HomeMy WebLinkAbout06/03/2020 Council minutes COUNCIL MEETING
JUNE 3, 2020
The Council Meeting of the Council of the County of Kaua`i was called to order
by Council Chair Arryl Kaneshiro at the Council Chambers, 4396 Rice Street,
Suite 201, Lihu`e, Kaua`i, on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 9.02 a.m., after which the
following Members answered the call of the roll
Honorable Mason K. Chock
Honorable Felicia Cowden
Honorable Luke A Evslin (via remote technology)
Honorable Ross Kagawa
Honorable KipuKai Kuali`i
Honorable Arryl Kaneshiro
Excused. Honorable Arthur Brun*
Council Chair Kaneshiro Please note that we will run today's meetings
pursuant to the Governor's Supplementary Emergency Proclamation dated
March 16, 2020, Sixth Supplementary Emergency Proclamation dated April 25, 2020,
and Seventh Supplementary Emergency Proclamation dated May 5, 2020
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The first item is the approval of the agenda
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the agenda, as circulated,
seconded by Councilmember Kagawa.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on the
agenda9
The motion for approval of the agenda, as circulated, was then put, and carried
by a vote of 6 0 1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried. Next items are the
minutes Clerk, could you please read the minutes?
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MINUTES of the following meetings of the Council.
May 13, 2020 Public Hearing re: Resolution No. 2020-16, Bill No. 2779, and
Bill No 2780
May 15, 2020 Special Council Meeting
May 20, 2020 Council Meeting
May 27, 2020 Special Council Meeting
May 27, 2020 Public Hearing re: C 2020-135
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve the Minutes as circulated, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding these agenda litems)
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any discussion on the minutes?
The motion to approve the Minutes, as circulated, was then put, and carried
by a vote of 6.0.1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Motion is carried Clerk, next item please
CONSENT CALENDAR.
C 2020-135 Communication (05/07/2020) from the Mayor, submitting his
Supplemental Budget Communication for Fiscal Year 2020-2021 and Proposed
Amendments to the Budget Bills, pursuant to Section 19 02A of the Kaua`i County
Charter
Councilmember Kualh`i moved to receive C 2020-135 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Chock
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any discussion from the members on the
Consent Calendar?
(No registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-135 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 601*
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried We are going to jump
around on the agenda Knowing that we have some live testimony on the budget, we
want to get to that immediately. We also have our Washington D C consultants that
are going to be speaking. We will be jumping around a little during the meeting We
also have twenty-eight (28) recorded testimonies for the budget, which we will be
pushing out to the end of the meeting so that we do not have all of the Administration
waiting We will get rid of our police items and our communications items ahead of
finalizing the budget and listening to the pre-recorded testimonies. With that, Clerk,
could you please read Bill No 2779, Draft 1.
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There being no objections Bill No 2779, Draft 1 was taken out of order
BILLS FOR SECOND READING-
Bill No 2779, Draft 1 – A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
OPERATING BUDGET AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
JULY 1, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 2021 (Fiscal Year 2020-2021 Operating Budget.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No 2779, Draft 1 on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Kagawa.
Council Chair Kaneshiro- This is the Operating Budget I will suspend
the rules and we will take the live testimony now. For live testimony, typically, we do
three (3) minutes and three (3) minutes, but to make the process smoother for us, if
someone wants to talk more than three (3) minutes, we will give them the six (6)
minutes of talking, so we do not need to go back and forth with the Zoom video The
rules are the same The light will turn green, when it is your turn to speak, state
your name for the record, then when there is thirty (30) seconds left of your six (6)
minutes, the yellow light will turn on; when the time is up, the red light will turn on
and that will be the end of your testimony. We will start with you, just state your
name for the record and you can start John Patterson, you are first I can see you,
but you cannot see who I was talking to
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
JOHN PATTERSON (via remote technology) Can you hear me? I wish
I knew you were going to change the rules, I spent all day yesterday cutting it down
I can talk slow My name is Dr John Patterson and I live in Wailua. I have lived on
Kaua`i since 2005. I have a Ph.D. in Zoology from the University of Texas, at Austin.
I am not affiliated with any group at all on the island I am here to speak as a private
citizen I feel animal cruelty is abhorrent and the thought of a single animal dying
unnecessarily pains me to the core Who can say they enjoy seeing an animal suffer?
Not even a hunter or fisherman kills for pleasure. I have never known any of them
to let an animal suffer needlessly First thing I want to say is I deeply empathize
with people who do not like seeing animals die. But it is important to realize, where
we live is not just any old place. We live on Kaua`i It is the most diverse island in
the western world—most diverse, so I feel responsible to protect it for as many
generations in the future and I hope you all do, as well I know many of you feel this
way. I do not have much time I am not going to go into the lifecycle of protozoan
that causes toxoplasmosis, but it is important that everyone knows that this is a
parasite and lives in the feces of cats. This parasite is a leading cause of death in
native Hawaiian Monk Seals This killed at least five percent (5%) of all the animals
in the last 15 years, that had been autopsied. That is just the animals that we see
No telling how much it affects them Obviously, reducing the feral cat population
would reduce the occurrence of toxoplasmosis on Kaua`i. This Council Meeting and
you all are essentially the mechanism that we have to fund the control of the feral
cats to protect the island from the damage they are doing. So I am glad I get to talk
via Zoom, because this has been something that has been bothering me since almost
the whole time I have lived here, just to see the effects. What happened to the Feral
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Cat Task Force? Why did we spend years making a plan only to abandon it? Now
there is a ninety dollar ($90) fee to euthanize a feral cat, how is that helping? Have
we not already designated funds for this? I am not sure of the whole story, but there
seems to be back and forth, with the Department of Human Services (DHS) and the
funding, with what they are doing and what they said they would do There has been
people for a long time advocating Trap-Neuter-Release (TNR) They had their chance
over a decade and it has not worked. The Council has given them many chances
How much longer are we going to let this continue? Look at places where wild cats
are everywhere, like Lydgate, south shore, Walmart—we see people feeding them.
Sometimes those same people come to testify at these meetings I am here to testify
as a scientist, how important it is, that we reduce the feral cat population I have a
question, the Council, would you guys vote for protecting coqui frogs, if they came
over? If we had coqui frogs, to protect them, do we advocate doing trap-neuter-release
on the coqui frogs, because this is the same thing. We know that cats and feral cats
share the same thing People have cats and cats are pets I am not anti-cat. I have
a great cat and I love that cat I am extremely pro-Native Hawaiian species That is
the difference I am very pro-saving what we have I want you guys to think about
Kaua`i in the future, two (2) years from now, five (5) years, how long do we care about
the Cana? How long do we care? Five (5) years? One hundred (100) years? Five
hundred (500) years? I am sure you guys care if you see your grandkids or great
grandkids seeing a monk seal on the beach I am sure that is important to everyone
that is listening to me right now, to keep the seals here and alive So thinking about
the way we are currently addressing the feral cat issue and looking out one
hundred (100) years, who do you think wins? Do you see the feral cats going extinct
in one hundred (100) years? How about the monk seal, of which there is only one
thousand two hundred (1,200) So unfortunately, we have to pick something We
have to choose and we have to maybe make it based on this idea, which is crueler, the
death of one feral cat, or the death of the very last monk seal on earth? The decisions
you are making today will significantly impact how that question is answered. That
is my testimony
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Perfect timing, John Thank you for your
testimony
Mr Patterson. Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Next up, we have Summer Summer, you are
on mute, right now
SUMMER HOLWEGNER (vma remote technology). How about now?
Council Chair Kaneshiro. We can hear you
Ms. Holwegner. I am addressing this line item in the budget
for the protection of the native bird population, as well as, I guess, all native
population of species on the island from the feral cat population. I want to start out
by saying I support the protection of all these groups I feel like it is everyone's
responsibility to care for them. I do not have a proposed plan I lived here all my life
I am a teacher I am a mother But I want to advocate for the humane treatment of
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our feral cat population. In what I am seeing in other areas, TNR has proven to be
sustainable, effective, long-term solution for other locations, but I feel we need to do
our part So what has been happening on our island is certain groups have been
working on this, but I feel we need to do more with the support of the County. From
what I see right now, in what I have seen in other areas, TNR has proven to be a
sustainable, effective, long-term solution in other locations But I feel we all need to
do our part What is happening or has been happening on our island is certain groups
have been working on this I feel we need to do more and with the support of the
County... I feel the County of Kaua`i... I feel that we might have more of a chance.
From what I see right now, the Kaua`i Community Cat Project does their thing and
PAWS of Hawai`i does their thing, the Kaua`i Humane Society might all do it, but if
we work together, the outcome might be different My sister works with Kaua`i
Community Cat Project to TNR the cats by her house, but that is just her working
with others There are others all over the island doing this with the support of these
groups as well and sometimes they do not have funding So I go out-of-pocket and pay
for the care of the kittens and adopt them out So we are all doing our part, but I feel
it is a concerted effort with a solid plan, that maybe it would be more successful. So
again, that is my argument that we all need to do our part If we work together with
the resources that we have in the community, to decrease the feral cat population,
that will also serve to protect the native population of the other species on our island
So I am just asking, that you please consider keeping the options for the control of
our feral cat population That is all
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Thank you, Summer. We have no one else
Thank you, Summer for your testimony We had three (3) others to testify, but they
are not connected right now. We do have prerecorded messages for them, so we will
play those at the end with the other twenty-eight (28) messages We are going to
disconnect the live testimony. Thank you. We are going to jump to our
Washington D C consultants Clerk, can you please read C 2020-151
There being no objections the meeting was called back to order and proceeded as
follows
There being no objections, C 2020-151 was taken out of order
C 2020-151 Communication (05/13/2020) from the Mayor, requesting agenda
time for a briefing from Smith Dawson &Andrews, Inc., Washington D.C. consultants,
to provide a recap of the services and activities provided to the County during the past
year as part of their professional services contract.
Councilmember Kualh`i moved to receive C 2020-151 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro With that I will suspend the rules. We have
our consultants to brief us on what they have been doing and then we will open up
for questions after that
There being no objections, the rules were suspended
COUNCIL MEETING 6 JUNE 3, 2020
JIM SMITH, Smith Dawson & Andrews, Inc. (via remote technology)
Thank you, Council Chair and members of the Council I am Jim Smith, founder and
President of Smith Dawson & Andrews, Inc and I am joined by my colleague today,
Catherine Beal We have provided you a written report, which I assume you must
have a copy of and I hope you had a chance to review it. I know you have a very full
agenda today, so we will try to be brief and allow more time for questions and
answers As you know, some of you know, we have been the County's eyes and ears
in Washington, D C since 2012 We have a very good partnership with the County
in helping the County to put together the annual Federal agenda and to advocate for
those priorities back in Washington, D C We all collectively used this relationship
and engagement to enhance the County's standing in Washington, not only with the
Hawaii Congressional Delegation, but with other members of Congress, key
committees in Congress, particularly the House and Senate Appropriations
Committees, as well as the Federal branch As you know, we would normally be giving
this report in person, but because of the circumstances surrounding all of us now,
travel is impossible But I am glad we are able to do this virtually, and we appreciate
you providing time for us on the agenda. As I said, we worked with the County on an
annual basis We come out usually this time of year, to present this report and meet
with the Office of the Mayor and County departments, to sort through what each of
the Departments' priorities and needs are. And then to try to match them up with
Federal finance and Federal legislation that are put together on the agenda We
follow that up with, of course, normally the Mayor would come to Washington D C ,
to the U S Conference of Mayors and take advantage of his time in D C to set up
meetings with the agencies. Unfortunately, that was canceled this year because of
COVID-19, but we do maintain those contacts and relationships in all the Federal
agencies on an ongoing basis. Also unfortunately, we were not able to take advantage
of Hawaii on the Hill this year, when Kaua`i always sends out a strong representative
delegation of elected officials and local business leaders That, too, has been canceled
because of COVID-19, but nevertheless, we have been very busy on your behalf, in
tracking Federal legislation that impacts the County, advocating for increased
appropriations for those programs that the County benefits from, and identifying and
sharing with the County Federal grant opportunities One such grant opportunity
that we brought for your time and attention was the U S Department of
Transportation (USDOT) program, Better Utilizing Investments to Leverage
Development (BUILD) grants, otherwise formerly known as Transportation
Investment Generating Economic Recovery (TIGER). You are familiar with our
successful project in downtown Lihu`e about four (4) or five (5) years ago with the
TIGER program. Under the current Administration, they rebranded this program,
and the acronym is BUILD But we met with the USDOT last summer when the
Mayor was in Washington D.C. and started talking with them about a potential
project under BUILD We were ultimately successful in getting the County to focus
on this As you know, the County has put forth a BUILD application for the Po`ipu
Road Safety and Mobility Project Again, this is under the rural designation of the
USDOT BUILD program A project cost of twenty-two million six hundred twenty-
six thousand dollars ($22,626,000), of which there would be a ten percent (10%)
match, two million twenty-six thousand dollars ($2,026,000) We feel very good about
this project. We spent a lot of time working directly with the BUILD office at USDOT
for technical guidance and clarification We have also been in close contact with every
member of the Hawai`i delegation and have received unanimous support from the
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delegation for this project They have accompanied our application with letters of
support. So we feel very good about that. Also, we have seen a lot of time over the
last weeks tracking COVID-19 relief. There have been four (4) different Bills that
congress has pushed through, and the President has signed, which provide direct
financial relief, both to individuals as well to local governments and corporations.
The biggest of those four (4) Bills was the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic
Security (CARES) Act, that was a two trillion three hundred thousand dollar
($2,300,000,000,000) piece of legislation that was signed into law March 27th,
providing direct assistance to individuals, small business, farmers, ranchers, main
street, mid-sized businesses. I am not going to go into that I am going to ask
Catherine to address some of those programs, but needless to say, there has been
constant communication with the Office of the Mayor on these programs and the
eligibility requirements and technical information, which I know that they have
disseminated throughout the County There are a number of other legislative issues
that we have monitored and followed and advocated for on behalf of the County over
the last year I am not going to go into all of them, but suffice it to say it has been a
very active year and the last ten(10)weeks have been extremely active We anticipate
that there will be additional relief legislation enacted by congress. In fact, the House
has already passed another Bill, known as the Health and Economic Recovery
Omnibus Emergency Solutions (HEROES) Act. Catherine is going to give details on
that. Timing is uncertain, but we will keep you and the Office of the Mayor informed
as this legislation moves through the process I will turn it over to Catherine.
