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JUNE 26, 2024
The Council Meeting of the Council of the County of Kaua`i was called to order
by Council Chair Mel Rapozo at the Council Chambers, 4396 Rice Street, Suite 201,
Lihu`e, Kauai, on Wednesday, June 26, 2024, at 8:30 a.m., after which the following
Members answered the call of the roll:
Honorable Bernard P. Carvalho, Jr.
Honorable Felicia Cowden
Honorable Bill DeCosta
Honorable Ross Kagawa
Honorable KipuKai Kuali`i
Honorable Mel Rapozo
Excused: Honorable Addison Bulosan
(Note: No one from the public provided oral testimony via the Zoom remote
technology platform on any agenda item.)
APPROVAL OF AGENDA.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the agenda, as circulated,
seconded by Councilmember Carvalho.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion for approval of the agenda, as circulated, was then put, and carried
by a vote of 6:0:1 (Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: The motion is carried. Next item, please.
MINUTES of the following meetings of the Council:
May 29, 2024 Council Meeting
June 12, 2024 Public Hearing re: Bill No. 2921 and Bill No. 2922
June 12, 2024 Council Meeting
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve the Minutes, as circulated, seconded
by Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Is there anyone wishing to testify
or provide testimony?Anyone in the audience?
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There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion to approve the Minutes, as circulated, was then put, and carried
by a vote of 6:0:1 (Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carries. Clerk, our next item, please.
JADE K. FOUNTAIN-TANIGAWA, County Clerk: Chair, for C 2024-119, we
do have an Executive Session.
Council Chair Rapozo: Okay. We will come back to this item after the
Executive Session. Next item, please.
There being no objections, C 2024-124 was taken out of order.
COMMUNICATIONS:
C 2024-124 Communication (06/04/2024) from the Executive on Aging,
requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal funds, in the amount of
$291,839.00, and to indemnify the State Executive Office on Aging, for the provision
of Title III services of the Older Americans Act, which includes supportive services,
congregate meals, home-delivered meals, preventive health programs, and the
National Family Caregiver Support Program, for the Federal Fiscal Year 2024. This
award is through September 30, 2026.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-124, seconded by
Councilmember Carvalho.
Councilmember Cowden: I have a simple question.
Council Chair Rapozo: With that, I will suspend the rules. Kealoha.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
LUDVINA K. TAKAHASHI, Executive on Aging: Good morning. Kealoha
Takahashi, Executive on Aging.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you for all the good work that you do
for our seniors. I know this is a reoccurring grant and thank you for the work that
happens for the home-delivered meals. Is this a greater amount than we received the
last time? I know we had a lot of inflationary pressure, and I am just trying to check
to see if our new federally funded amount is up to what we need or if we have people
on a waitlist?
Ms. Takahashi: As of today, we do not have anyone on the
waitlist, but this is not an increase in federal funds. It has remained the same.
Councilmember Cowden: It has remained flat.
Ms. Takahashi: Yes.
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Councilmember Cowden: Has our cost gone up?
Ms. Takahashi: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: Yes? Okay. Can you send me where that
differential is, because I want to make sure that we are on top of it, because costs
keep going up and it seems like we have more of an increase in this pool of people
than anticipated.
Ms. Takahashi: Yes, thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Are there any further questions for Kealoha?
If not, thank you. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting was called back
to order, and proceeded as follows:
The motion to approve C 2024-124 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
C 2024-125 Communication (06/05/2024) from the Mayor, requesting Council
approval to accept all food, travel, and lodging expenses provided by the Hunt Institute's
Early Learning Nation Policy Fellows for Local Elected Leaders to attend the Early
Childhood Leadership Summit and Fellows Retreat on September 4-6, 2024 in Las
Vegas, Nevada, an invitation-only learning and networking opportunity, designed to
support bipartisan local elected leaders with the drive and potential to establish their
communities as national leaders for children.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-125, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
With that, I will suspend the rules. Mr. Sykos.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended to take public testimony.
LONNIE SYKOS: For the record, Lonnie Sykos. Public
disclosure, my mother is from North Carolina. I spent years of my life living in North
Carolina visiting her and my grandparents. Governor Hunt is an extraordinary man.
Twice, he had multiple terms as governor of the state, and going back to when I was
in either elementary or high school, Governor Hunt took it upon himself politically to
fight with the forces supporting segregation, and so during Governor Hunt's terms,
the educational process in North Carolina turned around. I believe onto today, no
state has seen an improvement in their scores for their students as well as tracking
them into adulthood and looking at the value and their adult life of the education
they received in elementary and high school that North Carolina ended up with the
greatest positive change in student test scores in the history of the United States.
This is an excellent program. I think it is like twenty something years old at this
point. I salute the mayor for being akamai enough to even know that this exists and
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I fully support all of the funding to send whoever it is that we are going to send to
this. This is an extraordinary opportunity for the children of Kaua`i. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Is there anyone else wishing to
testify? Ms. Parker.
ALICE PARKER: Alice Parker, for the record. Anything that
can improve education and help younger children is terrific. I have seen grownups
who supposedly had high school diplomas in Los Angeles (LA), here, and O`ahu who
basically were illiterate; I have worked with some before there was a civil service
examination, they were illiterate. We need to have literate kids and well-managed,
and yes, anything we can do for the "youngesters" is terrific.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Is there anyone else?
There being no further public testimony, the meeting was called back to order,
and proceeded as follows:
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there further discussion? Mr. Sykos, thank
you for the commentary. The expenses are being picked up by the Hunt Institute, so
this is just an acceptance of that grant, if you will.
The motion to approve C 2024-125 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
C 2024-126 Communication(06/06/2024)from the Fire Chief, requesting Council
approval of the indemnification provisions for purchase of APX Next Portable Radios
and related subscription services from Motorola Solutions, Inc.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-126, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
Councilmember Cowden: I have a quick question.
Council Chair Rapozo: Okay, I will suspend the rules. Fire Chief.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
MICHAEL GIBSON, Fire Chief: Thank you. Good morning, Council
Chair. Good morning, Council.
Council Chair Rapozo: Good morning.
Mr. Gibson: Mike Gibson, for the record.
Councilmember Cowden: Is this the same as what we already have or is
it anything new?
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Mr. Gibson: More of the same...
Councilmember Cowden: Okay.
Mr. Gibson: ...but this is the new technology Motorola
radios that do work off of not just radio in the tower, but also WiFi and cellular signal,
and these will be for Ocean Safety.
Councilmember Cowden: When I saw that about the cellular (cell)
signal, it does not do anything...or does it do anything to address some of the concerns
that we already talked about for Ke`e area?
Mr. Gibson: These will rely mostly on antenna for Ke`e.
They still work, they will take the strongest of the three (3) signals: WiFi, cell, or
radio tower. It is not going to fix a problem that is not there, but it will work off the
existing tower.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay, because what was said before is that
people at Ke`e cannot communicate unless they are standing in the right place.
Mr. Gibson: Correct.
Councilmember Cowden: So, they are still going to not be able to
communicate unless they are standing in the right place, or can they bounce off the
cell tower?
Mr. Gibson: These radios are going to trigger mainly off
the antenna. They will pick up the radio antenna. If the cell signal is weaker than
the antenna, it will not even need a cell signal.
Councilmember Cowden: Because it will be able to get the antenna?
Mr. Gibson: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: Is it going to work at the end of the road?
Mr. Gibson: The radio will work, correct.
Councilmember Cowden: The radio will work, okay, because that is
what we were learning last time, we cannot help people if we do not have radios that
work. Do we have radios that work?
Mr. Gibson: We do.
Councilmember Cowden: Now?
Mr. Gibson: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay, thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Are there any further questions for the Chief?
If not, thank you. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify? Mr. Sykos.
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Mr. Sykos: For the record, I probably could have called
the Fire Chief and asked him this question instead of doing it here, but when I was
younger, I had a career in Merchant Marine and on occasion we were requested to
assist in search and rescue operations. One of the inherent problems was, in maritime
we used different radio frequencies than airplanes used, and so it was primarily
through very short-range radios that we were able to talk to the people in the air that
were doing the searching. It was always a problem when you came into port, if there
was a fire you could not talk to the fire department because everyone used different
frequencies; could not talk to the police, because they used different frequencies. My
question for the Fire Department is, do they still have the same issues of different
entities using different frequencies and not being able to easily establish contact? As
I was getting out of that industry there was a switch towards adding more frequencies
to devices, but as an example, if you have people up in the air searching, does the Fire
Department have the capacity to talk to them, and if they do not, what do we need to
do to get them the communications equipment? If they do, then my questions a new
point. Thank you.
Councilmember Cowden: He is nodding his head yes, from the back of
the room.
Council Chair Rapozo: Oh, the Fire Chief is still present. Okay. Is
there any further public testimony? Is there further discussion?
There being no further public testimony, the meeting was called back to order,
and proceeded as follows:
The motion to approve C 2024-126 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
C 2024-127 Communication(06/06/2024)from the Fire Chief, requesting Council
approval to accept a donation from the Okinawa Lifesaving Association in the estimated
amount of $12,500.00, to be used for all travel expenses, airfare, lodging, and
transportation for Ocean Safety Bureau Chief Kalani Vierra to participate in the
Okinawa Lifesaving Association Rescue Watercraft Training on June 15-26, 2024 and
the Ocean Safety Symposium on July 22-29, 2024, in Okinawa, Japan.
