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HOUSING & INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE
May 1, 2024
A meeting of the Housing & Intergovernmental Relations Committee of the
Council of the County of Kaua`i, State of Hawai'i, was called to order by
KipuKai Kuali`i, Chair, at the Council Chambers, 4396 Rice Street, Suite 201,
Lihu'e, Kaua`i, on Wednesday, May 1, 2024, at 8:31 a.m., after which the following
Members answered the call of the roll:
Honorable Bernard P. Carvalho, Jr.
Honorable Felicia Cowden
Honorable Bill DeCosta
Honorable KipuKai Kuali`i
Honorable Ross Kagawa, Ex-Officio Member (present at 8:52 a.m.)
Honorable Mel Rapozo, Ex-Officio Member
Excused: Honorable Addison Bulosan
Minutes of the April 3, 2024 Housing & Intergovernmental Relations
Committee Meeting.
Upon motion duly made by Councilmember Carvalho, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta, and carried by a vote of 4:0:1 (Councilmember
Bulosan was excused), the Minutes of the April 3, 2024 Housing &
Intergovernmental Relations Committee Meeting was approved.
Minutes of the April 17, 2024 Housing & Intergovernmental Relations
Committee Meeting.
Upon motion duly made by Councilmember Carvalho, seconded by
Councilmember DeCosta, and carried by a vote of 4:0:1 (Councilmember
Bulosan was excused), the Minutes of the April 17, 2024 Housing &
Intergovernmental Relations Committee Meeting was approved.
The Committee proceeded on its agenda item, as follows:
Bill No. 2914 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 7A,
ARTICLE 9, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED,
RELATING TO GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE FOR
WORKFORCE HOUSING (This item was Deferred.)
Councilmember Carvalho moved to recommend approval of Bill No. 2914 on
second and final reading, seconded by Councilmember DeCosta.
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Committee Chair Kuali`i: I do not see our Housing Director here. Is
there anyone from the audience that is here from the Housing Agency? He may be
on his way, but I think that we can get started. Members, as you know, this is the
Bill that we have been working on in Committee and we can continue to work on it.
I am not in a rush for us to pass this Bill out of Committee today, but we do have
some amendments to work on. I know of at least one (1) amendment for Bill No. 2914.
Let us start with that amendment. Councilmember Carvalho, would you like to
introduce that amendment on my behalf?
Councilmember Carvalho moved to amend Bill No. 2914 as circulated, and as
shown in the Floor Amendment, which is attached hereto and incorporated
herein as Attachment 1, seconded by Councilmember Cowden.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, basically this motion changes, if
you look at section (a)(4) on page 1...thank you Housing Director for joining us. We
have before us the first amendment to Bill No. 2914, and I was about to explain that
my amendment, on section (a)(4) on the first page was to change the percentage from
seventy-five percent (75%) to fifty percent (50%). That percentage is the
differentiation of the credit. There is a full credit and a half (Y2) credit instead of a
full credit and three-quarter (3 ) credit. The cut-off point, and Housing Director, you
can correct me if I am wrong, the cut-off point would be eighty percent (80%) and
below, which is by National standards of affordable housing and between eighty
percent (80%) and one hundred twenty percent (120%), which many also call
affordable housing, but the distinguishing description is sometimes workforce
housing.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
ADAM P. ROVERSI, Housing Director: Adam Roversi, for the record.
That would be correct.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Basically, it would be giving full credit to the
affordable housing of eighty percent (80%) and below and it is giving the half (%2)
credit to the workforce housing, which is between eighty percent (80%) and one
hundred twenty percent (120%). The high point being one hundred twenty
percent (120%) and below. The above one hundred twenty percent (120%) would be
market. That is the simple policy value change, if you will. I am proposing a full
credit value of the eighty percent (80%) and below and a half(%2) credit value between
eighty percent (80%) and one hundred twenty percent (120%). Of course, I ran it by
the Housing Director, he was okay with it, and I ran it by the County Attorney, and
his opinion was that it was fine as to form and legality. Members, are there any
questions?
Councilmember DeCosta: I have a question. Can you explain to me the
reason for lowering the credit from seventy-five percent (75%) to fifty percent (50%)?
