Fund. Sec. 8-17.7 Amendments to Visitor Destination Areas Designations. Amendments to the location and/or boundaries of the Visitor Destination Areas shall be made in accordance with the amendment provisions of Sec. 8-3.4 of this Chapter 8, provided that the burden of proof rests with the applicant to show upon the clear preponderance of the evidence that the amendment is reasonable. The criteria for evaluating such proposed amendments shall be as follows: (a) The proposed amendment is consistent with the General Plan and the Development Plan. (b) The parcel or parcels to be affected by the proposed amendment are suitable for Visitor Destination Area uses. (c) The availability of existing public services and facilities in the affected areas and whether the requested public services and facilities for the proposed change in use can be met without undue burden. (d) The proposed change will conflict with other existing uses in the affected area. (e) The proposed change will cause or result in unreasonable air, noise, or water pollution, or will adversely affect irreplaceable natural resources. (fj The affected areas contain or are in close proximity to other areas that contain: (1) Large numbers of hotel and/or multiple family dwelling units suitable as accommodations by temporary visitors. 2 (2) Lands designated for Resort Use on the General Plan or having Resort zoning. (3) Outdoor or commercial recreational facilities, such as beaches, golf courses, tennis courts and other similar facilities. (4) Tourist related commercial facilities, such as gift shops, food stores, recreational equipment and services shops, tour and transportation service terminals, restaurants, bars, night clubs, cabarets, shopping centers, theaters, auditoriums, and other similar facilities. (g) The proposed change will include or adversely affect predominantly residential neighborhoods. Sec. 8-17.8 Single Family Transient Vacation Rentals. (a) Notwithstanding any underlying zoning designation and with the exception of properties on the National or State Register of Historic Places, single family transient vacation rentals are prohibited in all areas not designated as Visitor Destination Areas. (b) Development Standards for Single Family Vacation Rentals Permitted Within Visitor Destination Areas and Holders of Nonconforming Use Certificates. Development standards shall be the same as those for single family detached dwellings in Secs. 8-4.5 through 8-4.8, inclusive, with the following additions: (1) Applicant for a single family transient vacation rental shall designate a contact person or owner's representative who shall be available on a twenty-four (24) hour, seven (7) days-per-week basis. Applicant shall provide the name and contact information to neighbors adjacent to and directly across subject vacation rental, the Planning Department, the Kauai Police Department, the Kaua`i Civil Defense Agency, and the Kauai Visitors Bureau upon issuance of a nonconforming use certificate or registration number. Owner is responsible for keeping information updated with all agencies. (2) One (1) outdoor sign no larger than one (1) square foot shall be posted in a visible place on a wall, fence, or post immediately inside or on the front boundary of the property where it is easy to see, for the purpose of providing the current Nonconforming Use Certificate number or the Registration Number and the 24/7 phone number. No other signs shall be allowed and there shall be no direct illumination of the required sign. The numbers on the sign shall be no smaller than two (2) inches in height. (3) The applicant shall provide a list of requirements and information entitled "For the Safety and Comfort of You and Your Neighbors." This shall provide essential information to the visitor and shall seek to reduce negative impacts on the surrounding neighborhood. This information piece shall be provided to the Planning Department at time of application and shall be posted in a conspicuous place in the guest's sleeping quarters along with a copy of the Nonconforming Use Certificate or the Registration Number, whichever the case may be and if required. The list shall include, but not be limited to, suggested curfews, guidance with respect to the character of the neighborhood and gatherings and noise, and what to do in cases of emergency and natural disaster. (4) All print and internet advertising for single family vacation rentals, including listings with a rental service or real estate firm, shall include the Nonconforming Use Certificate or the Registration Number. (5) A copy of the Nonconforming Use Certificate or the Registration Number, where required, shall be displayed in the back of the front door of the sleeping quarters. (6) A site and floor plan shall be filed with the application. 