Catherine, talk about some of these programs and we will take questions later
CATHERINE BEAL, Smith Dawson & Andrews, Inc (via remote technology)
Absolutely Thank you so much, Jim "Hi" to the Council I am sad we cannot be
there in person, but happy we are doing this digitally There were four (4) Bills, as
Jim mentioned, that congress passed directly relating to Coronavirus relief. I will
quickly go through the four (4) Bills and touch on the Health and Economic Recovery
Omnibus Emergency Solutions (HEROES) Act The first Bill was passed on
March 6th and was called the Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental
Appropriations Act That was just over eight billion dollars ($8,000,000,000), and
that was primarily focused on Health Department funding, medical supplies,
community health centers, and funding for the National Institute of Health to begin
developing vaccines, treatments, and tests for the Coronavirus. Moving on to the
Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which was passed on March 18th, that
focused on nutritional programs, such as Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)
program, and also focused on the senior nutrition program and it provided $1 billion
in emergency grants for states to start processing unemployment claims There was
also funding for the national school lunch program. The third Bill that was passed
was the CARES Act, which was the massive $2 3 trillion package, which included
funding for three main things I will discuss. the first is the Paycheck Protection
Program (PPP), which has been the most popular program out of the CARES Act
The Paycheck Protection Program, through the Small Business Administration,
provided direct funding to small businesses to keep their staff on payroll to prevent
unemployment The second item I will discuss is USDA. The Department of
Agriculture's Coronavirus Food Assistance program was direct funding to farmers
and ranchers for financial losses due to COVID-19. Last Tuesday, there is sixteen
billion ($16,000,000,000) in funding and farmers are encouraged to reach out to their
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farm service agency service center directly to apply for that relief. The third item I
will discuss is the U S Economic Development Administration's (EDA) Coronavirus
Response Grant, which is a $1 5 billion dollar ($1,500,000,000) program meant to
provide funding to support workforce development, infrastructure growth, to either
respond directly to COVID-19 or to respond to the unemployment We are in the
beginning stages of working with the Office of Economic Development (OED) on
submitting an application for that program The fourth Bill was passed on April 24th.
And it was the Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act,
which provided supplemental funding for the Paycheck Protection Program as well
as the economic injury disaster loan grants, as well as some additional funding for
hospitals and Coronavirus testing Moving on to the potential fifth (5th) legislative
package, on May 15th, the house passed a Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus
Emergency Solutions Act, known as the HEROES act That package is focused on
state and local government relief, a second round of the economic stimulus payments
to individuals—the one thousand two hundred dollars ($1,200) or two thousand four
hundred dollars ($2,400) payment for individuals or families, as well as additional
funds for the Small Business Administration Economic Injury Disaster Loan
Program. Senate leadership has indicated that they will not support the HEROES
Act as it is currently written, they have indicated that the Bill is too large and they
need to see how the CARES Act funding has been spent before they go into a massive
omnibus Bill again We do know that Senate leadership and House leadership are
working behind-the-scenes to find a compromise, and there is no date expected on
when another Bill would be released, but we are optimistic that we would see
something within the next six (6) to eight (8) weeks, obviously we hope that is much
sooner I know that is a lot of information But with that, we would love to turn it
over to you for any questions that you may have
Council Chair Kaneshiro Thank you for that Any questions from the
Councilmembers9 Councilmember Chock
Councilmember Chock Thank you, Mr. Chair Thank you for the
briefing I really appreciate you being here today. Wish you were here in person, as
well I appreciate the good work you have done over the years, in securing some of
these large projects—BUILD project, as it is renamed. Obviously, we are just in a
different situation, different climate, and I think some of what we have been
experiencing here on a local-level is unprecedented. So we are looking for answers in
how we can translate what we might anticipate in some of the future CARES Act
funds directly to our people, who have been struggling with getting assistance,
financial assistance through unemployment insurance and so forth Of course, also
the economy needs to reboot and restart, but we have lost, on the County-level, much
of our TAT funds, our GET Funds, and so we are looking to fill gaps here I am just
wondering as we look forward to some of the forthcoming opportunities, how it is that
we might be able to anticipate filling those gaps and also the timing of which you
could anticipate that might run into it? Lastly, and sorry I am throwing all my
questions out at once I am not clear, if you had a chance to see how the current
anticipated CARES Act funds, here on the local-level are being budgeted? How we
might rollover into.. even though it is a big pot of money that needs to be spent before
the end of the year, in some cases it may not be enough to start and continue for
successful outcomes
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Mr Smith Well, I will start I think I heard all your questions,
although I was having a little trouble I will start and Catherine, you can fill in In
terms of the next round of COVID-19 funding, as Catherine said, the House has put
together a very major Bill It is almost three trillion dollars ($3,000,000,000,000) in
additional spending And it passed the House The Senate and the White House,
frankly, have been much less enthusiastic about moving another round of CARES
legislation. As Catherine said, they have taken the attitude of it is too soon, let us
wait and see how the CARES funding plays out and where the additional need may
be I do know that one of the biggest needs is to provide revenue to state and local
governments at all levels In fact, that was one of the very controversial items of the
CARES legislation, which did provide one billion five hundred million dollars
($1,500,000,000) to state and local governments, but only to communities the size of
five hundred thousand (500,000) or more. So obviously, Kaua`i, and hundreds and
hundreds of other communities around the country were left-out Not many states,
that I am aware of, I do not know about Hawai`i, but not many states have extended
any of their direct appropriation under CARES to local communities in their state.
So that is a major area of concern and priority in the House Bill. I forget the exact
figure, Catherine may know, but there is significant funding in the HEROES Act,
which passed the House, which would help back-fill the treasuries of state and local
governments at all levels, all around the Country So that is a big priority. Initially,
that was an area that the Republicans in the Senate really pushed back on. In fact,
Senator McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, when this first surfaced suggested
that state and local governments declare bankruptcy Well, that did not go over too
well, as you might imagine and since has softened his position on this program and I
think it was when he was back in his home state last week, when he heard from a lot
of mayors and county commissioners in Kentucky So I fully expect the next round of
CARES legislation will include additional support for State and local governments
and will direct it down, to even the smallest levels of government In terms of timing,
it is a little bit up in the air. The Senate is not moving at all on this right now There
has been some estimates, it may be July, before they would negotiate a package with
the House, or September. So we are watching it very closely, and we know it is
important to the County and to the revenue Catherine, do you want to add9
Ms. Beal. I do believe that Hawai`i is being generous
and giving out some of the funds that they were allocated in the Coronavirus Relief
Fund, which is the direct funding from the CARES Act, as Jim referenced I know it
is not enough money, but I do know compared to other local governments, to be able
to get some of that money from the State would put Kaua`i in a good position. The
HEROES Act legislation would provide one trillion dollars ($1,000,000,000,000) in
direct allocation to state and local governments with the population size, I believe, of
fifty thousand (50,000) or higher So the exact formula, I am not sure how much
money is provided and the timeline I am not sure
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Council Chair Kaneshiro Catherine, you are breaking up a little bit
Maybe sit a little further back when you speak
Ms Beal• Can you hear me now? Is that better?
Council Chair Kaneshiro It is better
Ms Beal• Sorry about that So I will just reiterate, the
HEROES Act, there was one trillion dollars ($1,000,000,000,000) for state and local
government allocations, which means for populations of fifty thousand (50,000) So
that would put Kaua`i in a good position to get some direct funding and not have to
go to the state To reiterate, the timeline is still unknown, but as each day continues
with the pandemic and the effects are more pronounced in the country, that would
put more pressure on lawmakers in Washington to move swiftly.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Thank you Councilmember Chock, do you
have any more questions? Councilmember Cowden, Councilmember Kuali`i, and
Councilmember Evslin
Councilmember Cowden. Thank you so much for all the work that you
are doing and that really good explanation Some of mine are a little bit more
detailed I want to speak to...we just heard about backfilling the state and local
government revenues. Small business is also an area that is really struggling.
(Councilmember Chock was noted as not present)
Councilmember Cowden The Payroll Protection Plan, the timing is
difficult, when we have the eight (8) weeks to re-opening So that is an area we will
probably need a little bit of help Also, currently, when people are getting this six
hundred dollars ($600) per week additional unemployment, the Republican
community that was suggesting four hundred fifty dollars ($450) per week, once they
are reemployed, because for the businesses, people do not want to come back to work,
because they are going to lose money So I support that other perspective When we
are looking at some of these numbers, when you are saying, one billion dollars
($1,000,000,000) on families first And eight billion dollars ($8,000,000,000) from the
HEROES Act That is what is going to the state, right? Is that the state's numbers?
Ms Beal- In the CARES Act, I believe Hawai`i received
one billion one hundred twenty-five million dollars ($1,125,000,000) of the
Coronavirus Relief Fund.
Councilmember Cowden Okay
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Mr. Smith• Catherine, sit back The further away you
are, the clearer it is.
Councilmember Cowden I appreciate your report. I have just written
some notes down on the report The opportunity zones on Kaua`i are not really
appropriate ones. They are the higher-end communities, where there is a lot of
money I am hoping that when we expand the opportunity zones that there is an
allowance for the County to give feedback on which areas are chosen So it can go to
the places struggling Is that a possibility9
Mr. Smith. The Opportunity Zones program is not
without controversy As you know, it was rushed through Congress as part of the
Republican Tax Bill in 2017 There really had not been a lot of public discussion or
hearings on it.After it was enacted, people realized that where the zones were located
really did not align well with economic development or local community priorities So
there have been a number of Bills introduced to amend the opportunity zones, to
rectify some of these inequities and to make some of these changes There has been
no action on this legislation this year. Given the circumstances that we are in now,
and the limited schedule that congress is keeping because of the pandemic, I am not
sure that anything will happen on this legislation this year. But I would fully expect
it to be a priority in the next congress We would be happy to send you copies of that
legislation that has been introduced, and you should also know that we have also
articulated these concerns with the opportunities zones in Kaua`i to Senator Schatz
Senator Hirono, and the House delegation, as well
Councilmember Cowden Thank you Another infrastructure problem
that we are having, that has amplified with the COVID-19 dependence, is the fiber
optics cables under the water They are aged and going out from time-to-time and
there is a much higher demand now
(Councilmember Chock was noted as present.)
Councilmember Cowden• In fact, this morning, I do not know if it had
anything to do with it, but we had trouble coming online, but if you see any room for
some granting, to help us get a fiber optic cable, my understanding from the Mayor's
Administration, if we could get a seventy million dollar ($70,000,000), cable from
Maui, that is the goal they are looking for I think that will help our economic recovery
in a lot of ways, because I think our dependence is going to increase Are you aware
of any area in any of these grants that we might be able to take advantage of that
under COVID-19?
Mr Smith Well, yes, there is funding in CARES for
broadband and there is significant funding included in the HEROES Act, which
passed the House, for broadband It is becoming a real priority for Congress. So, I
think you will see funding included in whatever passes the next congress Catherine,
do you want to add anything to that?
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Ms Beal In terms of COVID-19-related legislation and
opportunities, Jim is right Going beyond Coronavirus, I believe the USDA's rural
utilities service has some funding opportunities related to increasing broadband So
we can definitely look into that and share those opportunities
Councilmember Cowden. Great. Another one that I see here is
"brownfield" moneys We have some significant brownfields sites, one (1) in Lihue,
one (1) in Kekaha, and there is a few others, but those are an ongoing problem for the
people downwind Whatever way we can look at that, I am wondering if we could
partner with private ownership, because the brownfield sites are on private
properties. They have been longstanding, from the sugar era It would be really great
if we could find money to fix and address some of those problems, even if we do it
through a lower-scaled mediation way, where it is not so expensive to do it, but at
least to Band-Aid the problem, so we do not have that dust blowing on our public
housing areas
Mr Smith Well there are definitely Federal programs
that address brownfields So we will be happy to work with the County staff on that
Councilmember Cowden Okay I am looking forward to that Another
area is in the COVID-19 grants, I did not see much that specialized in our Native
Hawaiian needs That is something that has been generations-neglected. We really
need to be getting especially our Hawaiian Homelands to be able to truly build.
Infrastructure needs is the biggest area that blocks us. I do not know, if we are able
to use any of this big flush of money that goes that way? It would be great if we could,
because that would help us with housing and our poorest or least-housed
communities tend to be the ones most vulnerable to health crises.
Ms. Beal. You are correct, I have not seen anything
specific about the Native Hawaiian population, but we will keep our eyes peeled for
opportunities that are aligned with that goal, and keep you informed with what we
find
Councilmember Cowden. Okay. Two last ones. I see flood mitigation
on the list here, much of that is on state land. We are having an increasing crisis
with flooding problems, both with more concentrated rainfall, but especially because
we have just an overgrowth of invasive species, beautiful trees—Albizia trees, but as
they break in the upland they clog the rivers, impacting infrastructure So when I see
flood mitigation, national flood insurance, almost every one of our larger rivers and
even big streams, are creating problems for both the County and the State It is on
State land, but mostly it is County infrastructure, other than the roads. Flood
mitigation, especially with tree removal, is another big area. I suppose, one of my
largest concerns that I think is somehow addressable, is I fear in this outcome when
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we have the short window of time that we will have a lot of small business collapse,
you know? There is a number of them, it is starting to happen, I think we maybe only
have a month or two (2) left before we are going to have very significant small
business collapse in areas that are highly-dependent on tourism, like on the North
Shore, Kilauea is at forty percent (40%) unemployment, Hanalei is at ninety four
percent (94%) unemployment Those are high rates. Overall, I believe the island is
thirty-four percent (34%) to thirty-seven percent (37%). So more time extensions on
these eight (8)-week windows, especially when it does not line up with our need to
keep our airport closed.
