HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/25/2020 Council minutes COUNCIL MEETING
NOVEMBER 25, 2020
The Council Meeting of the Council of the County of Kaua`i was called to order
by Council Chair Arryl Kaneshiro at the Council Chambers, 4396 Rice Street,
Suite 201, Lihu`e, Kaua`i, on Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:53 a.m., after which
the following Members answered the call of the roll:
Honorable Mason K. Chock
Honorable Felicia Cowden
Honorable Luke A. Evslin (via remote technology)
Honorable Ross Kagawa
Honorable KipuKai Kuali`i
Honorable Arryl Kaneshiro
Excused: Honorable Arthur Brun*
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Please note that we will run today's meetings
pursuant to Governor Ige's Supplementary Emergency Proclamations with the most
recent relating to the Sunshine Law being his Fifteenth Supplementary Emergency
Proclamation dated November 16, 2020.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA.
Councilmember Chock moved for approval of the agenda, as circulated,
seconded by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion on the agenda?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for approval of the agenda, as circulated, was then put, and carried
by a vote of 6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item are the
Minutes.
MINUTES of the following meetings of the Council:
November 12, 2020 Council Meeting
November 12, 2020 Public Hearing re: Bill No. 2805, Bill No. 2806,
Bill No. 2807, Bill No. 2808, Bill No. 2809, Bill No. 2810, Bill No. 2811, and
Bill No. 2812
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Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve the Minutes as circulated, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion on this item from the
Members?
(No written testimony were received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding these agenda items.)
The motion to approve the Minutes, as circulated, was then put, and carried
by a vote of 6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Next item is the Consent Calendar. Clerk, are
we able move out Bill No. 1993, Draft 1, and Bill No. 2044 for discussion?
CONSENT CALENDAR:
Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2246) —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
ORDINANCE NO. PM-316-95, RELATING TO ZONING CONDITIONS ON
PROPERTY IN KAPA'A HOMESTEADS, KAUAI
Resolution No. 2004-01 — RESOLUTION PROPOSING A CHARTER
AMENDMENT TO ALLOW MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
UNDER MAYOR-COUNCIL APPOINTMENT PROCESS TO APPOINT MORE
THAN ONE ADDITIONAL MEMBER
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2246) and
Resolution No. 2004-01 for the record, seconded by Councilmember Kagawa.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2246) and Resolution
No. 2004-01 for the record was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Bill No. 1993, Draft 1, and Bill No. 2044 will
be taken separately out of the Consent Calendar. The only items for receipt on the
Consent Calendar is Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2246) and Resolution No. 2004-01. Is
there any discussion from the Members?
Hi, Mr. Enright. You will have a total of six (6) minutes. I am not sure if you
are able to see the light? It will turn green when your time starts, it will turn yellow
when there is thirty (30) seconds remaining, and it will turn red when your time is
up, state your name for the record, and you may begin your testimony.
We will take public testimony on all Bills that we have testifiers waiting. The
first bill that we are going to take public testimony on is Bill No. 2044 that was on
the Consent Calendar. The first registered speaker is Rory Enright.
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Bill No. 2044 —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND OPEN DISTRICT
DESIGNATIONS ON ZONING MAP ZM-PR700 AT PRINCEVILLE, KAUAI,
HAWAI`I
There being no objections, the rules were suspended to take public testimony.
RORY ENRIGHT (via remote technology): Good morning, my name is Rory
Enright. Thank you, Councilmembers, for giving us the opportunity to testify this
morning on Bill No. 2044, in its entirety. Some of you may or may not know, but I
was the General Manager for Princeville at Hanalei Community Association for
ten (10) years until I retired at the end of year 2019. This has been a long-standing
issue in my mind. I would like to provide background and I am not going to belabor
this, being that it gets complicated. Many people do not understand what consists of
the Princeville community. It is one of several master planned communities in
Hawai`i, which means in addition to paying taxes to the State and County, we also
pay taxes to our community. We call them "dues," but it is "taxes." Those dues pay
for our roads, parks, and other parts of the community's infrastructure, thereby
reducing the burden on the County and providing services without any help. In many
ways the Princeville community is self-sufficient. However, when it comes to land
use and zoning, we are dependent on the State and County government regarding
laws and enforcement, which is why this Bill is so important. The approval of the
Prineville Development Plan has strong County and State requirements for open
space and these requirements were met through the combined acreage dedicated to
the golf course and the greenbelts. These balanced out the density of the resorts,
multi-dwelling units, and the homes. Unfortunately, the Comprehensive Zoning
Ordinance which was written soon after the plans for Princeville were approved,
introduced a concept of Open Space having building density. This created the
potential for someone to develop in the golf course thereby encroaching upon the
original open space that was required for the overall community to be approved.
Former Councilmember Kouchi's Bill No. 2044 seventeen (17) years ago was an
attempt to correct this problem. I spent some time trying to understand and peel
back what really happened in history. If my understanding is correct, it appears the
past County Council and the Planning Department who worked on this Bill let it go,
there was no follow-up, and it is a mystery to me regarding what happened. As a
result, as this Council is being asked to put Bill No. 2044 to rest, the threat that
former Councilmember Kouchi saw seventeen (17) years ago has become real for us.
The new owners of the Princeville Resort are pursuing a development plan for a new
glamorous camping resort on part of the golf course and in the middle of an existing
community. They have discussed the possibility of future development. This would
have never occurred if the work regarding Bill No. 2044 had been completed. I am
asking and begging the Council if you do not agree to keep Bill No. 2044 alive, please
help to initiate another bill designed to accomplish the same objectives. If you agree,
please do not lose the testimony made by Princeville residents in 2003 to the Planning
Commission. Many who spoke are no longer with us, but their testimonies now
represent the living remembrance of what had been promised to the State, County,
and the future residents of Princeville by its developer. We truly need your help.
Thank you very much for your time listening to me and other members of the
community. Best wishes for the best possible Thanksgiving during this challenging
time. Thank you very much.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Mr. Enright. Next up we have
Teresa Tico, followed by Tom or Lorraine Mull.
TERESA TICO (via remote technology): Thank you, Chair Kaneshiro.
Teresa Tico, testifying on two (2) bills. I am testifying on Bill No. 1993, Draft 1
relating to Public Access and Bill No. 2044 relating to amending the open district
designations at Princeville. Before you bury these Bills, we should note more about
why they fell through the cracks. We should learn more about the history of these
Bills before taking any action on them. It was clear that it was extremely important
to the community at the time they were introduced nearly twenty (20) years ago.
Personally, I believe these Bills are more important today.
First, let me address Bill No. 1993, Draft 1. I understand that this Bill would
open public access to important historical and cultural sites. As you know, our State
has a very long and important history of mandating public access to our beaches and
mountains. Yet, more and more private property owners are blocking this access. I
am speaking from personal experience. I have a road near my home in Ha`ena that
we used for decades to access Makua Beach. The landowners have not maintained
the road, they let it fall into disrepair, and making us believe that this is a County
road, which seems to be in dispute. Nonetheless, the landowners have taken it upon
themselves to bring in boulders and block the road so we can no longer park.
Traditionally, this has been used by fishermen, surfers, beachgoers, and local families
for enjoyment of a beach, which is in the public trust. We need to revisit this Bill.
Before you bury this Bill, let us revise it, let us study it, let us open beach and
mountain access, and not let it continue to be blocked. These places belong in the
public trust.
Moving on to Bill No. 2044. I submitted written testimony, so I will not
reiterate what is in that letter. If you have not read this Bill, I believe it should be
revised, studied, and written into law. As the attorney for the Sunset Drive
Community Association, which is comprised of twenty-six (26) homes and
approximately one hundred (100) residents who abut the Woods Golf Course at
Princeville, I researched the zoning history. As you know and as Mr. Enright testified
to, there was significant community effort in 2002 and 2003...not necessarily to
rezone, but to clarify that the green space and golf course were always intended to
remain in Open Space. I am not sure if you had the time to read the public testimony,
but it is extremely important. I urge you to take the time to read it because speaker
after speaker testified that it was represented to them by the owner of Princeville, at
that time it was Eagle County Development Corporation, that these golf courses, open
spaces, and valleys, would always remain as open space in perpetuity. Based upon
those representations, they purchased their properties. This effort in 2002-2003 was
to clarify that despite the Open zoning designation, it was always intended and
represented that these lands would remain in green space. The early documents
clearly established that, especially for Phase I. We need to revisit the environmental
impact statement that was prepared because it states that there would be "zero" units
available in the Open zoned properties. We know from the archival research that the
agreement between the County and the Eagle County Development Corporation was
that all improvements and utilities for the subdivision were required to be completed
by December 1971. No infrastructure was provided for residential or commercial use
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in any of these greenbelt valleys or golf courses. So, this should be the end of story
and we should not even be discussing this. I think it is clear from the archival records
that these spaces were always intended to remain undeveloped in perpetuity.
Apparently, it is not the end of story because as Mr. Enright said we now have a
developer who wants to come in and build a luxury glamping resort, which abuts
many of my clients' homes. I visited one (1) of my clients last week and I was shocked
to see in their backyard where the glamping resort would be built. Again, it was
represented to them, "You buy this home, the prices are higher, but look what you
get—this permanent green space." This issue is not going to go away. We need to
address it head on and we need to make it right. That is all we are asking. Let us
revisit this law, reintroduce it, pass it, and do what was originally intended. Thank
you for your consideration.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Ms. Tico. Next up is Tom or
Lorraine Mull, followed by Ken Rosenthal.
TOM MULL (via remote technology): Good morning everyone, Tom Mull. My
wife and I have been residents of Princeville for almost thirty (30) years. I am here
to speak on Agenda Item "E," on the Consent Calendar, Bill No. 2044. I think I know
where Bill No. 2044 has been for the last seventeen (17) years, it has been there
alongside that favorite watch of mine that disappeared ten (10) years ago, or that
sock that disappeared from the wash a few weeks ago. It disappeared out of the blue.
I looked around and I could not find either. All of a sudden from the parallel universe,
the watch drops back into my life. I had actually forgotten about it by then. When
you find something that has been lost for a long time, what do you do with it? You
look at it and inspect it, to see if it still works, to see if it is alive, and you see if the
watch still ticks. This Bill is alive. Definitionally it is alive, because it is set on the
schedule of the calendar to be killed. It would not have to be killed if it was not still
alive. It had value then, it had purpose, and it has more value and more purpose now
considering what Ms. Tico previously stated. This Bill is more important than
ever...please do not toss this Bill. Examine, inspect, and find out what really
happened—test it, let it sink, let it swim. That is not the important point right now.
Please do not summarily dispose of it. It happens to be Thanksgiving Eve and I could
not help but think of this. They are carving turkey on Thanksgiving Eve, they did
not kill the turkey, please do not kill this Bill, let it live. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Ms. Mull, were you going to testify also, or did
you testify together?
LORRAINE MULL (via remote technology): I know that there are
quite a few people lined up and waiting to testify today. I believe that these are very
incredibly competent people with a lot of history, insight, and will do a great job. We
are from the same household. In the interest of time, I will pass it onto Mr. Rosenthal.
Mr. Mull: My wife passing up the opportunity to speak
is something special right there.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Mr. and Ms. Mull.
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Ms. Mull: Thank you so much.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Next up is Ken Rosenthal, followed by Mary
Paterson. Mr. Rosenthal state your name for the record and you may begin.
KEN ROSENTHAL (via remote technology): Ken Rosenthal,
Princeville resident. Aloha. I will not take a lot of time because I feel what has been
said is good. I would like to express my consideration. Mahalo, for allowing the safety
words regarding"saving" the open space in Princeville. I have been a Kaua`i resident
and property owner in Princeville since 2009. As we know, Kaua`i Council Bill
No. 2044 was a Bill for an Ordinance to amend the Open District designation on the
zoning map for Princeville. The Bill referred to the Open District designation of
greenbelts, parks, and golf courses in Princeville. This Bill was passed through first
reading of the Council in 2002 and sent to the Planning Commission. It has been
dormant in the County's pending log awaiting response. I am simply requesting that
Bill No. 2044 be reconsidered at this time. The Bill is very timely, pertinent, and
relevant especially today to Princeville residents. Perhaps the Council would
consider a further review of this Bill, thus postponing any vote to dispose of it until a
deeper dive into this Bill is under review. I would like to express my strong opinion
with the Bill being revived at some point and become an Ordinance to protect the
existing green spaces of Princeville as it is critically important to maintain the open
spaces in our community. The greenbelts and open spaces are an integral part of our
community, and a large reason that many of us purchased our homes. It would be
the right thing to do to maintain the integrity of the community and maintain these
essential open spaces. Mahalo and Happy Thanksgiving.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Ken. Happy Thanksgiving to you
also. Next up is Mary Paterson followed by Carolyn Padgett.
MARY PATERSON (via remote technology): Aloha, Councilmembers.
Thank you so much for allowing us to speak. My name is Mary Paterson. I am a solo
resident of Princeville. I moved to Kaua`i in 2002 when this Bill was initiated. At
that time, I worked for Princeville Cooperation, Marketing Department, from
1989-1992. The open spaces, particularly the golf courses, were revered, and an
essential element to the attraction of Princeville for everyone who bought there. I
knew most of the Councilmembers who supported the Bill, but I do not recall ever
being made aware of the outcome. I did not receive anything from the title company
about restrictions or the dedication that has come to light recently that would allow
golf courses and the open spaces to be developed after 2026. I believe that was the
result of the CZO which came into existence after the original golf course
development. The intent of the development company was to have the open spaces
dedicated and remain as open space in perpetuity. I agree with everything that has
been said and I do not have much more to add. However, I would like to mention that
it is not only the Princeville residents that benefit from the golf courses and all the
open spaces. The visitors that come here also benefit, because we are the only visitor
destination on the island, legally, Princeville Resort. There are many people who
come to visit here, and they are taking advantage of beautiful walking/jogging paths
that have been upgraded and widened to allow for safe transit for bikes, walkers, and
strollers. If we were to allow the golf courses to be developed in any form or fashion,
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it would literally bury Princeville. I am not able to see that it would remain an
attractive place. People would start fleeing Princeville. The property taxes have
decreased and sales of properties alongside the Woods Course is having an effect
because of this and no one wants to buy these homes. It is destroying people's lives
right now. I urge you, as everyone else has, to resurrect this Bill, write a new one,
and not let this slip through the cracks. It is vitally important that we get this Bill
or something similar passed to ensure Princeville remains the way it is in perpetuity,
and the open spaces remain undeveloped. I appreciate all of you very much. I
specifically want to acknowledge Councilmember Cowden who has responded to all
the people who wrote to her. She sent responses individually and I think that was a
wonderful thing to do. I wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving and I appreciate
you allowing us to speak.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Next up is Carolyn Padgett.
Ms. Padgett is not on. With that, I will close testimony for Bill No. 2044 and I will
open up the testimony for Resolution No. 2020-57, COVID-19 testing. While the rules
are still suspended, we have Stephen O'Neal, followed by JoAnn A. Yukimura.
STEPHEN O'NEAL (via remote technology): Thank you everyone, for
taking the time to listen to our testimony. My name is Stephen O'Neal, and some of
you may already know that I have been actively involved in trying to understand this
situation and how to best respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. My background is in
business and a variety of things that involve a lot of logistical complexity. I worked
for the United Nations (UN) in disaster relief where I found my ability to handle the
complexity and tend to work well. I would like to speak in support of Mayor
Kawakami's decision to opt out of the Safe Travels Program. I want to be clear that
I am pro-opening and pro-economic activity. What I have seen around the world is
containment. If we contain the virus in a reasonable way, you would then have good
economic activity. If we do not contain it, activity drops off, even before any lockdown.
I pulled my three (3) children out of the local public school on Friday, which I am
really sorry that I had to do that. However, I was able to normalize our testing
numbers—the number of people we test per one thousand (1,000) on Kaua`i which is
about three (3) to three and one half (3%) on average per thousand. I was able to
compare that to California's numbers where they test approximately five (5) per one
thousand (1,000); where Massachusetts tests twelve (12) per one thousand (1,000). It
became clear to me that any minute, if not already, if we continue the path that we
are on the schools will end up closing. From what I can see, some of the schools will
be closed according to the California standards. I made that decision with my wife to
homeschool, it is difficult to do, and we have the luxury of having two (2) parents to
focus on them along with other relatives with us. I would also like to say that I think
moving forward, the way that this virus is managed is by turning the spigot on and
off and giving the Hawaii State Department of Health time to actually understand
what cases come in and to manage them. This is not a binary all-open or all-closed.
Any other country that has managed the virus well has made the decision to open-up
and be closed for a little then open-up and closed again. That should be the
expectation and looked at as a wise action by Mayor Kawakami and Dr. Janet
Berreman. I would like to also briefly share that I have written five and/or
contributed (5) or six (6) articles them that have been in a variety outlets. A lot of
reporters will contact me and ask for my opinion or ask for the data. I try to make
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all my decisions based on data. It is clear to me that a lot of them do not understand
the unique situation that Kaua`i is in. I had regular communication with Dr. Josh
Green back in June, when we lived on O`ahu. Being that we saw the numbers spiking
there, although the number was still small, it was clear that the trajectory was going
to get bad, w moved to Kaua`i and I was thrilled to do so as it was always my first
choice. Dr. Josh Green and I were able to communicate—it was short, but clear
conversations, until he decided that they needed to open the State at all costs. In
doing that, I pointed out to him and said, "Hold on a second, you are well aware that
Kaua`i has seventy-two thousand (72,000) people, no community spread, and almost
no cases." Nowhere on the planet outside of New Zealand and a few other island
nations are in this situation. This is a huge spoken secret. I said, "Your decision to
open-up O`ahu and recognizing that you will bring the virus in, yet you are feeling
that is okay because there is so much community spread it is not going to make a big
difference." That was an irresponsible decision to affect and impose on Kaua`i, which
had no community spread. There has been an uproar around the scientific and
medical community because it does not fit in the "do not harm" or Hippocratic Oath.
That was sort of his end of communication with me. He stopped replying to my
E-mails. His last E-mail was, "I am not able to change the direction of Governor Ige
to push through." I think that Kaua`i is sort of a victim of this. In order to have a
unified front across the State, Kaua`i is getting kicked under the bus as we are now
finding this out with data injected with community spread. This is a very appalling
idea. I am hoping that everyone understands that. If you do not understand it, I
would like to make myself available alongside the doctors on the island to help make
that clear. It is not about being closed, it is not about protecting our turf, privacy, a
quiet space, et cetera. It is about managing this virus. In order to do this correctly,
you need to execute very carefully and recognize that there are very different
situations on each island. You all have my E-mail address by now, if not, I am sure
you are able to find it. I hope this is helpful to you, and thank you for doing your
work.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Mr. O'Neal. Next up is JoAnn A.
Yukimura.
JOANN A. YUKIMURA (via remote technology): Good morning, Chair and
Councilmembers. Thank you for this opportunity to testify in support of Resolution
No. 2020-57. Yesterday, I received shocking news that my good friend Ron Clark died
of COVID-19 on Kaua`i. Perhaps some of you knew Mr. Clark? He was a big-hearted,
jovial man who worked in the visitor industry. It really brings it home when you
know someone who has died from the disease. I am speaking openly about Mr. Clark's
death, because I know he would want me to do so if it could help to establish safe
policies that would help prevent future death and suffering on Kaua`i. The State's
Safe Travels Program and the 1-test plan is not safe. It is not based on science
because it ignores the biology of the coronavirus. A person can be infected or test
negative for the first four (4) days of the infection because it takes five (5), six (6), or
seven (7) days usually for the viral load to incubate enough to be detected in a test.