Councilmember Cowden moved to approve C 2024-127, seconded by
Councilmember Kuali`i.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony? I
think it is appropriate to offer our condolences to Mr. Perry on O`ahu who lost his life
due to a shark attack on Sunday. It is sad and tragic, but based on all the reports we
are seeing, this person was an amazing waterman and just a good person. Similar to
Chief Kalani Vierra, so I think when you have the Japan, Okinawa Lifesaving
Association requesting his presence at their conference, seminar, or event, and
offering to pay all expenses, that just says a lot about Mr.Vierra and our Ocean Safety
crew. I just wanted to make that comment. Again, this is two (2) grants, if you will,
on the same Council day, I do not think I have ever seen that before, to get our people
to become better leaders. Much mahalo to the...and if we can send a thank-you letter
to the Okinawa Lifesaving Association. Mr. Sykos.
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There being no objections, the rules were suspended to take public testimony.
Mr. Sykos: Once again, for the record, Lonnie Sykos. As
someone with roots in North Carolina, I will express the entire state's deep
appreciation to the State of Hawai`i because the rescue tube concept that was
developed here. I also believe that it was here in Hawai`i that was the first place to
use jet skis. I believe it was the lifeguards in Hawai`i that started the use of jet skis
to save people offshore. This is now being done all over the world. Same thing with
the floats that we put at the beach to save people in distress. Tip of the hat to the Fire
Department and the Water Safety Bureaus through the State and deep appreciation
that we are being acknowledged and it will be illuminating that when Chief Vierra
comes back, we hope that he will come before the Council and give us some
information about the impact we have had on the rest of the world, and what we
possibly will learn from their experiences using what we started. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Is there any further public
testimony? •
There being no further public testimony, the meeting was called back to order,
and proceeded as follows:
Councilmember Cowden: I want to acknowledge that when I read this,
it looks like Chief Vierra is going be one of the trainers, right? He is teaching them.
Council Chair Rapozo: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: So, we are going to attend the children's thing
to learn from them, and in this case, we are going to share our expertise. Both are
really great, I just want to acknowledge him for honoring Hawai`i; showing up there.
It is nice to be a gift to the world and it seems like Japan is kind of our cousin, in a
way. We have such a high connection with each other, so it is really great to have him
there.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Are there any further comments?
The motion to approve C 2024-127 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
C 2024-128 Communication (06/12/2024) from the Chief of Police and Mark T.
Ozaki, Assistant Chief of Police, requesting Council approval to receive and expend
State funds, in the amount of up to $12,000.00, from the State of Hawai`i, Department
of Health, Alcohol and Drug Abuse Division, as reimbursement associated overtime for
the enforcement of Hawai`i Revised Statutes (HRS) Section 712-1258, prohibiting
tobacco sales to minors via Memorandum of Agreement 2025-PB-002 effective
September 1, 2024 through August 31, 2025.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-128, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta.
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Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony? It
feels like Christmas today, honestly, with some more free money from the State.
The motion to approve C 2024-128 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Next item, please.
C 2024-129 Communication (06/13/2024) from the County Engineer, requesting
Council approval of the indemnification provisions contained in Paragraph 13 of
Hawai`i Gas's Terms of Use, which provides the fuel supply for the Waimea Levee Pump
Station's emergency generators that serve as the backup power source in the event of
an electric power outage.
Councilmember Carvalho moved to approve C 2024-129, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: I have a question.
Council Chair Rapozo: I will suspend the rules. Mr. Tanigawa.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
TROY K. TANIGAWA, County Engineer: Good morning, Council Chair and
Members of the County Council. Thank you for considering this item.The Waimea levee
pump station has an emergency power generator capability in case the Kaua`i Island
Utility Cooperative (KIUC) power goes down. These emergency power generators rely
on propane fuel to run and so this agreement before you includes the indemnification
provision that we are asking for Council's approval. When this agreement is executed,
it will allow us to secure reliable sources of fuel for our emergency generators.
Councilmember Kagawa: So, right now it is on electricity with a backup
of propane?
Mr. Tanigawa: Yes.
Councilmember Kagawa: And so you are looking at making it totally
reliant on propane?
Mr. Tanigawa: No. That is just to keep fuel at the site in case
the power goes down when the generators are needed.
Councilmember Kagawa: I guess the overall question is, it took pretty
long to fix the pump station, are those all fixed and working well now?
Mr. Tanigawa: Yes. The project is completed. We just got the
final connections for telephone, so we have emergency connection, in case the water
level rises, there are electronics at that pump station that will detect that and it will
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inform our baseyard folks that the pump station is activated, then they can start their
monitoring activities and response.
Councilmember Kagawa: Now that the pump stations are completed or
were completed since we had the heavy rains recently, did the heavy rains show us how
well it is working or not working?
Mr. Tanigawa: The pump station was not complete. The
connection that I talked about was not completed at that time, so there was a lag in the
pump station operations. There was flooding because the pump stations did not turn on
automatically, and there was not someone there to monitor and correct the problem. It
is my understanding that all of that has been resolved and the pump station should be
fully operational. Today, we have training at the site. Normally, when I have something
for the division, Bryson is present,but he is attending training today. Once that training
is done, our employees should have the information they need to run the pump station
as stated.
Councilmember Kagawa: In the future when we have heavy rain, the
residents in Waimea should see a difference, perhaps, in the flooding in the town?
Mr. Tanigawa: I would expect that the pump station would
function to prevent any future flooding.
Councilmember Kagawa: Alright.
Council Chair Rapozo: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: Where is this pump station located? Is it right
there where the valves and gates are?
Mr. Tanigawa: It is off of Alawai Road. It is right near the
drainage ditch that comes across...
Councilmember Cowden: It is maybe a quarter mile up the road from the
highway?
Mr. Tanigawa: Roughly.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay, and then since a lot of that flooding in
the neighborhood really happens when the tide is high, the river mouth is blocked, it
seems like it floods whether it is raining or not...those valves have helped already,
right? It is pumping from the neighborhood into the river.
Mr. Tanigawa: It is pumping from the drainage ditch that
makes sure it is properly draining in the subdivisions. The reason why it did flood was
because the sluice gates were not operational. They were stuck in the open position.
Councilmember Cowden: Right.
Mr. Tanigawa: Whenever the level in the river rose, it would
back up into the drainage ditch and then eventually into the subdivision. The levee
gates—the gate valves, as well as the sluice gates are all fixed.
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Councilmember Cowden: So, when the river mouth is closed or high tide,
those sluice gates are going to keep the neighborhood from flooding, so if it is that and
it is raining, the pumps are going to pull the rainwater out of the neighborhood.
Mr. Tanigawa: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: Basically, it is the ditch that backs up and then
it comes up through the drainage...what do you call that? That culverts, the opening
in the road, and the cul-de-sac...I watched the water come up when it is not even
raining. But now when it is not raining, it is not happening any longer?
Mr. Tanigawa: There is a constant source of water that feeds
into that drainage ditch. When it is not raining, it is a slow trickle, but when it rains
the entire portion of the watershed drains into that area, so that pump station is
necessary to prevent flooding.
Councilmember Cowden: Have we had a flood yet? Councilmember
Kagawa asked about the last flood, but do we have confidence that it is working?
Mr. Tanigawa: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. It would be fun to go and watch it,
because I know as long as I have been in office, it has been a stress point and that
neighborhood that really was built into too low of altitude, almost below sea level. That
was a loi right there, we built a neighborhood in a wetland.
Mr. Tanigawa: And also maintenance by those residents that
live along that drainage ditch (inaudible) what was needed to prevent flooding. Some of
that has not occurred in the past, so some of the culverts were clogged up with foliage
and debris that caused backing up upstream or that area...
Council Chair Rapozo: I am going to stop you there because we are
going into a completely different...this is about...
Councilmember Cowden: The indemnification.
Council Chair Rapozo: The agreement for propane as a back up source
in an event we lose electricity.
Councilmember Cowden: Alright.
Council Chair Rapozo: That is what this is.
Councilmember Cowden: That was a big issue in that neighborhood, but
yes.
Council Chair Rapozo: It is, but not on this item. Are there any
further questions for Troy? Seeing none, thank you. Is there anyone in the audience
wishing to testify? Is there any discussion?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting was called back to
order, and proceeded as follows:
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The motion to approve C 2024-129 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please
C 2024-130 Communication (06/16/2024) from the Director of Economic
Development, requesting Council approval of the indemnification clause and cost of
litigation provisions included in the State of Hawai`i Department of Agriculture General
Terms and Conditions Sections 7 and 8, administering support for the mitigation of the
spread of the Coconut Rhinoceros Beetle (CRB).Approval to receive and expend funding
in the amount of$200,000.00 was granted at the May 29, 2024 Council Meeting.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-130, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
Are there any questions for the Office of Economic Development (OED)?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion to approve C 2024-130 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
C 2024-131 Communication (06/17/2024) from the County Engineer, requesting
Council approval to apply for, receive, and expend State funds in the amount of
$379,538.40, from the State of Hawai`i Department of Health (DOH), and to indemnify
the State DOH for the Fiscal Year 2025 grant cycle, for the HI-5 Deposit Beverage
Container program to be used to fund two (2) HI-5 Recycling Specialist positions and
support mobile redemption center operations in Kekaha and Koloa.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-131, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: Councilmember Kagawa has a question.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
Mr. Tanigawa: Troy Tanigawa, for the record.