Mr. Smith• Yes, I understand you. In fact, the House has
passed legislation amending the Payroll Protection Program, extending the eight (8)
weeks, for I believe sixteen (16) weeks, which will help. They have also reduced the
requirement for payroll Originally, it was supposed to be seventy-five percent (75%)
dedicated to payroll, and twenty-five percent (25%) dedicated to insurance, and rent,
and mortgage expenses. But this legislation reduces the seventy-five percent (75%)
payroll to sixty percent (60%). In fact, that legislation passed the House and is being
considered on the Senate floor this week And there is wide support for it. I expect
that to happen. The White House has already said the President will sign it and that
will provide some additional relief for a longer period of time, hopefully get them
through until the next COVID-19 legislation is enacted Then in the meantime, I
think it is important that we look at these various grant programs, that have already
approved by Congress for things like small business and economic development and
this economic development grant that Catherine alluded to earlier in the
presentation, that she has brought to the County's attention. There is funding
available in those programs to support local small business activities, whether it is
marketing or what have you So we hear you We will keep that at the top of our
radar, and work closely with the Office of the Mayor, to make sure the delegation is
aware of that.
Councilmember Cowden• Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Councilmember Kualh`i, then Councilmember
Evslin.
Councilmember Kuali`i• Aloha, thank you both for being here and
thank you for all the information I appreciated your report. Most of my questions
have been answered with the questions from my colleagues here. I did not quite get
all the figures when you talked about the four (4) Bills The first Bill on preparedness
and response eight billion dollars ($8,000,000,000) The second Bill, families first,
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), nutrition, school lunch, I did
not get the total on that one.
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Ms Beal. The first Bill was eight billion dollars
($8,000,000,000), like you said The second Bill was also eight billion dollars
($8,000,000,000) The third Bill, which is the CARES Act, is two trillion three
hundred billion dollars ($2,300,000,000,000) Then the fourth Bill that was passed is
four hundred eighty-four billion dollars ($484,000,000,000)
Councilmember Kualfr The HEROES Act, three trillion dollars
($3,000,000,000,000).
Ms Beal Three trillion dollars ($3,000,000,000,000),
that is correct
Mr Smith. Including one trillion dollars
($1,000,000,000,000), in direct state local government assistance
Councilmember Kuali`i• Right That first CARES Act, the first-round
of the direct payments of one thousand two hundred dollars ($1,200) and two
thousand four hundred dollars ($2,400), is that part of the second bill, the eight billion
dollars ($8,000,000,000)7 How much of that was for the one thousand two hundred
dollars ($1,200) and two thousand four hundred dollars ($2,400) direct payment?
Ms. Beal. I would have to double-check I do not have
that number in front of me
Councilmember Kuali`i My question, too, then you said, in the
HEROES Act, there would be a second round of that one thousand two hundred
dollars ($1,200) and two thousand four hundred dollars ($2,400), is that holding it
up? What amount is the total amount?
Ms. Beal. The economic stimulus payment to
individuals that was the first round of the CARES Act
Councilmember Kuali`i CARES Act
Ms. Beal. I do not have the exact dollar amount. I will
confirm that, and I will make sure that you have that number
Councilmember Kuali`i Also, what is the request, on the second
round, in the HEROES Act?
Ms Beal For the payments to individuals, it would be
the exact same as the first round
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Councilmember Kuali`i: Okay, so doubling it, if they approved one
trillion dollars ($1,000,000,000,000), in the first-round and looking for another one
trillion dollars ($1,000,000,000,000), in the second round?
Ms. Beal. Correct. Yes, they would be asking for the
same amount as the CARES Act for the economic stimulus payments
Councilmember Kuali`i. You are talking about the HEROES Act and
how it is being held up. But in the meantime, you are also talking about the next
round of the CARES Act So is it that the Congress may not vote on the HEROES
Act and vote on something smaller, which is a second CARES Act?
Mr Smith- Well, I think we are kind of using those terms
interchangeably When we refer to the next round of CARES Act, we are really talking
about, in the House, they call it the HEROES Act
Councilmember Kuali`i Okay
Mr. Smith. But it is one in the same. So the next round
of CARES Act, whatever it ends up being, it is what the House passed it would be
called the HEROES Act. The Senate has not responded. They have not put together
their next round of funding, whether they call it "CARES 3" or "HEROES" or
whatever. Ultimately, they will, and it will have to be a major negotiation between
Speaker Pelosi and Senator McConnell, in the next round and whatever comes out of
it, whether it is called the HEROES Act or whatever it will be the next round of
COVID relief funding.
Councilmember Kuali`i. Did I hear you correctly? Did you say, maybe
July, but maybe not, maybe as late as September?
Mr. Smith. Yes The Republican leadership and the
White House have been very slow to react to this They have taken the position that
they do not think they should rush to enact another big spending Bill, until they know
how the CARES Act is funding As I said, the Republicans were initially very opposed
to additional funding for state and local governments They have some things that
they want on the next round of legislation, as well So once they decide that, "Okay,
we are going to move," the Senate will put together their own Bill They will pass
their own Bill, and it will require a major negotiation between the House and Senate
That is going to take time One of the problems is time—because the Congress has
been working on an abbreviated schedule, since the middle of March The House has
only been in about three (3) days, over the last ten (10) weeks They are not in session
this week So it is going to take time. The soonest I could see them enacting a Bill
would be July, but it is possible it could take as long as September
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Councilmember Kuali`i• Thank you. Another thing, my colleague,
Councilmember Cowden mentioned funding for Hawaiian homes I know the State
and the Department of Hawaiian Homelands gets funding from the Native American
Housing Assistance and Self-Determination Act (NAHASDA). I know there has been
problems with that, in the Department of Hawaiian Homelands did not spend the
money timely and the allocation was reduced severely I am hoping and I think
Senator Schatz is working on it, that we can start building that back up. I am just
curious, if there is any opportunity from the NAHASDA funds to come, not just to the
State, but to the County, where our housing agency could potentially work with local
housing nonprofits that are working on Hawaiian Homelands directly? And maybe
be more efficient and spending the money and getting housing done for our
homesteaders I do not know, if you would know that? Maybe you could follow-up?
And see what is possible?
Mr Smith. Sure, we would be happy to look into that and
reach out to Senator Schatz's office
Councilmember Kuali`i. Another thing I would say, of course, it that
Senator Akaka and Senator Inouye did so much for Native Hawaiian programs in
health, education, and housing, as well, so there is a lot of programs in place I believe
our State for sure takes advantage of a lot of that funding, and it would be interesting
to see if some of those pots may be available directly to the County?And the one last
thing, I am also interested in the designation of new opportunity zones I am thankful
that you will be sharing the legislation.
Mr Smith. Yes, we will
Councilmember Kuali`i. Thank you for your work
Mr Smith Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro Councilmember Evslin
Councilmember Evshn Can you hear me okay?
Mr Smith Yes, sir
Councilmember Evshn• Thank you, Jim and Catherine for coming
today and all the work that you do I have a couple of quick comments and just one
question Thank you I wish you could have been here to see the TIGER grant project
nearing completion It is amazing to see and it is almost done and I know you were
very instrumental in getting that for Kaua`i and revitalizing Rice Street and
especially a time of wanting to give people room when you are walking by, it is nice
to have wide sidewalks, thank you for all your work there It is really looking
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beautiful I feel like every other week on our agenda here, we have between five
hundred thousand dollars ($500,000) and one million dollars ($1,000,000) in grants
we are accepting for different County Departments Thank you for your work there.
It is huge. Just to echo briefly, what my colleagues have said as far as opportunity
zones We talked about it last time, but it feels crazy that our opportunity zones are
Kukui`ula, Po`ipu, Princeville, and Hanalei, which is our highest income and sort of
highest speculation areas and I do not think the opportunity zones benefit will help
anybody Another quick comment already said on the need for more small business
help, my own business, we get a PPP loan and we were able to utilize it well, but I
feel the businesses most impacted right now and cannot operate, the PPP is not that
helpful and if we lose twenty percent (20%) of our businesses, businesses that are
totally viable, that two (2) years from now would be thriving and it would be such a
shame to lose them. So whatever support we can give to things like another paycheck
guarantee act and providing small business support My quick question, as we sort
of ramp-up our effort to try to get every Federal grant possible at a time like this, and
sort of combined over the last couple of days with events going on around the Country
with more Federal presence and local police offices. I know in the past over the fight
for sanctuary cities that is sort of buried in the language of these grants, was
requirements for local police departments to detain residents, at the request of the
Federal government, and sort of turn over the local detention centers to Federal
government I was wondering are there any...I know this is all kind of rapidly moving
situation, but are there things we should be concerned about in the small print of
these grants that might hold us to issues that we do not want to be held to or hand
over control of our local government in ways we do not want to? Are these things that
you folks are trying to scope out for us, so we do not get into something that we do
not want to be involved?
Mr Smith- I understand your question. I have to say that
I am not aware of any red flags in any of these grants. For instance, the BUILD
program, we went through the guidelines and requirements of that program in great
detail and it was pretty straightforward. Even the grant opportunities that are
coming out of the CARES legislation appear to be the same way. It is a good point
and it is something that we will keep on our radar and be attentive to on any grant
opportunities going forward
Councilmember Evslin• I apologize, my speakers just went out. I did
not hear anything that you just said I will watch the recording so you do not have to
repeat it I need to find new earphones Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Yes, he called you a bunch of names,
Councilmember Evslin Just kidding Councilmember Cowden, follow-up
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Councilmember Cowden. I have a follow-up I want to thank
Councilmember Evslin for asking that question about the fine print. There are a lot
of people who have concerns with Federal grants that can come with surrendering
municipal, personal powers, and liberties There is a House Bill 6666 that is a one
hundred billion dollar ($100,000,000,000) Bill for managing COVID-19, but would
probably extend thereafter for any other kinds of contagious disease. I had a lot of
constituent concern about that and wanting to keep a close eye on not surrendering
municipal, state, or individual authority over their bodies and choices that are made.
Have you followed that particular one hundred billion dollar ($100,000,000,000)...
this is less about granted money, but it is a policy to set up something to do contact
tracing and medical issues that might be following this?
Mr Smith. I am not familiar with that particular piece of
legislation Catherine, maybe you would know? However, we will certainly do our
research on it
Ms Beal. Just to reiterate, when we send available
grant opportunities out, we do a quick scan to make sure there are no red flags, or
things that would make the grant not attractive So we are keeping an eye out for
any potential red flags like that, and we do keep that in mind. We will take a closer
look at that House Bill that you mentioned I believe that those interviews were with
Congressman Rush We will take a closer look at that and we will track that
Councilmember Cowden Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa• Hi, thank you. I have no Shearwater
questions this year, but I am still not happy with the situation. Anyway, my question
is, I do not know if you have been watching the Hawai`i news? We have our
inter-island shipping carrier company, Young Brothers. What they are doing is
asking for a twenty-five million dollar ($25,000,000) bailout from the State, in order
to continue shipping their goods, during normal times to the minor Hawaiian islands
For the City and County of Honolulu, they are fine with Matson bringing goods over
However, from the City and County of Honolulu to get spread out to the other
neighbor islands, Young Brothers is I guess, threatening, that if they do not get
substantial financial help, they will not be shipping beyond July I am wondering if
you folks can check on the Federal side for whatever help can be made We are one
of the unique states in the United States of America We rely on having goods
shipped, or else we are doomed. They can also be flown, but I guess the price would
skyrocket even more to Hawaii, and we already have the highest costs of living in the
nation. I do not know what direction can be given but any help The twenty-five
million dollars ($25,000,000) is a temporary solution with a lot of strings attached,
which may only help for another month or two It just seems we need some guidance
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federally, whether we can repeal the Jones Act and open it up to competition. I
believe being in a monopoly puts us in a bad predicament, as far as when new dates
are given and it makes the island panic We have a pandemic and it may not be the
first time we close down tourism and the shipping company will say, they are losing
a lot of money being that there is not enough goods being shipped. It is something
that we need to address, and either let the free market take care of these problems,
or you bail out, but bailout in the way that we bail out banks and you have to give
oversight, not just free money and nothing comes back. In a month, maybe two (2)
months they say, "I need another twenty-five million dollars ($25,000,000) " I do not
know if the Federal government is better at overlooking the problems that we have
with Young Brothers more than the State I am not sure If you folks can at least
alert our Congressional Delegation that perhaps the solution is at the Federal level,
not the State I do not know
Mr Smith We will look into that and will talk with the
delegation
Councilmember Kagawa Thank you very much.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Councilmember Cowden, as a follow-up
Councilmember Cowden Yes I noticed that Representative Ed Case
had four (4) amendments on the Jones Act It seems like it got choked in the
COVID-19 time period Are you all following that? Shipping is deeply important in
our infrastructure and we have been looking at rate increases anyway, there has been
a lot of new boats being made and I am wondering if we are following the Jones Act
amendments
Mr Smith. I have not followed the specific amendments.
I have followed the Jones Act for many years It is a kind of a phenomena, the Jones
Act, that it has such strong support in the Congress on both sides of the aisle,
including the Hawai`i delegation—staunch defenders of the Jones Act Yet, the areas
that are impacted by it, the other area I am familiar with, is I am sure is the same
issues as Puerto Rico, they have been trying for years to amend the Jones Act, even
to get waivers of the Jones Act They got a temporary waiver after Hurricane Maria
in 2017, but it is a well-ensconced program with broad bipartisan political support in
the Congress. We will keep an eye on these amendments, and if we see any
opportunity, we will alert the County
Councilmember Cowden. Okay, thank you I also support the Jones Act,
but I appreciate Representative Ed Case's efforts at fixing some of the nuances that
can help us to be able to have less expensive shipping, because it permeates
everything aspect, particularly our housing crisis
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Mr Smith Absolutely.