Other ways that the 1-test does not work is described in the fifth paragraph of the
Resolution before you. There is no science behind the State's 1-test plan, and a lot of
science indicating that it will not work. I will be submitting those cities in written
testimony. Besides science, there is also data since the reopening showing that the
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1-test plan is allowing a lot more infected travelers, both visitors and returning
residents, to enter Kaua`i than what was predicted by Lieutenant Governor Green
and business leaders in Honolulu.
Kaua`i's voluntary post-travel test, thanks to Mayor Kawakami, has identified
incoming travelers who have turned positive several days after a negative pre-test,
as predicted by science. Lieutenant Governor Green has claimed that only one (1)
out of one thousand (1,000) travelers coming to Kaua`i is infected. However, so far,
his own surveillance test on Kaua`i is showing fifteen (15) times more infected
travelers per one thousand (1,000). That is actual data. The COVID-19 numbers on
Kaua`i jumped dramatically from five (5) infections in the sixty-three (63) days prior
to the reopening to fifty-three (53) in the last forty (40) days. Advocates of the
reopening have said that it was necessary for the economy, but as Mr. O'Neal pointed
out, the opposite is happening. Because of the rise in COVID-19 cases due to the
reopening, the local economy is retracting. The Hanapepe Economic Alliance
reluctantly cancelled their Hanapepe Art Night because of the increased danger, and
I have heard that the much anticipated Kaua`i Made Products Fair...mahalo to Grove
Farm for the site...which our crafters and creative businesses need so urgently, had
to be cancelled. Residents with money to spend, there are more than you think;
government workers, online workers, retirees, wealthy second homeowners, are
hunkering down once again because it is increasingly unsafe. The economy needs
safety, certainty, and freedom from the virus to thrive. I support Dr. Berreman's idea
of a moratorium on the Safe Travels Plan and the Mayor's request to opt out of the
plan going back to the 14-day quarantine on December 1st. Let us use that time and
our laulima spirit to get rid of the virus by the New Year. While we are doing that,
let us design and build a safe way for visitors to come. I am in favor of welcoming the
visitors, but with a safe plan that consists of a 2-test plan and a six-day quarantine
and released on the seventh day based on a negative second test. That would be a
science-based plan. Such a screening process may be inconvenient, but if we design
a good border screening with attention to detail, workability, and cost-effectiveness
as well as effectiveness for the community and the visitors, and create a safe place
that would become very desirable to visit, visitors will come. Let us reinvent our
tourism that will keep the island safe. Let us become a COVID-19 free kipuka, where
our children can go back to school and resume as normal, grandparents are able to
hug their grandchildren, we can hold football games, and the visitor industries do not
have to be afraid to go to work—like New Zealand. I know we can do it. Happy
Thanksgiving to you and your family. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you, Ms. Yukimura. Happy
Thanksgiving to you too. That concludes testimony for Resolution No. 2020-57. Next
up is testimony for Bill No. 2797. We have Howard Greene. This is regarding the
West Kaua`i Community Plan (Plan). Mr. Greene, is your testimony split between
the two (2) items or are you testifying on Bill No. 2797 and Bill No. 2800, Draft 1
regarding the Waimea Plantation Camp, at the same time?
HOWARD GREENE (via remote technology): Yes, I will do it all at once.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Okay.
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Mr. Greene: I will add a little blurb for Bill No. 2799 since
it is related. Aloha and good morning. My name is Howard Greene and I am the Vice
President and Project Manager for Gay & Robinson, Inc. (G&R). I am testifying today
in support of Bill No. 2797 regarding the Plan, Bill No. 2799 establishing a new
Special Treatment Coastal Edge District, and Bill No. 2800, Draft 1, establishing a
new Plantation Camp District.
I would like to provide a little background. G&R was established in 1892 and
we have been operating for over one hundred thirty (130) years. Our community at
Makaweli has developed essentially in a bubble. It organically grew to meet the needs
of a plantation community, and had well over one thousand (1,000) employees and
over one thousand (1,000) homes in ten (10) different camps. The needs of the sugar
and ranching business directed the community and infrastructure development. As
the employee base grew, the villages were built. Camp general stores were built in
each community and various businesses arose to support these communities at
Makaweli. In 2018, the Planning Department reached out to G&R for the opportunity
to participate in the Plan. We were very thankful for that outreach. The Plan has
been thoroughly vetted throughout the entire West Kauai community. The outreach
by the Planning Department was tremendous and thorough. The result and input
from the public created an enormous volume of material to consider for the Plan. I
feel that they did a great job in providing a balanced Plan that serves the interest of
the community.
Regarding Bill No. 2799, establishing a new Special Treatment Coastal Edge
District. I fully support the intent of this Bill. It has planning impacts on our coastal
property and specifically for many of the homes along the shoreline in Pakala. In
general, I do not support additional layers of government. However, it is a reality
regarding coastal issues, and it must be dealt with. The logic behind this Bill is
supportable.
Bill No. 2800, Draft 1, establishing a new Plantation Camp District. We fully
support this Bill and ask that you hopefully pass this today. Deferring this Bill any
longer will have real effects on people's lives—doing so, will extend houselessness for
an untold amount of Westside locals. We have over a dozen houses in our inventory
that are uninhabitable. We have patiently waited for this process to playout. Back
in May, the Planning Commission passed this through, and we were optimistic that
this would happen sooner rather than later in order to get people housed.
With the effects of COVID-19 on the island's economy and health, now more
than ever, we need this to pass and become an Ordinance. This would create jobs and
provide much needed housing. Some of the homes we have need to be remodeled and
we consider that substandard. In order to remodel these houses, we need to have
temporary homes to move the tenant into. We have a large waiting list that is
growing, and we have stopped accepting housing applications. As we look towards
our agricultural diversification, the inventory of homes will be critical to the success
of our farm and ranching businesses. Please pass this Bill today along with the Plan
to ensure that the people and Kaua`i is able to move forward. Mahalo.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. There are questions for you.
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: Mr. Greene, thank you for your testimony.
What I am hearing is the need for this County to help you folks to fix the old houses.
I grew up surfing Pakala's and on the Westside. Those houses were not in good
condition since the `80s. For me, it is disingenuous to say that "you need to help us
fix this." G&R has had many years to try to mend this problem. With anything, if
you do not do anything for forty (40) years...this is hard for me to hear.
Mr. Greene: I am not sure if that was a question?
Councilmember Kagawa: That is a question and I am asking.
Mr. Greene: We have been fixing up the houses in the
camps for many years. We have put tremendous resources into fixing the wastewater
and water systems. As you know, we are not technically in compliance with the
Comprehensive Zoning Ordinances that were established in the `70s. Since the `70s,
there are laws dictating what we can and cannot do. I will not go into what we have
done, but we have done our best to maintain the houses the best that we are able.
This will give us a framework for moving forward and allow us to do future master
planning for our entire property.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kagawa, all the houses are
nonconforming being that is on agricultural land. With the Plan and the Designation
for Plantation Camp, it will allow them to fix these houses and be in conformance.
There are specifics on the house size and the types of improvements they can do. This
will be the device that allows them to do what they need to do. The Waimea
Plantation Camp was built on agricultural land a long time ago and was never
updated to be residential. Thank you, Howard.
Mr. Greene: Thank you.
There being no further testimony, the meeting was called back to order, and
proceeded as follows:
Council Chair Kaneshiro: That concludes testimony for Bill No. 2797
and Bill No. 2800, Draft 1. We will resume with our agenda. Clerk, can we read in
Bill No. 1993, Draft 1. For any of the testifiers and if you are still there, you can
continue watching the meeting on the County of Kaua`i webcast.
Bill No. 1993, Draft 1 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND
CHAPTER 9, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, RELATING TO PUBLIC
ACCESS-WAYS
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Can I get a motion for discussion.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Can I ask a process question?
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Yes.
Councilmember Kuali`i: With these Bills, because they are so old, is
the best process to receive them and reintroduce a new Bill?
Council Chair Kaneshiro: There are two (2) options. Ultimately, we
need to introduce a new Bill, because there is no way to amend these Bills that is over
seventeen (17) and thirteen (13) years old. We can receive the Bills now and come
back with a new bill; or, the Bills can be deferred indefinitely, and it will stay alive
until a new bill is introduced. Eventually you will have to receive the old bill. It is
the decision of the Council to decide what to do. We can keep the history and/or bring
up the past history and testimony as we introduce a new Bill. We want to make it
clear to the public that if we receive the Bills, if a Councilmember is preparing a new
Bill, it does not mean that bill dies. It means that we are working on an updated Bill.
We can have the old bills floating until a new bill is introduced. Some people
mentioned that they would be comfortable deferring indefinitely, so that people know
the Bill is still around. I am open to what the body wants to do.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I know that there will be a new Bill because I
expressed interest in doing that...and someone else has also expressed interest. As
far as your statement with keeping the records and the history alive, that will always
be there. It is already documented, the testimony is there, and we can get that
information at any time.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Correct.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Either way, I have no real preference.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I am wanting and happy to co-introduce a Bill
with anyone. I would like to reintroduce both Bills. To my understanding, we need
to call it that until that last day of this Council's term. To defer indefinitely can
proceed in January if that is what we decide. We can pick-up and introduce a new
bill. Some of the testimony is relevant.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: It is an indefinite deferral because if we only
defer, it will come up on the next agenda and I do not think that we will have a new
Bill within that amount of time. It would be deferred indefinitely until we have time
to relook at the history, figure out why the bill was introduced, update the
information, and come up with a new bill. Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: The Council's next term has only one (1)
meeting in December. The first meeting is Inauguration and the following is a
business meeting.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin, did you have a
question? I am open and will leave it up to the Councilmembers to decide. We need
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to be clear and let the public know that any action that is taken, someone is wanting
to introduce a new bill, so it will not go by the wayside. Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: I am not sure if we need a motion before I have
this discussion. I would like to defer both Bills so that people know that they are not
being swept underneath the rug, but there is active action being taken. We will
receive these Bills when the new ones comes up.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Let us take a motion to approve. If we do a
motion to defer, it will cut off all communication. Can I get a motion to approve and
a second?
Councilmember Chock moved to approve Bill No. 1993, Draft 1 on second and
final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval,
seconded by Councilmember Kuali`i.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: We are on Bill No. 1993, Draft 1. Is there any
further discussion from the Members on this? Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: Council Chair Kaneshiro, I do not mind
deferring indefinitely. I am encouraged to hear that Members have already expressed
interests. It is apparent that there is a concern and a need. I want the people to
understand the process that we must go through and have them feel comfortable
knowing that the new Council is already being tasked to move that forward. Thank
you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I would like to state that Bill No. 1993,
Draft 1, is regarding access being allowed. For example, permanent public access to
historical places, which are things that are continuously being blocked. We are seeing
how important this is. Since 2001, when this was first introduced, we had a big
cultural resurgence of people paying attention. There is a lot of new knowledge being
put forward as our Hawaiian Charter School systems with olelo and knowledge of
the history has gotten stronger. I would like to point out that I remember this time.
When Bill No. 1993 came out, it was a month after September 11, 2001. This Bill
was dropped and we need to research this more than the next Bill that we are going
to be talking about. We were all stunned at that time, planes were grounded, and
things were put on hold. We had a rough window. Although this was approved from
the Council's First Reading, it did not go anywhere. I am not sure why it dropped,
but it could never be more relevant than it is now with keeping access to our culturally
historical places.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? Councilmember
Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: Are we ready for Bill No. 2044?
Council Chair Kaneshiro: No, we are still on Bill No. 1993, Draft 1. I
would like to make it clear that the potential motion is to defer indefinitely. The Bill
is going to remain on the deferred log. A Councilmember will work on updating the
Bill, as it is nineteen (19) years old. We will reintroduce the Bills, receive the old Bill
and entertain the new bill. Is there anyone else? Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Unless there were Councilmembers ahead of
us, Councilmember Cowden and I will co-introduce the Bill.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to defer Bill No. 1993, Draft1 indefinitely,
seconded by Councilmember Chock, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Motion carried. Next item.
Bill No. 2044 —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND OPEN DISTRICT
DESIGNATIONS ON ZONING MAP ZM-PR700 AT PRINCEVILLE, KAUAI,
HAWAI`I
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Can I have a motion?
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2044 on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion on this?
Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: Yes. I would like to thank the Council
Services Staff. First, for those who need to know why this came up is because our
Deputy County Clerk did an excellent job during the COVID-19 shutdown. He did
backlog and found these four (4) items placed before you. It was not moved in by a
developer nor any nefarious reason that this is timely and being presented. For
several months, I have been responding to the Princeville community that are
concerned with development that is being suggested on the open space. Rory Enright
said that it master planned in the community. As best as they can tell, it was the
first master plan community ahead of the County's Zoning Ordinances. It was a
brand-new effort, so, if pieces in the policy were not clear, there has been confusion
because of a dedication letter that came up regarding how long the golf course is there.
I happen to have been at this Council Meeting in 2003. It was a Special Council
Meeting that was held at the Hanalei School Elementary cafeteria. It was very rare
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that a Council Meeting was held on the North Shore, which is why it was so
important. The people there were passionate, and the room was full. I spoke to a
handful of people...only when this came up, we looked at this again. I appreciate the
Deputy County Clerk, it was 4 a.m. when he found all the information for me. All the
history that we were looking at, we got it now. In looking through everything, there
is a lot of subtleties in it. It makes it unique because it was only looking at one area,
Princeville. However, when I look at it, it is relevant everywhere. Golf courses are
essentially open space parks that have multiple purposes including wastewater
settlement areas and many other aspects. I want to resubmit a new bill that will look
at it. When we do and at that time, it will be worthwhile to look not only at
Princeville, but other planned communities that have these types of open space
commitments. I know that during that hearing, there was concern about having a
CZO that affects only one community. I understand that and why we should have a
broader policy more than one (1) development policy.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Yes. I would like to thank Councilmember
Cowden for being well connected with our friends on the North Shore. We received
over one hundred twenty (120) pieces of written testimony and I would like to thank
each and every one of them. I was up until early this morning trying to ensure I was
answering all the E-mails; I got to approximately ninety percent (90%). Your
testimony is important to us. I have expressed my interest in sponsoring and/or
reintroduction of this Bill. If Councilmember Cowden is open to doing so, I will co-
sponsor with her.
Councilmember Cowden: I am open.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any further discussion from the
Members? Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. I am
glad to hear that we are likely to defer this Bill and that there will be action taken
amongst Councilmembers to review and/or revitalize in some capcity. It seems clear
when going through the minutes from that Public Hearing in Hanalei that the land
in its inception was meant to have density of zero and that units around the golf
course were sold based on that. It sounds that within the EIS, it stated that the land
would have a density of zero. It sounds like there have been some tax breaks given
for the golf course based on no development potential. I am personally someone who
has never played golf in my life, but I walk on a golf course with my children two (2)
to three (3) times a week. I understand the value of green space near residential
areas. While going through the minutes, there was powerful testimony stating
potential legal concerns over equal protection clause and the potential of it being a
taking. The person drafting this policy will have to be very careful moving forward
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regarding potential to withstand legal scrutiny. It sounds like there are two (2)
Councilmembers already working on this. I am looking forward to the work that they
present.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I would like to point out another thing that is
in common between year 2003 and the present. In 2003, the ground wars started in
Iraq and Afghanistan. There was a pale over the United States. In 2001 and in
response to the September 11th event, the prime interest rate dropped down to one
percent (1%). There is a similar situation happening right now with the prime
interest rate in response to COVID-19, and we are currently seeing the economic
impacts. The COVID-19 response has been more profound than what we experienced
from September 11th with different types of trauma involved. Why that matters
isbecause with both situations, it created a spur with purchases and purchases from
a distance. In 2003, the housing prices went crazy on Kaua`i, and we are seeing the
spiking now. With the three hundred thousand dollars ($300,000) a year average
selling price increasing from last year, there are multiple reasons why the case in
2003 is relevant in 2020. I appreciate the people from the Princeville community who
gave me distressed calls last week, which called my attention to this; and because of
that, it is my hope that we can create policy that will help the entire island and our
people. I would like to acknowledge what Councilmember Evslin stated, which is
accurate. We need to be careful of the legal implications that could be viewed
potentially as a taking
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any further discussion from the
Members? If not, I will entertain a motion.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to defer indefinitely Bill No. 2044, seconded by
Councilmember Chock, was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
COMMUNICATIONS:
C 2020-275 Communication (10/30/2020) from the Chief of Police and
Mark N. Begley,Assistant Chief of Police, Patrol Services Bureau, requesting Council
approval of a Service Agreement contract and the indemnification provisions
contained therein, between the National Association of Field Training
Officers (NAFTO) and the Kaua`i Police Department (KPD), for the training and
certification of Field Training Officers for KPD.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-275, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members?
Is there any discussion from the Members? Councilmember Cowden.
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Councilmember Cowden: I would like to say for the record, I talked to
Chief Raybuck about this. In an upcoming briefing in January, we will have a
discussion on this. All of this is relevant and good. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-275 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item.
C 2020-276 Communication (10/30/2020) from Joey Manahan, Hawai`i State
Association of Counties (HSAC) President, transmitting for the Kaua`i County
Council's consideration, the following proposals to be included in the 2021 HSAC
Legislative Package, which were approved by the HSAC Executive Committee on
October 26, 2020:
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Liquor Fines Collected Per Year(County
of Maui)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Health Care Insurance (County of Maui)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Rental Motor Vehicles (County of Maui)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Sunshine Law Boards (County of Maui)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Registration of Vehicles (Vehicle
transfer process) (County of Kauai)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Registration of Vehicles (U-Drive
certificate of registration fee) (County of Kauai)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Registration of Vehicles (Vehicle
certificate of registration—payment of outstanding charges required)
(County of Kauai)
• A Bill for An Act Relating to Public Health Emergency Testing (City
& County of Honolulu) (See Resolution No. 2020-56)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive C 2020-276 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions on this?
Councilmember Chock or Councilmember Kagawa, did you want to give a quick
update on this? I am sorry, we will have discussion when the Resolution comes up on
the agenda. This is just the communication.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-276 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item.
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C 2020-277 Communication (10/30/2020) from the Director of Parks and
Recreation, requesting Council approval to receive and expend grant funds, in the
amount of$5,000.00, from Stonyfield Organic, who is working with Beyond Pesticides,
to provide direct funding to help with the initial costs of converting fields to organic
management.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-277, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members on
this item? Councilmember Cowden, do you have a question?
Councilmember Cowden: Can I make a comment?
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Yes, during discussion.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay, I am sorry.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion? Councilmember
Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I have been asked many times in the past few
months about our usage of pesticides in the County parks. I would like to call
attention to this item. We have a plan for a few parks to work on organic
management. For the record, it is underway.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-277 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
C 2020-278 Communication (11/02/2020) from the Executive on Aging,
requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal funds, in the amount of
$8,060.00 for program Fiscal Year 2021, for the Nutrition Services Incentive
Program (NSIP) provision of congregate and home-delivered meals program, and to
indemnify the State Executive Office on Aging.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-278, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions on this item? Is there
any discussion from the Members?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-278 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
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C 2020-279 Communication (11/05/2020) from the Executive on Aging,
requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal funds in the amount of
$203,007.00 from the State Executive Office on Aging, to be used for the provision of
Title III services of the Older Americans Act, for the 2021 Federal fiscal year that
began October 1, 2020 through September 30, 2022, and to indemnify the State
Executive Office on Aging.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-279, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members on
this item? Is there any discussion? Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I would like to acknowledge the Agency on
Elderly Affairs. Councilmember Kuali`i and I were there yesterday and had a robust
discussion regarding funding for the Title III services. We reviewed the good work
that our Agency on Elderly Affairs is doing to manage everything that is happening
and that we do not take this money for granted. It is important right now.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Yes, we received a briefing on the Older
Americans Act and I thought it was interesting to see all the different funds that are
available, which come from the Federal Government. Mahalo nui loa to our Agency
of Elderly Affairs. They not only go after money, they spend it well, and receive
additional money thereafter, which represents additional funding. You need to do a
good job in order to go back and continue receiving additional funding.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. The motion on the floor is to
approve.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-279 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
C 2020-280 Communication (11/10/2020) from the Acting County Engineer,
requesting Council approval to use $34,000.00 from the Repair and Maintenance (R&M)
account for the unbudgeted purchase of a replacement pump for the Fire Station
Sewage Pump Station (SPS), to replace aging equipment which is essential to restore
the designed redundancy for the SPS.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2020-280, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members on
this item. Is there any discussion from the Members? Councilmember Kuali`i.