It seems that eighty percent (80%) area median income (AMI) affordable housing is a
must and that is a group that we have been targeting through Habitat for Humanity,
but the one hundred twenty percent (120%) workforce housing seems like an
inventory base that we do not have on-island. Those are teachers, nurses, policemen,
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and firemen. Why would we provide less credit to those individuals? Can you explain
that to me?
Committee Chair Kuali`i: When we first started, we had nearly seven
hundred (700) people on the Home Buyer list, that are looking to afford a house that
is eighty percent (80%) or lower. I am trying to make that a priority. Also, in the
long run, it is credits and ideally, we want developers to build units. I feel that the
value of the credits should go to groups like Habitat for Humanity, because their
entire purpose is to build affordable housing. I would rather support a nonprofit
affordable housing developer at full credit level and a for-profit or private developers
at the lower level while still supporting them as well, because we need housing of all
types. It is a value call; if you feel differently, you feel differently.
Councilmember DeCosta: I want to support any one of the constituents
sitting here and be akamai by you informing of why you believe this change is a good
thing. I am looking at this...let us say, if a developer wants to do housing, are we
giving them half(%) credit for every affordable dwelling that they build?
Committee Chair Kuali`i: It will be for every unit that they build in
excess of their required amount, because there is a requirement. Often, they will
probably only build what they are required, because they are not experts in building
affordable housing. They will leave that to an entity like Habitat for Humanity or
others similar to that.
Council Chair Rapozo: Could I say something? This might be a
question for you Committee Chair Kuali`i. I tried to find if there was any language
in the Bill that would restrict the spending of the funds that were received from the
credits. Going back to Councilmember DeCosta's thought, not too many developers
build more than is required. With this Bill, they are allowed to purchase the credits.
With the money that is generated from the sale of those credits, does the Bill require
that those funds be used for affordable housing?
Mr. Roversi: It does not.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Do you have a follow-up? Go ahead.
Councilmember Cowden: That purchase is one hundred seventy-five
thousand dollars ($175,000). Is that right? Is that the cost to purchase housing
credit? Did I remember that correctly?
Mr. Roversi: No, the one hundred seventy-five thousand
dollars ($175,000) from our prior meeting was a rough estimate of what an in-lieu fee
would be under the current Housing Policy. A developer who chooses to not build
units is required to have the option to pay that in-lieu fee instead. The assumption
was that the in-lieu fee amounts would inform what credits could sell for between
people who have them and developers who have a workforce housing obligation.
Councilmember Cowden: When we sell these credits...that is my worry,
that they will sell the credit, but it will not be enough to build a unit. Then, we end
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up with less units after selling credits for less than the cost of building a unit. That
is my worry. Do we not have a value that is assigned to selling a credit?
Mr. Roversi: The transfer of credits is solely between the
holder and buyer of the credit. We are not trying to insert ourselves into that
transaction. It is up to them to decide what the value is, given the nature of their
project and situation.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay. I am not comfortable with that.
Councilmember DeCosta: Could I do my follow-up? Thank you, Adam.
You are the expert. We have met many times and you have helped to change my
mind. I believe that we all are experts. Those sitting in our constituent base are our
public experts, they know what they want in their communities. Do you believe that
this decrease from seventy-five percent (75%) to fifty percent (50%) credit is a good
thing for a developer when in the process of crafting a development plan of how many
excess units they will do for affordable housing? Do you believe that this is a good
percentage base to cut it down to?
Mr. Roversi: Ultimately, I think that is a policy call. I am
somewhat neutral. It does prioritize the increase production of lower priced units,
which there is a higher need for on Kaua`i. I am not saying that we do not have a
need for gap housing.
Councilmember DeCosta: Before I do not remember my thought, can I
stop you? You and Committee Chair Kuali`i stated that there are seven
hundred (700) individuals on the Home Buyer list. Eighty percent (80%) AMI is the
largest inventory that we need. Am I correct?
Mr. Roversi: Eighty percent (80%) and below.
Councilmember DeCosta: Do you know the reason for that? Those are
the individuals that apply for County housing because they cannot afford a regular
house. Did you know that firemen, policemen, teachers, and nurses cannot afford
regular houses, either. That is the gap group that we are missing. I think that we
are only focused on the sixty percent (60%) to eighty percent (80%) AMI and not
worried about those not returning from college. All I want to know is if this process
would hurt that. If you look at the inventory on Kaua`i, there is none. Habitat for
Humanity creates the inventory for the sixty percent (60%) to eighty
percent (80%) AMI. There is nothing for the rest of the public that earns a slightly
higher income and does not qualify for the County's Home Buyer list. How can we
fix that with this fifty percent (50%) process? Can we fix it?