Councilmember Kagawa: I love the HI-5 program; I love people who
participate in it. I am pretty shocked to see sometimes how many bottles these collectors
go into that place, it is unreal how innovative they are to get everything into a pickup
truck. Where did we get this idea that we should hire two (2) recycling specialist
positions with this money to support mobile redemption center operations in Kekeha
and Koloa? How does that ensure that is the best use of the moneys? The other way is
maybe we could use those moneys to expand operation, because when we are adding
position and position, the Solid Waste Division has been a big money grab for the
County for many years and money loss for many years. I want to be a little bit more
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accountable, now that we are adding positions to a department that has historically
been a big money hole for us.
Mr. Tanigawa: I can talk about it in general, and Keola is here
and he can provide more details. Basically, the County has a scope of work and
responsibilities to support the beverage container program. There are inspections that
need to be done. There are requirements and criteria that these recyclers have to follow
and so one of the tasks that these recycling specialist do is they do inspections and they
verify what is being done, if things are being done properly, if there are any complaints
or issues that come up, they work with the recycler to help resolve them.
Councilmember Kagawa: Who was doing this job before?
KEOLA AM, Solid Waste Program Development Coordinator: Keola Aki,
Solid Waste Program Coordinator, for the record. This grant has been ongoing for close
to twenty (20) years. If not, longer, since we have had that position. It is a long...we
have these positions for a very long time. I started in that position ten (10) years ago.
It is just ongoing.
Councilmember Kagawa: So, it is a recurring position that has been
there?
Mr. Aki: Yes.
Councilmember Kagawa: We had two (2) for a long time?
Mr. Aki: A very long time.
Councilmember Kagawa: And the two (2) have always been filled?
Mr. Aki: For the most part,yes. People leave and people
come, but we have always filled those positions.
Councilmember Kagawa: Are we adding bodies?
Mr. Aki: No.
Councilmember Kagawa: Alright, thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Are there any further questions? If not, thank
you. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting was called back to
order, and proceeded as follows:
The motion to approve C 2024-131 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
C 2024-132 Communication (06/17/2024) from the Deputy Director of
Planning, requesting Council approval to receive and expend Federal/State funds for
the Hawai`i Coastal Zone Management (CZM) Program in an amount up to
$375,345.00, and to indemnify the State of Hawai`i in accordance with the State of
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Hawai`i General Conditions (AG-008 103D) for administering the program. This
reoccurring pass-through grant will be utilized to continue the implementation of the
CZM Program on Kaua`i commencing July 1, 2024 to June 30, 2025 and will be
expended on salaries/wages, travel, equipment, and supplies for the CZM Program,
specifically for the implementation and enforcement of the Special Management Area
Rules and Regulations of the County of Kaua`i and Shoreline Setback provisions of
Chapter 8, Kaua`i County Code 1987, as amended.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-132, seconded by
Councilmember Carvalho.
Council Chair Rapozo: Again, this is like the HI-5 grant, pretty much,
it funds our CZM office. Are there any further questions for the Planning Department?
Councilmember Cowden: I want to confirm that this is a position that is
already filled and with a regular staff position.
Council Chair Rapozo: There are four (4) positions that...
Councilmember Cowden: Four (4) positions.
Council Chair Rapozo: Do you want to come up?
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
JODI A. HIGUCHI SAYEGUSA, Deputy Director of Planning: Jodi Higuchi
Sayegusa, with the Planning Department.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you for volunteering.
Ms. Higuchi Sayegusa: Yes, it is for the four (4) positions. Two (2) are
filled and we are currently interviewing and have conducted interviews for the CZM
Planner, the CZM Account Clerk is vacant, but we are actively recruiting.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. People have a problem, someone is
cutting the trees, and it is falling into where it should not be, these are the
enforcement...this is who handles the complaint? Can I ask how that interfaces with
the Office of Conservation and Coastal Lands (OCCL) at the state-level, because it is
really confusing on who to send people to when they are complaining about shoreline?
Ms. Higuchi Sayegusa: These moneys will go to the entire program, the
CZM program and we regularly interface with the State, it is administered by the State.
We attend statewide meetings, the Ocean Resource Management program meetings
and that encompasses OCCL, in addition to other aquatic departments, federal, and
there is a lot of coordination. This program funds everything from the permitting
through enforcement...
Councilmember Cowden: Do we have someone that goes down and looks?
Ms. Higuchi Sayegusa: Yes.
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Councilmember Cowden: And they crossover for other positions in the
Planning Department? Is it the same enforcement person?
Ms. Higuchi Sayegusa: Yes, these people are primarily responsible for
administering the CZM program, the Special Management Area (SMA), shoreline
setback, but of course they are multifaceted, and they support the regulatory program
in general and help with the enforcement, and so their duties also do regular functions
of the department.
Councilmember Cowden: This money pays a partial amount of their
salary?
Ms. Higuchi Sayegusa: It pays for their full salary. These staff also
support other operations of the department.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Are there further questions?
Thank you very much. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify? Is there
further discussion?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting was called back to
order, and proceeded as follows:
The motion to approve C 2024-132 was then put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1
(Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
CLAIMS:
C 2024-133 Communication (06/04/2024) from the County Clerk,
transmitting a claim filed against the County of Kaua`i by MNS, LTD., dba Sueoka
Store, for property damage, pursuant to Section 23.06, Charter of the County of
Kaua`i.
C 2024-134 Communication (06/07/2024) from the County Clerk,
transmitting a claim filed against the County of Kaua`i by Ira McRoberts, for vehicle
damages, pursuant to Section 23.06, Charter of the County of Kaua`i.
C 2024-135 Communication (06/17/2024) from the County Clerk,
transmitting a claim filed against the County of Kaua`i by Todd G. Raybuck, for
reimbursement of attorney fees, pursuant to Section 23.06, Charter of the County of
Kauai.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to refer C 2024-133, C 2024-134, and
C 2024-135 to the Office of the County Attorney for disposition and/or report
back to the Council, seconded by Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
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There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion to refer C 2024-133, C 2024-134, and C 2024-135 to the Office of
the County Attorney for disposition and/or report back to the Council was then
put, and carried by a vote of 6:0:1 (Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item, please.
COMMITTEE REPORTS:
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE:
A report (No. CR-COW 2024-13) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Received for the Record:
"COW 2024-06 — Communication (05/02/2024) from Councilmember
DeCosta, requesting the presence of Beth Amaro, Member Services and
Communications Manager, Kaua`i Island Utility Cooperative, to provide a
briefing relating to fire mitigation,"
A report (No. CR-COW 2024-14) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Received for the Record:
"COW 2024-07 — Communication (06/06/2024) from Councilmember
Kagawa, requesting the presence of the Director of Economic Development, the
Director of Parks & Recreation, the State of Hawai`i Department of
Agriculture, and the Kaua`i Invasive Species Committee to provide a briefing
to discuss the effort to curb the spread of invasive species such as Little Fire
Ant, Coconut Rhinoceros Beetle, and Rose Ringed Parakeet, also the damage
they cause on food production,"
A report (No. CR-COW 2024-15) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Received for the Record:
"Bill No. 2912 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW
ARTICLE TO CHAPTER 6, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED,
RELATING TO GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO FINANCE,"
A report (No. CR-COW 2024-16) submitted by the Committee of the Whole,
recommending that the following be Approved on second and final reading:
"Bill No. 2921 — AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AMENDING
ORDINANCE NO. B-2023-891, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE
OPERATING BUDGET OF THE COUNTY OF KAUAI, STATE OF HAWAII,
FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2023 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2024, FOR THE
PURPOSES OF FUNDING EMERGENCY EXPENDITURES CAUSED BY
HEAVY RAINS AND SEVERE FLOODING WHICH STARTED ON
APRIL 11, 2024, BY REVISING THE AMOUNTS ESTIMATED IN THE
GENERAL FUND,"
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Councilmember Kuali`i moved for approval of the reports, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
Councilmember Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: I want to say that the Committee Report on
the Invasive Species is very interesting, so I hope that perhaps we can have all
members here on a future update in the near future. It is such a big problem that we
just have to stay on it. If we do not stay on it, we do not ensure that they are going to
keep on it as hard as we want them to.
Council Chair Rapozo: Mr. Sykos.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
Mr. Sykos: For the record, Lonnie Sykos. Going back to
the...let me think about this...early 1990s when I was in the tropical flower business.