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Councilmember Kuali`i: I would like to share information on this. This
is a budget item. This was something that did not get budgeted, they are coming
before us, because it is over a certain dollar amount and seeking Council approval.
They are replacing a pump that has failed as a result of excessive corrosion and they
have been in use for over forty-two (42) years. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? If not, the motion on the
floor is to approve.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve C 2020-280 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1*.
C 2020-281 Communication (11/12/2020) from the Director of Finance,
transmitting for Council consideration, A Bill For An Ordinance Amending
Chapter 5A, Kaua`i County Code 1987,As Amended, Relating To Real Property Taxes
to reduce the assessed value amount from $2,000,000.00 to $1,300,000.00 for
residential homes that fall in the Residential Investor Class
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive C 2020-281 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: This is will come up again later in the agenda
under Proposed Draft Bills and we will do our discussion on this at that time. Is there
any discussion from the Members?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-281 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6:0:1*.
C 2020-282 Communication (11/12/2020) from the Director of Finance,
transmitting for Council consideration, A Bill For An Ordinance Authorizing The
Issuance Of General Obligation Refunding Bonds Of The County Of Kaua`i For The
Purpose Of Refunding Certain Outstanding General Obligation Bonds And Notes;
Fixing Or Authorizing The Fixing Of The Form, Denominations, And Certain Other
Details Of Such Refunding Bonds And Providing For The Sale Of Such Bonds To The
Public; Providing For The Retirement Of The Bonds To Be Refunded; And
Authorizing The Taking Of Other Actions Relating To The Issuance And Sale Of The
Refunding Bonds And The Retirement Of The Bonds To Be Refunded.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive C 2020-282 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: This is will come up again later in the agenda
under Proposed Draft Bills. Is there any discussion from the Members?
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(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-282 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6:0:1*.
C 2020-283 Communication (11/13/2020) from Council Chair Kaneshiro,
requesting agenda time for a briefing from Spire Hawai`i, LLP (external auditors), to
provide a presentation on the Kaua`i Fire Department's Performance Audit.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive C 2020-283 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: We may have to take a caption break at
10:30 a.m. We will see how far we get with the presentation, let them do the entire
presentation, and hold our questions until the presentation is completed. With that,
I will suspend the rules. Mr. Kimura, you have the floor.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
TYLER KIMURA (via remote technology): Aloha, Council Chair
Kaneshiro and Councilmembers. My name is Tyler Kimura, partner with Spire
Hawai`i, LLP. Thank you for the opportunity to present my report of the performance
audit for the Kaua`i Fire Department (KFD). I have a short presentation that
summarizes the audit scope, our findings, recommendations, and KFD's response to
the audit. I would like to thank Fire Chief Goble, former Acting Fire Chief
Westerman, and all the KFD personnel who helped throughout the audit process.
There is a lot of information in our report, but in the interest of everyone's time today,
I will be covering the main takeaways from the audit, and I will be happy to answer
any questions following my presentation.
This audit was initiated by the Council as a result of a two million four hundred
thousand dollar ($2,400,000) Excess Pension Cost (EPC) assessment incurred by the
County in 2018. Two million two hundred thousand dollars ($2,200,000) of which
was related to KFD personnel who retired in calendar year 2017. In general, EPC
assessments occur when employees earn significantly more than non-base pay in
their final three (3) years of employment compared to their pay in the prior seven (7)
years.
The audit was designed to answer the following questions: (1) Whether policies
and Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) are in place and are being followed when
overtime is approved; (2) The sources of overtime; (3) Whether KFD has made the
necessary managerial adjustments to cost-effectively manage Rank-for-Rank (RFR)
Recall procedures; and (4) Whether the proper and responsible staffing levels for all
fire stations are in place. Our audit period spanned from July 1, 2014 through June
30, 2018. However, some of our findings are focused on portions of that audit period
or extend out of that audit period depending on the availability of data.
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The first finding is that certain firefighters heavily utilized available overtime
opportunities before their retirement. KFD has modified its policies in response.
Collective bargaining and lax administrative practices and oversight allowed the
2017 retirees to heavily utilize available overtime opportunities during the years
before their retirement. The major sources of overtime for the 2017 retirees were
RFR recall, participation in the Sparky Fire House Trailer Program, and attending
and teaching training courses.
RFR Recall is a provision in the Hawai`i Firefighters Association (HFFA),
Collective Bargaining Unit (CBA) agreement which requires that when a ranked
firefighter is absent, the opportunity to fill the position must first be offered to a
firefighter of the same rank. Per the CBA, RFR arises because the employer and
Hawai`i Firefighters Association — IAFF Local 1463 (Union) recognized the need to
"recall employees on an RFR basis to prevent and avoid safety and morale problems."
What we found is that between 2014 and 2018, firefighters in KFD overall utilized
approximately eighty-nine percent (89%) of their allowed RFR hours. We know of
one (1) instance of a firefighter earning more than two hundred eighty-eight (288)
RFR hours in a fiscal year (FY), which is not allowed under KFD policy or the CBA.
There were ten (10) instances of firefighters earning more than one hundred
forty-four (144) RFR hours in a given six-month period, which is not allowed under
KFD policy. In practice, if firefighters go over their six-month allotment, then their
allotment for the six-month period is reduced by those excess hours. The RFR dollars
by FY are presented here. One thing to note is that prior to FY 2015, RFR was limited
to twenty-four (24) hour per year, and only for vacancies due to scheduled vacations.
For example, the budget for FY 2014 was only fifty-five thousand dollars ($55,000)
for RFR.
RFR overtime is typically incurred when coverage is needed because of
absences due to vacation, sick leave, or training. The Hawai`i Pension Law provides
that public employees who retire or leave government service in good standing with
sixty (60) days or more of unused sick leave are entitled to additional service credit
in retirement. We know that seven (7) of the 2017 retirees took two hundred
eighty-eight (288) hours, which is twelve (12) 24-hour shifts or more of sick leave in
2017 with one (1) retiree taking seven hundred twenty-six (726) hours. The 2017
retirees filled sick leave vacancies of other retirees with RFR shifts seventy-five (75)
times between 2014 and 2017. Thirty-nine (39) of which occurred in 2017, the year
in which they retired.
If sick leave is abused or coordinated with firefighters who are close to
retirement, KFD will not only incur extra overtime costs, but could also incur
potential future excess pension cost assessment related to those retired firefighters.
Separately, KFD does not actively monitor, evaluate, or report on the cost of RFR, or
provide such information to the HFFA as required by the CBA. When we requested
communication of the reports that KFD provided the Union in accordance with this
section, the former Acting Fire Chief said that "KFD does not provide any reports and
that the cost of RFR are included at the time of budget."
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The Sparky Fire House Trailer Program is a fire education program that visits
all of the elementary schools on Kaua`i annually, presents student the "learn not to
burn" curriculum, Ocean Safety Prevention, and hands-on Cardiopulmonary
Resuscitation (CPR)lessons. Almost ninety percent (90%) of pay to all Sparky Fire
House Trailer participants were paid at overtime rates between FY 2014-2019.
Three (3) of the 2017 retirees were consistently among the top participants for this
period, with one (1) retiree incurring as many as two hundred twenty-one (221) total
hours in a FY. A current firefighter told us that when he signed up for a Sparky Fire
House Trailer shift, one of the 2017 retirees confronted him and asked him why he
signed up, because he should have known that this was for senior firefighters. The
same firefighter also said that the Sparky Fire House Trailer spots would fill up
within minutes of the E-mail announcement going out. KFD Management became
aware of potential seniority favoritism associated with signing up for the Sparky Fire
House Trailer shifts, but did not implement changes until September 2016. Further
changes and the sign-up system were not made until 2019.
Training is an essential component of an effective Fire Department and KFD
firefighters receive both mandatory and non-mandatory training. Firefighters are
paid overtime for conducting and receiving training outside their normal shifts. In
FY 2016 and 2017, approximately forty-five percent (45%) of the total on island
training hours were paid at overtime rates. During our interviews, we were told that
in 2019, KFD implemented changes to its training and policy procedures to limit the
number of training programs that firefighters could attend and instruct; we
understand that these changes were made in response to Senior Firefighters teaching
too many training programs on overtime. Firefighters also attend off-island training
and conferences from time to time, which include both interisland and mainland
travel. The program directors identity upcoming off island training opportunities,
and in general, preference is given to firefighters based on seniority.
Approximately fifty-two percent (52%) of the off-island training hours incurred
by the 2017 retirees was paid to them at an overtime rate. We have seven (7)
recommendations relating to this finding...related to monitoring costs of RFR,
monitoring utilization of firefighting personnel on the Sparky Fire House Trailer, and
monitoring off-island and online training programs to ensure costs are being
managed effectively.
(Councilmember Kuali i was noted as not present.)
We have recommendations that KFD shift firefighters from a 24-hour shift to
a 40-hour schedule when trainings last five (5) days or more, and to closely monitor
sick leave and vacation requests to ensure that firefighters are not regularly filling
in for each other particularly when close to retirement. Ensuring that the timesheets
and request for leave are properly reviewed, verified, and approved. Also ensuring
that reports are generated in a consistent format, so that KFD can proactively
monitor for potential budgetary impacts such as excess pension cost assessments.
KFD issued a formal response to our audit, which is attached to our report. In
general, KFD expressed agreement with audit recommendations and provided the
descriptions of the actions that KFD has taken and will take to address them. I have
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included them here for your review, but I will not read through each slide. You can
see how they plan to address each of the recommendations.
(Councilmember Kuali i was noted as present.)
Finding 2. KFD's excess pension costs have been significant, but some of the
controls that need to be instituted are outside of KFD's hands. One of the questions
this audit was designed to answer was whether KFD made the necessary managerial
adjustments to cost effectively manage RFR and overtime costs. What we found is
that the larger source of overtime was RFR, which is collectively bargained. Adding
to the complexity of managing this cost, we know that the culture or seniority is often
rewarded. The former Acting Fire Chief stated in his interview that pension spiking
is "nothing new and he has been aware of pension spiking for forever." He believes
that pension spiking is an accepted unregulated practice that is not unique to KFD,
but rather a problem of public employers throughout the State. Pension spiking is
facilitated by a general culture relayed to us by other KFD personnel of accepting
that senior personnel had earned their right to take advantage of overtime
opportunities.
As a result, organizations like KFD are faced with a difficult situation of
managing their budget while confronting the pressures of senior ranking personnel
who may leverage their collectively bargained opportunities to earn extra pay.
Failure to appropriately manage these non-base pay costs will result in excess
pension costs in future years. Since the State leads the collective bargaining process
and controls the Employees Retirement System (ERS), Kaua`i and a few other
counties need the State's assistance to manage pension spiking. We are not
recommending changes to the CBA as a result of this audit, but we are bringing to
light that if any changes were to be made, the State with its four (4) out of eight (8)
total votes leads the process for negotiating.
We requested data and information from the ERS and its response shows that
the ERS has the expertise and data that might be used to assist the County and other
public employers in addressing pension spiking. The County could ask ERS to
identify anomalies during routine reviews, provide projections for changes in CBA
pay provisions, and provide training on overtime impacts to pension calculations.
We have five (5) recommendations relating to Finding 2. Essentially what we
are recommending is for KFD to work with the County to be proactive in seeking
assistance from the State regarding its positions in bargaining situations and from
the ERS to stay ahead of any further pension costs assessment. Recommendations
four (4) and five (5) discuss potential assistance from the ERS including training and
trying to stay ahead of any potential pension costs.
KFD's response is shown here. In general, they agreed with our
recommendations for Finding 2.
Finding 3. Fire station staffing is complex and depends on conditions that
change. KFD should have a plan for regular assessment of its station staffing. The
Council's resolution expressed a concern as to whether the proper and responsible
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staffing levels for all fire stations are in place. This concern arises from the direct
relationship between premium pay related to overtime and staffing costs. KFD has
been questioned about its staffing levels in the past, and the Acting Fire Chief
maintained that the current levels of staffing of at least four (4) firefighters at every
station are appropriate and must be maintained to meet insurance standards. This
position is consistent with KFD's statement in April 2009 at a budget hearing that
said, "The last three (3) years of having appropriately staffed stations really helped
out insurance premiums." KFD also testified in February 2014 that when a second
station was added to the Kawaihau District, eight thousand (8,000) homeowners
benefited from decreased insurance rates. When we asked KFD to provide evidence
of the decrease, the Acting Fire Chief stated, "The public protection classification
rates for Kapa'a and Kaiakea went from 6/9 to 5/9, improving or reducing insurance
costs for property owners in those areas." However, in reviewing the PPC rating
system, we found that staffing is not a significant scoring category which KFD
referenced as evidence of lower insurance rates.
Overall, staffing is a complex technical risk assessment. The National Fire
Protection Association sets requirements for company crew size and the number of
companies deemed to be an effective response to fires in four categories of structures.
Staffing studies are intended to be ongoing operational assessments and are not
meant to be conducted through an audit. In general, audits involved looking at
program conditions, exploring the cause of such conditions, and measuring program
execution to best practice and other criteria. On the other hand, staffing evaluations
such as those conducted by experts and the accreditation process analyze the
appropriate staffing levels based on external conditions such as those identified in
the National Fire Protection Association 1710 to assess whether conditions require
more or less staffing than at present.
As a result, we had the following recommendations: (1) KFD should regularly
evaluate its minimum staffing levels; (2) Continue updating its Strategic Plan, which
was last updated in 2015; and (3) Consider engaging outside experts such as those
performing similar evaluations for accreditation, for advice on appropriate staffing,
and the costs and benefits of implementing scheduling software. KFD's response is
shown here. In general, they agree with the recommendations over Finding 3.
That concludes my general overview of our audit and I will be happy to take
any questions at this time.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: I would like to thank Spire Hawai`i, LLP and
Mr. Kimura for your presentation and findings. The most bothersome quote for me
was in Finding 2 where the Acting Fire Chief, who was the Fire Chief during all the
spiking practices...Former Acting Fire Chief Westerman said, "Pension spiking is an
accepted unregulated practice that is not unique." It really sounds like a lame excuse.
As a manager, you have the ability to stop the practice to serve your taxpayers with
fiscally sound management practices. I am really disappointed to see that statement
in there. To state that other KFD personnel aknowledge the general culture of
accepting that senior personnel had earned the right to take advantage of overtime
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with RFR and Sparky Fire House Trailer opportunities. My question is, based on
that statement, is the feeling that you got from the former Acting Fire Chief is
basically misspending taxpayers' money is something that they can do without any
consequence?
Mr. Kimura: Yes, in general, there was that feeling that in
certain ways their hands are tied because of general concern and because of the
collective bargaining nature over RFR and other overtime pay that is afforded to
firefighters. There was also a sense of"making things better." They saw that with
other KFD personnel that were in the transition process and with the new Fire Chief
Goble—understanding what has been done in the past and what KFD needs to look
at moving forward.
Councilmember Kagawa: For me, there were many budget proceedings
where former Acting Fire Chief Westerman presented before us and those statements
were never made. Those statements that are printed in your presentation were never
made to this body, and that concerns me because I have the feeling that he was hiding
the truth for many years. This legislative body is responsible for the budget; for
setting overtime amounts, RFR amounts, and we have never heard that statement
from former Acting Chief Westerman in all of the years of the budgeting. That is
what disappoints me the most because there is no transparency. Admitting after all
the damage is done is too late. To say, "It happens collectively statewide with all the
other unions." That is not true. When you look at the spiking numbers, especially in
2018, two million four hundred thousand dollars ($2,400,000) for the entire County
spiking, KFD ranked up two million two hundred thousand dollars ($2,200,000) of
that total. That is not equally distributed across all of our responsibilities and
departments. That is one (1) department feeling privilege to even make that kind of
statement. Thank you for the work you have done. I am disappointed with the past,
and I feel that there was acts of perjury before us. Thank you, because now we have
it in writing and in the audit. I am leaving the Council and I am confident with the
new chief. You have also quoted him that they agree and not fighting your statements
in the audit. For that, I am thankful that we have more honesty moving forward.
Thank you.
Mr. Kimura: Thank you, Councilmember.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: As a first term Councilmember and Chair of
the Public Safety & Human Services Committee, I really appreciate the value of this
audit. I want to acknowledge Councilmember Kagawa for being the driving force on
the Fire Department's overtime numbers. When I looked at in 2018, when there was
a lot of disasters going on, I did not look at this with the same eye compared to
someone experienced as he is. We are going to hear from Fire Chief Goble, correct?
When we have these recommendations, some of my questions are geared towards
him. I would like to thank you for doing an effective reveal, however disappointing it
is. We appreciate our Fire Department; we do not appreciate this taking advantage
of the overtime. Thank you for your work.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro.
Mr. Kimura, thank you for the report and for doing the audit. This question may be
a little out of your scope. RFR is specific to the Fire Department. Knowing what we
know now being that it is in writing and the concerns that we have had, it is obvious
that it is a piece of a culture that can get out of hand where abuse can occur. I am
concerned as we look not only at public safety, but other departments across the
board. Did you have a chance to look and compare other departments' numbers and
what they might be exposed to and/or if there are any red flags? You folks participate
in our annual audit. I am also looking for triggers in other departments that we need
to be made aware of ahead of time to control the issue, especially as we get more
retirees and the economic downfalls that we are now facing.
Mr. Kimura: Thank you. That question is a little out of the
scope regarding what we looked at. The unique situation that KFD has with their
CBA, not only with RFR, but their other overtime premium pay differentials. It is
because of their unique schedules. A lot of overtime can be incurred and a lot of which
is not able to be "managed" in a sense being that is part of the everyday work. There
are things that we have identified in our report such as training and the Sparky Fire
House Trailer that is managed by the Department. Unfortunately, in terms of taking
a look at other Departments within the County relating to potential opportunities—
at this point, that is out of our scope relating to this audit.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? I have a question.
Mr. Kimura, regarding sick leave, I know when we look at RFR we say that there is
not much we can do. If we did not have RFR, it would probably save the County a lot
of money. When you look at sick leave vacancies, by not allowing RFR for sick leave,
would that be a small step to change moving forward? That appears to be an area of
abuse where in the last year of the retirees, they took thirty-nine (39) shifts versus a
total of thirty-six (36) shifts in the last three (3) years. They took more sick leave on
their last year working, which allowed everyone to do RFR and fill the shift spots. As
far as sick leave goes, I do not know how you would manage that. Vacation is
manageable where employees have x amount of vacation they can use, they are able
to schedule it ahead of time, and it gives managers the opportunity to adjust
schedules. When people take sick leave and they are taking thirty-nine (39) shifts of
sick leave in one year, you are not able to manage tha RFR will explode.