Councilmember Cowden Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any further questions from the members?
Councilmember Kagawa
Councilmember Kagawa. We had tons of testimony come in from the
people concerned with feral cats We have a serious feral cat problem on Kaua'i The
testimony that I really am moved by was the one that, they can spread diseases that
affect monk seals. They also are well-known to contribute to harming our endangered
birds, such as the Newall Shearwater and Wedge-Tailed Shearwater They mostly
go after their chicks when they are young. I am thinking this is all tied into a lot of
the Federal functions, as far as endangered species and what have you The County
of Kaua'i, we are pushed with handling the dogs and the cats, with our Kaua'i
Humane Society funding We do not have these types of professional animal type of
professions in the County We have some at the State Department of Land and
Natural Resources and the Department of Agriculture, but I guess they take no
interest in trying to help solve this problem of feral cats and the dangers they are
doing to the species, which by courts are protected and mandated that governments
take care of them. I am thinking, is there any way maybe the Federal government,
again, you can talk to our delegation and try to get together to see I do not know if
we are the only island that has the bad feral cat population? I mean, it is scary how
much are out there I once went camping and I woke up to use the restroom and
when I flashed the light on our table of food that was covered up, there were eyes,
hundreds of eyes, all cats It is amazing and they are all over the place I mean, they
are all in the mountains, as well A lot of them are wild and they are not easy to
catch. That would benefit both sides, helping the endangered side . A lot of these
things that we care about, that we are mandated by the Federal government... yet
the County is the one that has to try and deal with it, but we have no expertise, and
funding is always the problem to try to cure the problem. We are not talking about
tens or hundreds, but talking about thousands of these feral cats, that are not spayed
or neutered It is very concerning and seems to be getting worse Yet, we have not
really done much about it for, I would say, the past ten (10) to fifteen (15) years It
just continues to expand, while everyone complains.
Mr Smith. We will look into it
Councilmember Kagawa Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any further questions from the members? If
not, any final discussion from the members'? Councilmember Cowden
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There being no further discussion, the meeting was called back to order and
proceeded as follows.
Councilmember Cowden. I just want to really appreciate the help that
you have been giving, and to each of our departments in the County, echoing what
Councilmember Evshn said Almost every Council Meeting we have and again today,
five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000) here, one hundred thousand dollars
($100,000) there, it adds up. We are really going to be needing it more, as we look at
revenue decreases So I appreciate the discussion on especially the COVID-19 moneys
that was in the HEROES Act and CARES Act, to backfill our government We are in
a tough position We are going to be approving at least looking at approving our
budget today I believe we are going to need a lot of help, because the visitor industry
has grown to be our number one pipeline of cash into this community, and then the
secondary benefit of that, even if people do not work in that industry, they might not
recognize where their income is coming from, but it is going to be a profound loss, as
we slowly come back to welcoming visitors. We are looking forward to also, in this
window of time, becoming more resilient and utilizing this window of time to become
more locally-based in our economy We appreciate you backing us up
There being no objections the rules were suspended
Mr Smith Thank you very much We appreciate your
kind words and the feeling is mutual As I said at the beginning of our presentation,
this has been a very strong partnership for a number of years Truly, a partnership
working together to advance your community needs and priorities We know and we
appreciate the severity of this current economic crisis and know it is not just
short-term Unfortunately, I think everyone is going to be dealing with this for some
time The Federal government is going to have to continue to stand up and support
local communities Obviously, you did not put yourselves into this predicament This
is a Federal predicament and it requires a national response We will continue to
push for those programs and issues that are so important to you and direct state and
local government assistance Let me just say that we really value our relationship
with the County It is been an absolute honor and privilege to represent the County.
I can tell you unequivocally that the County has an excellent reputation in
Washington, D.C.. And one of the reasons that you continue to be successful in
landing these grants is that when you get them, you execute. These program
managers that we deal with in these agencies, whether it is the Department of
Transportation or the Department of Justice, when you say "Kaua`i," they know who
Kaua`i is They know that you delver, you expend these moneys prudently, and you
do these projects on-time with total transparency and accountability It is no surprise
that success breeds success and the County has done very well in that regard It is
been a pleasure and honor to be part of it
Councilmember Cowden Thank you
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The meeting was called back to order and proceeded as follows
Council Chair Kaneshiro Thank you Anyone else9 Councilmember
Evslin, I could not really see you If you want to speak, speak up, because your picture
is small. Anyone else? Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa I just want to thank you folks, also, for all the
work and the funding you have helped us with. We have seen tons of grants come
through during my eight (8) years here I really appreciate your help In times of the
Federal government cutting funding to road-type CIP projects, we have had a really
large share of that and contradicted what was said Just recently, we had funding
for Koloa Road, significant funding for that in matching fund, as well as TIGER
grants, which I am not too fond of, but nonetheless, that was a huge gift to the County
of Kaua`i and the taxpayers. I just want to thank you for years and years of success.
We are going to need more success, which is why I keep asking for things, like
shipping etcetera The work never ends That is what we do The best success of
government is when you can maximize the outside funding and you folks are our key
leaders to help our County get to that point Thank you very much for all of those
year I will be gone come December, but who knows, maybe I will back after that, in
a couple of years We will see Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Anyone else? If not, I just want to thank you
again, Jim and Catherine. Always a great presentation, as we always know, you are
working hard for us. You know, we are very dependent on the types of grants you
folks bring in Any money from the outside helps our County You know, we are a
small County, considering the rest of the counties in the United States Any money
helps us and has a big impact to our community Thank you for all of your hard work
Thank you for always keeping us up-to-date on the Federal side, and for always
looking out for our County It is a great benefit to have you folks as our consultant,
because if not, we would be pretty hard-pressed to get anything all the way in
Washington, D C Thank you, and know how appreciative I am for all of your efforts
There being no objections the rules were suspended
Mr Smith• Thank you again and we hope the next report
is live and in person.
The meeting was called back to order and proceeded as follows-
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden I have a tiny, it is not actually tiny, but I
forgot to say it and I see it is on your list here. I am glad you are working on our
criminal justice and our prisons Kaua`i Community Correctional Center (KCCC) is
absolutely in a floodplain, is in disrepair, and needs support So just keeping that
one open, too That is State, but all those inmates are County
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Council Chair Kaneshiro With that, the motion on the floor is to receive
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda items.)
The motion to receive C 2020-151 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6.0.1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro Right now, we are going to recess our Council
Meeting and we will actually take our ten (10) minute caption break. When we come
back, we will convene with our Committee Meetings. Ten (10) minute caption break
Thank you
There being no objections, the meeting was recessed at 10 22 a m
The meeting reconvened at 1.32 p.m., and proceeded as follows.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Welcome back. We are back to our Council
Meeting agenda Clerk, can you please start with our Communications?
COMMUNICATIONS•
C 2020-148 Communication (05/05/2020) from the Executive on Aging,
requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal funds, in the amount of
$730,425 00, and to indemnify the State Executive Office on Aging, to be used by the
County of Kaua`i, Agency on Elderly Affairs for the provision of Title III services of the
Older Americans Act, which includes supportive services, congregate meals,
home-delivered meals, preventive health programs, and the National Family Caregiver
Support Program, for the Federal Fiscal Year 2020 that began October 1, 2019 and runs
through September 30, 2021
Councilmember Kuah`i moved to approve C 2020-148, seconded by
Councilmember Kagawa.
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Is there any discussion from the members? It
is just seven hundred thirty thousand dollars ($730,000) of Federal funds.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-148 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6-0-1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro The motion is carried Next item
COUNCIL MEETING 24 JUNE 3, 2020
C 2020-149 Communication (05/07/2020) from the Chief of Pohce, requesting
Council approval to use $63,000.00 in unexpended salaries for the unbudgeted
equipment purchase of twenty-one (21) Mobile Data Terminals (MDTs) to replace aging
equipment for use by patrol officers
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-149, seconded by
Councilmember Chock.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on this item?
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa I want to thank the Chief for updating what
we needed to update Three thousand dollars ($3,000) per laptop seems pretty
reasonable I do not know what kind of equipment it is, but it costs about three
thousand dollars ($3,000) per mobile data terminal Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Councilmember Cowden
Councilmember Cowden Just because it was asked, those are replacing
the computers in the cars
Councilmember Kagawa. Okay, thank you
Councilmember Cowden. They are durable
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Is there anyone else?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item)
The motion to approve C 2020-149 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6.0.1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried Next item
C 2020-150 Communication (05/08/2020) from the Executive on Aging,
requesting Council approval to receive and expend State funds in the amount of
$205,000 00, and to indemnify the State Executive Office on Aging, to be used by the
County of Kaua`i, Agency on Elderly Affairs to support the functions of the Aging and
Disabihty Resource Center and be used for staff development, outreach, awareness,
education, and collaboration with the No Wrong Door (NWD) Network, for the period
June 1, 2020 through May 31, 2021
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-150, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on this item?
Councilmember Cowden
COUNCIL MEETING 25 JUNE 3, 2020
Councilmember Cowden. I pretty regularly attend those meetings even
if by phone and among the aging people... they do have dementia problems and after
a while this helps people who are confused to make sure everyone can get them to the
right place. I support it
Council Chair Kaneshiro Thank you. Anyone else?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-150 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6 0 1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro The motion is carried. Next item
C 2020-152 Communication(05/13/2020)from the Acting Fire Chief, requesting
Council approval, to accept a donation from the Kaua`i Lifeguard Association (KLA) of
a Swift Water Rescue Sled, two (2)jet ski rescue sleds, two (2)jet ski wing collars, and
a Motorola repeater and accessories, valued at $39,582.04, which will benefit the Ocean
Safety Bureau
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-152 with a thank-you letter
to follow, seconded by Councilmember Cowden
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any discussion from the members on this
item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding these agenda litems)
The motion to approve C 2020-152 with a thank-you letter to follow was then
put, and carried by a vote of 6.0.1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried Next item please
C 2020-153 Communication (05/14/2020) from the Executive on
Transportation, requesting Council approval to receive and expend the Federal Transit
Administration (FTA) Section 5311 Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security
(CARES) Act grant, in the amount of$4,453,300 00, and to indemnify the FTA This
Section 5311 grant will be used to fund transit vehicle replacements and operating
expenses, to include, but not be limited to, sustaining the increased cleaning protocols
on transit vehicles and facilities for the health and safety of the community
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-153, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Any discussion from the members on this item?
Councilmember Cowden.
COUNCIL MEETING 26 JUNE 3, 2020
Councilmember Cowden. This is what I brought up earlier I was really
pleased to see thirteen (13) replacement buses coming in with COVID-19 moneys.
That is what I was asking about it might take a while to get them here... and then
three (3) more service trucks. I just wanted to acknowledge that when we are looking
at a constrained budget next year, that some of that will be taken care of by the
CARES Act, COVID-19 moneys
Council Chair Kaneshiro Anyone else9 Councilmember Kagawa
Councilmember Kagawa• I appreciate that fact. I hope we can do a
better job with the bus shelters, some of the homeless are living in there and it does
not encourage using the bus If you cannot even keep the bus shelter for bus patrons,
then there is no sense in buying new buses, because no one will ride the bus Let us
take care of the daily things and with the new things, we can improve
Council Chair Kaneshiro Is there anyone else9 My only comment
would be as we are receiving this type of money from the CARES Act, if we did have
any money budgeted for buses, that the Administration think about moving money
back into Roads. I know we did have to cut the general excise tax (GET) budget,
which affected roads and transportation, and with this money coming in, I think it is
going to make up for the one million dollars ($1,000,000) that was cut for new
buses. They are getting two million six hundred thousand dollars ($2,600,000), but
of course our roads do not get replenished for a portion of the GET that was reduced,
so if we could move money around in the GET from Transportation back to Roads
with this money being supplanted That is my only message to the Administration
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Thank you Anyone else9
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-153 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6.0.1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried Next item
C 2020-154 Communication (05/15/2020) from Bryson M Ponce, Assistant
Chief of Police, Investigative Services Bureau, requesting Council approval to use
$200,000 00 in unexpended travel and retirement contributions for the unbudgeted
purchase of new workstations to assist in creating additional desk space and privacy for
employees involved in investigations and to better utilize unused floor space
Councilmember Kualfi moved to approve C 2020-154, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on this item9
COUNCIL MEETING 27 JUNE 3, 2020
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item)
The motion to approve C 2020-154 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6.0.1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro- The motion is carried Next item
C 2020-155 Commumcation (05/18/2020) from the County Clerk, requesting
Council approval to dispose of the following government records, pursuant to Hawai`i
Revised Statutes (HRS) Section 46-43 and Resolution No 2008-39 (2008), as amended,
which have been kept for over seven (7) years and are no longer of use or value
• Pre-2014 files to include
o Accounts payable files,
o Procurement Contracts,
o Employee vacation, sick leave, and compensatory time accruals;
o Separated employee files; and
o Separated employee working papers
• Audio and video recordings of meetings that have been archived and
for which written minutes have already been transcribed and
approved
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-155, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden
Council Chair Kaneshiro- Any discussion from the members on this item?
Councilmember Cowden
Councilmember Cowden- Is this just County Council records or is this
County overall9
JADE K. FOUNTAIN-TANIGAWA, County Clerk The Office of the
County Clerk.
Councilmember Cowden. Just us, okay.
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any further discussion from the members?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item)
The motion to approve C 2020-155 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6 0 1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro The motion is carried Next item
C 2020-156 Commumcation (05/21/2020) from the Director of Finance,
requesting Council approval to use $200,000.00 in unexpended funds from the Fiscal
Year 2019-2020 budget of the Department of Finance, for the unbudgeted purchase of
new workstations for employees in the Kapule Building, comprised of the Real Property
Assessment Division, Treasury Division, and Motor Vehicle Registration Division, to
create more desk space for employees, maximize the use of the Kapule Building, and to
assist with employee spacing/social distancing during COVID-19
COUNCIL MEETING 28 JUNE 3, 2020
Councilmember Kuah`i moved to approve C 2020-156, seconded by
Councilmember Chock
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any discussion from the members on this item?