In the early `90s, the State Department of Agriculture was identifying between three
(3) and four (4) new species of invasive insects that were causing significant harm to
various parts of the agriculture industry in Hawai`i. For instance, in the fifteen (15)
years that I was involved with tropical flowers, I think I watched five (5) new species
of things that looked like grasshoppers, they call them "leaf rollers," they are all
cousins to each other. It is like every year was a new grasshopper eating something
on the farm. Now, the mainstay, back in the day was the red and pink ginger. There
was a virus introduced to Hawai`i and basically the ginger industry is being destroyed
or has been destroyed. Although the parakeet and these things are very significant
threats, but they are just the tip of the iceberg. I do not know how you can make
money farming. Do you want to just raise regular field crops? You have more insects
to fight than anywhere else in the world. Farmers in Hawai`i have the biggest
problem with invasive insects because our climate never kills them off. We do not
have a winter to slow them down, so they just come in. The state needs to put about
ten times the amount of money they currently do into the Agriculture Department
specifically the problem of importation of pests and the state basically shut down the
office that used to help us with export. Those are two (2) critical problems that the
County can address partly through our legislators is if we are serious about
increasing exports, and that is the only thing that is going to affect shipping prices
because shipping is not expensive because of federal law, it is expensive because every
container that comes to Kaua`i leaves empty. We, the consumers, pay to ship empty
containers back to where they came from. That is why shipping is so expensive. Do
you want to get rid of the PUC and have a foreign carrier bring in all of our freight?
Council Chair Rapozo: Hang on.
Mr. Sykos: So...
Council Chair Rapozo: Hang on...the testimony on committee
reports is testimony pertaining to the report.
Mr. Sykos: Understood.
Council Chair Rapozo: Not to have the discussion all over again.
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Mr. Sykos: Okay, so, I just want to thank them for their
focus on this and that this issue is bigger than just the items mentioned.
Council Chair Rapozo: Point well-taken. I just want to make sure
that on the agenda, if you have a comment on the committee report, it is about the
committee report itself and not the topic.
BRUCE HART: For the record, Bruce Hart. I just want to
mention that in general I agree with everyone. This is a serious problem. It has been
going on for a long time, just like what Mr. Sykos said. But I want to mention that I
do not believe that insecticides are the solution. One of the methods that is proposed
to control the rhinoceros beetle is to inject chemicals into the trees. That is costly and
it is dangerous. Chemicals are serious. Even the insecticides that they use by air from
drones are serious. I am not for doing what California did under Governor Brown one
time and just wholesale spraying malathion across the entire area—houses, people,
dogs, and cats on everything. I am not for that. My thought is that we need research
to trap them, even the rhinoceros beetle, I do not see any other way to control that,
but to lure it somehow into a trap. That is just my idea. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: You folks can consider today a gift, because I
allowed you to testify on the topic and not the actual minutes, but going forward,
when we get to Committee Reports, you come up and cite the specific report and the
issue in the report that you have an issue with. Is there anyone else wishing to testify
on the Committee Reports?
There being no further public testimony, the meeting was called back to order,
and proceeded as follows:
The motion for approval of the reports was then put, and carried by a vote of
6:0:1 (Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried. Next item.
BILLS FOR SECOND READING:
Bill No. 2914, Draft 2 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
CHAPTER 7A, ARTICLE 9, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED,
RELATING TO GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING
Councilmember Kuali`i moved for adoption of Bill No. 2914, Draft 2 on second
and final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor for his approval,
seconded by Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion? Councilmember
Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I have an amendment, we need a couple
minutes to prepare.
Council Chair Rapozo: Okay. While we wait for the amendment, can
we move to Bill No. 2912?
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Bill No. 2912 — A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW ARTICLE
TO CHAPTER 6, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO
GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO FINANCE
Councilmember Kuali`i moved receive Bill No. 2912 for the record, seconded by
Councilmember Carvalho.
Council Chair Rapozo: The motion is the receive as recommended by
the Committee of the Whole. Is there anyone on the audience wishing to testify? If
not, is there discussion?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion to receive Bill No. 2912 for the record was then put, and carried by
the following vote:
FOR RECEIPT: Carvahlo, Cowden, DeCosta, Kagawa,
Kuali`i, Rapozo TOTAL — 6,
AGAINST RECEIPT: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Bulosan TOTAL— 1,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — O.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes and one (1) excused.
Bill No. 2921 — AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE
NO. B-2023-891, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE OPERATING BUDGET OF
THE COUNTY OF KAUAI, STATE OF HAWAII, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
JULY 1, 2023 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2024, FOR THE PURPOSES OF FUNDING
EMERGENCY EXPENDITURES CAUSED BY HEAVY RAINS AND SEVERE
FLOODING WHICH STARTED ON APRIL 11, 2024, BY REVISING THE
AMOUNTS ESTIMATED IN THE GENERAL FUND
Councilmember Kuali`i moved receive Bill No. 2921 for the record, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta.
Council Chair Rapozo: There was a technical issue with the Bill, it is
going to be resubmitted, so the Administration has requested that it be received at
this time. We will be taken this up when it gets resubmitted. Is there anyone in the
audience wishing to testify? Is there further discussion?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion to receive Bill No. 2921 for the record was then put, and carried by
the following vote:
FOR RECEIPT: Carvahlo, Cowden, DeCosta, Kagawa,
Kuali`i, Rapozo TOTAL— 6,
AGAINST RECEIPT: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Bulosan TOTAL— 1,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— O.
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Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Six (6) ayes and one (1) excused.
Council Chair Rapozo: With that, let us take our caption break.
There being no objections, the Council recessed at 9:14 a.m.
The meeting reconvened at 9:24 a.m., and proceeded as follows:
Council Chair Rapozo: We are at Bill No. 2914, Draft 2.
Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: This is our Bill to establish residential
workforce housing credits and working with the Housing Agency and Housing
Director, we worked on this in Committee for quite a bit. I have one (1) quick
amendment dealing with one of the concerns we heard from Hawai`i Island. Their
system is a little bit different from ours, but their tax credits are just piling up, if you
will, and not being utilized, and so their housing agency has to track and monitor all
these credits indefinitely, because there is no end to the life of these credits. This
amendment is basically to give an expiration to the life of the credits.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to amend Bill No. 2914, Draft 2 as circulated,
and as shown in the Floor Amendment which is attached hereto as
Attachment 1, seconded by Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Kuali`i: This amendment adds item "g" to
Section 7A-9.4.1, which states, "Any credits issued under this section shall expire
twenty (20) years from the date of issuance."
Council Chair Rapozo: Okay, so we are on the amendment. Is there
any discussion before I open it up to the public? Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: Twenty (20)years seems like a long time. Why
that long? I would have cut it in half.
Councilmember Kuali`i: The Housing Director can come up and help
me respond. Potentially, it could be cut in half. Often as we see how projects occur
and develop, it often takes quite a bit of time, but I am totally open to making a lesser
period.
Council Chair Rapozo: I will suspend the rules. Adam?
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
ADAM P. ROVERSI, Housing Director: Aloha, Chair. Adam Roversi,
Housing Director for the County. That language that Councilmember Kuali`i read
was proposed by the Housing Agency, suggested twenty (20) years thinking back to
the Lima Ola project, as an example, which from property acquisition to actual
groundbreaking took eleven (11) years. Just the simple process of environmental
review, cultural assessment, financing, rezoning, redistricting, etcetera. Even with
the County, who was using all best intentions to develop a project, can unfortunately
take a lot longer than any of us would like.
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Councilmember Cowden: Can I make a comment on Lima Ola? That
came up in the General Plan, the 1990s. In my view, it took thirty (30) years. It has
been way too long. Thank you for your work, but from inception to turnkey or
application, it has been thirty (30) years. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Are there any further questions for Adam on
the amendment? You might as well stay up there, unless there is anyone in the
audience wishing to testify? Seeing none. Is there discussion?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting was called back
to order, and proceeded as follows:
The motion to amend Bill No. 2914, Draft 2 as circulated, and as shown in the
Floor Amendment which is attached hereto as Attachment 1 was then put, and
carried by the following vote:
FOR AMENDMENT: Carvalho, Cowden, Kuali`i, Rapozo TOTAL— 4,
AGAINST AMENDMENT: DeCosta, Kagawa TOTAL— 2,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Bulosan TOTAL— 1,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— O.
Council Chair Rapozo: I will support the amendment, aye.
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: The amendment passes.
Council Chair Rapozo: We are back to the main motion. Let me just
say, I call this the "JoAnn A. Yukimura strategy"—you vote for the amendment to
make it a better bill than it is, but you may not necessarily support the bill. I will just
say that I am having a big problem with credits. I was watching the news last night
and they are talking about the transient vacation rentals (TVR) debate on taking
away TVRs and there were a lot of testimony at the Planning Commission about the
financial impacts to the community. Mayor Bissen came out very clear saying, "the
need for housing is now, not twenty (20) years, not ten (10) years, it is now." I believe
that if a developer is going to come here to develop, that they should build their units
or pay an in-lieu fee that would allow the County to put up structures. Hawai`i Island
and Maui County both informed me that it has created some issues for them. One
that Adam mentioned earlier was the perpetual credits that will be perpetual, and
two thousand one hundred (1,200) units or so that should have been built and it was
not. That is where I am at on this Bill.
Councilmember Cowden: Can I ask you a question about what you are
saying?
Council Chair Rapozo: Yes.
Councilmember Cowden: When Maui made their property tax so high,
that it forces these vacation rentals to sell, because that seems like it is predatory
taxation, forcing them to sell. Does their tax cross over to the new purchase?