Mr. Kimura: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. That is
a good observation, but that is also a collective bargaining item. RFR is specific to
vacancies due to sick leave, scheduled vacations, or other time off. Prior to FY 2015,
RFR was limited to only vacancies due to scheduled vacations. That is the difference
that you are referring to and is specific to the CBA that RFR is open for sick leave.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Does it not look weird that thirty-nine (39)
shifts were taken in 2017, versus a total of thirty-six (36) shifts in the previous three
(3) years?
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Mr. Kimura: Yes, it looks like there was an increase
between the retirees that were filling in for each other. In general, we saw that there
was more sick leave taken by those retirees in 2017 compared to their averages in
prior years. It was an opportunity that was used, and the data shows that it was
more frequently used as a "fill-in" and to incur RFR hours.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: For me, it looks like abuse with the number
amount to be so high in one (1)year versus the past three (3)years. I have a follow-up
question from Councilmember Cowden, followed by Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Cowden: I would like to ensure that I understand the
practice. If someone fills in for RFR, when they take that day that someone else is a
Captain, they get paid time and a half regardless. If they take a sick day, they would
get regular time pay and exchange it with someone else with time and a half. Is that
how this works? Is it an intentional swapping of shifts, so that they both benefit from
the hours?
Mr. Kimura: The person taking sick leave is not working,
but for the person filling in, because they are filling in for a shift, they are utilizing
an RFR shift, which they are getting paid time and a half.
Councilmember Cowden: Is it likely that Platoon I is shifting with
Platoon III, they are both shifting, and both are getting time and a half? For example,
if I swapped shifts with Councilmember Kagawa, he gets my day and I get his day, I
am not actually working more, but we are both getting time and a half. Is that what
I am hearing happening? If so, that is a very intentional choice.
Mr. Kimura: They are not shifting at the same time.
Councilmember Cowden: It is not that intentional?
Mr. Kimura: Correct. Rather than retiring with a large
sick leave balance, because they have accumulated a lot of sick leave days. Rather
than just working, they took more sick leave in the year they retired which allows
others to fill in and get paid at time and a half.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: I have a follow-up question. Are you able to
use sick day as a holiday? You have to be "sick" to use sick leave, right? Are you able
to use sick days as a holiday? With the amount of sick days that were used in the
last year, yes, there was some type of collusion with the firefighters saying, "I am
going to take a sick leave, you can take my shift, you can take sick leave, and I will
fill your shift." If so, they both get time and a half on those shifts and their regular
pay for taking sick leave. Just because you have a lot of sick leave does not mean
that you can take it as a holiday.
Mr. Kimura: There are policies and procedures over getting
sick leave approved. When we were looking at the documentation, we did not have
the scope and time to identify whether the proper protocol was used for every sick
leave days. We were focused on the overall impact. Yes, what we could see with the
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documentation was that it was approved. We did not look at whether the reason for
asking for sick leave was legitimate or not. However, that was something we
highlighted for KFD to be aware of. Just because you have a sick leave balance does
not mean they can use the time; there needs to be a valid reason when doing so.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: We need to take a ten-minute caption break.
Mr. Kimura, we will be back thereafter with more questions.
Mr. Kimura: Okay, thank you.
There being no objections, the meeting recessed at 10:34 a.m.
The meeting reconvened at 10:46 a.m., and proceeded as follows:
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Welcome back. Again, we have Mr. Kimura
from Spire Hawai`i, LLP, who presented an audit on KFD. Are there any further
questions for Mr. Kimura regarding his presentation on the audit? Councilmember
Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: Mr. Kimura, I know that Maui County did an
audit where they uncovered significant sick leave abuse. Did you folks perform that
audit? This was approximately three (3) years ago.
Mr. Kimura: We did not perform that audit, but we read
that audit and the findings.
Councilmember Kagawa: You looked at Maui's audit?
Mr. Kimura: Yes, we did.
Councilmember Kagawa: I thought to myself, if you folks did not
perform the audit, it is blatant if you found the same thing. I am glad that you
reviewed that audit. Great work, thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Aloha, I would like to say mahalo nui boa for
all your work. It seems quite thorough. I am curious on the timing of when the audit
started and ended?
Mr. Kimura: We began the audit in November/December
2019, and we did most of our fieldwork through March and April 2020. Following
that, there was back and forth ensuring our facts and findings were correct. We also
worked with ERS to get a response to some of our questions that came out of the
audit.
Councilmember Kuali`i: In your time doing the audit, did you have full
access and full cooperation from the Administration to get all the data that you
needed?
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Mr. Kimura: Yes, we did. KFD personnel was very helpful
in gathering information. We had a lot of requests. Sometimes the data was not
easily accessible, they spent a lot of time on this, and were helpful with providing
data that we needed.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I was curious and the reason I asked that
question is because when I look at some of your different charts and data that you
provided in this report, on the RFR recall and sixty-seven percent (67%) overtime,
you have bar graphs up until 2018. Was it too early to get numbers for 2019?
Mr. Kimura: Yes, for that particular graph, the data that
was provided...by the time we finished our work, it was only through FY 2018. That
was also a function of our audit scope that we originally agreed to that we would go
through FY 2018. To an extent, we received extra data and tried to utilize it when
we had the opportunity, but that was one of the items where we stopped our analysis
at the end of FY 2018.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Now, it would be good for us to add on the
current data to see if that trend is worsening, leveled out, or starting to get better. I
appreciate this. You made fifteen different recommendations and KFD has agreed to
all of them. We should be able to do better. Thank you so much.
Mr. Kimura: Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro.
Mr. Kimura, thank you for the presentation, for your foot-work on the audit, and the
clear recommendations. I have a few questions. I know Councilmember Chock was
asking...what I believe he was referring to was a comparison with other County of
Kauai Departments regarding spiking. Do you see a comparison with the Fire
Departments on the other islands? It seems to be the most in direct comparison in
how we are doing.
Mr. Kimura: We did not do a direct comparison. Basically,
what we found is that it is difficult to compare between different jurisdictions
regarding staffing levels, costs, and budgets. We looked at Maui County's audit and
looked at the issues that were raised there regarding overtime and potential
scheduling staffing pools that were recommended as part of that audit. However, we
did not do a side-by-side comparison of RFR hours. Reason being is RFR is a
collectively bargained item that has maximums associated. It would be a matter of
whether the utilization would be at the same level of Kaua`i. Unfortunately, we did
not do a comparison.
Councilmember Evslin: It would be interesting to know the total
spiking penalty compared to total pay as a percentage for each county, how much
abuse is in the system, if there is control through managerial oversight, and how
much more worse or better we are than other counties. So, if I am understanding
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this correctly, from the audit, we learned that RFR is the biggest culprit here being
that it is required in the CBA. Given that the change happened in 2015, it basically
seems that anyone who is maxing out their RFR is going to end up spiking. Anyone
who retires in the last few years who maxed out their RFR in 2015 would end up
spiking. Is that true being that they were allowed to get the same RFR pre-2015?
Mr. Kimura: Spiking is calculated based on the last
three (3) years compared to their prior seven (7) years. As time goes on from that
change in RFR, more of their ten-year period would be in the RFR. It gets "baked in"
in. The personnel that retired in 2017 was at a perfect storm timing where RFR was
allowed at a higher level, which corresponded in the last three (3)years of retirement.
It will start to phase out. Another issue is that the pension spiking bill for anyone
hired after 2012, their assessment for the final years is only base pay. Again, that is
only people hired in 2012 where you are looking at a twenty-plus year career where
these potential issues will be around for a while.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you. That was actually my follow-up
question that if the expectation was that this would be phasing out as that
comparison year ends. I would like to get back to that first question. For the most
part, anyone who maximizes their RFR in the last two (2) years would end up spiking,
right?
Mr. Kimura: Yes, I would think so only because it is an
additional available source of overtime, non-base pay that would not have been
available in their prior comparison year periods. It is potentially there.
Councilmember Evslin: You mentioned in the audit when you first
started that you recommend better controls to identify when it was approaching. Do
they currently have the ability see internally at KFD or at Human Resources (HR)
when a firefighter is exceeding twenty percent (20%) of their base pay for that year,
or when it is expected to exceed.
Mr. Kimura: The data exists. It does not appear that it was
actively monitored to be made aware in identifying who might incur excessive pension
cost to the County. A part of the recommendations that we are relaying in this audit
is—now that you know how the assessment works, how it is calculated, and what
goes into the non-base pay versus base pay, everyone needs to be aware that whatever
they have control over in terms of overtime that could potentially cause an excess
pension cost assessment should be actively monitored rather than getting hit with an
invoice after the fact.
Councilmember Evslin: Given that, in theory, it could be possible for
an internal monitoring system to flag someone when they are exceeding that
allotment, and an internal policy to address RFR, Sparky Fire House Trailer,
training, and overseas stuff that is not blatant. When you begin to exceed that
threshold, you will not allow anything that management has authority over.
Mr. Kimura: I believe that is potentially available within
the constraints of collective bargaining. Yes, if there are certain management
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discretion areas for overtime. That could be a way to manage overtime costs, which
not only impacts current budget, but also excess pension cost assessments.
Councilmember Evslin: Okay, thank you. Again, I understand RFR
"baked in" to the CBA. It looks like KFD has an internal policy of no more than one
hundred forty-four (144) hours within six (6) months, which is not in the CBA. It
seems like there is flexibility to go stricter in how they are managing how RFR is
allocated. Are there any other options when it relates directly to RFR that they could
do to ensure there is not abuse happening, or is that to the extent of what they are
able to do?
Mr. Kimura: As far as I know, that is the extent of what
they can do. I think that the six-month allotment was put into place, so that in
situations where someone is retiring at the end of the calendar year, and because the
RFR allotment is on a FY, there is a potential that people would try to push all of
their twelve (12) shifts into that first six-month period of the FY. This is the reason
why the six-month period prorated half of their allotment was implemented at a KFD
level. Beyond that, you are limited for the FY regarding the number of RFR hours.
As long as they do not go over that, that is what the Department has to deal with
regarding hours.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you. I appreciate that and the work
you folks have done and your answers.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Mr. Kimura, I have a question. In your
presentation, you spoke about the abuse happening with the Sparky Fire House
Trailer and the types of abuses happening. You went on to mention that policies were
implemented in September 2016 and 2019. I heard 2016 and 2019, but I missed what
happened in those years. I believe you mentioned that they tried to update their
policy, but I do not know what happened in 2019. Were they not following the policy
implemented in 2016 and they tightened it in 2019? I missed that part.
Mr. Kimura: In 2016, when the former Acting Fire Chief
became aware of the potential "favoritism," a communication was made to the Fire
Prevention Captain stating that the favoritism needed to stop. The Fire Prevention
Captain sent an E-mail to all KFD personnel explaining that KFD was creating a
new list of people who wanted to work on the Sparky Fire House Trailer. You needed
to get on the list first in order to participate. The sign-up process did not change until
2019 when they implemented a system that was similar to callbacks. Once a
firefighter participates, his or her name goes to the bottom of the list to ensure anyone
interested working has a fair chance to work. The Sparky Fire House Trailer staffing
was also limited to one (1) Fire Captain, one (1) Firefighter III, and two (2)
firefighters. The initial communication in 2016 was not a big change in the process,
but it brought awareness regarding favoritism and trying to control this situation,
but the actual substantial changes to the process were not made until 2019.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you for the clarification. Regarding
travel, you mentioned that they changed their policy. If they are traveling and
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training for more than forty (40) hours, they would change the person to a 40-hour
workweek rather than a 24-hour shift. Do you know when that change took place?
Mr. Kimura: To my understanding, it happened in
FY 2020, while we were already doing the work. Therefore, that was a recent change
in how they were managing training.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Are there any further questions
from the Members? Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: To my understanding, in December 2019 or
around that time period, KFD was looking at their numbers and saw that they were
running short on funds leading into June. A request was made to the Managing
Director and Mayor to do a Money Bill to add more money to continue their practices
of overtime, and they were denied. Were the auditors aware of this and did you have
any conversations with the Office of the Mayor to verify this request?
Mr. Kimura: We became aware of the communication and
we had a discussion with the Office of the Mayor regarding general issues relating to
the scope of our audit. However, we did not investigate that late-2019 request for
overtime. That was outside of our scope pertaining to this audit.
Councilmember Kagawa: Okay. I felt it was relevant and one way to
control abuse—you do not give them any money. If the piggy bank runs out, you no
longer can raid it.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Mr. Kimura. I had a question on staffing. I
saw a lot of information regarding insurance premiums and how many members they
needed at the station. I did not understand how many people they need to respond
to an incident or an emergency. Do you have any information on that? It is obvious
that you need someone to drive the fire truck and you need someone to operate the
hose. I did not get any information on how many people they need to respond to
incidents and emergencies.
Mr. Kimura: Ultimately, when we were looking into the
issue of appropriate staffing, it became evident that there are other factors involved
relating to how large communities are, distances between Fire Departments,
et cetera. In our overall recommendation, it was not appropriate for us to dive in this
audit to determine whether the former Acting Fire Chief mentioned four (4)
firefighters staffing the fire station is sufficient or required. When we talked to him,
he mentioned that there are over twenty (20) things need to be done, and they do it
with the staffing that they have, which consists of four (4) to five (5) firefighters at
each station. Ultimately, it became something out of our expertise to really have any
findings on, which is why we recommended that staffing studies be done. In doing
so, it would carry more weight and be more effective in how KFD is managed. We
focused on the insurance standards, because the former Acting Fire Chief mentioned
multiple times in the past that staffing helped to reduce insurance and there was a
very strong correlation. That is the reason why we dove further into what is the
actual evidence of that. Ultimately, we did not find that there was a high correlation
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between staffing and insurance rates—there is a lot of other things that go into that.
I hope that answers your question, but it was something that we could focus on versus
something that was out of our scope, which is what we ended up putting into our
recommendations.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I have a follow-up to that. Thank you for
doing a good job on the objectives that we gave you, and you worked on answering
those questions. Recently we got the Matrix Consulting Group survey for the Police
Department, and I have been spending time looking at that. Are you familiar with
the company Matrix Consulting Group?
Mr. Kimura: I am not.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I will ask this later. For reference,
when pertaining to the Police Department, the Matrix survey gives us good graphs of
the number of calls and the density of time where these calls are addressed. It is
particularly relevant for their schedule. I can ask Chief Goble, or maybe we can look
at this later. The way the Matrix survey looks at information, it answers things like
if we have the right staffing for the right needs and the right places. Thank you, I
will hold that question for the Fire Chief.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions for
Mr. Kimura regarding the audit and his presentation? If not, thank you Mr. Kimura.
You may want to stay on incase something pops up while we ask the Fire Chief
questions. If Fire Chief Goble is available, Councilmember Cowden, you have the
floor for questions.
STEVEN R. GOBLE, Fire Chief(via remote technology): Yes, I am available.
Councilmember Cowden: Hi, thank you Fire Chief Goble. I am sure
that you listened to this conversation thus far and with Mr. Kimura.
Mr. Goble: I have.
Councilmember Cowden: Do you have any commentary on the
information? I would like to hear your reflection on this.
Mr. Goble: Certainly. I would like to thank Mr. Kimura
and his staff for their good work. This was something that needed to be looked at. I
think that they did a good job with "looking behind the curtains" and learning the
facts at hand that were driving the issues of concern. I am very appreciative of them.
When I talked to the staff that were able to participate in the process and gathering
of data, it was clear to me that most of our folks also viewed this as a cleansing process
for us internally. There were things that did not seem right, and this was the people's
opportunity to say, "This is what I saw, this is what I experienced, and this is what I
felt." While this was going on, it did not sit well. This gave them the opportunity to
have a voice in who we are and what we stand for as a Fire Department. There were
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a lot of conversations about the culture. I think that the culture is something that
"we" as managers must be very intentional about while driving the behaviors,
practices, and the character of our organization moving forward. We take that very
seriously, personally and especially being under my leadership coming into this
organization. I want to work through things that we can be better at. I am
appreciative of the effort, shining the light on this, and I think this has been good for
our team and our people. It is certainly airing dirty laundry that we wish did not
exist, but the facts point to past practices that were in place and it allows an
opportunity for us to improve.
Going forward, I think that the team here with Assistant Fire Chief Kanoho,
Battalion Chief Hudson, and Battalion Chief Ornellas, who really worked hard to
make substantive changes to improve this problem. The audit points out the fact that
there were things both in and outside of our control. We need to take responsibility
for those things that are within our control. I think that Assistant Fire Chief Kanoho,
Battalion Chief Ornellas, and Battalion Chief Hudson worked hard to rectify that.
Those are the substantial changes that Mr. Kimura spoke to in 2019. These items
came to light, folks took them to heart, and worked to make those changes. We have
since implemented additional tweaks to our system and work to improve them every
single day. We want to be better at what we do, we want to be good stewards of the
resources that we are handed, and we want to deliver the services that our community
wants and needs from us in a responsible way. The challenge with this issue is the
things that were accomplished were good things, but the execution was poor. For
example, teaching children exit plans and how to get out of a fire in their home,
teaching them about fire safety, training the Community Emergency Response
Team (CERT)—are all important things. Continuous ongoing training to our team
members essential to making sure that we can deliver the right kind of service to our
community are beneficial things, but we need to manage our approach to those things
in a better way. There has been a lot of good work put in to allow us to do that.
Mr. Kimura spoke to some of the changes with the sign-up process regarding the
Community Risk Reduction Programs. We have made good strides this year
regarding the training component. The utilization of that 40-hour workweek with
the transfers is something we worked through with the Union to ensure that we got
our controls into place to implement that. They have been supportive of those needs
and allowed us to get there. To be more mindful of schedules. The 24-hour schedule
does not lend itself to the daily trainings and work that goes on in support of the Fire
Department or other programs. Having that tool in our toolbox has been helpful and
allows us to make changes. The overall management of what I consider "our
discretionary options" when it comes to overtime is really the key. The RFR is clearly
the lion's of share that is driving this issue. Almost two-thirds is what has been
indicated in the process. That has controls. It has the maximum cap that help us
better manage that. We put the additional control in regarding the six-month limit
of one hundred forty-four(144)hours to manage smaller chunks to the bigger number.
The audit report indicated that we have not been sharing that data with the Union,
but in the past few months, we have been. We have been passing that information
along, but the next step for us is to do more analysis on it to better understand what
the impacts are.
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RFR is not a bad thing. It provides continuity that we look for and it provides
experienced leadership in key roles in the Department. How we manage it is
something that we have control over and the ability to manage the resources better.
We recognize all those things and that we have a role to play in making sure the
controls are implemented and followed in the organization. We take that charge very
seriously.