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa. I do not know how many different renovations
I have seen over the past eight (8) years, but this is not my first rodeo I am just
wondering if they have a plan that can show us how it is going to look, because that
will help. I have no problem approving this for now, but it seems like the County has
not grown that much, yet, there are many different changes that were proposed and
scrapped, and proposed again. I am just trying to find out if they have thought about
the future, so that when we do spend the money, we make the change.. it is not like
your bedroom where you are moving around a bookshelf This is costing us money to
buy things and change it and right fit it so we can get efficiency. I am hearing people
ask, "What should be better; more efficient, no privacy"... I would like to see an overall
plan as to what we are funding, so we have it for the record and we can hold them
accountable if we have complaints come in Also, when we do something, we should
look at it long-term so that what we do does not waste Government is known to waste
money on bad decisions and hopefully we can change that direction
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden. This is my first rodeo. I did, about a year ago,
have a tour around all of the buildings and look at where everyone was working I
really gained a lot of appreciation for the kind of effort that some people make. Some
were really at a workstation standing in a hallway with a desk that used to be where
a drinking fountain was and they are pretty crowded I support something you are
saying about showing us a plan. I gained a lot of respect for our staff when I realized
how much work they do without a window, without a good place to store their things,
so I really support the idea of reorganizing, especially when it is unexpended funds
Council Chair Kaneshiro Is there anyone else?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item )
The motion to approve C 2020-156 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6 0 1*
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried Next item
COUNCIL MEETING 29 JUNE 3, 2020
CLAIM
C 2020-157 Communication (05/20/2020) from the County Clerk,
transmitting a claim filed against the County of Kaua`i by First Insurance Company
of Hawai`i as subrogee for Unlimited Construction Services, Inc., for damage to their
vehicle, pursuant to Section 23 06, Charter of the County of Kaua`i
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to refer C 2020-157 to the Office of the County
Attorney for disposition and/or report back to the Council, seconded by
Councilmember Chock
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any discussion from the members on this item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item)
The motion to refer C 2020-157 to the Office of the County Attorney for
disposition and/or report back to the Council was then put, and carried by a
vote of 6.0.1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro. The motion is carried Next item
COMMITTEE REPORTS.
A report (No CR-FED 2020-03) submitted by the Finance & Economic
Development Committee, recommending that the following be Received for the
Record
"FED 2020-02 — Communication (05/07/2020) from the Director of
Economic Development, requesting agenda time to present an update on the
Kaua`i Economic Recovery Strategies report,"
Councilmember Chock moved for approval of the report, seconded by
Councilmember Kuali`i
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Any discussion from the members on this item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for approval of the report was then put, and carried by a vote of
6 0.1*
A report (No CR-COW 2020-08) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading
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"Bill No 2791 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
ORDINANCE NO. B-2019-856, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE
OPERATING BUDGET OF THE COUNTY OF KAUAI, STATE OF HAWAI`I,
FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2019 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2020, BY
REVISING THE AMOUNTS ESTIMATED IN THE G E TAX FUND (G E Tax
Surcharge Reduction (COVID-19)— ($2,000,000 00)),"
A report (No CR-COW 2020-09) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Received for the Record.
"COW 2020-02 — Communication (05/15/2020) from Committee Chair
Kaneshiro, transmitting the proposed increases to, deductions from, and other
proposed amendments (plus/minus sheets) to the Mayor's Fiscal Year
2020-2021 Annual Operating and Capital Improvement Projects Budgets,"
A report (No. CR-COW 2020-10) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Approved
"Resolution No 2020-16 RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE REAL
PROPERTY TAX RATES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2020 TO
JUNE 30, 2021 FOR THE COUNTY OF KAUAI,"
A report (No. CR-COW 2020-11) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Approved as Amended on second and final
reading.
"Bill No 2779 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
OPERATING BUDGET AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL
YEAR JULY 1, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 2021 (Fiscal Year 2020-2021 Operating
Budget),"
A report (No CR-COW 2020-12) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Approved as Amended on second and final
reading-
"Bill No 2780 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL
YEAR JULY 1, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 2021 (Fiscal Year 2020-2021 CIP Budget),"
Councilmember Kagawa moved for approval of the reports, seconded by
Councilmember Kuali`i.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on this item
COUNCIL MEETING 31 JUNE 3, 2020
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding these agenda items.)
The motion for approval of the reports was then put, and carried by a vote of
6.0.1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro• The motion is carried Next item
RESOLUTION.
Resolution No. 2020-16 – RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE REAL
PROPERTY TAX RATES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 2021
FOR THE COUNTY OF KAUAI Councilmember Kuali`i moved for adoption of
Resolution No 2020-16, seconded by Councilmember Chock
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on this item?
Councilmember Evshn
Councilmember Evshn I wanted to express my support for the
Residential Investor tax increase I know we talked about it four (4) times already,
it is like beating a dead horse, but for anyone who is watching who does not know
what the Residential Investor tax rate is, again, it is only homes that are valued over
two million dollars ($2,000,000)that are entirely vacant Any home with a homestead
exemption or has someone living in it or has it long-term rented, as long as the owners
file annually to the Real Property Tax Division it will not be included in here. All
the money raised goes towards our Affordable Housing Development Fund. The
reason why I am supporting this increase is because we have really low property taxes
statewide—I think the lowest rates in the country—and that is because we have high
income taxes and high excise taxes, yet we have vacant houses, no one contributing
any form of tax revenue and the State, and the County still needs to supply all the
services to the home, such as road construction, police, fire protection, etcetera I
think it is only fair that they pay more to cover their fair share based on the absence
of income and the absence of taxes. Lastly, we are in this devastating housing crisis
and one (1) in four (4) homes is either a transient vacation rental (TVR) or sitting
entirely vacant and that is because this is a good place for rich investors to park their
money and bank on increasing property values and low property taxes and that type
of speculative investment is really harmful to Kaua`i. It increases the cost of housing,
it encourages vacant homeownership that needs to be discouraged with whatever
mechanism we have, including this Residential Investor tax rate. I mentioned when
we first had this that there are some inequities in the current structure of the
Residential Investor tax rate that I am concerned about The entire increase goes
from right now if you are at one million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine
hundred ninety-nine dollars ($1,999,999) and you go to two million
dollars ($2,000,000), your property tax rate goes up by fifty percent (50%) or sixty
COUNCIL MEETING 32 JUNE 3, 2020
percent (60%). Also if you have two (2) neighbors and their home values are one
hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) apart, in that case, one will be paying sixty
percent (60%) more taxes My hope is that in the future we can work with Real
Property to try and smooth that out and only charge the amount on overage and also
tier the rates so really high value properties pay more I just wanted to express my
support, again, for the increase in Residential Investor rate and not increasing any
other property taxes.
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock Thank you I would also like to thank the
Council for supporting not raising taxes, especially at this time, on the real property
investments, other than the Residential Investor tax class Moving forward with the
next Council, whoever that might be—they are going to be stressed with some pretty
big decisions Right now once protected our Homestead is the current cap, an
incremental cap. It has a ceiling, but it also has a floor As we look towards where
the market may be going, I can see people asking questions as to why their property
taxes are not lowering to the market, if indeed that is the direction we are thinking
of going The future Council will have to make some hard decisions as to how they
maneuver in order to continue to be in the same revenue stream.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Anyone else? If not, roll call vote
(No registered speakers requested to testify regarding this agenda item)
The motion for adoption of Resolution No 2020-16 was then put, and carried
by the following vote
FOR ADOPTION Chock, Cowden, Evslin, Kagawa,
Kualh`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL– 6,
AGAINST ADOPTION• None TOTAL– 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING• Brun TOTAL– 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING• None TOTAL– 0
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa. Six (6) ayes
Council Chair Kaneshiro The motion is carried Next item
There being no objections, Bill No 2780, Draft 1 was taken out of order
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Bill No 2780, Draft 1 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
JULY 1, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 2021 (Fiscal Year 2020-2021 CIP Budget): Councilmember
Kuah`i moved to approve Bill No 2780, Draft 1 on second and final reading, and that
it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by Councilmember Kagawa
Council Chair Kaneshiro Any discussion from the members on this item9
Councilmember Cowden
Councilmember Cowden- I just wanted to make a simple
statement We really worked over this several times and even though we are not
discussing it now, it has been well-discussed
Council Chair Kaneshiro• It is the Capital Improvement Projects (CIP)
Budget.
Councilmember Cowden Yes, the CIP Budget.
Council Chair Kaneshiro Roll call vote
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve Bill No 2780, Draft 1 on second and final reading, and
that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by
the following vote
FOR ADOPTION Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuah`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST ADOPTION• None TOTAL — 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING. Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING• None TOTAL— 0
Ms Fountain-Tamgawa Six (6) ayes
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Motion passes Next item
Bill No. 2791 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE
NO B-2019-856, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE OPERATING BUDGET OF
THE COUNTY OF KAUAI, STATE OF HAWAII, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY
1, 2019 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2020, BY REVISING THE AMOUNTS ESTIMATED
IN THE G E TAX FUND (G E Tax Surcharge Reduction (COVID-19) —
($2,000,000 00))• Councilmember Kuah`i moved to approve Bill No 2791 on second and
final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden
COUNCIL MEETING 34 JUNE 3, 2020
Council Chair Kaneshiro Again, this is a reduction to this fiscal year
due to COVID-19 and a reduction to the G.E. Tax Fund Any discussion from the
members? If not, roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item)
The motion to approve Bill No. 2791 on second and final reading, and that it be
transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the
following vote
FOR ADOPTION. Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST ADOPTION. None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING. None TOTAL— 0
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa Six (6) ayes
Council Chair Kaneshiro Let us finish our discussion on Bill No 2779,
Draft 1 I will suspend the rules We received a lot of testimony regarding the feral
cat program, which was for fifty thousand dollars ($50,000) and the Administration
is available to answer any questions we have. We do have a lot of the information
and the justification for it was in the presentation With that item, we are stuck in
the middle. We did our Habitat Conservation Plan, which allows us to keep lights on
at County facilities. The Convention Hall can have lights on at night, the stadiums
can have lights on at night for football games, but in order to have that, we need a
take permit and we have a requirement in that permit to mitigate predators of these
birds. We have that in one hand, if we want lights on and Friday night football, we
have to mitigate predators and on the other hand, we have the Kaua'i Humane
Society who in moving forward will not be taking in cats We are in the middle This
line item that is not determined what the plan of action is We have been receiving
testimony saying that it is to shoot, kill, and poison That is not what this line is
The line item is to try solve that service that at one time the Kaua'i Humane Society
once took care of Right now no one is there to solve it. If someone finds a feral cat
in their yard, they have no place to take it, as far as a County facility. Basically, that
line item is to address that Does anyone want to ask the Administration questions
Councilmember Cowden
There being no objections, the rules were suspended
Councilmember Cowden. I have a couple questions Do we have a list
of providers that might want to have that contract
MICHAEL A DAHILIG, Managing Director Thank you for that question As
far as a "list," we do not have a list, but we are aware of providers who can meet the
need and on top of that, I would say that they would need to go through the normal
procurement process At this point, it would not be appropriate for me to identify
who exactly would be doing this work
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Councilmember Cowden: Okay, because I received all these letters and
it seemed like the people writing these letters had a specific kind of ruthless way of
having these animals killed and none of that is under contract or on a plan for that
yet, correct?
Mr. Dahilig• I agree with your statement, but I would also
add to that...under Section 5.3(2) of the Incidental Take Permit issued by the United
States Fish and Wildlife Service, under Section 3, we have to humanely remove
predators Anything that we do would be up to the standards of humane removal as
required under the permit If we were to do something not humane, it would be in
violation of the permit
Councilmember Cowden. In working with the Kaua`i Humane Society,
I know that the problem they had at the beginning was this forty-eight (48) hour time
that they had to hold on to a cat that was known to be un-socialized and truly feral,
which is not the case. Right now, the Kaua`i Humane Society is very compassionate
towards the animals The problem that they had was this forty-eight (48) hour wait,
needing to spay and neuter, give them the shots, and then euthanize them. It is a
pretty expensive process and they felt that it was not humane to put them through
those forty-eight (48) hours of difficulty Where is that? Is that in a State or is that
in a contract? How does that get changed; the forty-eight (48) hours, because that
was the stopping point.
Mr Dahilig. I believe the hold was an ordinance issue. But
to also confirm that through the discussions with the Kaua`i Humane Society over
the past year, they have a philosophical concern about euthanizing cats. They are not
a government agency, we cannot compel them to do something under a 501(c)(3)
nonprofit organization that they do not want to do as consistent with its own
governing service That is why you see a cat control item being pulled out of the list
of items in the budget. Their current leadership and their current board of directors
also has philosophical issue with conducting it as a service for the County
Councilmember Cowden I understand right now that our priorities are
the COVID-19 challenges, which actually flows over into this animal situation,
because people are not flying to the United States, the cats and dogs are not flying to
the United States either That is one process that the Kauai Humane Society uses
for live-release rates, but perhaps over the next couple of months, we could do a
comparison with the TNR, and then the euthanizing the animals, because that seems
to be the big breakdown in the conversation between the two (2) passionate sides of
the people who identify with the birds and seals versus the cats. Has the Office of
the Mayor looked into that?
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Mr. Dahilig. We have looked into trap-neuter-release
because that is something that has been impressed on by many in the cat community
being a humane option in lieu of the capture and euthanize. The problem with TNR
is that you also need to release to somewhere that does not endanger bird species In
certain situations where TNR has been used, what has happened is that the cats are
still going to eat birds There needs to be a containment process of leaving the cats
in a sanctuary-type environment, leaving the County to a very high cost to absorb
That is why we have not looked at cat sanctuaries as an option. We investigated a cat
sanctuary on Lanai that does similar type of work, but the start of investment and
the cost that it would take to absorb the human resource and care costs, would not be
in the County's best interest at this time
Council Chair Kaneshiro Councilmember Kagawa
Councilmember Kagawa Mike, you touched on the issue about the TNR
and that it does not take away from the fact that the wildlife is those endangered
birds and monk seals that is negatively affected by any cat that is alive that is feral.