Council Chair Rapozo: I do not want to discuss the TVR taxes. The
reason I used that example is the mayor's comment was that "we need housing now."
Not to debate the merits of the TVR issue, his comment is why I brought it up is
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because he said we need housing now, and that is where I am at with this issue. We
need the housing now.
Councilmember Cowden: I have a question for Mr. Roversi.
Council Chair Rapozo: Go ahead.
Councilmember Cowden: Can you speak to that?There is a challenge of
all these credits and in fact, the in-lieu fee because too me when people pay an in-lieu
fee, that does not mean that is going to be built either. Can you speak of both of those
opportunities, both the sale of the credit and the in-lieu fee?
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
Mr. Roversi: The idea behind this credit system is to do
exactly what Chair is suggested, to have...the hope or intention of having credits is
exactly that, to get housing units built now by nonprofit or for-profit developers who
are incentivized today by the option of receiving credits to build more housing than
they otherwise would, today. The backend transfer and use of these credits with other
projects is a little bit separate. Right now if a developer is going to build units, they
can receive credits that would provide a financial incentive to build more right now
than they otherwise would, helping them to finance their project. Five (5) years from
now, ABC Corporation who has a housing obligation has an opportunity to purchase
some of those credits, but they still have to build at least fifty percent (50%) of their
housing obligation and/or pay in-lieu fees to the County, which we utilize to develop
housing.
Councilmember Cowden: If we look at a project like Kolopua or Koa`e
Makana, it seems like those were built long after the requirement was in place. Is
that accurate? Kolopua is Princeville, right, it was like decades late.
Mr. Roversi: The Kolopua apartments, to my
understanding, was long before my time as director, where it was a housing
requirement for the expansion of the commercial center where Foodland was located
in Princeville. Commercial expansion still has not happened yet, but it is pending.
It was a condition of the zoning and subdivision of the neighboring land to allow for
the expansion of the commercial center. Princeville has had other projects, the
subdivision in Kilauea, for example, which should have been built far before it was
based on the requirements. A lot of those old projects like that subdivision predate
housing policy, so that project, a lot of the housing requirements imposed on
Kukui`ula, for example, and the Marriott in Lihu`e, those were all sort of ad hoc
requirements imposed on those projects before the housing policy existed. We cannot
look at today's housing policy and those projects as examples of how our current
system operates because those were...the impositions of housing requirements on
those projects were all in different moments in time and were not guided by our
current law.
Councilmember Cowden: In our current law, if someone wants to build
something, how quickly do they have to build their affordable housing?
Mr. Roversi: At the same time or prior to building any
market rate housing. An example...this is not the best example, but Coco Palms, for
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example, has a workforce housing obligation. The workforce housing units have to be
built and occupied before they get a certificate of occupancy for their hotel. They
cannot open the hotel until those workforce units are provided. That is how the
housing policy works for all new projects moving forward.
Councilmember Cowden: Since that is a good point, do they have a place
or land located for that?
Mr. Roversi: I do not know the details of how Coco Palms
intend to satisfy their workforce requirements. I know they are still working through
it, but they will not get their certificate of occupancy until...
Council Chair Rapozo: Yes, but, Adam...
Mr. Roversi: We are getting sidetracked a little bit.
Council Chair Rapozo: Let us just say a nonprofit developer, and I
will just say Kaua`i Habitat for Humanity because they are the biggest one here, they
could in essence on their next project acquire credits.
Mr. Roversi: Correct.
Council Chair Rapozo: Coco Palms could purchase those credits.
Mr. Roversi: Correct.
Council Chair Rapozo: And the housing would all be in Habitat's
project and no housing in Wailua?
Mr. Roversi: The geographic restrictions in the housing
policy still apply. Therefore, if Habitat builds a project in Waimea, credits are issued
for that Waimea project, those credits are applicable to projects in that geographical
area that is described in that housing policy. It is within five (5) miles or the same
tax map zone. They cannot use those credits for a project in Princeville or in Wailua,
so the geographical restrictions that are in today's housing policy still apply for the
utility of these credits.
Council Chair Rapozo: That would really restrict the potential
purchasers of these credits.
Mr. Roversi: Potentially, if you were talking about...if for
example, Habitat were to build a project in Waimea and there is no commercial
for-profit project in Waimea in the next twenty (20) years, those credits would
effectively do nothing for the benefit of Habitat.
Councilmember Kuali`i: And they can only sell it at fifty percent (50%).
Mr. Roversi: The credits...
Councilmember Kuali`i: They can only buy it...for fifty percent (50%)
of his requirement.
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Mr. Roversi: Correct. They would still have to satisfy either
by developing units or paying in-lieu fees to the County for fifty percent (50%) of their
requirement, the remaining fifty percent (50%)could be utilized through the purchase
of the credits from the prior developer, who had built more affordable housing than
they otherwise would have.
Council Chair Rapozo: Eighty percent (80%) and below median, they
would be able to use all of it, right?
Mr. Roversi: The distinction between eighty percent (80%)
and below and one hundred twenty percent (120%) and below comes into play with
the issuance of credits on day one to the developer. Using Habitat as an example, if
their entire project where units at eighty percent (80%) or below, they would get...
Council Chair Rapozo: One hundred percent (100%) of the excess.
Mr. Roversi: It is credits for all of the year. If another
developer was building what we still call affordable or workforce units that were one
hundred twenty percent (120%) and below, they would not get one hundred
percent (100%) of the credits.
Council Chair Rapozo: Right, got it.
Mr. Roversi: They would get a lower percentage. The goal
of that is to incentivize more lower-income units, which are more expensive to build,
require significantly greater subsidy to finance.
Council Chair Rapozo: Are there any further questions for Adam? Go
ahead.
Councilmember Carvalho: Clarification on the geographical area that
you mentioned. The geographical area ties into the bigger picture, correct?
Mr. Roversi: Yes. The housing policy right now requires
any project that has a workforce housing requirement imposed on it to, again, without
even talking about credits, the current housing policy, if a developer is building right
there in Lihu`e, they have four (4) options. They will have to provide some workforce
housing units. They can build for-sale units at certain income levels, they can build
for-rent units at certain income levels, they can write a check to the County based on
the in-lieu fee that would be required for that project, or with Council's approval, and
that is important, they can donate a parcel of land. The Council would have to approve
that the land was of equal value to the other options that we receive, so it would be
up to the Council to accept or deny the land option. If they were building units for-
sale or for-rent, they would have to be built within five (5) miles of the project or...I
think there are two (2) options, it is the TMK zone or five (5) miles of the project,
unless there is an option that they can request a geographic waiver, but there has to
be good reasons. An example of that waiver might be, and I do not know the exact...
Council Chair Rapozo: I can give you an example, Kaua`i Lagoons
when they did the downzoning and the housing requirement, they had to go beyond
the five (5) miles to Waipouli or Wailua the Courtyards.
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Mr. Roversi: Right.
Council Chair Rapozo: That is the one that I remember.
Mr. Roversi: Something that we have had...there has not
been a project like this but we thought of a few that...I do not know exactly where the
five-mile barrier is, but let us say there is one on the far outskirts of Puhi and we are
just over five (5) miles away from the Lihu`e Town Core and they proposed to build
housing in Lihu`e, because the General Plan says Lihu`e is where we really need
housing and that is where the infrastructure is, and that is where the jobs are, it
might be reasonable to grant that waiver to allow the housing in Lihu`e, even though
it is technically more than five (5) miles, because there are so many other reasons to
have and desire housing in Lihu`e as a matter of policy. That would be a bridge to
cross if it was proposed by a developer.
Council Chair Rapozo: But that is in place with or without this
amendment.
Mr. Roversi: Yes.
Council Chair Rapozo: And that is just how it is.
Mr. Roversi: Yes.
Council Chair Rapozo: This Bill does not change...
Mr. Roversi: No. I was just trying to make the point that
you can build housing...
Council Chair Rapozo: Yes, I am glad you brought that up in full
transparency, because the reality is in some cases there may be no available lands
within that five-mile radius, in certain places of this island that obviously you cannot
create land, you have to go outside of the five-mile radius.
Councilmember Kuali`i: We worked on this a lot in Committee with
several amendments, some of the ones you have been talking about now. We have
made this credit system as best as we can and would you say that the way we have it
set up, we potentially would not meet the same problems that Hawai`i Island and
Maui have experienced? I do not know how much you know about their programs, but
our system is pretty different from Hawai`i Island, for sure.
Mr. Roversi: As laid out in the draft before you, our system
has far more restrictions and controls than on Hawai`i Island. Hawai`i Island were
required to issue credits to every project, tax credit projects, projects that had other
subsidies. The system on Maui is much more similar, but we even have more
restrictions on Maui, but Maui was more restrictive than Hawai`i Island and less
liberal and just handing out buckets of credits. I think the housing director on Maui
will not tell you that this has solved all of their problems, but I think they will say
that it has been helpful on the margins to developing affordable housing. It is not a
silver bullet, it is not going to be all rainbows and unicorns because we have
affordable housing credits, but it is just one more small tool in our basket of options.