There has been a lot of discussion regarding staffing levels. As the audit
indicates with the Insurance Services Office (ISO), it was pointing to one (1) of the
reasons that the staffing levels presented what they did. Something that is
important, ISO evaluate with things across an organization like ours; for example,
water supply and resource availability. They go into detail with what is on the fire
trucks. Response resources is one of those things. They stop short of saying that
four (4) people in a fire station is the right number, but they do point to overall
response and you can extrapolate the math. There are other standards out there that
exist and drive that number. The standards in this organization are primarily from
the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA). NFPA 1500 is their health and
safety standard, which drives a big piece of this. There has been debate in the fire
service for decades regarding two-in/two-out. This is something that is driven by
Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) standard. OSHA does not
necessarily regulate the municipal fire departments, but it is directed at Federal and
private industry that offer fire protection services. Two-in/two-out is a respiratory
protection standard that says, "If you are going to put people in atmospheres that are
immediately dangerous to life and health, you can send two (2) people in, but you
need to leave two (2) people on the outside." This is to communicate any problems,
initiating rescue, and things that provide an extra layer of safety to the team that is
going inside. With two-in/two-out, that is what equals the number four. Departments
get that number in many ways. For us on Kaua`i, it is because of our second-due
response. The best way for us to get there is to have the first-due company have that
amount of staffing available upon arrival. For firefighters to enter a building that
has products of combustion in it, to effect a rescue, put a fire out, or to save a property,
are things that drive the two-in/two-out rule. NFPA 1500 is the fire industry
standard that supports the two-in/two-out. That is the standard of how we get there
in this industry. There are other standards that supports NFPA 1710 which consist
of response of deployment of resources; they point to a minimum four-person staffing
on fire engines. Again, tying in the NFPA 1500 standard and in support of the
operations that needs to take place with the first arriving company. Back in 2010,
National Institute of Science Technology (NIST) did several studies on fire
department response. They read numerous scenarios with different staffing levels,
different problems on arrivals for first-due companies—their conclusion is essentially
the same regarding the efficiency standpoint and effectiveness of operations, four (4)
is the right number of folks to have for a first-due company.
I think we are in the right place when it comes to that staffing requirement.
In support of that and as a byproduct of this performance audit process, we also
commissioned a utilization study to do what Mr. Kimura and his team recommended.
Let us get an external set of eyes on this problem and do an analysis in order to figure
out what the right number is for us. What are our resource needs, what are our
deployment options, et cetera? Everything will unfold in this utilization study.
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Interestingly enough, we have a kickoff meeting scheduled for this afternoon with
Emergency Services Consulting as the driver. We look forward to that work. It will
be important to us in order to better understand the effectiveness of our resourcing
and our response for deployment.
We recognize the problem that was brought to our attention in this audit. We
have done a number of things to address the concerns prior to the audit being
released. We will continue to do our part to ensure that we control this issue in the
best way possible.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay, thank you very much. I honor and
appreciate that you folks have agreed with the recommendations and for being
responsible to take action. I would like to acknowledge that our Fire Department has
been a shining star in terms of addressing the needs of the community, being "on
point" for saving lives and remarkably putting out fires. The job that you are
commissioned to do, you are doing well, and I am thankful for that. I asked
Mr. Kimura if the sick leave and shift trades were intentional planned ideas, I
understand why we want RFR. I do not have an issue with that, because you want a
Fire Captain doing a Fire Captains job. However, if there is a pattern of intentional
abuse, it sounds like you have a plan, and we will be checking to ensure we are
successful because there may be alternative ways we are able to assist.
I want to be sure that we are making positive changes when we look at the
upcoming budget. It is likely that we are going to have a light budget from both the
State and the County. We will not have room to be making generous mistakes. I
have other thoughts, but I would like to hear from the rest of the group first.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions from the
Councilmembers for Chief Goble? For me, I noticed the spike in numbers for sick
leave, is there a way that you can monitor if it is sick leave abuse? Crosscheck and
balance to ensure the paperwork is filled out correctly, the proper protocol is followed
regarding calling in sick, et cetera. When I see numbers of thirty-nine (39) shifts in
one (1) year compared to five (5), ten (10), or twenty (20) shifts in previous years, it is
a red flag for me that there was some type of collusion for sick leave.
Mr. Goble: Yes. In speaking to that, the audit stops short
and using terms like "intentional." However, as we look at it, we have the
responsibility to ensure processes are followed, to look for patterns, and to monitor
issues. That is something that is within our scope. I will add that being in a
collectively bargained world, it is more difficult than it should be. The prevailing
response or attitude has been, "That is my benefit and I will use it the way that I see
fit." I believe as a management team, that is not a one hundred percent (100%)
accurate statement. If you are sick and you use your sick leave, that is totally
appropriate whether that is twice a year or forty (40) times a year—if you are sick,
that is why it exists. From a management team's perspective, we can monitor the
situation and if it looks like a pattern that shows evidence of untoward behavior that
is implied in the audit.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Councilmember Kuali`i.
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Councilmember Kuali`i: I think that I already know my answer from
your opening comments, and I really appreciate what you have shared. Mr. Kimura
and Spire Hawai`i, LLP did a thorough job with their audit. I assume that you read
it in detail and looked at the fifteen (15) recommendations that they made. All the
recommendations were agreed upon by the prior leaders of the Department. I am
assuming that you also agree with the recommendations and will be working to
implement as many of those recommendations as possible.
Mr. Goble: Those are my responses.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Okay.
Mr. Goble: Mr. Kimura presented the draft and asked me
to respond whether I agreed or disagreed with the recommendation and to indicate a
plan going forward. Those are the responses from the current management team.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Excellent, thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. Chief
Goble, thank you for being here, for your in-depth opening statement, and for all of
the work you folks have done to address this issue. Also, thank you to the former
Acting Chief Kanoho and Battalion Chiefs before you. I would like to reiterate the
question I asked Mr. Kimura regarding the capacity of getting a notification when
someone exceeds their sick leave hours compared to previous years and goes into
pension spiking territory. Do you folks have that or is that something that you are
working on?
Mr. Goble: It is not something that we are currently
working on, but it is something that we are able to look at. Every time I open the
pages to the formula for spiking, excess pension costs, and all the factors that go into
it, it makes my head hurt a little. We need to build a mechanism that can track that
for us. It is complex, but it is something that we can look into to see if we are able to
come up with a solution for that.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you. It would be great to coordinate
with HR, such that when something does occur, there is a red flag. I also mentioned
to Mr. Kimura that when someone enters that territory, they are not allowed to work
shifts on the Sparky Fire House Trailer and/or off-island travel training. Some of the
discretion regarding overtime that you folks have control over, it would be good to
pull the reigns back when people go over. Is that something that could be
appropriate?
Mr. Goble: Yes, we have some ability to do that. In
specific cases, we have people who are a single resource for some of the projects that
go on. However, it is something that we can monitor and work towards long-term
solutions. Some of the ways and ideas to control this issue is to distribute this
knowledge out across a wider group of people.
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Councilmember Evslin: Thank you. I would like to briefly say that the
Sparky Fire House Trailer and all the work that you do with the community, types of
training, your internal training, off-island conferences, are all vitality important. I
am not saying, "Do not do this." I want to ensure that is not contributing factors to
spiking when there is so much "baked in" the system regarding RFR. Thank you,
Chief.
Mr. Goble: Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions?
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: Thank you, Chief, for your presentation,
participation, and recommendations. For the most part, I am can say that a lot of
this happened before your time. For me, to have a new leader who is clear of these
audit findings is refreshing for me. Thank you for taking the job, coming with an
open mind, dealing with this problem, and trying to fix it. The City & County of
Honolulu is currently doing an audit on the Honolulu Fire Department (HFD). Some
of the findings have already come out in the news where they are finding problems
with overtime, not having proper approvals, and high numbers beyond reasonable
expectation. Maui County did an audit three (3) years ago citing a lot of sick leave
abuse that they found. Numbers jumping where it does not take a rocket scientist to
say something fishy is going on. At the end of the day, the CBA allows this to happen.
They have families to feed and houses to build. Is it possible that you and the other
Fire Chiefs can ask HR or the Mayor to help with the next CBA to revise it so that it,
does not allow for the generous provisions regarding RFR? Perhaps it is cutting it
down a little and giving you folks more control for when people abuse the system,
which is what is happening. Is that a possibility? The light is shining on all of the
Hawai`i Fire Departments, not only Kaua`i. How do you address this with our fellow
county counterparts who are also dealing with this?
Mr. Goble: You are right. The bottom line is that this is
a black eye that no one wants. What I am learning about the labor environment in
the State is tricky. For the CBA, the State has four (4) of the eight (8) votes that
carries the day in these kinds of issues. We need to work on this and work collectively
as counties to identify when items like this have a disproportionate impact to the
County versus the State, those are times we need to engage with the State and have
those challenging conversations about how this is impacting us and the drivers of this
behavior within our organizations. I think that you are right, and we need to move
on these things. I know that it is specifically in the RFR...I cannot say that I know,
but I deduce from the language in the CBA regarding RFR that this change was
negotiated with something towards assessing its value. The clause talking about
reporting out to the Union regarding benefits and costs is clearly identified in the
CBA language. That drives me to believe it leaves it open for these types of
conversations. Is two hundred eighty-eight (288) hours the right number or is there
room for adjustment? An example is what Kaua`i has done with the implementation
of the six-month limit versus the one-year limit to help to control the last six (6)
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months of someone's career. These are things that should be considered in the next
round of negotiations.
Councilmember Kagawa: Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: Chief, thank you for being here. I am an
advocate of the two-in/two-out. With OSHA and NFPA standards in place, it is a
safety issue. I gravitate to a few things that my colleagues mentioned. One is the
inevitable financial fallout that we are facing and the collective bargaining process.
For me, how they intersect is regarding the long-term strategy for our public safety
division. When we look at the minimum staffing manpower needs, not specifically,
but you mentioned that many jurisdictions look at how to creatively meet those
standards. Over the years, we had discussions about integration and cross training
that I feel we inevitably must look at in order to be stronger not only financially, but
from a safety standpoint. My question is if you have thought about those things
moving forward. They overlap and on scene, we have police, American Medical
Response, Inc. (AMR). The subject has been broached with lifeguards at the parks
versus at the pool. These certifications are attainable if we look at having these
discussions with our collective bargaining process and how the flexibility can be
addressed. Have you thought about those things?
Mr. Goble: We evaluate those things regularly. The steps
we took to not only address pension costs, but overall budget consideration, we made
overall adjustments to our daily staffing level and reduced it, for that very reason.
We recognized that while the recommendation and the standard is four (4) per
station, we were able to look at the big picture and recognize that when we have a
situation where our second-due company is in very close proximity, we are able to
drop below that number in a safe way. That is one (1) of the little tweaks that we
made to the system to try and address certain needs. You are right, the money tree
is not exactly blooming, and it does not look like it will be blooming in the future for
us. We need to continuously assess our options to create that safety margin. At the
top of that list is safe operations for our people so that we can keep the community
safe. Within those guidelines, we need to be creative in how we accomplish those
goals.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I want to ask a follow-up question to what
Councilmember Chock asked. At times, some of the calls are for small incidents
where a person twists their ankle. When a call is placed, between the police,
firefighters, and AMR, there are four (4) to eight (8) people who arrive on the scene.
I recently overviewed KPD's Matrix Survey, and it may be something to consider
looking at in regard to all of the first responders. If we do not have enough demand
on our Fire Station so that it is fine when they get called out for a simple situation,
that is great. However, when we look at expanding to increase Fire Stations, we need
to reevaluate the situation when we are sending the fire trucks out for situations that
do not need extensive service. Have you seen the Matrix Survey for KPD?
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Mr. Goble: I have not. However, it sounds like the study
that we have commissioned will be very similar to that study. We want to be able to
say, "X number of our responses are for emergency medical responses." Does it make
sense that we send a brush truck, an engine, and Battalion Chiefs to those calls?
That would help us to answer those questions regarding our appropriate response
level. We want to be smart and strategic about adding resources in the future. It
makes sense if our response mix is seventy-five percent (75%) emergency medical and
fifteen percent (15%) fire related, and whatever else falls in between, it does not make
sense. When we open a Fire Station, do we start with a minimal EMS capable
response as the starting point so that it is more cost efficient, but still be able to
address majority of the problem. I think those are strategies that we should have in
mind. Again, this utilization study that we will be undertaking will help us to define
that better. Understanding the risk in the community, what the appropriate
response to that risk should be, and ultimately resource that response requirement
is the path that we need to take.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you. I have a few questions regarding
the CBA. If Matthew Bracken or Michael Dahilig can answer my questions, Chief
Goble, I would like you to listen, so you are able to hear their response. If they are
both listening, this question is most likely for Michael Dahilig. Is our HR person the
one who attends as one (1) out of eight (8) people there for the CBA? Is that correct?
MICHAEL A. DAHILIG, Managing Director: Michael Dahilig, for the
record. Councilmember Cowden, the way that the State's collective bargaining
statutes are set up for each unit, each county employer is given one (1) vote and the
Governor is given four (4). When you use that phrase "eight (8)," it is only five (5).
Out of the five (5), the Governor has half of the votes. If one (1) county joins the
Governor, it effectuates an offer from the employer collectively to the Union for any
type of changes to the agreement or to make the offer official. Normally, that is how
it works. Yes, our Director of Human Resources is the person who sits in the
negotiations and can cast Mayor Kawakami's vote after she consults with the Mayor
on what is on the table. It turns into scenarios across all collective bargaining units
where the State holds half of the votes and the counties hold the other half. You
would need one (1) Mayor to agree with the Governor on a particular offer.
Councilmember Cowden: I am assuming during this time of the
COVID-19 shutdown...I am not sure the specific word we are calling it...safe social
distancing. Is the next CBA event going to be remotely? I am asking because as
Committee Chair for the Public Safety & Human Services Committee, I know that I
would not have a voice, but I would like to listen. Two (2) years ago, it was suggested
for someone from the Council to attend the meeting.
Mr. Dahilig: For the collective bargaining negotiations?
Councilmember Cowden: Yes, to be able to hear it. It seems like we do
not even get a choice. KPD and KFD are two (2) of the most expensive Departments
in the entire County. We do not have a role in this process, and we are not able to
listen to what happens.
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Mr. Dahilig: Councilmember Cowden, I understand what
you are asking, but this is a separation of powers situation where the employer, which
is the Mayor as Chief Executive Officer of the Government Administrative side is
empowered to have that discussion as part of the negotiations. Where the Council
comes into the result of the negotiations is that the Council can elect to fund or not
fund the proposal. There have been bills that came up before the Council for
consideration. Based on past situations, the Council has a say in putting money
behind the agreement. If there is no money behind the agreement, then the
agreement ultimately fails. That is an example of where the Legislative Branch
comes into the overall collective bargaining process—they can assert its will in
saying, "A particular proposal is not wanted, we are not going to fund it." It will then
force everyone back to the table again.
Councilmember Cowden: I am not sure if my next question is for you or
Matthew Bracken the County Attorney. I know that your background is also in law,
and you might know the answer to this question. In this CBA, can the Counties do
anything to rollback or ease abusive pension spiking opportunities? RFR is
important, but it sounds like only in 2015 overtime occurred, can there be a rollback
in the CBA discussions?
Mr. Dahilig: Councilmember Cowden, I would suggest
forwarding a formal question over to the Office of the County Attorney. As Chief
Goble has alluded to, the CBA are very dense and how they actually lead to rights
that the employer has and certain rights that the employee has...there is often a
shade of gray in how words on paper are interpreted, hence the grievance process or
the prohibited practice process before the Hawai`i Labor Relations Board (HLRB).
Rather than giving a shotgun response based off of your question, I think that it is in
the County's best interest to let the Office of the County Attorney to review that
question and provide legal guidance to what tools the Administrative side has to hold
firm on certain items or be able to enforce certain items in the CBA that seem to be
abused. As the Chief mentioned, they are actively looking at things such as better
monitoring of RFR payments and how to take advantage of things like the 40-hour
workweek. Ultimately, as the Chief also alluded to, there is a lot better process and
product when those discussions happen bilaterally with the Union rather than
unilaterally from the standpoint of unilateral limitation. That discussion process
with the Union as part of an understanding in how the contract is going to be
enforced, makes for a better cooperation, working at cooperative environment with
the Union rather than leading to a series of grievances based off of unilateral
limitations
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I respect what you are saying and the
importance of having written discussion on this. The general intention of my question
without needing it answered is, if the process prior to 2015 was better than now and
legal, maybe we can rollback to that. I am ultimately looking at our fiscal
accountability and realizing that it is a lot of management work for our Fire Chief
and leadership to contain, monitor, watch, than to simply remove something that
inspired less than good practice. It seems that we have an area that can use help. I
am glad to hear that our Chief and leadership team want to work proactively on
solving that, and I am looking if there is a way that the Councils can help. I think
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that we can talk to the other counties through HSAC or a similar direction. Between
the four (4) counties, we can all say, "Hey, we are all on the same team," it gives us
some parity with the Governor. We will look for ways to help you folks to solve this
situation. Thank you.
Mr. Dahilig: Councilmember Cowden, in response, I will
say that what the audit pointed out is that we need to constantly be vigilant in
adjusting to new requirements and not doing business as usual. This would not be a
point of issue if it was not for the Act 153 coming in and creating penalties for bad
behavior. That is essentially what we would expect from all our department heads
to adjust to the new requirements and make it a financial obligation on our end. What
is clear from the audit conducted by Spire Hawai`i, LLC, is that there was resistance
to adjust to those norms. It is the law. We do not have a choice to not abide by
Act 153, we get a bill every year, and our department heads need to be vigilant to
adjusting to things that hit our taxpayers' pocketbooks. That is the message in the
audit, that needs to be changed. Based on what Fire Chief Goble is response is, those
changes are now welcomed within the Department, which seemed to be the most
resistant to that in the past.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you everyone.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions from the
Councilmembers. If not, thank you.
There being no further objections, the meeting was called back to order, and
proceeded as follows:
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion from the Members?
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: Thank you. For me, it triggers and brings
back some of the anger and frustration of previous years. It all started during a
previous budget when I asked Scott to do an analysis for me on the County's largest
budgets, which were KPD, KFD, and Solid Waste. I believe I asked for a ten-year
analysis. KFD went from sixteen million dollars ($16,000,000) to thirty-three million
dollars ($33,000,000) over ten (10) years. They increased approximately ten
percent (10%) per year. Typically, government salaries go up five percent (5%) per
year. I was thinking to myself that this seems out of control, and KPD was the same,
increasing approximately ten percent (10%) per year. Over the past six (6) years,
KPD has done a better job in minimizing some of the abuse with overtime, they had
a lot more control under our current Chief of Police. Apart from COVID-19, I think
he has done a great job. With KFD, I proposed some of my options to reduce the ten
percent (10%) per year, I made cuts for KFD every year. It started at two million
dollars ($2,000,000), I did a second amendment for one million dollars ($1,000,000),
and another amendment for five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000). It was a
general cut to overtime that I felt they had a lot in other areas of their budget. When
I proposed these budget cuts, former Fire Chief Westerman and the staff who were
sitting in the audience were smirking at my cuts, and they were telling us on the
podium that our cuts would cause public safety backlash.
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Now, to receive this audit and see that it was all done because "senior
employees have earned the right to take advantage of overtime as they approach
retirement." That is not right. Your right as a Fire Chief and as a Department is to
spend your taxpayers' money, protect the public health and safety of the island
residents, in a prudent and fiscally responsible way. It is not to commit fraud, abuse,
et cetera—which is what occurred based on the audit findings. Today, I sit here, and
I knew...I knew the results of the audit would come out the way that it did. A lot of
the information that I was getting was from inside personnel who did not want to be
named. I continuously asked them for the past six (6) years. Councilmember Chock,
a former fireman, he helped me on several occasions. Council Chair Kaneshiro, being
my strongest supporter. All of you, you have all said, "this is not okay." Mayor
Kawakami, when he was a Councilmember, sat across me, he felt that the abuse was
not okay. We love the good work that they all do, it is not upon the men. It was up
on the management to see that this cannot continue. Who is going to end up suffering
when you continuously abuse the system? The younger people are going to end up
suffering when all they are trying to do is their job. The senior employees think that
they have a right to fatten their piggy banks before they retire—that is not right. It
is not former Fire Chief Westerman's money to give out bonuses as people retire. He
is not Santa Claus. I am more upset with the audit findings, because of the attitudes
that we faced during budget. The cocky attitudes they had when saying, "How dare
you tell us how to run our Department, we protect..." It has nothing to do with that.