I am a former cat owner, so I am sensitive to issues about cats, but at some point we
are going to have to find a middle ground—agree to disagree and place what is more
important as really the focal point in trying to solve the issue Again, you have to
look at the financial side If the Kaua`i Humane Society refuses to do it and we go out
with contracts maybe something we could not afford Maybe we can work with the
Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR), because they are in charge of
the endangered species, monk seals, shearwaters, and they have forestry animal
experts working for them I know it seems like it is a County's issue, but I would
think they would have an interest, too, because the very thing they want protected
from the cats, they are in charge of Can we merge the two (2) and find a partnership
where we both can benefit and share in the cost9
Mr. Dahing Councilmember Kagawa, I would agree with
your statements I would also add as part of doing the research of providers on our
island able to absorb this function that the Kaua`i Humane Society has philosophical
issue with, DLNR has a contracted entity that does this type of work as part of its
control efforts to minimize predatory takes, so it does provide an opportunity for
synergy and it does provide an opportunity if that particular contractor were to come
the lowest bidder in the procurement process.
Councilmember Kagawa. Thank you If the Humane Society can play a
bigger role, like they used to, I would encourage that idea, but I do not know if they
are at the place where they do not want to deal with cats now We had so many
managers there at the Humane Society, it is hard to keep track on who wanted to
help with the cat situation or not They have the expertise and the tools in the most
humane way to deal with cats I know people's perception of rats are bad, but the
way they control rats, they just drop rat poison, and what do you think happens to
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the rats? They die There are different levels. Cats are like dogs, man's best friend
I know it is a difficult situation, I do not want to deal with it It is something that
needs to be dealt with if we are trying to protect the endangered wildlife. Thank you
for whatever you folks are doing on this, because we have not done much for a while
and that is why the population keeps growing
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Councilmember Chock and then
Councilmember Evslin
Councilmember Chock Just a follow-up to Vice Chair's comments
While it might be a philosophical perspective the Kaua`i Humane Society has in
dealing with cats in a humane way, it does seem to me that it does fit within their
mission to address this concern In a time where we need leadership and they are the
experts, it befuddles me as to why they are not at the table to come up with a
solution. My question is, what is it that they want to do? Other than doubling their
budget...would they be willing to sit at the table to talk about a solution on how to
mitigate this situation. It is definitely their kuleana; it is all of our kuleana
Mr Dahing. I would one hundred percent (100%) agree
with what you are raising A lot of the issues that you are describing are things that
rose as a consequence to the Kaua`i Humane Society, as alluded to in the gentleman's
testimony this morning, saying they are charging ninety dollars ($90) per feral cat I
had a disagreement with them concerning whether or not they are allowed to charge
that fee as a result of our animal control contract with them These are discussions
that have been going on for many months and having feral cats be an inhibited type
of service based on that fee Philosophically, they believe that TNR is what is within
their mission, but again as mentioned, TNR is a very expensive option It is not
unattainable, but given the current fiscal climate and now we are under the federal
obligation with the Incidental Take Permit to reduce a predatory element of a cat, it
becomes one of the scenarios that Councilmember Kagawa raised—look at it from a
value in dollars and cents standpoint We wholeheartedly would prefer that there
not be a fee for the feral cat processing, but they are not a department controlled by
the County, so that is as much as we can do When we renew the contract going into
Fiscal Year (FY) 2021, it is something that we rather find a different solution for
rather than try and debate philosophical differences
Council Chair Kaneshiro Councilmember Kagawa
Councilmember Kagawa You said nine thousand dollars ($9,000) per
cat?
Mr Dahllig• Ninety dollars ($90)
Councilmember Kagawa. Ninety dollars ($90) per cat Okay That is
still a lot
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Council Chair Kaneshiro• Councilmember Evslin
Councilmember Evslin• Thank you Mike for being here What would
be the legal ramifications of us not funding this?
Mr Dahilig We would need to find another mechanism to
engage in predatory control under the Incidental Take Permit If we do not have that
Incidental Take Permit, that permit is the coverage in the event of our lights or
activities cause a "take" of an endangered species. Pursuant to the Migratory Bird
Act or the Endangered Species Act, if we were to do a take—and let me be clear, a
"take" does not necessarily mean "kill" a bird, it includes "harass" a bird The
definition of harassment is very broad, the County could be in arrears or fines of tens
of thousands of dollars per take Say for instance we have four (4) takes, that could
mean hundreds of thousands of dollars that the County could owe should we not have
this permit The cost-benefit of being able to maintain the Incidental Take Permit,
along with some of the other types of benefits, such as Friday night football, are things
that we could lose as a consequence by not having a predatory control program.
Councilmember Evshn Just to be clear, if this were not included in
the budget then the current Seabird Habitat Conservation Plan would be nullified or
invalidated or we would be in violation of it. Therefore, we would not be able to
operate night lights and if we did, we would be at-risk...
Mr Dahilig I think based on what you are describing, it is
a position that we do not want to be called on by the Feds Ultimately, we are going
to do whatever we need to do to try and meet the Federal Incidental Take Permit
conditions that we had mutually agreed on with the Fish and Wildlife Service The
problem is that, again, if we do not have the proper resources and the proper ability
to meet those obligations either by us doing the work, the Kaua`i Humane Society
doing the work, or a third-party doing the work, the Fish and Wildlife Service is going
to come to us and ask us, "Who is doing the work9" and that is where we could be held
accountable in a situation like that
Councilmember Evslin Okay Along those lines, the fact that there
are feral cats living on County properties in proximity to endangered birds outside of
the Seabird Conservation Plan, does that put us in legal jeopardy and have there
been other places suing for similar reasons?
Mr Dahilig. At this time what we are required to do from
a control standpoint is covered property; is our actions covered property, either for
example football games, parks, the Civic Center, and those types of areas. Do those
areas pose a take and that is how they calculate the minimization standards of a take
If there are cats outside of County areas, it would be up to the Fish and Wildlife
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Service to draw that nexus to determine that action of not controlling the cats are
leading to an incidental take That is why you see the State agencies like the
Department of Education folded into the Kaua`i Seabird Habitat Conservation
Plan (KSHCP) plan, you also see the Norwegian Cruise Line, St Regis — Kaua`i, so
the County is not only the party that create takes, therefore, the same standards of
predatory control at these different locations would apply as part of the overall
habitat conservation effort
Councilmember Evslin- Would it only be covered properties within the
plan?
Mr Dahilig That is correct
Councilmember Evslin: You talked briefly about a sanctuary and we
heard testimony about placing all the cats in a sanctuary and I understand financially
we cannot even take care of our homeless population on Kaua`i It is hard to make
an argument about funding a cat sanctuary, but if a private individual were to fund
a sanctuary, there is nothing in this line item that prohibits these cats possibly from
getting trapped and going to a sanctuary, right?
Mr Dahilig That is why we use the word "control " We are
not using the word "euthanization," in the proposed budget. We are not using the
word "killing," or "massacring," we are using the word "control " If that is a
cost-effective method in meeting the requirements of the incidental take permit,
certainly we would be open to taking a look at it It is not outside the realm of question
that should the budget pass by the Council, seeking other methods of control rather
than what is being described in testimony as simply using euthanization as an option,
but it has to be cost-effective
Councilmember Evslin Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Anyone else with questions? If not, thank you
Mike Now is the time we will take public testimony Scott, you will be playing the
voicemail recordings of the testimony and once we have gotten all of the testimony
out, then we will have our ten (10) minutes to speak on the budget Again, this is our
last item There are about thirty (30) recordings
JESSICA BEHNKE (Ina voLcemail message). Hi, my name is Jessica
Behnke. I am calling from Kaua`i about Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget,
line item for feral cat control I am calling in support of the thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000) budgeted to help control feral cats We have an estimated
twenty-five thousand (25,000) homeless cats on the island and the damage done by
predation to our native birds and by cat poop to our monk seals is devastating I have
been a sea bird biologist for almost two (2) decades, thirteen (13) years of which have
been spent on Kaua`i protecting ground nesting endangered sea birds, that are
impacted by feral cats, more than any other conservation issue This is extremely
important. That is it. Thanks so much for your time.
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HEIDI BORNHORST (via voicemail message). Hi, Kaua`i County
Council I am calling to express my support for Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, in the
Operating Budget. Please control feral cats Our native birds are way more
important than feral cats I love cats, but we need to control them in the wild
Mahalo
STEPHEN CANHAM (via voicemail message). Hello, my name is
Stephen Canham. I am a Hawai`i resident. I am calling in support of Bill No 2779,
Draft 1, Operating Budget, line item for feral cat control I strongly support that
Thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) is minimal, but I appreciate that amount
Deprivation and damage that free roaming cats do to native birds is awful The
toxoplasma gondii, that their fecal material passes on, is equally terrible. Please help
to control feral cats with that thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) Thank you so much
Aloha
KAYLEIGH CHALKOWSKI (via voicemail message). Hi, my name is
Kayleigh Chalkowski I am a wildlife biologist calling to support the line item
allocating thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) for the control of feral cats, on Bill
No 2779, Draft 1 In 2017, my colleagues and I conducted a study to detect the
presence of toxoplasma gondii at a number of islandwide sites across Kaua`i. We
found the presence of this parasite excreted only in cat feces, at nearly every single
site, including community centers and public beach parks This parasite and many
other diseases in feral cats is problematic, both for the health of humans and
endangered species T gondii, for example, has been responsible for the death of
Monk Seals, Alala, Nene, and a number of other native species Regarding human
health, I know of at least one case on the island of Kauai where an infant contracted
toxoplasmosis with a high probability of significant neurological impacts For the
health of wildlife in our community, I stress the importance of feral cat control
Thank you.
LINDA CHERKASSKY(via voicemail message) Hello, my name is
Linda Cherkassky My number is (856) 904-9458. I am calling to voice my support
for the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000), budgeted to help control the feral cats I
am calling regarding Bill No 2779, Draft 1, line item for feral cat control. The next
time I visit Hawaii, I want to go to visit to see endemic wildlife I love cats, but they
do not belong on the landscape Thank you
JOANNA CHIN (via voicemail message). Hi, my name is Joanna
Chin I am calling to express my support for Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, the Operating
Budget, line item for feral cat control, because I strongly believe that it is critically
important to control the feral cat population There are about twenty-five
thousand (25,000) feral cats on the island of Kaua`i and they depredate native birds,
including Albatross chicks and harm the monk seal population by the toxoplasmosis
in their poop, so I am calling to support the approval of those funds to be spent to
support the feral cats Thank you, very much.
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THOMAS DAUBERT (via voicemail message). Aloha, my name is
Thomas Daubert I am calling to leave my voice in support of the thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000), to control feral cats, which is included in Bill No 2779, Draft 1 of
the Operating Budget, the line item for feral cat control. I am registering in support
of it Thank you so much. Aloha.
SUSAN DIERKER (via voicemail message). Hello, my name is Susan
Dierker I am calling in support of the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) budgeted for
feral cat control, Bill No 2779, Draft 1, of the Operating Budget. Please, please,
please. We need that money We need to do something about the feral cat problem
Mahalo
CATHY GRANHOLM (via voicemail message) Hello, I live in Princeville
and I am calling to voice my support for Bill No 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget,
line item for feral cat control They do terrible damage to our native birds and monk
seals Also, they live pretty miserable lives. I think the situation needs to be helped
Thank you.
JOHN HARDER (via voicemail message). Hi This is John Harder
from Anahola, Hawaii calling in support of Bill No 2779, Draft 1, feral cat control,
supporting thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) I am sure a tight budget for supporting
the control of feral cats. I am a Buddhist. I believe in supporting all life However, life
is out of balance and the native birds and the monk seals are threatened. I think it is
important to control feral cats. The population is out of control and out of balance I
think this is an important thing for Hawai`i People come here for our natural beauty
as well as our wildhfe That is what I think. Supporting feral cat control, thirty
thousand dollars ($30,000) in the budget for next year Thank you very much
MARCIA HARDER (via voicemail message). Hello, this is Marsha
Harder from Anahola I wanted to ask and plead that in the budget, the line item for
the feral cat control in Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, that thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) be
left in the budget It is so critical to the wildlife on this island We have twenty-seven
thousand (27,000) cats here and they are just devastating our local bird population We
have nesting Albatross on our property, as well as Kolea and Nene, and the feral cats
are just devastating everything If we do not have some money to at least try to control
them, then we just have to give up and we are just going to lose all of our native birds
Please keep the money in the budget We actually could take much more action on free
roaming cats, but at least do this much Thank you so much.
ANGELA HUNTEMER (via voicemail message). Hi I am calling about the
hearing regarding the feral cat control budget item Bill No. 2779. I wanted to call and
voice my support for that. Cats are really devastating to our native and sea birds I
have had numerous personal experiences with Albatross, Iwi, Shearwaters, and of
course the monk seal problem with toxoplasmosis. Please pass the budget for the thirty
thousand dollars ($30,000), which is a minimal amount of money It is very important
that the population is maintained Thank you My name is Angela Huntemer, thank
you.
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GINGER JOHNSON (via voicemail message). Aloha, this is Ginger
Johnson I am calling about Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, which is the Operating Budget line
item for feral cat control. I am definitely in support of this and I think that we have a
terrible feral cat problem I would love to keep our indigenous birds alive Thank you
very much This is Ginger Johnson Mahalo
MAKA`ALA KAAUMOANA (via voicemail message) Aloha, my name is
Maka'ala Ka'aumoana. I am a kupuna from Kaua`i My husband and I had a fishing
family and we have over thirty (30) mo opuna and eighteen (18) great-mo opuna We
go to the beach often—we fish for our food, our children and mo opuna play on the
beach, in the sand, and in the nearshore waters Feral cats defecate on our County
park lands, they defecate on the beach sand, and their feces contains toxoplasmosis,
which is a poisonous substance that poisons monk seals and can cause spontaneous
abortions in pregnant women, which is why they are guided not to empty cat litter
boxes. I am aware that you are hearing a bill tomorrow about spending thirty
thousand dollars ($30,000) to begin the compliance with the Habitat Conservation
Plan for the County. You are spending my tax dollars on doing something good for
my mo opuna and for my family, and for protecting those things we care about. Please
support the thirty thousand dollar ($30,000) beginning expenditure of my tax money
to clean up our County land, parks, and beaches. Mahalo.