We are trying to do experimental things to make a difference when we amended our
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housing policy back in 2019 under the prior Council, an example of that is we
established some limited exemption areas to try to boost higher-density development
in town cores where there was some infrastructure—Lihu`e, K5loa, and Kalaheo. We
established defined exemption areas where if a developer built to the maximum
density allowed on their lot, they would not have to meet a workforce housing
requirement. The idea being thinking about Lihu`e Town Core, if you built
twenty (20) units per acre on an R-20 lot, those units, because of their small size and
their high density would presumably, in an area where you cannot have a TVR unit,
they would presumably be relatively affordable. That was an attempt to sort of free
the free market with less regulation in the hope that we would spur some
development. We did that knowing that it was an experiment. We put a sunset date
on it, it is going to expire in ten (10) years. The Council would have to come back and
look at this and say, "If it is working," if, "yes," then let us renew it for another ten
(10) years. If it is not working, we will cancel it, we tried something and did our best
to get more affordable housing, let us see if it works. I view these credits as a similar
experiment. I do not know if it is going to generate a lot of housing. I think it has
helped on the margins in Maui. I do not think there is a lot of downside risk to trying
it. We can look at it ten (10) years from now and make it go away if it is a failure and
we do not like it. That exemption experiment for example, I would like to say that
there is five hundred (500) new units because we created that exemption, but I can
only point to one (1) success story. The Koloa Village residential project was originally
slated for less than thirty (30) units and now they are building more than sixty (60),
and they are doing that because of this exemption. Because there are more units and
they are a little smaller, they are going to be a little bit more affordable., I think that
is a win and proof that in that limited situation that worked. I hope that in the 10-
year window that we are trying to experiment on, we see more projects that take
advantage of that, providing more housing sooner.
Councilmember Kuali`i: It did not help that we had COVID either.
Mr. Roversi: No, that delayed things. If I could, the
Committee Chair mentioned in the last meeting State Legislation that was pending
Governor's signature, HB 2214. I do not know if it has been signed yet, but I know it
is not on his veto list. That legislation, assuming it becomes law, and it looks like it
will, is going to force us to issue affordable housing credits to State 201H affordable
housing projects. We will have to issue credits in some fashion whether we like it or
not, we already have to do it in the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL)
and the State is going to force us to do it to their projects. My sense is that having an
established credit system that we can point to when the State comes to us for credits
would be helpful and that it sets guidelines. The State Legislation allows us to
negotiate a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the State as to how credits
will be issued for these State projects. I think that if we have existing County
legislation setting out that system, it gives us a leg to stand on and something to point
to when the State comes to us demanding that we follow up on this new legislation.
Council Chair Rapozo: Go ahead.
Councilmember Cowden: How many builders do we have that typically
build in excess? We have Habitat and the newly-formed Permanent Affordable
Living, do we have many contributors that we think we would be able to utilize this
with?
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Mr. Roversi: I have met with several builders who talk a
good talk, but we have not seen...other than Habitat and Permanent Affordable
Living, we have not seen any projects break ground, looking to build more units than
otherwise required, but we have had discussions with some builders pledging to do
that. I do not want to promise and put their names out there until something is in
writing.
Councilmember Cowden: It might be that, kind of like what we did here
along Rice Street, it may or may not manifest. This is just an effort.
Mr. Roversi: I think that is accurate.
Councilmember Cowden: Yes.
Council Chair Rapozo: Are there further questions for Adam? If not,
thank you. Is there any discussion?
The meeting was called back to order, and proceeded as follows:
Councilmember Kagawa: I am feeling that perhaps the better chance to
get the full vote is to wait for Councilmember Bulosan, if we end up with a tie, I guess
it automatically goes to the next Council Meeting. I have been against this Bill ever
since we looked into the problems with Hawai`i Island. I have not heard of anyone
besides Habitat, which only focuses on eighty percent (80%) and below. They do a
great job by Habitat, there is no one else that does it like them with the production
that comes out, but I think if you are really in touch with reality of Kaua`i, there are
people, good hard-working families that are one hundred sixty percent (160%) and
below that need housing. We have a serious supply and demand problem. I keep
reiterating that repeatedly. You are not going to tackle the problem just focusing on
the good things that Habitat does and other people do that focus on aid and building.
We are going to be throwing all our eggs and only helping one (1) specific group. We
need an abundant supply of market-priced homes that will bring the price down. How
do we help that? We need to look at developers or large landowners who put in
infrastructure and that way we can have the developers come in and do homes like
D.R. Horton did in Hanama`ulu. People complain when they saw the advertisement
for eight hundred thousand dollars ($800,000) to nine hundred thousand
dollars ($900,000), but who ended up living there now? Local families. Take a drive
around that subdivision. We need more of that. When you push affordable, push
affordable through Kaua`i Housing Agency, what you have is, you are going to have
twenty percent (20%) or so at a cheap rate and the rest will be subsidizing it and so
the rest of the market lots will be paying for that cheaper homes. That is perhaps the
hard-working families that want to remain on Kaua`i at one hundred sixty percent
(160%) and below. It is not an easy task to figure out for Adam, granted you want to
do all you can to help everyone, but I think our focus on Kaua`i Housing Agency, I
think it needs to change. It needs to be more, "How do we spur on more market
homes?" We need numbers. You have nine thousand (9,000) people waiting for
affordable homes or workforce housing, and you are doing ten (10) or one hundred
(100) at a time, the next year the number grows. The demand is growing more than
the supply, way further. For me, these credits only helps and is only being pushed by,
again, Habitat, people are doing great work, but sometimes I think when you focus
on something that is successful like Habitat and you pass legislation, what you do is
hurt everything else. You might let developers that will get away cheap by buying
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those credits and helping Habitat, but purchasing those credits. What the developer
should have been doing is being...gotten away by getting away cheap for it. I am going
to be voting no because I have not heard how this is going to be positive for the people
of Kaua`i. It is just, "Let us try to do it," well, do you know what, when the time comes
and we really need this legislation to pass, it will only take two (2) months to get it
done. We can do it at that time. I have not heard a compelling reason why we need to
pass this now. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there anyone else? Councilmember
Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I appreciate what Councilmember Kagawa is
saying when there is a cliff, and it creates higher prices and lower prices to subsidize
that inclusionary zoning elements. We did, a few years back, move the inclusionary
zoning from thirty percent (30%) to twenty percent (20%) to try and soften that. The
way I see this is that is the part that creates that different cliff that you are speaking
of. This is just trying to maximize that twenty percent (20%), just trying to help...it
does not change that there is going to be this break, so I look at it as an "and," not a
"nor" that we need to be able to create more opportunities for market rate,
middle-class housing. The biggest challenge on that is the soft costs that are affiliated
with the waiting time with the Land Use Commission, when we have agricultural
properties because a lot of these plateaus in these areas that are really ready and
probably appropriate for town expansion, there are more than fifteen (15) acres, so it
might sit for five (5) years at the State before it can come back to Planning and have
it rezoned. We have a complex problem where it is very difficult to build, I am in
agreement with you, but I am going to support this experiment, so I will be voting
yes. Basically, to try it, but I do not have a lot of faith, but even that density that we
added it really add, it did not really add housing.
Councilmember Kuali`i: Not yet.
Councilmember Cowden: Not yet. It has not in five (5) years, so
anyway, I will be supporting it.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there anyone else? Councilmember
Kagawa.
Councilmember Kagawa: I just wanted to say that I appreciate
Councilmember Kuali`i. Since 2012, this has been the best positive work I have ever
seen from our Housing Committee working with the Housing Agency. The Committee
is trying everything, the Housing Agency is trying everything, but I think just from
the Administration side, I think a change in focus needs to happen and that is all I
am saying. I am not throwing "shade" on our committee and the good work we are
doing with Adam. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Councilmember DeCosta.
Councilmember DeCosta: I was just about to say that. I have only been
here for two (2) terms, but from what I have seen with our Housing Director and
Councilmember Kuali`i have done great work. I have said this before, I look at this as
like when we are parents of a baseball team working the carnival, giving parents
two (2) choices: one (1) pay for your child to go on a trip or two (2), you work the
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carnival and you get credits and your child can use that to go on the trip. You want
the parents to work the carnival.You want everyone to work.You do not give someone
"an out," you do not give them a chance to "buy out." We are giving developers a
chance to "buy out." What worries me is our island culture of our community
subdivisions is changing and when you take that Habitat, eighty percent (80%) area
median income (AMI) out of the development, that five-mile is ridiculous. We need to
keep them closer. I looked at Kukui`ula and seen the location of Pa'anau Village, it
is totally outside of Kukui`ula. They create these high-end homes, high-end
communities that the middle-class people that we all advocate for, will not buy those
homes. Those houses, without the eighty percent (80%) AMI in that subdivision
becomes an attractive Kukui`ula. Now, those homes will sell for one million five
hundred thousand dollars ($1,500,000) instead of the eight hundred thousand dollars
($800,000), like we have here in Hanama`ulu. Those people who live there have a
different culture that the people we are trying to build communities for. I think we
are going in the wrong direction. We are giving developers a chance to buy out. We
have to hold them accountable. I am telling you folks that this is not the plan. There
are better ways to attack this. We talked about the in-lieu fees that cannot even build
a garage. There are other ways of doing this. This is not the way to do it. I support
housing, but I am not going to support this. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I think Director Roversi said it best when he
said this is just one (1) more small tool in our basket of tools. We talked about it for
a long time—all hands on deck, and not just for affordable housing, but just housing,
including workforce housing and the middle gap housing is our top priority and we
have try to do whatever we can. I do not even know necessarily who all will come
forward, he said he has talked to some of the developers he talked to, but we know
for sure Habitat for Humanity. We know for sure PAL Kauai. There will be others.