What I was asking was how do we stop the abuse and control your spending? I am
worried about the future, I am worried about the keiki, I am worried about people
who are not firemen or married to firemen, I am worried in general. It is not right,
and it was never right. I hope from now on with Chief Goble, we start to get it right.
Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. First, I
would like to thank Chief Goble for being here and having the courage. I would like
to ensure that he knows my comments do not reflect what he has responded to as a
result of taking this position. In the audit, he has properly responded, and to the
recommendations that are being formed. I will say that, we have created a culture
where everyone must realize that they have a piece and a part to play in the outcome
that we are experiencing. That culture really is in acceptance of irresponsible
behavior; and ultimately, it is an entitled mentality. As far as I am concerned, what
we have seen was abuse of the public's trust and mismanagement or management
oversight. As we look forward in how we are going to address this, with the result of
this audit, we saw how it is going to get done from a manager's perspective. However,
from a system standpoint, I think that we are very limited when we look at collective
bargaining and when we look at raises. I appreciate what the Managing Director
mentioned. There have been comments made, but the Council is limited how we
approach this. What you have seen is a "hammer" used to try and address, to send a
message saying, "This is not the way we want to approach this, can you take a look
at it, it is not working." I do not think it has happened before, but this Council has
moved twice to deny raises. The only thing the Council has a say in is whether they
can accept the CBA. That was a cry out for everyone to look at this. The pension
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spiking was another "hammer" situation. It was very broad in the approach that
was taken, but it sends a message, "This is something that we have to address,
because it is not working for us." I do appreciate Councilmember Kagawa comments
regarding his intentions. My hope is that while working alongside the other Counties,
we can be more "proactive," and what I have heard is "less reactive" to how we are
able to control our future, and still provide the exceptional service that our Fire
Department offers our community. I think this is possible. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. I would
like to echo what has been said. Number one, I would like to thank Mr. Kimura for
the audit and the good work. Thank you, Chief Goble, for being transparent
throughout this process, and especially today. Some of the work that came
immediately before him is instituting long needed reforms regarding 40-hour
workweeks for training, the Sparky Fire House Trailer, and other scenarios where
there seemed to be abuse. I would like to echo what Councilmember Kagawa was
saying, what is unfortunate about spiking is that it puts a cloud over the entire
Department because of the abuse of a potential selective few. This came up during
the CBA, and as Councilmember Chock said almost got voted down because of people
who have already retired. Especially as we impact people who often probably cannot
even spike in the same capacity. The other problem is when we have a two million
dollar ($2,000,000) spiking penalty, that could have gone towards affordable housing
development, other public services, or to reduce taxes. This is money that is coming
out of taxpayers' pockets. This is money that does not come out of thin air. This is
coming out of reduced services or higher taxes. It is incredibly unfortunate. Going
forward, I would like to recognize that the audit has made it clear in some of the
statements that RFR does maintain spiking into the system. Even with all the
managerial reforms that we take, by someone maxing out their RFR, they are likely
to spike over the next few years until we can get more RFR that are based on
comparison pay. This is hard to say, but I would encourage people to be aware that
if they are maxing out their RFR and are in their final years, this will come out of the
public's expense, and hopefully they do not max out their RFR. I would also hope
that the Department will continue to take measures to identify when someone is
exceeding their comparison pay by "X" percent, and in discretionary overtime back
off on some of that. Lastly, I would like to say, as I said this to Chief Goble, this is
not a knock on the work that they do in any capacity. The Sparky Fire House Trailer,
the training, the community work, the off-island training all are vital. Overtime is
baked into the system. The problem is when that goes above a certain percentage,
and the taxpayers pay for their pension costs over and above what we should be
paying. Thank you to KFD for all the work they have done to take control on this
situation, and I am confident that they are going to continue to work hard.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I will not repeat anything that was already
mentioned, but ditto to what my fellow Councilmembers have already shared. I
would like to say mahalo nui loa to Spire Hawaii, LLC, for doing such a thorough
audit, and Chief Goble, for taking this on and being willing to work on the
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recommendations. I would like to thank Councilmember Kagawa for leading the way
and to the Council for commissioning or contracting this audit. As we are yet to hire
and recruit a County Auditor, it is critically important that we as a Council perform
audits like this, so that we as a County can do better as public servants and be more
fiscally responsible. As a County, it is our taxpayers' hard earned dollars that we
work with day-in and day-out. I am hopeful. We have a new Fire Chief, a thorough
audit with fifteen (15) different recommendations that have all been agreed to, and
we will do better. I would like to see the numbers and results in the next upcoming
years.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: It has been well said by all my colleagues. I
am not wanting to repeat what they are saying. I appreciate and I agree with all the
good points that have been made. As today is Councilmember Kagawa's last day, I
think it is really fitting that we got this result. As long as I have been on this Council
and prior, this has been a very big issue for you, and you were right. I want to
acknowledge your persistence, I appreciate you. I appreciate KFD. When the Union
came here and I felt they were twisting our arms, I think it was the angriest I got, it
is important that we stand up to the Union if they overreach. This is an example
where we are seeing the evidence where it was overreached. I appreciate all our
firemen, and firewomen. I appreciate everyone and I am glad that we had success
with the audit done by Spire Hawai`i, LLC. Thank you Spire Hawai`i, LLC, Chief
Goble, and everyone involved.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: I would like to say thank you to Mr. Kimura
for the audit. Chief Goble and the Administration for being responsive to the audit.
Obviously, it would be more difficult if the information was not flowing freely. I have
been Chair of the Budget & Finance Committee for the last six (6) years, and this has
been an issue for me. Every year during the Budget Meeting, we ask the Fire
Department what they can do to be efficient and cut costs. The answer is always
"nothing, RFR is what it is, and it will continue to increase." This audit finally gave
us the evidence to show that there are things...RFR is there, but management must
take control over how they are controlling overtime. This audit identified areas where
abuse did occur. The Sparky Fire House Trailer was being abused and travel training
was being abused. I am glad that changes were implemented, and the major changes
were implemented after this audit started. I am glad there is changes being made
for the Sparky Fire House Trailer in the way they schedule, and to be fair. I am glad
they recognize the travel abuse and changed the policy in year 2020. Sick leave is
something that we need to watch and where there was major abuse.
In 2017, you have thirty-nine (39) shifts of sick leave used versus five (5),
ten (10), and twenty-one (21) shifts from the past three (3) years. That is a red flag
that something is going on. It is obvious as people are ready to retire, they do not
want to lose sick leave, so they are going to use it. Sick leave is not a vacation day
and it is to be used when you are sick. That needs to be watched. The audit shows
that there are changes that need to be made that can help improve how the Fire
Department operates. I am glad that Chief Goble is here, he recognized the issue,
and made these changes. Councilmember Kagawa and I took heat the last time
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Collective Bargaining came up. All we were asking was for them to be accountable.
They were asking for increases and bonuses, and we were saying, "We just got a two
million two hundred thousand dollar ($2,200,000) bill for spiking, and we are going
to give out bonuses?" We were looking for accountability and change, frustratingly
enough, it never happened until this audit came out. For me, it was nothing against
the firefighters, it is being fair, and looking out for our taxpayers' dollars. We need
to look out for the entire island and we need to look out for our taxpaying residents,
to ensure our money is being spent wisely. When we pay a two million two hundred
thousand dollar ($2,200,000) spiking bill for ten (10) employees, that is two million
two hundred thousand dollar ($2,200,000) that could go to a new firetruck, Personal
Protective Equipment (PPE), et cetera; but no, it went into ERS, because of firemen
that spiked.
When you look at fairness, majority of the spiking every year is caused by KFD.
Obviously, the Collective Bargaining Contract favors the Fire Department to spike
more than any other department. That is something we need to look at. Sick leave
is obviously a way to abuse RFR. It would be a good step forward if we were able to
go into Collective Bargaining and say, "We are okay with RFR, we know that it helps
to provide consistency, but we need to take out the sick leave that is an area, which
seems to be abused." That would help management manage RFR and overtime
better. This has nothing personally to do with firemen, it is Department
accountability. I am glad that it came out before Councilmember Kagawa left. It has
been something that we talked about every year. With that, is there any further
discussion from the Members? Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I would like to make a comment that was not
broadly shared, but it was mentioned. I would like to say that the Union is not
necessarily the "bad" organization or person for this issue. The Union is the collective
voice of the workers, and they are primarily there to protect health, safety, fairness;
and compensation is a big part of that. When we talked about the CBA, let us
remember that it is two (2) sides that come to the table, and management ultimately
agrees to the CBA. If we as a County have issues that we want to change with the
CBA, we need to do it from the County's end. Whether it is four (4) votes with the
Governor, and the other four (4) with the Mayors from the different Counties, it is
the eight (8) votes that allowed what happened to happen. The Union are workers
themselves; when they come to the table, they are going to bargain for the best that
they can get for their workers. We all admit, our workers work hard, and they are
important to us. I wanted to share that the Union is not the bad person in all of this.
Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any further comments or discussion
from the Members? If not, the motion on the floors is to receive.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-283 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6:0:1*.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: The motion is carried. Next item.
C 2020-284 Communication (11/19/2020) from Councilmember Evslin and
Councilmember Chock transmitting for Council consideration, a Resolution Urging
The State Of Hawai`i To Adopt A Revised Safe Reopening Plan For Kaua`i County
Due To The Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Pandemic.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to receive C 2020-284 for the record, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: We will discuss this item when the Resolution
comes up on the agenda. Is there any discussion from the Members?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to receive C 2020-284 for the record was then put, and carried by
a vote of 6:0:1*.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
PUBLIC WORKS & VETERANS SERVICES COMMITTEE:
A report (No. CR-PWVS 2020-04) submitted by the Public Works & Veterans
Services Committee, recommending that the following be Received for the Record:
"Communication (09/15/2020) from Councilmember Cowden, requesting
the presence of the Acting County Engineer and the Acting Solid Waste Chief,
to provide a briefing on Act 073 (Session Laws of Hawai`i 2020) and the
implications that this legislation may have on any future planning efforts by
the County of Kaua`i Department of Public Works, Solid Waste Division,"
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the report, seconded by
Councilmember Kagawa.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion from the Members on
this item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for approval of the report was then put, and carried by a vote of
6:0:1*.
PLANNING COMMITTEE:
A report (No. CR-PL 2020-09) submitted by the Planning Committee,
recommending that the following be Approved with amendments made to the West
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Kaua`i Community Plan booklet entitled "Planning Commission Draft" dated
May 26, 2020 including all Appendices, as referenced in Bill No. 2797:
"Bill No. 2797 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING
REGULATIONS, PROCEDURES, ZONING, DEVELOPMENT PLANS, AND
FUTURE GROWTH AREAS FOR THE HANAPEPE-`ELE`ELE PLANNING
DISTRICT AND THE WAIMEA-KEKAHA PLANNING DISTRICT IN
CHAPTER 10, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, AND
ESTABLISHING EXCEPTIONS, MODIFICATIONS, AND ADDITIONS TO
CHAPTER 8 AND CHAPTER 9, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS
AMENDED, AND AMENDING ZONING MAPS ZM-K100 (KEKAHA),
ZM-W100 (WAIMEA), AND ZM-H200 (HANAPEPE) (WEST KAUAI
COMMUNITY PLAN) (ZA-2020-07)."
A report (No. CR-PL 2020-10) submitted by the Planning Committee,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final readin:
"Bill No. 2798 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
"KAUAI KAKOU — KAUAI COUNTY GENERAL PLAN" (2018)
LAND USE MAPS AND OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE WEST
KAUAI COMMUNITY PLAN (ZA-2020-08),"
A report (No. CR-PL 2020-11) submitted by the Planning Committee,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading:
"Bill No. 2799 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
CHAPTER 8, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, BY
ESTABLISHING A NEW SPECIAL TREATMENT COASTAL EDGE (ST-CE)
DISTRICT AND AMENDING ZONING MAPS ZM-K100 (KEKAHA), ZM-
W100 (WAIMEA), ZM-200, AND ZM-H200 (HANAPEPE) (ZA-2020-09),"
A report (No. CR-PL 2020-12) submitted by the Planning Committee,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading:
"Bill No. 2800, Draft 1 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING CHAPTER 8, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987,AS AMENDED, BY
ESTABLISHING A NEW PLANTATION CAMP (PC) DISTRICT AND
AMENDING ZONING MAP ZM-200 (ZA-2020-10),"
A report (No. CR-PL 2020-13) submitted by the Planning Committee,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading:
"Bill No. 2801 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO OVERLAY THE
SPECIAL TREATMENT PUBLIC FACILITIES DISTRICT (ST-P) ON A
PORTION OF ZONING MAP ZM-H200 (HANAPEPE) (ZA-2020-11)."
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A report (No. CR-PL 2020-14) submitted by the Planning Committee,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading:
"Bill No. 2802 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
ZONING MAP ZM-200 (ZA-2020-12),"
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the reports, seconded by
Councilmember Kagawa.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion from the Members on
this item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding these agenda items.)
The motion for approval of the reports was then put, and carried by a vote of
6:0:1*.
PUBLIC SAFETY & HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE:
A report (No. CR-PSHS 2020-04) submitted by the Public Works & Veterans
Services Committee, recommending that the following be Received for the Record:
"PSHS 2020-03 Communication (10/22/2020) from Committee Chair
Cowden, requesting the presence of the Chief of Police and the Managing
Director, to provide a briefing on the County of Kaua`i's data resulting from the
State's reopening of transpacific travel on October 15, 2020, including the rough
percentage of incoming travelers and residents who have not been tested for
COVID-19, anticipated challenges with quarantine enforcement, funding and
personnel strategies, and identifying agencies and departments that will be
conducting quarantine enforcement,"
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the report, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion from the Members on
this item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for approval of the report was then put, and carried by a vote of
6:0:1*.
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE:
A report (No. CR-COW 2020-22) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Received for the Record:
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"COW 2020-10 Communication (10/22/2020) from Committee Chair
Cowden, requesting the presence of the Chief of Police and the Managing Director,
to provide a briefing on the County of Kaua`i's data resulting from the State's
reopening of transpacific travel on October 15, 2020, including the rough percentage
of incoming travelers and residents who have not been tested for COVID-19,
anticipated challenges with quarantine enforcement, funding and personnel
strategies, and identifying agencies and departments that will be conducting
quarantine enforcement,"
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the report, seconded by
Councilmember Kagawa.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any discussion from the Members on
this item?
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for approval of the report was then put, and carried by a vote of
6:0:1*.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: We have about fifteen (15) minutes until
lunch, let us see if we are able to get through the HSAC Resolution. We will see
where we are after that, and we may have to break for lunch, and come back for the
remainder of the agenda items.
RESOLUTIONS:
Resolution No. 2020-56 — RESOLUTION APPROVING PROPOSALS FOR
INCLUSION IN THE 2021 HAWAII STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES
LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for adoption of Resolution No. 2020-56,
seconded by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions on the HSAC
Legislative Package? Many are recurring items that we have already talked about in
the past. I do not think that we need an overview on this. Is there any final discussion
from the Members? Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I would like to make a comment. One (1) of
these items that is coming from Maui County is single-payer healthcare. I am excited
that it is on our package, because it is so long overdue to be having a discussion. It is
only a Resolution and it does not mean that it will happen. When I deal with the
community that struggles, we may think that they are taken care of, but we do not.
Instead of making an insurance claim, I hope someday I make a tax payment that
supports single-payer healthcare. That will help everyone go to the doctor.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any further discussion on this?
Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: I would like to thank the Council for moving
these items forward regarding HSAC. I would like to remind everyone that HSAC hired
a lobbyist to help support advancing these measures. Although this gets passed here,
it is only the beginning. We need to follow them closely and support them. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I would like to also thank our team at the
County who has worked hard dealing with our abandoned vehicles. It looks like we are
making progress, but we have several items on the HSAC Package that are designed to
help break through some of the impasses that we have had. Thank you for the work. I
would like to acknowledge Councilmember Chock, our Police Department, and everyone
who was a part of that effort. By moving the abandoned vehicles to where they should
be is good for everyone and our environment.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there any further discussion from the
Members? If not, roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for adoption of Resolution No. 2020-56 was then put, and carried
by the following vote:
FOR ADOPTION: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST ADOPTION: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0.
JADE K. FOUNTAIN-TANIGAWA, County Clerk: Six (6) ayes.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: With ten (10) minutes left, we will take a
lunch break. Being that the next Resolution is going to take longer than ten (10)
minutes, I do not want to rush through it. We will take our lunchbreak; we will be
back in one (1) hour and proceed with our agenda items.
There being no objections, the meeting recessed at 12:20 p.m.
The meeting reconvened at 1:27 p.m., and proceeded as follows:
Resolution No. 2020-57 — RESOLUTION URGING THE STATE OF HAWAII
TO ADOPT A REVISED SAFE REOPENING PLAN FOR KAUAI COUNTY DUE TO
THE CORONAVIRUS DISEASE (COVID-19) PANDEMIC
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Councilmember Kuali`i moved for adoption of Resolution No. 2020-57,
seconded by Councilmember Kagawa.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock, would you like to
provide a brief explanation?
Councilmember Chock: I will briefly share information and let
Councilmember Evslin add anything thereafter. When the travel precautions were
being presented, there was a lot of movement from the Council trying to come into
alignment and provide input. At that time, we were a little late in presenting a Council
resolution, but we submitted letters in response to our interests and in hearing from
the constituents. This time around, as we have been monitoring the progress of the
program, we have been seeing the need. Councilmember Evslin and I reinvigorated the
original Resolution that identified the interest of having a post-test instituted. That is
basically what this Resolution consists of, but it goes a little further in asking if that
rule for a mandatory post-test is not put into place, we could perhaps look into opting
out of the pre-travel test program. I believe since Mayor Kawakami made his statement
requesting for a pause in the program, there may be a need or interest to amend the
current Resolution that we are looking at today to come into alignment. I will let
Councilmember Evslin continue.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro and
Councilmember Chock. The Resolution is in support of either a 2-test program for
incoming arrivals, or in support of the Mayor completely opting out of the Safe Travels
Program. I would like to mention a few things since it was drafted and placed on the
agenda last week, there have been a few updates, that mostly occurred yesterday.
Number one, a peer reviewed report came out written by Dr. Darrah O'Carroll, showing
that the State's surveillance testing on Kaua`i showed fifteen (15) per one thousand
(1,000) arrivals on island are positive for COVID-19 after receiving a negative pretest,
which is fifteen (15) times higher than the one (1) per one thousand (1,000) figure
predicted by Lieutenant Governor Josh Green. The report outlines this occurs because
the single test will miss up to sixty percent (60%) of infected individuals. The test does
not pickup positive results in the early days of infection. It shows persuasively that
with the current island's and infections on the mainland, only a 14-day quarantine or a
seven-day quarantine followed by a second test are adequate safety protocols for
arrivals. Yesterday, Dr. Janet Berreman, District Health Officer, penned an op-ed in
the Honolulu Star Advertiser urging a complete opt out of the single test program and
reinstating the 14-day quarantine until case numbers are brought down. Most
importantly, yesterday, Mayor Kawakami formally requested to Governor Ige that
Kaua`i will be opting out of the Safe Travels Program entirely, and reinstituting the
14-day quarantine starting December 1st. With that, the Resolution is merely
supporting the Mayor's efforts to keep Kauai safe. As Councilmember Chock
mentioned, we have a small amendment.
Councilmember Evslin moved to amend Resolution No. 2020-57 as circulated,
and as shown in the Floor Amendment which is attached hereto as Attachment 1,
seconded by Councilmember Chock.