CYNTHIA LIBERT (via voicemail message) Hi This is Cynthia Libert,
I am calling in regards to Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget I am in favor of
this If you need someone, I will do the job I hope this will go through. I am fully in
support of this, I have the book, I am reading it, and I love these animals Thank you
I am wanting to make a difference here on Kaua`i Aloha.
CAREN LOEBEL-FRIED (via voicemail message). Hello, my name is Caren
Lobel-Fried I am calling in support of Bill No. 2779, Draft 1 of the Operating Budget
I am calling in support of line item for feral cat control,thirty thousand dollars($30,000)
budgeted to control the feral cats Please, please include this This is so important for
the wildlife that we have and the endemic species that we have here in Hawai`i Thank
you
CHRISTA MCLEOD (via voicemail message). Aloha, my name is Christa
McLeod I am a resident of Kilauea I am calling in regards to the draft budget bill that
will be discussed in regards to the line item regarding feral cats I am support of the
County looking into measures to control the feral cat population. I support that Thank
you.
CATHERINE NEAL (via voicemail message) I am calling to express my
support for the proposition Bill No. 2779, Draft 1 My name is Catherine Neal, thank
you
ANGELA NERRITT (via voicemail message). Hello. My name is Angela
Nerritt. I am calling about Bill No 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget, the line item on
feral cat control I am really hoping that we can support the thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000) to help control the feral cats. I do not believe that they have an
appropriate place in the wild on Kaua`i. I am really hoping that all of Kaua`i is able to
protect the native habitat and the species themselves Thank you very much, mahalo.
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SUSAN OSETH (via voicemail message) My name is Susan Oseth
and I am calling in support of the Operating Budget relating to feral cats I am calling
in favor of the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000). Feral cats have a devastating impact
on the environment, native birds, we have witnessed them in the field Therefore, once
again, I am in support of the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000)for Bill No 2779, Draft 1,
Operating Budget. Thank you
HOB OSTERLUND (via voicemail message). Aloha, this is Hob
Osterlund calling from the Hawai`i Albatross Network and I am calling in support of
the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) that has been budgeted in Bill No. 2779, Draft 1,
Operating Budget, the line for feral cat control We have twenty-five thousand (25,000)
estimated homeless cats on the island and they are killing off our native birds and the
feces is killing the monk seals, this is a big problem here Thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000) is nowhere near enough, but it is a dent especially since the Kaua`i
Humane Society no longer accepts drop-offs from citizens We very much need your
support on this Thank you so much for your time Aloha
NICKI PIGNOLI (via voicemail message)- Aloha I am calling today
in support of Bill No. 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget, the line item for feral cat control,
in the amount of thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) I am definitely in favor of this and
would be in favor of an even larger amount set aside to protect our native birds and
control our feral cat population We have too many animals that are at-risk with that
many feral cats running wild and free Thank you so much Aloha.
SHELDON PLENTOVICH (via voicemail message) Hi, this is Sheldon
Plentovich and I am calling in support of the Draft Bill that includes thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000) to help control feral cats Feral cats are extremely destructive to our
wildlife and toxoplasmosis is the leading cause of death of monk seals in the main
Hawaiian Islands Toxoplasmosis is secreted by feral cats It boggles my mind why we
have not done more as a State to remove feral cats Although thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000) is only enough to get started, it is something I want to voice my
support for Bill No 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget, line item for feral cat control.
Please, please, please help that pass.Aloha
DEBBIE SHENKER (via voicemail message) This is Debbie Shenker
and I live in the Plantations at Princeville I just want to show my support for the thirty
thousand dollars ($30,000) and hopefully that will be spent to control the feral cats It
is just horrible the number of cats that are on-island and the damage that they do to
the indigenous birds particularly the Albatross Please, there are many of us at our
complex who are very much in support of this Thank you
PONO SHIM (via voicemail message)- Aloha, my name is Pono Shim
and I am calling to submit my support for Bill No 2779, Draft 1 That is for the line
item of thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) to help control feral cats I am calling in
support My number is (808) 232-6284. Mahalo
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GRANT SIZEMORE (via voicemail message). Aloha, my name is Grant
Sizemore and I am calling on behalf of American Bird Conservancy and our supporters
I am calling to lend our support to the line item of the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000)
that is currently budgeted for the control of feral cats in the County. This is Bill
No. 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget As I am sure you are probably aware feral cats
are wreaking havoc on Kaua`i's native wildlife—many of those species are already at a
threat of extinction Feral cats are instinctive and pervasive predictors that are every
year killing huge numbers of seabirds, water birds, and actually polluting the
environment through their feces, which has been known to kill endangered Hawauan
Monk Seals and is a major public health threat. On behalf of the American Bird
Conservancy, we just want to notify you of our support for the thirty thousand
dollars ($30,000) budgeted to control feral cats If you have any questions, please feel
free to contact me My phone number is (202) 888-7480 Thank you
LUCAS SPIKEY (via voicemail message) Aloha, my name is Lucas
Spikey and I am calling to support Bill No 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget, line item
for feral cat control. I think it is only worth thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) This seems
like a weird time to be spending thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) for conservation, but
I feel like it is the most important thing I can do. I have been on Hawai`i Island and
Kaua`i for almost twenty years and I have been from Mauna Kea to Waialeale and I
have seen cats and the damages that they can do in all those places when they are just
left to roam free I just wanted to support this particular line item Thank you for
hearing me out Aloha.
LOUISE STEENBLIK(via voicemail message). Aloha. I am calling in
support of Bill No 2779, Draft 1, the Operating Budget for feral cat control Please,
please vote to budget the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) to control feral cats It is
such a problem on the island It is getting worse and worse There is damage done by
predation to the birds, the seal damage is devastating, and we are losing Albatross
chicks. It is really important. There are so many feral cats there. It has gotten bad and
out of control Please do your best to pass that If you have any questions, my name is
Louise Steenblik. My number is (808) 651-6776. Thank you.
JANE STERN (via voicemail message). Hi, my name is Jane Stern
and I live in Anahola I am calling regarding Bill No 2779, Draft 1, the Operating
Budget, specifically the line item for feral cat control I just wanted to say that I am
calling in support of the thirty thousand dollars ($30,000) to help control feral cats In
particular, we are concerned because we have Albatross that nested on our property
and now we have a chick who is almost about to fledge. We are so concerned about the
safety of this chick before it fledges, and all Albatrosses, as well as native birds, monk
seals being devastated by cat feces. I am just hoping that we can stay with the thirty
thousand dollars ($30,000) to help control feral cats Thank you so much I really
appreciate it
PAGE WILLIAMS (via voicemail message). My name is Page Williams
and I am calling from Houston, Texas. My cell phone number is (713) 898 5973. I am
calling in frantic support for Bill No 2779, Draft 1, Operating Budget, the line item for
feral cat control I have been distress for a long time about what the cats are doing to
the monk seals and the birds, too, on Kaua`i. I call to support the Bill. Thank you.
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The meeting was called back to order and proceeded as follows
Council Chair Kaneshiro We had our live testimony earlier today, we
just had prerecorded testimony, and we actually received one hundred ninety-
five (195) written testimony regarding feral cat control. Of those written testimony
received, thirty (30) was in support and one hundred sixty-five (165) opposed Seeing
no further testimony, I will give everyone ten (10) minutes to speak on the budget,
whether it was too fast, too slow each Councilmember will have ten (10) minutes,
this is the final budget, no more changes to it Who would like to go
first? Councilmember Kagawa
Councilmember Kagawa I wanted to go first because I wanted
Councilmember Evshn to disagree with me at the end I want to thank the staff and
thank you, Chair. You have always done a great job. We went a lot faster this time
due to COVID-19. I do not even know how accurate the budget is, really We are not
even sure how bad the economic picture will be down the line, much to say the rest of
the year. Maybe even when I am gone, some drastic changes may have to be made
It is really, really a big question mark going forward I want to thank Jade, Scott, and
all of the staff at our Council This is my eighth budget, my final budget There has
never been more question and worry from me as this budget I am really concerned
as I step out of office and it is not anyone's personal fault, COVID-19 hit us and we
are in a very bad recession My fear is that government is putting trillions into trying
to avoid going into a deeper recession They are trying their best We are already
seven trillion dollars ($7,000,000,000,000) in a hole in commitments made, maybe
even more as we go forward There are going to be ramifications for doing that so
quickly, but nonetheless, as a government, I am hearing Governor Ige to the Hawaii
Government Employees Association (HGEA) as a possible 2-days furlough per week,
and that is a very scary thought How many people will continue to be workings How
many will retire? It is a very scary time
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock. Thank you. On the break, I went down to my
office and found a note It does not say who it is from. When I read the first couple
lines, I thought that reading this might be appropriate It says, "2020 will be the true
test of Hawai`i's political, religious, and business leadership The coronavirus' global
pandemic impact is testing Hawai`i's executive and legislative branch in each county
in the exercise of sound judgment, critical out-of-the-box thinking, creative innovative
solutions, and strategic movement going forward " It has certainly proven an
unprecedented time for us, COVID-19 circumstances On Kaua`i, we are no stranger
to crisis and even in the midst of COVID-19, we are trying to address flood mitigation
and our bridges that are closed because of the rising of water I think that if
anywhere, Kaua'i needed to be flexible and adaptable and I am grateful for the
leadership expressed during this time and really the quick response has helped us,
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the initial five million dollars ($5,000,000) that was appropriated, then followed by
the budget that was quickly submitted I think all of our CIP, TAT, and GET budgets
are lessened and affected. In order to meet the budget that we had, we had to
streamline it Despite approaching COVID-19 rapidly, I thank our previous Councils
in their foresight for what is called "the rainy day fund" or our budget reserve and
retaining the budget reserve. It puts this County in a better position in order to
handle what I feel is forthcoming challenges as Council Vice Chair has mentioned
In addition to that, I think we have responded properly by not raising fees. There
were fees proposed here at the Council by the Administration and only looking at one
area of real property and that is Residential Investor, which will support housing
needs that will affect Kaua`i's most needed families. I think what it really takes is
for our leaders to really work together and if you look around at every municipality
is going to be affected in this next couple years, I think we need to shift
responsibilities to see how we can help people more, which has always been done in
the most respectful way on Kaua`i with aloha In this last day of budget, we got
bombarded.. and thank you Chair for sharing how many testimonies we received for
one (1) budget item only Regarding that specific budget item, at this stage of the
budget, we cannot even amend the budget We can vote against the budget, which
means we would vote against the two hundred fifty million dollar ($250,000,000)
budget for a fifty thousand dollar ($50,000) budget line item What has not been said
is the exposure that this County has been put in to and has to face This has driven
us to put together the Kaua`i Seabird Habitat Conservation Plan There are other
counties around the country that have been attacked, sued, and fined; Florida, New
York, for not having the mechanisms and ways to address these habitats and we are
no different We, on Kaua`i, have experienced these fines for takings It behooves us
to not put the fifty thousand dollars ($50,000) and be subjected to hundreds of
thousands of dollars of fines if we do not do so Of course I support this and I also
believe that all lives matter, but we cannot come up with any solutions if leaders do
not come to the table, such as the Kaua`i Humane Society, but we need a budget item
to have that in order to start that conversation My hope is that the fifty thousand
dollars ($50,000) is the beginning as we address that within our conservation plan. I
want to thank the delegation, because they have been fighting for us, especially on
Kauai. I want to thank our Mayor, our Chairman, who has done a great job over the
years at getting our budget together. Hopefully we will continue to pull together as a
community to recover our community Thank you
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Councilmember Evslin
Councilmember Evslin• Thank you Chair Kaneshiro. Councilmember
Chock and Councilmember Kagawa, I echo what you both has said. Councilmember
Kagawa, I do not disagree with anything you have said there. It has been an
extremely challenging last few months and obviously, this is only my second budget,
but I do not think there was ever a time when a budget was submitted and then
basically abandoned, because of collapsing revenue And to have it happen at a time
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when one hundred fifty percent (150%) of the Administration's focus was on this
ensuing potential pandemic for our island, for the unprecedented global pandemic.