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Adam, before you answer that, let me make it
clear that this Bill is indeed creating a new credit that does not exist, rather than just
thinking of it as going from seventy-five percent (75%) to fifty percent (50%), it is
going from zero percent (0%) to fifty percent (50%). It is creating a half (1/2) credit
that does not exist right now.
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Mr. Roversi: Correct. Today, there are no credits. An
affordable housing developer building units that they are not required to build
receives no benefit from the County. This Bill is attempting to incentivize entities
within our community other than just the Housing Agency to build affordable
housing. It is true that we have a higher need for the lower-income units. It is not
exactly true that there is nothing for the gap group. We are working to create that
ourselves and just last week, we broke ground on the first ground at the homes at
Limo Ola. Those will be provided to those earning a higher income, but there is
certainly a dramatic need for the group that you are speaking about, which is often
referred to as the gap group, as well as the lower-income group.
Councilmember DeCosta: I did not know that this was a new thing.
(Councilmember Kagawa was noted as present.)
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Yes, it is a newly proposed credit system.
Councilmember DeCosta: You did not explain that to me. You did not
state that this was a newly proposed half(1/2) credit for developers to incentivize them
to build affordable housing units. Otherwise, there is no incentive for developers to
build, correct?
Mr. Roversi: I believe that we did discuss that at prior
meetings when I laid out that we have a credit system now, but it only applies to
Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL). The whole purpose of this proposed
Bill is to expand the credit system to a wider group of builders, try to incentive and
provide financing for other groups such as Habitat for Humanity, Permanently
Affordable Living (PAL) Hawai`i, and Kaua`i Housing Development
Corporation (KHDC) to assist them in helping the County to build units. The County
is going to continue to build housing units, but we want to broaden the playing field,
so that the County is not the primary or the only "game in town."
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Like he stated, this is basically a policy call,
and I stated that it was a value call. Do you want to differentiate the value of a full
credit for this type and a half(1/2) credit for that type?
Councilmember DeCosta: Okay, now I understand. Thank you.
Councilmember Cowden: I do not understand. I am going to ask it in a
different way. If there is a developer that is building a subdivision or apartments,
and they are required to put a percentage into affordable housing, that is where they
get their credits. Let us say that we are using round numbers, they are required to
build one hundred (100) affordable housing units. This states that they can sell fifty
percent (50%) of that requirement. Is that what this is stating? Could they buy
fifty (50) units, but not buy one hundred (100) units? If it is at fifty percent (50%),
would they be buying the credit and still be required to build the other fifty
percent (50%)? Is that what this is saying?
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Mr. Roversi: I believe that is a separate amendment than
what we are talking about that may be brought up on the floor and discussed. The
number that Committee Chair Kuali`i is speaking to is how the credits will be
awarded at step number one.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember Cowden, I think
process-wise, you are getting ahead. We are in section (a)(4). You might be speaking
on section (d). The first fifty percent (50%) is how the credits are valued for the type
of unit that the developer is building. If the project is eighty percent (80%) and below
affordable housing, then the developer will receive full credit. If the project is in the
range of one hundred twenty percent (120%) down to eighty percent (80%), the
developer will receive half (%2) credit. The other part of the requirement where a
developer can only use fifty percent (50%) is in section (d) and we will get to that.
Members, are there any further questions on this first part of the amendment,
section (a)(4)? If not, let us move down to the second and final part of this
amendment, which is section (d), the part that Councilmember Cowden was speaking
about.
Councilmember Cowden: It is important to me that if there is a
development, then they do not end up building less affordable housing...whether
someone buys that credit. I want to make sure that if there is a certain number of
units that they are required to build, then that certain amount of units goes into
existence whether it goes to Habitat for Humanity or themselves. I want to make
sure that we are not cutting it in half(Y2)...
Committee Chair Kuali`i: The requirement is the requirement. The
amount a developer will build beyond the requirement is what they are eligible to
earn credits.
Councilmember Cowden: If a developer buys the credits at a fifty
percent (50%) discount, then is the County getting half(h) as much? That part is not
very clear to me.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: It is not a fifty percent (50%) discount.