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Councilmember Evslin: Being that the Mayor's opting out request came
after the Resolution was drafted and put on the agenda, we want to amend the
Resolution to make it clear that the Resolution supports the Mayor in opting out now.
This is in order to get cases under control, and to implement a science-based 2-test plan.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members on
the amendment? Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: The amendment was just handed to us, and I
am trying to read it quickly. Is this amendment still suggesting the 2-test plan?
Councilmember Evslin: The first Resolution stated proposing the 2-test
plan, and if we are not able to do that, we would be opting out. Being that the Mayor
already opted out yesterday, the amendment is opting out now, and work to develop a
2-test plan thereafter. This is being modified to say if the 2-test plan is rejected, this
supports the Mayor opting out now.
Councilmember Cowden: I still see that we have a 2-test plan in here.
Councilmember Evslin: It is saying if we are opting out now, and work
to develop the 2-test. It is supporting both ideas. Even if we opt out now, we still need
a 2-test because we are going to be in this for however many months more.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. As long as it can be both. If the 2-test
was three (3) days, how many days is it now?
Councilmember Evslin: Perhaps Managing Director Dahilig can
respond?
Council Chair Kaneshiro: The Resolution does not mention the days, it
only mentions the 2-test plan. Michael, can you clarify.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
Mr. Dahilig: Michael Dahilig, for the record. To address the
question, Councilmember, I would like to provide a background on this. We submitted
a proposal to the Governor to do the post-test last week Monday. That was something
that we proposed as something that needed to involve a mandatory three-day
quarantine, with a test that would be administered at the cost of the traveler. Those
tend to be the two (2) items that the Governor is not agreeing to. Therefore, we are in
a position where we must look at the data and be able to respond accordingly. The
Mayor in his judgment had to make a difficult call to say something must shift; change
the paradigm.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions?
Councilmember Kagawa.
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Councilmember Kagawa: Michael, in reading the Honolulu Star
Advertiser, the article said that it is expected that Governor Ige will not approve of
opting out. Is that the same feeling that we have?
Mr. Dahilig: Councilmember Kagawa, there are ongoing
conversations. We do not know where the Governor is going at this point. All we know
is that we sent out the Rule yesterday afternoon, and there have been various video
conferences with the Mayor and the Governor. I have been tending to Council, so I have
not been able to get up to date regarding the latest information.
Councilmember Kagawa: I received calls from the community that are
asking about opting out and what are they going to do with their children. I told them
to hang on, and the Mayor is asking that Kaua`i be allowed to opt out. It is not in effect
until the Governor approves.
Mr. Dahilig: Councilmember Kagawa, that is correct. The
reality is that the opt out mechanism was proposed by the Governor a few weeks ago
when this was preceding the start of the Safe Travels Program on October 15th. What
we are simply doing is trying to trigger a mechanism that the Governor created prior to
October 15th, by his offer in letting counties opt out of the system if they wanted to. At
the time, I believe the Mayor's thought process was to see if the Safe Travels Program
would work. Right now, the numbers seem to indicate that we are getting to prevalence
levels that are not within our ability to safely handle if it continues on that trajectory.
At this point, there are a number of cases that are in the analysis today and is in line
with what we have been seeing as an upward trend in the prevalence of disease on the
island.
Councilmember Kagawa: Understood. There is so much confusion with
residents as they plan for their children to come home. It is hard to gauge when the
County of Kaua`i is saying one thing, and the State is saying another. There are a lot
of confused and upset residents. They want clarity. I am sorry to say, but this process
is complicated.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. Michael,
thank you for being here. We need to repeat ourselves again. To be clear, we are not
locking down. Travel is still available for everyone. After December 1st, if we opt out of
the Safe Travels Program, everyone will need to quarantine for fourteen (14) days. Is
that correct?
Mr. Dahilig: That is correct.
Councilmember Chock: A few weeks ago, prior to the plan taking place,
Hawaii County made the decision that they would opt out of the plan. That was
available to the counties to make that decision unilaterally. The question is, is that still
the case now with the Mayor's announcement in wanting to move in this pause, that we
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have direct purview to close down on December 1st, or do we need permission from the
State in order to do so?
Mr. Dahilig: We need permission from the Governor. This
is a statewide program, and we do not control airlift into the County of Kaua`i. The
mechanism for quarantine is also by statute under the purview of the Governor's Office,
and not necessarily under the Mayor. This request to opt out is a "request," and is not
something that can be unilaterally effectuated by the Mayor's authority in this
situation.
Councilmember Chock: Thank you for clarifying that.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: I have a clarifying question that does not
pertain so much to the Resolution. We hear information regarding the new rules. I
heard something requiring a negative pre-test before flying. Did that pass, and what is
the status on that?
Mr. Dahilig: That is a State requirement as part of the
overall Safe Travels Program that is laid out in the Governor's Sixteenth Supplemental
Proclamation Relating to COVID-19. That change was put into force and effect by the
additional Proclamation made by the Governor that you need to have the test results in
hand when you are coming through the checkpoints at the various transpacific receiving
airports across the State. That is the case and that requirement is done by the
Governor's Proclamation. We asked for that by County Rule because when the
Fifteenth Proclamation was released, it did not have that item in there. We have a
quarter of our travel related cases with folks who did not have test result when they
arrived, and they found out they were positive after they arrived on island. When you
have a quarter of those cases that are coming into your County and as a result of that
particular type of noncompliance, it behooved the Mayor to submit a local rule because
that is the only area of jurisdiction as Kaua`i. The Governor believed that it was
something that needed to be done statewide and did a Supplemental Proclamation
shortly thereafter, so it was not necessary for us to announce that rule.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Thank you. Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: The way I read this, it is like leverage. It is
saying, "We are going to opt out until a science-based 2-test PCR plan, a proven science-
based multitask antigen plan is adopted." I would like it if somewhere towards the top
of the page, on the fourth whereas, if that whereas said, "Whereas a 2-test plan with a
shortened four-day or five-day quarantine, "if it was specific," will dramatically reduce
infection rates." I know that a lot of people would prefer six (6) days. I am negotiable
on that. If we say, "shortened quarantine or 2-test," what would not work for me if that
means that they would take a test before they get on the plane and they take a test
when they got off the plane. It is one and one-half days apart, and basically defeats the
purpose. I feel like that fourth whereas should suggest the length of the shortened
quarantine. When we go to the full fourteen (14) days, that is stopping visitors from
coming again. I am trying to think about the hotels that reopened. If it is four (4) days
or five (5) days, that would work; I do not think two (2) weeks will work. What I would
like to see us end up with is the 2-test piece with four (4) or five (5) days quarantine.
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When we do not give a length of what a shortened quarantine means for a 2-test plan,
I do not feel that this has enough direction. Is there any response on that from anyone?
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Chock, followed by
Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Chock: The first thing I would like to say is that this a
resolution. The Mayor does not have direct oversight on the decision process. This is a
"call for action" in a specific direction. My interest in this is that as a County, we are in
alignment. I am open to that, but I can tell you exactly what I want which is not a 3-
day test; I want a 6-day test.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay.
Councilmember Chock: I do not know if that is the outcome I am
looking for right now, because we want alignment. I would pose that question to the
Manager Director, and ask him what the Mayor would agree to. They already offered
a 3-day test and it was rejected. I am guessing that is most likely where they want to
go. I want to leave it off the table because of that reason.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin, and Michael if you
want to answer also.
Councilmember Evslin: In addition to what Councilmember Chock
said, I would briefly say that the reason it says science-based 2-test plan or a proven
science-based multi-test antigen is to say that this should be something that has data
to back it up. I think it would eliminate the option for a 1-day or 2-day test and will not
leave many people out. As Councilmember Chock said, we wanted to leave it broad in
there. I personally would support a 6-day or 7-day test, but we wanted to leave it broad
for the Mayor to advocate in the best interest.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden, are you comfortable
with that?
Councilmember Cowden: Yes. Did Managing Director Dahilig have
something to add to that? That is who I was asking.
Mr. Dahilig: Councilmember, there is an understanding
that this is a Council resolution. Whatever is the will of the Council should be
effectuated in writing, and not withstanding what the Mayor is saying on the
Administration's end. I want to be clear that we understand that, and that is your right
as the Council to express a policy position that may differ from where the Mayor is at.
With that being said, I want to mention that the 72-hour period that was proposed is
something that is dating back to late-September or early-October. It has always been
looked at as a balance between the health and safety items and the need to have a
reasonable period where people will be able to function in society after being able to see
where the disease is going to come out as a result of the activity between the pre-test
and arriving on island. We are aware that there are other schools of thought when it
comes to four (4) days, five (5) days, or seven (7) days. What is key for the
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Administration and the Mayor's position has been whatever the length of time should
be mandatory, and that the traveler bears the costs. That gives the Council indication
as to where the functional elements of the safeguards are critical for us to ensure a post-
test program. They are the cost element and the mandatory quarantine element.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you.
There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceed as
follows:
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any other questions from the
Members? If not, is there any final discussion from the Members regarding the
amendment?
Councilmember Kuali`i: I would like to say that the amendment is
obviously important. This has been a moving target all along. Keeping up with the
actions taken yesterday is important. I am prepared to support this.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? If not, roll call.
(No registered speakers requested to testify regarding the floor amendment.)
The motion to amend Resolution No. 2020-57 as circulated, and as shown in
the Floor Amendment, which is attached hereto as Attachment 1 was then put,
and carried by the following vote:
FOR AMENDMENT: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST AMENDMENT: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Back to the main motion, as amended. Are
there any further questions on the Resolution? If not, is there any final discussion?
Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. I would
like to say, anything would be better than what is happening right now. I do not
know how to express being as upset as I am for the direction and the exposure that
we have been put into without our say, which is how I feel. For one, having people
speak for us who do not live here, telling us what we should do to protect our citizens,
is upsetting. How do we get to a working space where we are listening to each other
and adjusting accordingly. To some degree, that is my request in this Resolution. I
think that Kaua`i should have a stronger say. As you heard in today's testimony, we
are very unique, and we are in a unique situation. Having Honolulu's leadership
dictate what that is is troublesome to me. You have seen the overwhelming support
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for this Resolution and the direction we need to take. We are all in hardship. In the
last two (2) weeks, I have lost a friend and a classmate, and here we have lost people
on this island. We are feeling it in all ways, whether it is financially, et cetera. It is
a moving target. I ask that what we look for is to work towards more safety, and
practice what is working, and recognize what is not working. We can adjust along
the way, but we need that ability to make those decisions. I am hopeful that the
message is heard. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. Thank
you everyone for the discussion. Thank you, Michael, for being part of today's
discussion. With the mainland cases spiraling out of control, "safe travel" now is an
oxymoron and not possible to achieve with a single pre-test with current incident
levels on the mainland. It feels as if we punctured a few holes on the bottom of our
canoe, and no matter how fast we are trying to bail the canoe or how many safety
precautions we take, we are not going to be able to stay ahead of the surge we are
seeing right now. I strongly feel by opting out and hopefully instituting a
science-based 2-test system, that we are taking a big step towards patching that hole
so that we can work together to get the canoe dry. I would like to add that this is not
just about keeping our island safe. That is a huge component, but it also has a lot to
do with not being able to keep our children in school, to continue to allow them to do
team sports, and to ensure that our businesses and restaurants can continue to
survive. We continuously discuss scenarios where places have lower levels of
economic activity. I feel that our Mayor, Dr. Berreman, and their team have done a
phenomenal job. They are trying to keep us safe. As Councilmember Chock said, it
is frustrating to see how the State comes in heavy-handed, and dictates what we do,
or what we do not do. I support the Mayor in opting out. I want to be clear to anyone
who is watching that this Resolution does not have the force of law, and it is only a
statement of support of the Mayor opting out and getting the 2-test system
implemented. I hope that we can move forward with that. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I would like to say mahalo nui loa to
Councilmembers Chock and Evslin for bringing this Resolution forward. I think our
Council is one hundred percent (100%) unified in how strongly we feel about making
sure we are protecting the public health and safety of our constituents and our
residents. We need to continue to be supportive of the Mayor, Michael, and KEMA.
We thank them for the work that they do day-in and day-out. I am thankful for
Dr. Berreman, for her leadership and courage. We are unified and that is important.
In putting it down in this Resolution is also important to ensure that the Governor
does not miss the fact that we are all unified. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I am supportive of this. I did not mean to
trigger any frustration by asking about the number of days. I would like to give
appreciation and I was able to visit some of the small hotels and motels that are on
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the island. They remain open with ten percent (10%) or twenty percent (20%)
occupancy. Seeing families flying from the other islands, enjoying a few days on
Kaua`i, and creating that social distance from their family. I see a lot of good things
happening for the small hotels, and they are really providing a service to the
residents. I talk to people...everyone is safely distanced in the pool areas. People
come over from Honolulu to get away and take a break. While I wish that we had
two (2) options. Councilmember Evslin, I am respecting what you are saying that it
should not be seven (7) laypeople who decide a number. It needs to be made by people
with the skills to be making the right choices. We have seen great articles written by
different people. Your father has written a few. When I take that deep sigh, I feel
like the science has been out there. It has been with great dismay that I have seen it
being ignored regardless. I have that lack of faith that someone will not say that the
2-test is good. I have been disappointed at the choice that has been made. At times,
people look at an ultimatum, which I think that this is, and say, "Okay, here is the
ultimatum—people can pay for another test after they get here two (2) days later."
That is the reason I brought it up. It seems that there is "science" and "convenient
science," and depending on what side of the argument you are on, is the choice that
you are going to pick. I support it, but I do not want to shut down our abilities for
families to get together and be able to enjoy time at a small hotel for a few days. I
am not biased against our big hotels; I do not think that people come and pay a three
hundred fifty dollar ($350) a night room for the three (3) days...maybe they do. I do
not want to give them a false start. That is why I asked the question.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? For me, I will be
supporting the Resolution. I see the importance of us showing a cohesive front. The
Mayor has done a good job in trying to balance the safety of the residents and our
economic viability. Having more visitors on the island, I saw more businesses
opening, and bringing employees back. The last thing we want to see is a 14-day
quarantine. These businesses will eventually shut down again. It is difficult for them
to open only to shut down. Businesses have insurance premiums that trigger when
they open, and it is not easy to suspend the policy when they need to shut down. I
have all the confidence in the Mayor and working with the State in trying to do what
is best for Kaua`i. Our hands are tied when it comes to what the State can dictate
over us. For the Council and the Mayor, we will do what is best for our island, and I
will be supporting this Resolution. Is there anyone else? If not, roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for adoption of Resolution No. 2020-57 as amended to Resolution
No. 2020-57, Draft 1, was then put, and carried by the following vote:
FOR ADOPTION: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL – 6,
AGAINST ADOPTION: None TOTAL – 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL– 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL– 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Motion passes, as amended. Next, Bills For
First Reading.
BILLS FOR FIRST READING:
Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2814) —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
CHAPTER 5A, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO
REAL PROPERTY TAXES (Residential Investor Assessed Value Reduction)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for passage of Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2814) on
first reading, that it be ordered to print, that a public hearing thereon be
scheduled for December 16, 2020, and referred to the Finance & Economic
Development Committee, seconded by Councilmember Chock.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions? Do you have a
question for the Administration? A quick overview on this Bill. This Bill looks to
reduce the amount for residential investor from an assessed home value of two million
dollars ($2,000,000) to one million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000).
Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: Hi, Reiko. I want to cover briefly what we
discussed. Thank you so much for the time that we spent talking about dropping the
threshold from two million dollars ($2,000,000) to one million three hundred
thousand dollars ($1,300,000). As we discussed, a shack in Hanalei could easily be
one million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000). Is that correct?
REIKO MATSUYAMA, Director of Finance: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: What we also discussed was that a number of
houses that might fall into this category, humble or grand, often have a free tenant
living there taking care of the cats, plants, et cetera, while that homeowner is not
always here. That is the discussion we had. Would you like to share your response
regarding how we do not lose that basic housing...I know a good amount of people
who are in these houses that might be perceived as a non-resident investor house.
Ms. Matsuyama: The intent of this Bill is not to create another
revenue source or generate revenue for the County. It is really to create more housing
and throw the vacant homes into the housing pool for long-term rentals. My comment
to that would be that the best option for those people who have a caretaker living in
a house is to create a lease agreement with that person. That would keep them in
the residential tax class.
Councilmember Cowden: If that lease agreement was a nominal
amount of ten dollars ($10) or one hundred dollars ($100) per year, if it is creating
housing for those people...many of these houses require someone to be there full time.
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At present, those people do not even answer the census as being in the house, because
they are afraid of a problem. This is a situation that could solve both problems, right,
if they can have a lease agreement as a low-paying tenant.
Ms. Matsuyama: They would submit the lease agreement to the
Real Property Tax (RPT) Office by the September 30th deadline, and they would
remain in the residential tax class.
Councilmember Cowden: There are not many properties. If possible, I
would love to see a list. I would most likely make an effort to help them, or we would
get that word out, so that no one is surprised with the heavy tax that they were not
expecting. We want to be sure that we are achieving our goal without a surprise jump
in the tax rate that people are not aware of.
Ms. Matsuyama: There is a lot of leeway for this Bill. We
already passed the September 30th deadline, and the next deadline will not be until
2021. There is a lot of room for communication.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you. The answers that we got in
individual meetings satisfied me to support this Bill.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. Reiko,
thank you for being here and thank you for doing this Bill. As you know, I strongly
support it in principle. As we discussed, I have one (1) or two (2) concerns. One is
the sort of arbitrary nature of the one million three hundred thousand dollars
($1,300,000) and the big jump that would occur or someone who went from one million
nine hundred thousand dollars ($1,900,000) to one million three hundred thousand
dollars ($1,300,000). Suddenly and without them even knowing, their property taxes
will increase by fifty percent (50%) or so. The other concern is that I would think that
a lot of the houses that would be most likely to convert to long-term rentals would be
in the one million dollar ($1,000,000) and under range. By doing the one million three
hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000), we are possibly missing out on potential for
that. Say we go to zero, this would become a true vacant home tax. I know we have
personally talked about this. I would like to hear from you, and if you could explain
the rationale to anyone listening. Is there any openness to reduce that number from
one million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000) to one million
dollars ($1,000,000)?
Ms. Matsuyama: For the threshold that we set at one million
three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000), initially, we thought one million five
hundred thousand dollars ($1,500,000) would be a good, round even number. We see
your point regarding the lower value homes are the ones that are going to get traction,
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and to throw them into the housing pool, which is why we chose to reduce the dollar
amount. When we looked at the numbers, we saw that we could get double the
amount of taxpayers into the one million three hundred thousand dollar ($1,300,000)
to one million five hundred thousand dollar ($1,500,000) range. We would consider
going to a one million dollar ($1,000,000)threshold, which is similar to what Honolulu
has done. Honolulu's residential investor is at one million dollars ($1,000,000). We
would not want to go any lower than that only because of the administrative burden
that would be carried with it would be heavy. You are talking that every second home
would have to submit a lease agreement to RPT by the September 30th deadline. That
is where we are sitting with that.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Reiko. As previously discussed,
Honolulu, Maui, and Hawai`i Island only charge on the amount of assessed value over
one million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000). It would be a tier system.
An example is when you have two (2) neighbors, one at one million nine hundred
ninety thousand dollars ($1,990,000) and one at one million three hundred thousand
dollars ($1,300,000) having a fifty percent (50%) difference in their taxes; there would
be a smoother slope going up as you go above that one million three hundred thousand
dollar ($1,300,000) threshold, and would seem to be fair. I know that we talked about
some of the barriers, and if you could briefly talk about that.