This is another tool of supporting housing being built not by the County. The County
gets involved and the eighty percent (80%) and lower with nonprofits like Ahe Group
and others to do that type of housing, but we need housing so critically of all types,
so why would we not try to put as many tools in our basket to do that? We worked
on this. We made amendments to make this Bill the best bill it can be, and I was
willing to continue deferring it if anyone had other particular concerns that could be
addressed by an additional amendment. We should not try because Hawai`i Island or
Maui County who are not having the most success. By all accounts, I guess it is not
working for Hawai`i Island because the credits are not moving, it has been sitting for
so long, but it is working in Maui County. It is not the solution to everything, but it
is another tool that they are using that is helping. I absolutely feel we should try,
because we know housing is the number one issue for us. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Councilmember Carvalho.
Councilmember Carvalho: Having been involved in numerous housing
projects, every opportunity we have, we must jump on it. There are resources
available, there are opportunities right now at the table and working with our
Housing Agency, and there are always different time limits and opportunities that
will come, but we must jump on it. To me, this is one step forward. Other
opportunities will come, and we will just have to be ready. We have to work closely
with the Administration to ensure that they have the resources. We have to reach out
for the Federal, State, and County levels, but for this particular time and what is
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being presented is very important that we jump on it and take it to the next level.
With this particular program and project, it will tie into the bigger picture, and then
with the workforce housing, senior housing, etcetera...I am going to support this and
let us move on it. It is the right direction to take right now as we continue to move
forward for housing.
Council Chair Rapozo: My position has not changed from the
Committee Meeting when I shared I would much prefer we right-size the in-lieu fee,
bring that up to a point where we can actually do something with it, and if a developer
wants to pay an in-lieu fee, it should be an amount that the County could leverage to
get a unit up. That is just my position. We maintain control, there are no credits
floating around, you either build or you pay. If you pay, the County retains the funds,
the County partners with Habitat or PAL and we dictate how those funds will be
used, rather than having credits sit for twenty (20) years. To me that just baffles me.
The analogy of your sports team, Councilmember DeCosta, is spot on. In Pop Warner,
you have a choice of either working at all the fundraisers or you can write a check. If
you write a check, you are exempt from fundraising. When you see the malasada
booth at the fair, the people who cannot afford to write the check are out there
working and then the ones who have the resources are not. That is not good.
Likewise, here, the developer who has the money will buy credits and they will never
have to build a unit that is required. What is the net gain to the County? If you use
Habitat as an example, if they build one hundred (100) units, they have a requirement
for twenty (20) affordable units, but they build all affordable, they are always
going to build affordable. In essence, we lost eighty (80) units. For a 100-unit project,
they are required to build twenty percent (20%) affordable, so twenty (20) units.
Those units will not be built, in addition to what they were already going to build.
Yes, they are going to get funds, yes, they are going to be able to expand their
operation with the funds they get from the sale of the credits, but they could have the
same result if the County partnered with them with the funds that was generated
through the in-lieu fee, but the County controls that process and not the developers.
We are dealing with smart developers nowadays and they are finding loopholes. I
read Section 7A-2.5 and I find it hard to believe that we would be able to deny waivers
to someone that basically can come in and give a valid reason why they cannot build
within five (5) miles of the project. That language in that statute is very clear
regarding the areas that the jobs are at. In essence, you can pretty much say Lihu`e
or Kapa`a, regardless of where that nonprofit project was. If it is on the Westside, I
would bet that they would get a waiver to build somewhere else. I do not like giving
up control. What Hawaii Island experienced, and I think it was one thousand two
hundred (1,200) units or credits that are floating. That is one thousand two hundred
(1,200) units that should have been built. That is one thousand two hundred (1,200)
families that should have been in homes, but because of credits...and that is why I
supported the twenty-year expiration. I would like to see it less, but that makes the
Bill a better bill, but again, I do not want to relinquish the control of this County and
the Housing Agency to developers. That is just my position. I will not be supporting
this.
Councilmember DeCosta: I wanted to chime in. You sparked the
lightbulb in my head. You spoke about this five-mile radius—that worries me. Our
island is small. I am speaking for both sides of our island. I am speaking on behalf
of North Shore and I am speaking on behalf of our Hanapepe, `Ele`ele, Kalaheo. The
demographics within that five (5) miles, you go `E1e`ele, Hanapepe, and Kalaheo, get
"mean" cultural demographics. If you visit Anahola, Kilauea, Princeville, "mean"
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cultural demographics. We are giving this developer a chance to put those homes or
maybe outside of the area where they want to put their high-end homes, we need
communities that live cohesively. It is proven across the United States that when you
mix and mingle the different AMIs, the kids grow up socially better. The communities
are socially stronger. We cannot be a diversified island. I am worried with a North
Shore development going on, and they can do those credits, buy themselves out, and
they can put that affordable housing in a different district, and they are going to
create high-end priced homes. Thank you for bringing that up.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there anyone else? Councilmember Kuali`i.
Councilmember Kuali`i: I would just say that we can count on
organizations like Habitat for Humanity to deliver affordable housing. If this system
brings more resources to them, then it means they bring more housing to us. The
County has to trust in others, in nonprofits, in developers and incentivize them
helping us solve the problem, because we cannot do it ourselves. We have been doing
our best and we have been doing good, but you need five thousand (5,000) housing
units and we can build one hundred (100) a year or two hundred (200) a year, we will
never get there. The whole idea of the overall housing policy is to encourage more
private development, more nonprofit development. This credit system is infusing
investment into that outside of the County's moneys. Why not trust the nonprofit
developer who is an expert at building affordable and workforce housing to do that in
place of the developer who when they are trying to pencil out their project, because of
this requirement, ends up not building any housing. They might not just do it at all.
Or if they do develop, they are going to find a nice property on the North Shore and
build mansions, sell less of them, to outsiders, and this is just not helping us. It is
not our solution. I feel like we just must try. All hands on deck, every tool in our
basket. We have been saying it for many years. We made this Bill the best that it
can with all the amendments we worked on for the last couple of months now and I
really hope people can support it.
Council Chair Rapozo: I know I asked early on before we did the
amendment if there were people wishing to testify, but since the amendment, is there
anyone in the audience wishing to testify?
There being no objections, the rules were suspended to take public testimony.
Mr. Sykos: For the record, Lonnie Sykos. There is great
value in all of the positions presented today. I lived on Maui for twenty-five (25)
years. At the end of that time was also the end of the second Lingle Administration.
It took Linda five (5) years to get the Council to fund an audit of housing and what
she pointed out to the public was that under their policies at the time, they had built
tens of thousands of investor units and with the exception of three (3) of the
developers, they had built none of the affordable housing all because of how the rules
were. The rules have changed, you cannot get occupancy permits for the high-end
stuff until you have occupancy in the low-end housing. There have been all these
problems through the decades about the systems used by the counties. I agree with
Council Chair that we do not want credits laying around for twenty (20)years unused,
but on the other hand if the credits will spur building housing now, that is the flipside
of it, but what the Council never discusses in housing is that fact that the Council,
the County government can do nothing about the market price of real estate, cement,
wood, roof material, or even the labor. Given that those are costs out of our control
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just like real estate price is out of our control, the thing that is in our control and the
deficiency is not the expense of the property, it is the income of the people that we are
trying to provide housing for. We read in the newspaper constantly, "record hotel
room rates, record that..."—we are talking record profits for the corporations that pay
poverty-level wages. I encourage the Council to focus perhaps in the backroom
because this could have political repercussions. The visitor industry is the one
responsible for the fact that they get record profits, record room rates, and record
poverty amongst the labor force, and you are asking everyone else to make up for
poverty level wages in our primary industry. Thank you.
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you. Is there anyone else?
There being no further testimony, the meeting was called back to order, and
proceeded as follows:
Council Chair Rapozo: Mr. Sykos brought up a very good point about
the market price and how it has increased significantly over the last ten (10) to
twenty (20) years and yet our in-lieu fee has not. If it is costing us more money to
build a unit, then it should cost more money in place of building the unit in our
in-lieu fee. That just makes sense, right? Either way, whether you buy a credit or
you pay the in-lieu fee, you are getting a bargain because you are not having to build
a physical structure, the physical unit. We really need to look at the in-lieu fee and
do an analysis and figure out what that value is and what is the fair or cost of that
in-lieu fee, and I plan to be doing that as well. Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: Inflation is the gravity that we are arguing
against. The inflationary pressure is just so much stronger than what we can put on
wages. When they say we do not have the political will to fix the problem, well the
problem is national and global with how our economic system is being held. I one
hundred percent (100%) am in agreement, and you have asked on the floor a handful
of times about that in-lieu fee is separate from this credit, so I would say to do both
and if someone is sitting on twenty (20) housing credits, that means someone built
twenty (20) affordable housing units that no one else bought. It is not like those units
are not out there and have been bought unless they are bought, and that thing is
built. If they are floating...at least that is my understanding of it. My big worry is
the stability of these developments that are just one hundred percent (100%)
affordable when they are in such a swift economic current. How will they be able stay
that if they are not able to sell their credits, that is not going to be in the end hurting
anyone because those housing units have already been built. I just see this as being
said by Councilmember Kuali`i, this is just one more tool.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there anyone else?