Council Chair Rapozo: Committee Chair Kuali`i, let me set the
scenario so we could focus on one scenario while having this discussion. Let us say
that a developer is building a 100-unit subdivision. There is a twenty percent (20%)
affordable housing requirement, so we are only speaking to if a developer builds more
than twenty (20) affordable housing units. They need to build twenty (20) affordable
housing units.
Councilmember Cowden: Let us say that they built thirty (30)
affordable housing units.
Council Chair Rapozo: If it is below the median AMI, then the
developer will only receive half (%) the credit. For the extra ten (10) affordable
housing units that the developer builds, they will receive five (5) credits. That is how
this credit system works. The reality is that the developer who is required to build
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twenty (20) units, can purchase those credits and not build any affordable housing
units. In my opinion, that is the downside.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: That is the part we are looking at,
section (4)(d). This is not a discount; this is a limit. This states that if you are
required to build twenty (20) units, then you can only purchase credits for ten (10),
then you have to build the other ten (10) units.
Councilmember Cowden: Okay, that was my question.
Mr. Roversi: It might be helpful to quickly revisit the
discussion from the prior Committee Meeting regarding what the current system is.
Let us put credits aside and pretend that they do not exist because right now, they
do not. If a developer is required to build twenty (20) units of affordable housing as
part of their larger project, they have several options. They can build the units either
for rent or for sale, they can give the County land that would need to be approved by
Council, or they can pay the in-lieu fee that we discussed earlier. Right now, in our
current system, a developer has the option of writing a check instead of building any
affordable housing units. Under the current system, that check would then go into
the Housing Development Fund and be utilized by the Housing Agency to help
subsidize housing, do infrastructure work, and all the things that we do help generate
housing. Under this credit system, it would allow an extra option. A developer who
is required to build twenty (20) affordable housing units can do the exact same things
that they could do under the current system, or they could purchase credits from an
affordable housing developer who has gone above and beyond the regular
requirements and that would put up to fifty percent (50%) of the check writing. The
in-lieu fee that would have gone to the County or the purchase of the credit instead
of into the County's pocket, it would go into the pocket of the affordable housing entity
that went above and beyond to build more units than required. By financially
supporting their efforts, we hope to continue to build more affordable housing so that
the County Housing Agency is not the primary entity doing that work. It provides a
little bit of financial "leg up" to other private entities to try spread the burden of
developing affordable housing and it mimics an existing credit system that we use
for DHHL.
Councilmember Cowden: Does it work for DHHL?
Mr. Roversi: They have received credits on Kaua`i for
one (1) project and to my knowledge, they have never attempted to market or sell
those credits to anyone to realize the financial benefit of having received them in the
first place. I would not judge the program based on DHHL's lack of effort in utilizing
the credits given to them.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: I would say that probably once this system is
in place, having heard the testimony of the folks from Habitat for Humanity, they
would probably be a good an example of how this system helps them to do more
housing. Adam, can you confirm in that instance where there are one hundred (100)
units and twenty (20) units are required, currently does the requirement only state
that it has to be under twenty percent (20%) or lower?
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Mr. Roversi: No, there are two (2) different levels of
requirements built into the Housing Policy. If your entire project is, I believe
twenty (20) units or less, then the workforce housing that you develop has to be on
average one hundred percent (100%) for the families that make one hundred
percent (100%) AMI. If a developer is building beyond those twenty (20) units, then
the Housing Policy sets out specific percentages of your workforce housing if there
are a certain number of units at eighty percent (80%) AMI, one hundred
percent (100%)AMI, one hundred twenty percent (120%)AMI. It depends on the size
of the developer's project and the category that the developer falls into as far as the
workforce requirements.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Then in that instance, even the for-profit
developer, for anything beyond the twenty (20) required, they can choose to build a
little more of the eighty percent (80%) and below, a little more of the one hundred
twenty percent (120%), and could get both types of credits. It is not credits for one
type of developer or another, it is credits based on the AMI, so they are eligible for
that as well.
Mr. Roversi: If they were building over and above what
they are required.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: ...and were in excess and at eighty
percent (80%) and below for the full credit. Do you have a question?
Council Chair Rapozo: I have a follow-up. Adam, when was the last
time that we had a for-profit developer build more affordable housing than was
required?
Mr. Roversi: The only entities that I am aware of who have
done what we are speaking about are the three (3) that I quickly mentioned before,
KHDC and they have built a few units.