3 Sec. 8-17.9 Registration of All Transient Vacation Rentals. (a) All single family transient vacation rentals, excluding, however, a time share unit in a time share plan subject to Chapter 514E of the Hawai`i Revised Statutes, as amended, lawfully existing in Visitor Destination Areas on March 7, 2008 shall register with the Director of Finance on a form prescribed by the Director of Finance no later than one hundred eighty (180) days after March 7, 2008. Any new single family transient vacation rental, excludes, however, a time share unit in a time share plan subject to Chapter 514E of the Hawai`i Revised Statutes, as amended, established in Visitor Destination Areas subsequent to March 7, 2008 shall register with the Director of Finance prior to any such use of said rental. All single family transient vacation rental uses will be subject to Kaua`i County Code Title III, Chapter 5A. (b) No single family transient vacation rental shall operate outside a Visitor Destination Area without a Nonconforming Use Certificate obtained under Sec. 8-13.10. Sec. 8-17.10 Nonconforming Use Certificates for Single Family Vacation Rentals. (a) The purpose of this Section is to provide a process to identify and register those single family transient vacation rentals as nonconforming uses which have been in lawful use prior to March 7, 2008 and to allow them to continue subject to obtaining a Nonconforming Use Certificate as provided by this Section. (b) The owner, operator or proprietor of any single family transient vacation rental which operated outside of a Visitor Destination Area prior to March 7, 2008 shall obtain a Nonconforming Use Certificate for single family vacation rentals. (c) No Nonconforming Use Certificate shall be issued by the Planning Director unless the use as a single family rental is a legal use under the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance, and the applicant provides a sworn affidavit and demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Planning Director that a dwelling unit was being used as a vacation rental on an ongoing basis prior to March 7, 2008. The Planning Director, in making the decision, shall take into consideration, among other things, the following guidelines: (1) The applicant had a State of Hawai`i general excise tax license and transient accommodations tax license for the purpose of the lawful operation of single family transient vacation rentals for a period long enough to demonstrate actual payment of taxes. (2) That prior to March 7, 2008, applicant had deposits for reservations by transient guests in exchange for compensation for use of subject property as a vacation rental. (3) That applicant had transient guests occupy subject property in exchange for compensation prior to March 7, 2008, with a pattern of consistency that evidences an ongoing and lawful enterprise. (d) Applications for Nonconforming Use Certificates for single family transient vacation rentals located on land designated "Agricultural" pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Hawai`i Revised Statutes shall be made within sixty (60) days of August 16, 2010. If an operator as defined under Subsection (c) fails to apply for a Nonconforming Use Certificate within sixty (60) days of August 16, 2010, then the Planning Director shall assess an administrative late application processing fee of one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500.00) at filing. A Nonconforming Use Certificate may be issued for a single family transient vacation rental located on land in the State of Hawai`i's land use Agricultural District if: (1) It was built prior to June 4, 1976; or 4 (2) The applicant has obtained a Special Permit under Hawai`i Revised Statutes, Sec. 205-6 which specifically permits a vacation rental on the subject property. (A) An application for a Special Permit shall include verification by the applicant that the farm dwelling unit was being used as a vacation rental on an ongoing basis in accordance with Subsection (c). (B) An application for a Special Permit pursuant to Hawai`i Revised Statutes Sec. 205-6 and Chapter 13 of the Rules of Practice and Procedures of the Planning Commission that is deemed complete by the Planning Director must be filed within one (1) year of August 16, 2010. Upon completion of the application, the Planning Director shall issue a provisional certificate that will allow the transient vacation rental to operate. The provisional certificate shall be null and void after the Planning Commission or the Land Use Commission makes a decision upon the application. (C) In addition to the Special Permit standards set forth in Hawai`i Revised Statutes Sec. 205-6 and Chapter 13 of the Rules of Practice and Procedure of the Planning Commission, the Planning Commission may only grant a Special Permit if, prior to March 7, 2008: (i) the property upon which the transient vacation rental is located had a registered agricultural dedication pursuant to the guidelines set forth in the County of Kaua`i's Department of Finance Real Property Tax Division Agricultural Dedication Program Rules; (ii) a bona fide agricultural operation existed, as shown by State General Excise Tax Forms and/or Federal Income Tax Form 1040 Schedule F filings; or (iii) the Planning Commission finds that the size, shape, topography, location or surroundings of the property, or other circumstances, did not allow an applicant to qualify for an agricultural dedication pursuant to the County of Kaua`i's Department of Finance Real Property Tax Division Agricultural Dedication Program Rules or inhibited intensive agricultural activities. (D) If the application for the