Councilmember Kuali`i: I am more than happy to work with you and
work in our Committee with the Housing Director and the Administration on the
in-lieu fee bill—to relook at it. Are there any further comments?
The motion for adoption of Bill No. 2914, Draft 2, as amended to Bill No. 2914,
Draft 3 on second and final reading, and that it be transmitted to the Mayor
for his approval was then put, and failed by the following vote:
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FOR ADOPTION: Carvalho, Cowden, Kuali`i TOTAL — 3,
AGAINST ADOPTION: DeCosta, Kagawa, Rapozo TOTAL — 3,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Bulosan TOTAL — 1,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— O.
Council Chair Rapozo: This matter will be deferred to the next
Council Meeting. It will be the first item, correct?
Ms. Fountain-Tanigawa: Yes, Special Order of the Day.
Council Chair Rapozo: With that, we will take a recess and reconvene
in Executive Session.
Councilmember Kagawa: Do we need to read into it?
Council Chair Rapozo: Oh, yes.
(Councilmember DeCosta was noted as not present.)
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
ES-1130 Pursuant to Hawai`i Revised Statutes (HRS) Sections 92-4 and
92-5(a)(4), and Kaua`i County Charter Section 3.07(E), the Office of the County
Attorney requests an Executive Session to provide a briefing on the retention of
Special Counsel to represent the County of Kaua`i in enforcement of the
Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance as it relates to transient accommodations. The
briefing and consultation involves consideration of the powers, duties, privileges,
immunities, and/or liabilities of the Council and the County as they relate to this
agenda item.
Councilmember Kagawa moved to convene in Executive Session for ES-1130,
seconded by Councilmember Kuali`i.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there anyone in the audience wishing to
testify?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
Councilmember Kagawa: In a nutshell, can the County Attorney tell the
public what this item relates to?
Council Chair Rapozo: I will suspend the rules.
Councilmember Kagawa: Especially, because of the Maui thing, a lot of
hoopla about transient accommodation. Whatever you can share with the public.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
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MATTHEW M. BRAKCEN, County Attorney: Matt Bracken, County
Attorney. In 2022, the County Council amended the code in relation to vacation
rental renewal fees. Someone who has a vacation rental comes in for a renewal, they
pay a fee. When you all amended that code, you allowed that fee to be used for
attorneys fees, in regards to litigation, and so we always have some sort of litigation
with our transient vacation rental owner operators. We have about fifteen (15) active
cases currently. With the amendment we can actually hire outside counsel to handle
those cases, so that request would be for handle outside counsel to handle some of
these cases. Not the current cases, my plan is to continue to use our attorney for
current cases, but for future cases.
Council Chair Rapozo: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: You are just saying we have that money
special for this, it is not like we are anticipating a big backlash for State and County
policy?
Mr. Bracken: No. The contract would have to be specific to
our current operation, the program that we currently have, so, no, it is not anticipated
with anything new.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is this briefing about specific cases?
Mr. Bracken: It is not. We do not actually have any cases
that I plan on assigning this to. We do have fifteen (15) open active cases that are
being handled by attorneys, but I do not expect to assign any of those cases to this
new contract. It would be for future cases.
Council Chair Rapozo: Do we need to go into Executive Session?
Mr. Bracken: We really do not.
Council Chair Rapozo: If it is not going to be of any matter of
confidentiality if there is no cases, then I do not see the need to go into Executive
Session.
Mr. Bracken: No. There really is not much more to say
beyond what I already said. The funds are available. The upside to it is the program
becomes self-sufficient, so currently we are subsidizing it by attorneys' time, I have
fifteen (15) cases that my office is handling by opening this contract, then all of the
disputes in regards to the current program will be handled by all the fees collected by
that program.
Council Chair Rapozo: Go ahead.
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Councilmember Cowden: So, when the procurement office determines
who those attorneys are or do we already know who it is going to?
Mr. Bracken: No, we will have to go through the normal
procurement process. Every year we solicit for attorneys, for law firms that want to
do business with the County, so if you all approve the use of the funds, then we set
up a committee and then the committee selects attorneys based on the resumes
submitted.
Council Chair Rapozo: They have a professional services list that
includes a whole array of professional services that apply, so it is not like procurement
where you go out for three (3) bids. These folks have already been vetted, they sit on
this list, and then you make your phone calls, as long as they are on that certified
vendor list, then you can pick based on that without going through the normal
procurement process, correct?
Mr. Bracken: Yes. It is professional service, so we will get
to pull from that list.
Council Chair Rapozo: Correct.
Mr. Bracken: And then the selection committee, which I
cannot sit on as a department head, but the selection committee is usually made up
of attorneys in my office and they go through and review the resumes and make
selections.
Council Chair Rapozo: Okay.
Mr. Bracken: And negotiate the contract afterwards.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any further questions? If not, thank
you. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to testify?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting was called back
to order, and proceeded as follows:
Councilmember Kagawa withdrew the motion to convene in Executive Session
for ES-1130. Councilmember Kuali`i withdrew the second.
Councilmember Kagawa moved to receive ES-1130 for the record in open
session, seconded by Councilmember Kuali`i, and carried by vote of 6:0:1
(Pursuant to Rule No. 5(b) of the Rules of the Council of the County of Kauai,
Councilmember DeCosta was noted as silent (not present), but shall be recorded
as an affirmative for the motion; Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Motion carried.
COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA 35 JUNE 26, 2024
C 2024-119 Communication (05/31/2024) from the County Attorney, requesting
authorization to expend funds up to $150,000.00 to retain Special Counsel to represent
the County of Kaua`i in enforcement of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance as it
relates to transient accommodations.
Councilmember Kuali`i moved to approve C 2024-119, seconded by
Councilmember Cowden.
Council Chair Rapozo: Is there any discussion or public testimony?
There being no one present to provide testimony, the meeting proceeded as
follows:
The motion to approve C 2024-119 was then put, and carried by vote of 6:0:1
(Pursuant to Rule No. 5(b) of the Rules of the Council of the County of Kauai,
Councilmember DeCosta was noted as silent (not present), but shall be recorded
as an affirmative for the motion; Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Council Chair Rapozo: Thank you very much. With that, this meeting
is adjourned.
ADJOURNMENT.
There being no further business, the Council Meeting adjourned at 10:21 a.m.
Res.ectfully submitted,
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Attachment 1
(June 26, 2024)
FLOOR AMENDMENT
Bill No. 2914, Draft 2, A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 7A,
ARTICLE 9, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO
GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING
Introduced by: KIPUKAI KUALII, Councilmember
Amend Bill No. 2914, Draft 1, SECTION 2, in part, by amending Chapter 7A,
Section 7A-9.4.1(a), to read as follows:
"Sec. 7A-9.4.1 Residential Workforce Housing Credits.
(a) The Housing Agency may issue credits, upon request by a
developer, provided that:
(1) The developer is obliged, by charter, bylaws, or contractual
agreement, to use all proceeds generated from the sale of credits to
construct or rehabilitate affordable or workforce housing.
(2) Each workforce unit constructed in the subject development
shall be encumbered by a recorded deed restriction that meets the
requirements of this Chapter.
(3) Each residential workforce unit shall be sold or rented to an
income qualified individual.
(4) Credits may only be issued for each residential workforce
housing unit sold or rented to an income eligible individual in the
appropriate income group, that is in excess of the residential workforce
housing otherwise required in this Chapter.
(5) For units sold or rented to income eligible individuals
earning one hundred twenty percent(120%)or less of Kaua`i Median Area
Income, only fifty percent (50%) of the excess workforce units sold or
rented shall be eligible for credits.
(6) For projects sold or rented to income eligible individuals
earning eighty percent (80%) or less of Kaua`i Median Area Income, all of
the excess workforce units sold or rented shall be eligible for credits.
(b) A credit may satisfy the requirement for any type of unit
constructed for any income group in accordance with the requirements of
Article 2.
(c) The number of credits issued shall be set forth in a workforce
housing agreement.
(d) Credits may be transferred to other developers to satisfy up to fifty
percent (50%)of the workforce housing requirements imposed on them,provided
that the developer receiving the credits may only utilize the credits subject to
the geographic requirements set out in Section 7A-2.5.
(e) The original recipient or holder of housing credits shall be required
to report the transfer of credits to any other developer or project.
(f) If the project applying for the excess credits was developed with a
direct subsidy from the federal, state, or county governments, the Director shall
either: (1) discount the excess credits earned by the value of the subsidy, or (2)
require that the Agency or other public entity subsidizing the project share
equitably in the proceeds from the transfer of the excess credits.
(g) Any credits issued under this section shall expire twenty(20)years
from the date of issuance."
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material to be added is underscored.
Amendment material is highlighted.)
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