Also, in-person meetings were impossible Given those really extreme challenges, I
think this process went as well as possible I think the Administration really did
develop the best possible budget, given the negative circumstances. From my own
personal perspective, the major challenge in a recession is to try and maintain social
services, especially housing and other forms of subsidies, along with other
construction projects and hopefully maintaining salaries, so we do not tank the
economy even more Even with the ten million dollar ($10,000,000) revenue shortfall
that we are faced with now, this budget largely accomplishes that without any
significant reductions of services. For me, that means that we are doing everything
we can to keep our local economy going through these infrastructure projects, while
ensuring that the residents who need help have access to that, so we can bounce out
of this recession as fast as possible. In addition to that, the CARES Act moneys that
I believe we just got news that the Governor signed and released, will go a long way
to ensure that we can continue to respond to the COVID-19 crisis and to ensure that
residents have a roof over their head and food in their refrigerator There are
certainly major challenges here and I do not want to pretend that the cuts that were
made will not come with some costs. While we are focusing most of our expenses into
our local economy, those huge cuts to travel, training, dollar-funding vacant positions,
cuts to equipment, and some cuts to Wastewater will end up taking a toll in the long
run, especially in the likely event that we will have to take these cuts into the next
budget and even the budget after that Given that, I fully recognize that those were
vital We had no other options and it is vital that we save our reserve as much as we
can for next year's budget when we have much more severe loss in revenue due to
declining real property taxes I think we do have really good employees here at the
County and I am sure in dealing with aging equipment and less training that we are
going to make it through as we tighten our belts here I said this in Committee, but
the single line item in the entire budget that I am concerned about it the
Waste-to-Energy study We briefly spoke about it I am concerned that we are sending
money overseas to a consultant, I am concerned that this may be not suitable for
Kaua`i and that we might waste a year or two to wait for a magic solution to our solid
waste crisis that will probably not be materialized, but as I said in Committee, we
need the data If we are going to be spending over one hundred million dollars for a
new landfill, it is important that we really flesh out all of the other possible
alternatives, even this one. While I personally think that waste-to-energy is not a
viable solution, I am not willing to bet taxpayer money that it is not going to be a
solution, because I do not have the data to back that up. Personally I do not support
the idea, but I do support the Administration in pursuing every alternative that they
need to pursue to try and find a decision when it comes to our refuse future I got
reassurances that they will continue to explore other alternatives for waste
reduction I want to talk a little about the line item for feral cats To rehash a little
about what has been said, this line item was a function that the Kaua`i Humane
Society used to perform, but no longer willing to do I think it was approximately
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three (3)weeks ago that the Habitat Conservation Plan was put in place, which allows
us to have lights on at night, including the stadiums, if we comply with the with the
bird habitat rehabilitation measures I think that this is a win for the County as it
lowers the risks of hefty fines and lawsuits, it allows us to have lights on at night, it
is a win for the endangered seabirds, and I appreciate all of the effort that was put
into this But the principal element of the plan, which is mandated by the federal
government, is removal or control of feral cats from County property covered by the
plan. As we talked about today, if we are not budgeting for or addressing feral cats
and not able to comply with this fresh agreement, we will be back at risk of violating
the Endangered Species Act Not only would we be allowing our endangered bird
species at-risk to be killed, but also put us at risk of federal fines New York was sued
and lost in federal court under the Endangered Species Act for allowing feral cats to
live on land near seabirds, which is the same situation we are facing We cannot take
that risk for our financial bottomline nor can we risk losing our native seabirds
forever As we discussed earlier with Mike, the budget line item for feral cat control
just gives the County the financial flexibility to fund a "to be determined" predator
control effort on County property to be in compliance with the Seabird Conservation
Act and Endangered Species Act I support it, it is legally necessary, and I think it is
our moral responsibility for us to do Thank you to the Administration for putting
together a high-quality budget, thank you for Administration for working so well with
the Council and answering our questions, thank you to our staff and their work efforts
during this challenging time, thank you to Chair Kaneshiro and the rest of my
colleagues for their deliberation, and certainly as Councilmember Chock said a huge
mahalo to the previous Councils to ensure we have a fully-funded reserve here for the
coming hard times. We have some serious challenges facing us, including the difficult
task of diversifying our economy, but I believe this budget will help the residents of
Kaua`i and hopefully minimizing or shortening the length of the recession, while
putting us in a good fiscal position in the next budget cycle That is all
Council Chair Kaneshiro. Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden. Thank you to all of my colleagues who have
spoken very eloquently and discussed most of the points that I would be addressing
This budget was created at unprecedented times and I want to say we really do not
know where the world is going to go in terms of what kind of funding they have I
have missed the opportunity to have the open discussion with each of the
Departments to examine the details, but I have faith that they have done a good job I
know the Fire Department was unhappy with where it was at Each group has taken
cut and losses in areas that I hope they do not go too far if we do not somehow we do
not put the money in I have gratitude for the federal funding It was nice to hear
from the consultants from Washington D C I think a number of these financial
packages coming through will be helping us to backfill our shortfalls, such as the
buses and some of the new equipment I think that COVID-19 response funding has
revealed a number of our system's weaknesses and how valuable are different
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segments and I think in looking at some of the weaknesses, maybe we will come out
stronger in a number of ways The entire time and for a number of years, I wished we
had the video conferencing capacity and maybe we will find a way to get that so that
we can have experts from O`ahu or Washington D.C. to testify for us It might help
us to have a more robust element It is nice that we have been working so hard to
have systems working online for our County We have a lot of elements that will help
us come out of this stronger, better, and more efficient. I think if we do more remote
work or even find some part-time remote attendance for kids in school, that we might
not need more expansion or road improvement, so it is opening doors that is
important Many times I worry about our community,just looking down our revenue
chart of where we take our taxes, each one of them is an indicator of where we show
our vulnerability, so we need to do all we can to make sure businesses are able to
continue It is really important to me that our people stay in their homes. Maybe we
might be able to, with this money coming in, address some of the housing problems
that we have I am really happy for the two million dollars ($2,000,000) for the tiny
houses We might be able to explore new ways. Right now the visitor industry is
taking a huge smack, maybe a little bit under appreciation I think I would like to see
how important that industry is I would like to see that we do not ruin any of our
hotels or resorts, that we are conscious enough as we open with our economic
revitalization to keep all of that healthy It is important for that. I am thankful for
the way we have been able to make it work and I look forward to where we are, more
open, and see each other in all our different departments routinely and working
together comfortably I appreciate that we pulled this off in this time of remote
working and I appreciate all of my colleagues
Council Chair Kaneshiro• Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i. Mahalo nut boa, thank you very much to the
Mayor, to the Administration, to his budget team for all the important information
they provided during our back and forth Thank you to you, Chair and to my fellow
colleagues and to our staff I know that compiling and sending the many questions
that I sent to them was a lot of work Because of the challenges of COVID-19, I
found and this is my sixth budget, this was the hardest budget to work on Part of
it was we had to do our work alone and there was no back-and-forth dialogue with
the Administration Yet, I also found that with the leadership of our Mayor and Chair
that it was the smoothest. I appreciate that As usual our budget is balanced and we
have a reserve fund, according to our policy, which is especially important because
we have already learned about our reductions in TAT revenues for FY 2020 and we
should anticipate more reductions in the coming year In hopes to stimulate our
economy, I strongly support the use of our fund balance for projects, including the one
million seven hundred thousand dollars ($1,700,000) for capital improvements, the
two million two hundred thousand dollars ($2,200,000) deferred maintenance to our
park facilities, and the two million one hundred thousand dollars ($2,100,000) to
Highways for our roads Also being sensitive to the hardship that everyone is facing
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due to COVID-19 pandemic, I strongly support the Mayor's cancellation of the
proposed user fee increases. The fees such as solid waste fees, tipping fees, park fees,
and golf fees. As for real property tax, as it was said already, we did not increase any
taxes other than the Residential Investor tax. Increasing that classification, as
Councilmember Evslin described earlier, was very important because the four million
five hundred thousand dollars ($4,500,000) that the Administration originally was
going to put into our Housing Development Revolving Fund was disappearing with
all of our cuts, so at least we maintained the two million three hundred thousand
dollars ($2,300,000) to invest in our housing programs and homeownership. As for
budget savings or cuts, it always starts with labor costs, our biggest expense for our
County I find that as usual the Vacancy Report from Human Resources (HR) is our
strongest tool in finding savings. I know I have used it extensively I was more than
happy to see the Administration short-fund seventeen (17) vacant positions for six (6)
months, netting the savings of six hundred thousand dollars ($600,000) I also
supported the hiring freeze on new positions, but I thought it was important to
support and fight for the Senior Clerk position at the Housing Agency after learning
that position can help us go after an additional one million five hundred thousand
dollars ($1,500,000) in rental assistance funding or the Section 8 program funding,
which would not only greatly increase helping more people, but it would also pay for
the position going forward It is worth the investment. Of course the reduction in
training and travel by fifty percent (50%), except for mandatory and safety trainings
that need to happen I supported the purchasing of critical solid waste equipment
operations and the deferral of replacing vehicles. The small thing that I thought was
important was asking for and getting the twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) to
the Transportation Agency's advertising line item where they promote free bus
passes The funds will help provide discounts to nonprofits, such as Catholic Charities
and Easter Seals, which will allow them to serve more of their clients For me the
biggest success of this budget session is that we were able to balance the budget
without any furloughs or layoffs and without raising property taxes to our residents
and the Homestead tax class My hope in the coming years is that for everyone in the
County who is in the position to do so will look for budget savings and efficiencies in
order to help with next year's budget, which will surely be more difficult as our GET
and TAT revenues are further diminished The one item I was happy to see is the
homeless rapid response initiative survived the cuts I am hopeful to see how we can
help with that and be successful. The last thing the one person who came to testify
about the County converting to electric vehicles and shared the comparisons, I found
it interesting that the purchase price was basically equal, but when you look at the
cost of maintenance and fuel, the cost of the electric car over time was one-third, so
economically it is a good deal in the long run I am hoping we can move the County
to electric vehicles one hundred percent (100%). We need to address climate change
and be an example for the rest of the island. Thank you to our Hawai`i Delegation in
Congress for all the work that they are doing getting us COVID-19 support, thank
you to our Kauai Delegation and their support, and thank you to all of you and to our
staff, the Administration and the Mayor
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Council Chair Kaneshiro. This was definitely the most unique budget
we have ever had People have asked me, "We barely see you on television, what are
you folks doing?" and to tell you the truth we had to work harder on this budget than
we ever had to do. We had to do all of our work, E-mail it off, and analyze all of the
information all on our own In the past, we had everyone here, you would have people
asking questions, everyone would be able to absorb the information, they think of new
questions, and we were able to move forward. In this case, we were at home looking
at the budget, writing all of our questions down, sending our questions over, and
fortunately for us it went smoothly because the Administration was very receptive to
us, too. The Administration got our answers back to us on time, answered our
questions, and I think that relationship and that communication made the process a
lot smoother than it was in the past. They were very open when they submitted the
initial budget, they were very transparent with us about the changes they made to
the budget As we were going through the budget process, they were very open to the
changes and concerns we had, which is why you did not see a lot of things come
through or fighting with the Administration, trying to cut certain things in the budget
and it is because we had the opportunity and the openness to talk to them about
it. Obviously we saw a huge reduction in the budget due to COVID-19, which was
unexpected. I remember Councilmember Kuali`i and I went up to NACo at the end
of February and all of the counties were there at Washington D C for a big
conference I have a friend from Texas and he asked, "How is Kaua`i doing?" I
responded, "Kaua'i is booming Our unemployment rate is low, people are talking
about over-tourism, too many people on-island," and in just a matter of two (2) weeks,
we were on lockdown, you could see how many rental cars were returned, we were on
a 9 00 p m curfew, and saw how many jobs had to shut down for a number of months
Who would have ever thought we would be in that situation? I am glad that over the
years we have been disciplined with our budget and having that reserve and we saw
the benefit in that We have seen the benefit of that over the years We saw how it
helped with the major flooding on the North Shore, we saw how it helped out with
COVID-19, we saw how it happened with a major flooding during COVID-19
again. We were able to put resources to it in a reasonable way We were not drying
our resources out, spending the money wherever, and then searching for the money
when we had an emergency. We were prepared and I am happy to say we are still
prepared for emergencies. We took this budget conservatively We are getting
prepared for the next few years and the next few years is new territory. The entire
planet does not know what they are going to do Our main focus is protecting our
residents, which has always been our main focus We are going to protect our
residents at all cost Also, sustaining and recover How do we recover from this? We
went from over-tourism, too many people, to no one I do not know I do not think
anyone knows what industry will look in the future. We are writing a new book right
here We do not know how travel is going to look like. We do not know what our
restaurants will look like or a gym is going to look like I am happy that the past
Councils and this Council have been very fiscally responsible in knowing that we need
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to be prepared for regarding these types of emergencies. Things like TAT, which was
a very difficult decision for Councilmembers to vote on, increasing tax on the entire
island, but if we did not pass that, roads like Koloa
Councilmember Cowden. GET
Council Chair Kaneshiro• GET, I meant. I am sorry. If we did not pass
GET, roads like Koloa and Maluhia would never get touched We were only saving
one million dollars ($1,000,000) every year Koloa and Maluhia are going to cost over
twenty million dollars ($20,000,000). These are the big steps we had to take to ensure
that we will be okay. Roads have been a big problem, can you imagine if we did not
receive twenty-six million dollars ($26,000,000) for roads? We would not know what
to do. We could barely fix potholes. I am very happy with the budget Again, we
have to be conservative of how we move We are in a good position We have CARES
Act money that is going to be coming in and it is only going to add to what we have
We are all in this together. We are going to get through it We got through this
budget It is a balanced budget, a fair budget It takes care of the needs that we
have Next year will probably be a little tougher We will probably get TAT money
taken away from the State because the State will not have that much TAT money,
but I think Kaua`i is set up in a very good position. I am confident that the future
Council will see the position that we are in and try to maintain that, because
ultimately if we are in a good position, the island will be in a good position If we
spent endlessly and look at furloughs, we are going to mess up everyone, which we
are not trying to do. With that, I want to thank everyone who worked hard on the
budget Again, the open communication, the good relationships we have had I think
has helped this budget get through very smoothly It is probably the biggest changes
we have seen in a budget Staff worked hard, the Councilmembers worked hard, and
the Administration worked hard and the budget is a good representation of that
Thank you to everyone for their hard work We are going to move forward, we are
going to get through this, and we are all together as an island. With that, any further
discussion or comments from the members? Roll call vote
The motion to approve Bill No 2779, Draft 1 on second and final reading, and
that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by
the following vote
FOR ADOPTION• Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST ADOPTION. None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING None TOTAL— 0.
Ms Fountain-Tanigawa Six (6) ayes
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Council Chair Kaneshiro Motion passes Seeing no further business and
hearing no objections, this Council Meeting is now adjourned
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, the Council Meeting adjourned at 3.15 p m
Respectfully submitted,
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JA►' ' FOUNTAIN-TANIGAWA
County Clerk
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*Beginning with the March 11, 2020 Council Meeting and until further notice,
Councilmember Arthur Brun will not be present due to U S v Arthur Brun et al ,
Cr No 20-00024-DKW (United States District Court), and therefore will be noted as
excused (i e , not present)