Ms. Matsuyama: I think that you are right, and it would create
more equity. You are talking about neighbors, one being under the threshold and one
being over. Automatically the neighbor that is over the threshold gets hit with the
higher tax rate for the entirety of the property. Our software has limitations and
would require big software modifications. The problem that I would like to share on
the floor is the assessment cap really takes up a lot of the line items. I do not want
to get technical with the software because I do not even know it myself. However, if
we could get rid of the tax cap, it would allow room for those types of modifications
within the software. As it stands now, we were quoted almost five hundred thousand
dollars ($500,000) to modify the software to accommodate a tiered rate system.
Councilmember Evslin: I have a few practical questions. If someone
purchased a home, if they are remodeling a home, and on September 30th, they do not
have someone in there, would there be a mechanism for them to stay at residential?
If they come in and inform you folks that they intend to rent, but they are in the
process of remodeling?
Ms. Matsuyama: Yes. We have accommodations for people who
are in the middle of renovations or getting tenants. This mostly happens in the long-
term affordable lease program when the tenants move, and they are in the middle of
getting another a tenant.
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Councilmember Evslin: When someone moves from one million nine
hundred ninety thousand dollars ($1,990,000) to one million three hundred thousand
dollars ($1,300,000), what is the actual notification process for them? If they do not
even know that the residential investor tax class exists, because they have been
residential, by the time they get their change of use, is it too late for them to come in
with their rent lease agreement? How does that notification process work?
Ms. Matsuyama: That is a good question. We are most likely
going to run into that now with the assessment notices going out on December 1st.
That is when they would see their tax class. I would have to get back to you whether
they could then submit a lease agreement to default to residential, if for some reason
their assessed value jumps over the threshold.
Councilmember Evslin: It would be great if there could be a prenotice
in August to notify people that they are going to be in that category.
Ms. Matsuyama: I believe the window...we do not set values
until after the September 30th deadline. It is hard, and we would have to backtrack
the assessment.
Councilmember Evslin: To some capacity, I think it is vital to give
people a window to submit a lease agreement, especially for those who do not know
that their assessment is going to go up. If someone has a house with an illegal rental,
that person gets taxed with a commercialized home use for the rental if someone is
in the home. If the home is vacant, is it possible for someone to swanita lease
agreement even if that rental is not permitted?
Ms. Matsuyama: We would have to look at the affordable part
of it. Yes, I would say that there is a mechanism. In the RPT world, we do not look
at legality, and we leave that enforcement to other County Departments. You could
submit a lease agreement for something that is not permitted.
Councilmember Evslin: Great. Reiko, thank you so much.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Hi, Reiko. I have a request for a follow-up.
When we met, you provided information regarding the four hundred seven (407)
affected with the one million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000). Can you
provide the same for the one million dollar ($1,000,000) level? That is a question as
a follow-up, thank you.
Ms. Matsuyama: Yes, we have that information available.
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Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions from the
Members? Is there any final discussion? Roll call vote.
There being no further objections, the meeting was called back to order, and
proceeded as follows:
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for passage of Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2814) on first reading, that
it be ordered to print, that a public hearing thereon be scheduled for
December 16, 2020, and that it thereafter be referred to the Finance &
Economic Development Committee was then put, and carried by the following
vote:
FOR PASSAGE: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST PASSAGE: None TOTAL — 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Motion passes.
Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2815) — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE
AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING
BONDS OF THE COUNTY OF KAUAI FOR THE PURPOSE OF REFUNDING
CERTAIN OUTSTANDING GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND NOTES;
FIXING OR AUTHORIZING THE FIXING OF THE FORM, DENOMINATIONS,
AND CERTAIN OTHER DETAILS OF SUCH REFUNDING BONDS AND
PROVIDING FOR THE SALE OF SUCH BONDS TO THE PUBLIC; PROVIDING
FOR THE RETIREMENT OF THE BONDS TO BE REFUNDED; AND
AUTHORIZING THE TAKING OF OTHER ACTIONS RELATING TO THE
ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE REFUNDING BONDS AND THE RETIREMENT
OF THE BONDS TO BE REFUNDED
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for passage of Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2815) on
first reading, that it be ordered to print, that a public hearing thereon be
scheduled for December 16, 2020, and that it thereafter be referred to the
Committee of the Whole, seconded by Councilmember Chock.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members?
Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: This would be for Reiko and possibly
Matthew, our County Attorney. I appreciate the effort of the County working to take
advantage of the good interest rates that are out there and refinancing these general
obligation bonds. Reiko is that the core goal here and do you know what the interest
rate is today or what we are looking at?
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There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
Ms. Matsuyama: Could you repeat the question?
Councilmember Cowden: I will do the framework, so you can answer in
one statement. Being that I know about investing and interest rates, I am concerned
with how long this process will take and going through the weeks that it will be at
Council. I am wondering what the risk is of losing the good interest rates that are
out right now. With everything going on with Inauguration, I wanted to ask you and
Matthew, can we speed this up to be able to take advantage of the good interest rates?
Ms. Matsuyama: Councilmember Cowden, I appreciate your
enthusiasm regarding this Bill. I, too, would like to push this along as quickly as
possible. On our end, we have already started the process for procurement, assuming
Council approval is forthcoming. We are not going to find ourselves in (inaudible)
until we get approval. I want to get the ball rolling on the other side, and we are
doing everything that we can do on our end, administratively, to push the process
along. Regarding the procedures that the County Council needs to go through, I am
not familiar with that. I think that there is a way to schedule a special meeting, but
it may not save that much time. There are also logistical things that need to happen
that might not make it worth it. On the interest rate side, I am not too concerned
with it increasing. I spoke to some of our Financial Advisors. With the appointment
of Janet Yellen, who President-Elect Biden has nominated to run the U.S. Treasury,
the anticipation is that she is going to keep the interest rate low for the foreseeable
future.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I do not know if Matthew has anything
to add. The process for the Council is Bill for First Reading, Public Hearing,
Committee, and back to Bill for Second Reading. The process is approximately a
month.
Ms. Matsuyama: Yes. We would not be able to do the issuance
within that timeframe, and especially with the holidays. I am all for speeding it up
on our end and I will do what I am able to do without contracting anything with the
County being on the hook. I do not want to speak for the Council, but it might be best
for us to let it take its course.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: I would like to add that our process is
approximately a month or so. For the actual Bond Counsel, Reiko is going to have to
present it, they need to get approval, and that process takes four (4) to five (5) months.
Councilmember Cowden: It will take four (4) to five (5) months for
approval? Is it worth it?
Ms. Matsuyama: Yes, it could take that much time. We will try
to speed up the process. Since it is only refinancing, hopefully it will not take that
long and there are no complications in it. It could take that long, which is why
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starting the process and getting the people engaged on our end is the roadblock that
we want to keep going.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. This is a learning process for me. I
think about the points, refinancing, and if it is worth it to spread it out until the
interest rate goes up and neutralizes itself. Thank you for the information.
Ms. Matsuyama: There is a risk to prolonging the situation.
There is a risk that the interest rates will go up. I think that it is a worthwhile risk
for the County to pursue.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any further questions from the
Members? If not, is there any final discussion from the Members? Roll call vote.
There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded
as follows:
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion for passage of Proposed Draft Bill (No. 2815) on first reading, that
it be ordered to print, that a public hearing thereon be scheduled for
December 16, 2020, and that it thereafter be referred to the Committee of the
Whole was then put, and carried by the following vote:
FOR PASSAGE: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL — 6,
AGAINST PASSAGE: None TOTAL — 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes. Motion passes.
BILLS FOR SECOND READING:
Bill No. 2797 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING
REGULATIONS, PROCEDURES, ZONING, DEVELOPMENT PLANS, AND
FUTURE GROWTH AREAS FOR THE HANAPEPE-`ELE`ELE PLANNING
DISTRICT AND THE WAIMEA-KEKAHA PLANNING DISTRICT IN CHAPTER 10,
KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, AND ESTABLISHING
EXCEPTIONS, MODIFICATIONS, AND ADDITIONS TO CHAPTER 8 AND
CHAPTER 9, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, AND AMENDING
ZONING_ MAPS ZM-K100 (KEKAHA), ZM-W100 (WAIMEA), AND ZM-H200
(HANAPEPE) (WEST KAUAI COMMUNITY PLAN) (ZA-2020-07)
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Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2797, on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Chock.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: We received testimony on this item earlier
today. Are there any questions from the Members on this item? Is there any final
discussion? Councilmember Chock.
Councilmember Chock: I would like to say thank you to everyone who
contributed to the Plan. Although we were delayed in our proceedings, I think that
we did good work with the community. I look forward to that continuing as part of
the recommendations and commitment. This comes together through our Staff and I
would like to show appreciation. Jenelle, Aida, Allison...all the work that you folks
do, I would like to thank you. We got one (1) more completed, and I am happy with
that.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: In my first two (2) years of being here, I am
proud of this collection and this Plan. By putting a lot of passive energy in attending
all the meetings, events, and seeing how long it has been since the Westside has
gotten this kind of focus, I think the Plan is going to make a difference for them. I
think it has been a good process. I have been pleased to see Ku Kona A Ola and the
new layer of community members that have engaged and got involved. In speaking
for the entire host of the people in this collection, I am pleased with the Waimea
Plantation Cottages piece. Each collection has done good and is going to help the
Westside stay stronger for being a reflection of the existing and generational
communities. I would like to say good job to our Staff, the Planning Department,
everyone in here, and the community.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Evslin.
Councilmember Evslin: Thank you, Council Chair Kaneshiro. I said
most of what I wanted to say at Committee. Great job to the Planning Department.
They did this in-house and largely without consultants, which ended up producing a
better Plan being that the planners are part of this community. In the long run, it
saved the County a lot of money. The Planning Department, obviously, does a
phenomenal job with community outreach. As I mentioned in Committee, where
there may have been some gaps, they ended up going overboard these last few weeks
to really get community buy in. There are a lot of groundbreaking things that they
teamed up to come up with in-house to solve difficult problems. I think it is a good
Plan, I am excited to see this move forward, and I am excited to see continued
community engagement and buy-in to ensure that this Plan continues to evolve to
the communities' changing needs. I am excited to get this passed.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Councilmember Kuali`i.
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Councilmember Kuali`i: I would like to add my thank you, mahalo nui
loa to Ka`aina, Marie, the Planning Department, our Council Services Staff, and the
community for their participation and mana`o on all of these Bills.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: For me, I would like to say congratulations.
Another plan completed. In my six (6) years that I have been here, we have seen a
lot of plans move. For example, the Lihu`e Town Core Plan, Lihu`e Community Plan,
the South Kaua`i Community Plan, the General Plan, and now the Plan. I would like
to commend the Planning Department for spearheading these plans and getting a lot
of input, finding the community members to be involved on the plan, and getting the
community input into the plan. A lot of the plans have been very successful. There
is obviously more work to be done. There is more work to be done with the
implementation of the Plan. There is the 400-acre County parcel that was not
addressed in the Plan. They are meeting with the community, taking this item
separately, and concentrating on the four hundred (400) acres. There is a lot of work
to be done. I am happy that the community is aware of this and has been involved.
The changes and the delay we had in passing the Plan, it overall improved it by
implementing the amendments that were introduced. Everyone was able to get a
better understanding of what the Plan entailed. Congratulations Councilmember
Chock and everyone who worked on the Plan. It is a lot of work to pass something
like this. Congratulations. Is there anyone else? If not, roll call vote.
The motion to approve Bill No. 2797 on second and final reading, and that it be
transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the
following vote:
FOR APPROVAL: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL — 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes. Motion passes.
Bill No. 2798 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING "KAUAI
KAKOU— KAUAI COUNTY GENERAL PLAN" (2018) LAND USE MAPS AND
OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE WEST KAUAI COMMUNITY PLAN
(ZA-2020-08)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2798, on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions from the Members? Is
there any discussion? Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: I made comments pertaining to the Pakala and
Kaumakani housing. Those are the bricks and mortar of our plantation community.
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Without these housing there, the Westside is in trouble. That is why I continue to plead
with big landowners to please restore and upkeep that housing for our residents.
Without that housing, it would be disasterous for the Westside community. All of our
`ohana, the hardworking laborers that built the Westside, a lot of them are still there
with their family and extended families. We do not want change, we want to keep it
slow, but we cannot do it without maintaining what we already have. I ask that we
please kokua. Thank you.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Is there anyone else? If not, roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve Bill No. 2798 on second and final reading, and that it be
transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the
following vote:
FOR APPROVAL: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes.
Bill No. 2799 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 8,
KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, BY ESTABLISHING A NEW
SPECIAL TREATMENT COASTAL EDGE (ST-CE) DISTRICT AND AMENDING
ZONING MAPS ZM-K100 (KEKAHA), ZM-W100 (WAIMEA), ZM-200, AND
ZM-H200 (HANAPEPE) (ZA-2020-09)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2799, on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions on this item? We
received testimony and took public testimony on this item. If not, is there any final
discussion? Roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve Bill No. 2799 on second and final reading, and that it be
transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the
following vote:
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FOR APPROVAL: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL — 6,
AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL — 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL — 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes.
Bill No. 2800, Draft 1 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
CHAPTER 8, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, BY ESTABLISHING
A NEW PLANTATION CAMP (PC) DISTRICT AND AMENDING ZONING
MAP ZM-200 (ZA-2020-10)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2800, Draft 1, on second and
final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded
by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions on this item? We took
public testimony on this item. If not, is there any final discussion from the Members?
If not, roll call vote.
The motion to approve Bill No. 2800, Draft 1, on second and final reading, and
that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by
the following vote:
FOR APPROVAL: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL — 6,
AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL — 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes. Motion passes.
Bill No. 2801 —A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE TO OVERLAY THE SPECIAL
TREATMENT PUBLIC FACILITIES DISTRICT (ST-P) ON A PORTION OF
ZONING MAP ZM-H200 (HANAPEPE) (ZA-2020-11)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2801, on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or discussion from the
Members? If not, roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
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The motion to approve Bill No. 2801, on second and final reading, and that it be
transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the
following vote:
FOR APPROVAL: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL— 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes. Motion passes.
Bill No. 2802 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ZONING MAP
ZM-200 (ZA-2020-12)
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve Bill No. 2802, on second and final
reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Kaneshiro: Are there any questions or final discussion?
Roll call vote.
(No written testimony was received and no registered speakers requested to
testify regarding this agenda item.)
The motion to approve Bill No. 2802, on second and final reading, and that it be
transmitted to the Mayor for his approval was then put, and carried by the
following vote:
FOR APPROVAL: Chock, Cowden, Evslin,
Kagawa, Kuali`i, Kaneshiro TOTAL — 6,
AGAINST APPROVAL: None TOTAL — 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Brun TOTAL — 1*,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — 0.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes. Motion passes.
ADJOURNMENT.
There being no further business, the Council Meeting adjourned at 2:29 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
St
JAD K. FOUNTAIN-TANIGAWA
County Clerk
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*Beginning with the March 11, 2020 Council Meeting and until further notice,
Councilmember Arthur Brun will not be present due to U.S. v. Arthur Brun et al.,
Cr. No. 20-00024-DKW (United States District Court), and therefore will be noted as
excused (i.e., not present).
Attachment 1
(November 25, 2020)
FLOOR AMENDMENT
Resolution No. 2020-57, Resolution Urging The State Of Hawaii To Adopt A Revised
Safe Reopening Plan For Kauai County Due To The Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
Pandemic
Introduced by: LUKE A. EVSLIN
Amend Resolution No. 2020-57 in its entirety to read as follows:
"WHEREAS, the novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic is threatening the
health and economic well-being of Hawaii in ways unimagined; and
WHEREAS, science-based public health policies and virus-proof
implementation of those policies by government, as well as community adherence to
those policies related to individual and group behavior, provide the safest and
quickest path to controlling the spread of COVID-19, which will assist in economic
revitalization for all; and
WHEREAS, the single pre-test currently used to screen arrivals to Kauai has
allowed undetected infected people onto the island at numbers far exceeding the
State's projections; and
WHEREAS, the single pre-test plan has resulted in a more rapid rise in cases
on Kauai in just the past 30 days than we have had since the pandemic began; and
WHEREAS, the following incoming travelers are entering the State of Hawaii
infected, but not detected under the 1-test plan:
1. Infected travelers who are infected at the time of the test, but whose viral
levels are not yet high enough to register positive on a test;
2. Travelers who get infected between the test and time of boarding the plane;
3. Travelers who become infected on the plane; and
4. Infected travelers who did not take a test, and would be subject to the
quarantine, but intended to break the quarantine; and
WHEREAS, projections published are estimating that 1% of the United States'
population may now be in the pre-infectious stage and it is known that virtually all
of those persons in the pre-infectious stage will be missed by a single pre-test; and
WHEREAS, those additional cases, when added to infections already in the
community, will cause untold harm to the people and economy of Hawaii, potentially
overwhelming the State's already challenged health care resources, especially on the
neighbor islands, and leading to ill health, loss of life, suppression of the non-tourism
economy, disruption of every aspect of life in Hawaii, another shutdown and economic
disaster; and
WHEREAS, opening schools is vital to the economy and the well-being of our
students and parents, it is clear that a surge in cases will force us to close schools
again; and
WHEREAS, the World Health Organization's guidelines for resuming travel
states, that when a departure location "is experiencing a more intense transmission
of SARS-CoV-2 virus than the country of arrival, the risk of adversely affecting the
epidemiological situation in the country of arrival is higher;" and
WHEREAS, the mainland United States has among the world's highest
transmission rates of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the County of Kaua`i has among the
lowest; and
WHEREAS, the World Health Organization's guidelines for resuming travel
urges governments to consider whether the health system is able to cope with a
resurgence of SARS-CoV-2; and
WHEREAS, the County of Kauai has 9 intensive care unit (ICU) beds and 15
ventilators; and
WHEREAS, a 2-test plan with a shortened quarantine will dramatically
reduce infection rates; now, therefore,
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE COUNTY OF KAUA`I,
STATE OF HAWAII, that the Kaua`i County Council strongly and respectfully urges
Governor David Y. Ige and Lieutenant Governor Josh Green to abandon the 1-test
plan as it is unsafe and damaging to Hawai`i's economy.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Kaua`i County Council strongly urges
Governor David Y. Ige to adopt the proposed science-based 2-test polymerase chain
reaction (PCR) plan or a proven science-based multi-test antigen plan and take the
time to develop a comprehensive defense against entry of COVID-19 into the State.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Kaua`i County Council requests and
supports Mayor Derek S.K. Kawakami's advocacy for a 2-test plan, where visitors pay
for the second test at their own expense, with an enforced quarantine before they take
the second test, regardless of what opening strategy the rest of the State employs.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, [that should Governor David Y. Ige deny
Mayor Derek S.K. Kawakami's request for a 2-test plan,] that the County of Kaua`i
supports Mayor Derek S.K. Kawakami in completely opting out of the State's single
pre-test requirement and return to the 14-day quarantine for all arrivals until a
science-based 2-test PCR plan or a proven science-based multi-test antigen plan is
adopted.
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that the County Clerk shall forward a copy of
this Resolution to Governor David Y. Ige, Lieutenant Governor Josh Green, Senate
President Ronald D. Kouchi, House Speaker Scott K. Saiki, Representative Nadine
K. Nakamura, Representative Daynette "Dee" Morikawa, Representative James
Kunane Tokioka, County of Kauai Mayor Derek S.K. Kawakami; City and County of
Honolulu Mayor Kirk Caldwell; County of Maui Mayor Michael Victorino; County of
Hawai`i Mayor Harry Kim; and all Council Chairpersons and Councilmembers in the
State of Hawai`i."
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