Special Permit is granted, then the transient vacation rental operation shall be subject to conditions imposed by the Planning Commission or the Land Use Commission. (E) If the application for Special Permit is denied, then the Nonconforming Use Certificate shall not be issued and the transient vacation rental must cease operation. (e) The owner, operator, or proprietor shall have the burden of proof in establishing that the use is properly nonconforming based on the following documentation which shall be provided to the Planning Director as evidence of a nonconforming use: records of occupancy and tax documents, including all relevant State of Hawaii general excise tax filings, all relevant transient accommodations tax filings, Federal and/or State of Hawai`i income tax returns for the relevant time period, reservation lists, and receipts showing payment. Other reliable information may also be provided. Based on the evidence submitted, the Planning Director shall determine whether to issue a Nonconforming Use Certificate for the single family transient vacation rental. (f) The Planning Director shall make available to the public at the Planning Department counter and on the County of Kaua`i website a list of all completed applications for Nonconforming Use Certificates. Applications deemed completed shall concurrently be made available to the public. Copies of applications shall also be made available to the public as public information, as provided by H.R.S. Chapter 92F (the Uniform Information Practices Act). Such list shall include the 5 names of the applicants and the tax map key number of the parcels which are the subject of the applications. The Planning Department may physically inspect a single family transient vacation rental prior to a Nonconforming Use Certificate being issued. (g) The Planning Director shall prepare an application form which shall be available to the public. If an operator as defined under Subsection (c) fails to apply for a Nonconforming Use Certificate within sixty (60) days of August 16, 2010 the Planning Director shall assess an administrative late application processing fee of one thousand five hundred dollars ($1,500.00) at filing. Applications received more than one (1) year after August 16, 2010 shall not be accepted and the use of a transient vacation rental shall be deemed discontinued. (h) The owner or lessee who has obtained a Nonconforming Use Certificate under this Section shall apply to renew the Nonconforming Use Certificate annually on the date of issuance of the Nonconforming Use Certificate. (1) Each application to renew shall include proof that there is a currently valid State of Hawai`i general excise tax license and transient accommodations tax license for the nonconforming use and shall be received by the Department prior to the expiration date of a held Nonconforming Use Certificate. Failure to meet this condition will result in the automatic denial of the application for renewal of the Nonconforming Use Certificates. (2) Upon renewal, the Planning Department may initiate re-inspection of properties for compliance with other provisions of this chapter, or other pertinent land use laws, and may withhold approval of a renewal application and issue cease and desist notices to the applicant until all violations have been resolved to the satisfaction of the Planning Director. (3) The applicant shall pay an annual renewal fee of seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00) which shall be deposited into the County General Fund. Sec. 8-17.11 Enforcement Against Illegal Transient Vacation Rentals. (a) In addition to other penalties provided by law, including, but not limited to, Secs. 8-3.5(a) and 8-17.6, the Planning Commission Rules, as amended, the Planning Director, or any member of the public who has duly obtained standing pursuant to rules promulgated by the commission, may initiate proceedings to revoke or modify the terms of a Nonconforming Use Certificate pursuant to the Rules of Practice and Procedures of the Planning Commission, as amended. Violations of conditions of approval or providing false or misleading information on the application or in any information relating thereto at any time during the application process shall be grounds for revocation or cease and desist orders. (b) Advertising of any sort which offers a property as a transient vacation rental shall constitute prima facie evidence of the operation of a transient vacation rental on said property and the burden of proof shall be on the owner, operator, or lessee to establish that the subject property is not being used as a transient vacation rental or that it is being used for such purpose legally. If any unit is found to be operating unlawfully, penalties established in Secs. 8-3.5(a) and 8-17.6 shall apply. Sec. 8-17.12 Historic Properties Exemption. Single family dwelling units on the National or State Register of Historic Places may be allowed to operate as a transient vacation rental through a Use Permit and by abiding by the development standards specified in Sec. 8-17.8(b)."] (Material to be deleted from Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2838) is bracketed.) V:\AMENDMENTS\2021\FA- pdb2838 le AMK_dmc.docx 6