Council Chair Rapozo: They are a nonprofit. I am asking about
for-profit organizations.
Mr. Roversi: I am unaware of any for profit
organizations...
Council Chair Rapozo: This Bill targets the nonprofit developers
because in all the years that I have sat here, there are no for-profit organizations that
I am aware of that gave more than the requirement. In fact, they are always trying
to find a way to do less by giving something else.
Mr. Roversi: Generally speaking, you are correct here on
Kaua`i in our current environment, but looking back to one of our last committee
meetings, we did briefly discuss the subdivision that I visited on Maui that has this
existing credit system. The project that I visited there was a for-profit developer
voluntarily building fifty percent (50%) of his project at affordable prices. I am told,
because of his expectations of this credit system...
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Council Chair Rapozo: Were those subsidized projects?
Mr. Roversi: That project was not a subsidize project.
Council Chair Rapozo: Was it a pure for-profit developer that built...
Mr. Roversi: He was building fifty percent (50%) of his
subdivision as his market rate homes and the fifty percent (50%) was at one hundred
twenty percent (120%) AMI prices. He had not received the credits yet because the
all the housing had yet to be built, but it was described to me by the County of Maui's
Housing Authority and by my discussion with the developer himself that he was
incentivized to do that in part by this credit system that allows him to cover some of
that financial gap between the market rate units that he could sell and the one
hundred twenty percent (120%) units that he wanted to provide for the community.
He may have partly been an individual who was financially stable and wanted to give
back to the community and this credit system helped him to pencil out so that he was
not losing money doing what he was trying to do.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, are there any further questions?
Members, is there any final discussion on the amendment?
Councilmember Cowden: Partly, I am looking at how full this room is
and knowing that there are children eager to move along...
Committee Chair Kuali`i: If we vote, we could move along.
Councilmember Cowden: If we vote, we could move along and we could
also make a mistake.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: It is an amendment. These are the two (2)
items that we fully deliberated and discussed. If you can not support it, then you can
vote no. Do you have further questions?
Councilmember Cowden: It is not evident to me how any of this is going
to yield more housing, so I do not know why...
Committee Chair Kuali`i: It is an incentive and it is worth giving a try,
do you not agree? It is credit that is an incentive.
Councilmember Cowden: I suppose, and I do know that there is at least
one (1) developer who is saying that they want to do fifty-fifty (50/50). They have
been trying but have a Land Use Commission issue.
Council Chair Rapozo: I do not vote today. Are we back in order or
are the rules still suspended?
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Yes, calling the meeting back to order, but
please stay there, Adam.
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There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded
as follows:
Council Chair Rapozo: I do not vote today, because I am not on the
Housing & Intergovernmental Relations Committee.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: We have four (4) of our five (5) members
present. Our Vice Chair is not here. We need three (3) votes to pass on the
amendment. This is just the amendment. We will take testimony on the Bill.
Councilmember Kagawa: I am not on the Housing& Intergovernmental
Relations Committee, but I will be voting under full Council.
Council Chair Rapozo: I support this amendment because I think
that it makes it a better Bill, especially the fifty percent (50%) part in section (5)(d)
as well as section N(a)(4). I am struggling with this. I am not inclined to support the
Bill next week because the issue that we face today is inventory. That is the problem,
we do not have homes. I am not sure how many of you saw this morning's headlines
from The Garden Island. I was depressed yesterday, but I am even more depressed
today. The headline stated that the median home price on Kaua`i in March was one
million six hundred thousand dollars ($1,600,000). I was shocked when it was one
million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000) and now, it is one million six
hundred thousand dollars ($1,600,000). When I look at this Bill, I understand the
intent and the nonprofit developers could benefit. I do not see much benefit for the
for-profit developers. I do not know of anyone that would come here and willing...if
they do, for the generation of credits...each time that we sell a credit or someone
receives a credit, that is one (1) less unit on our island. That is one (1) less property
that needs to be built, so I asked the question relating to the proceeds of these sales
of credits. There is no requirement that those funds be utilized for affordable housing.
I think that should be in this Bill as well. The fact of the matter is that...let us use
Coco Palms Resort as an example, because they have a housing development. They
do not even have an idea of where this project will go. I have heard rumors, and they
do not have to build units until after the project is complete. They could simply
purchase credits and not have to build a single house. If you have the money, you do
not need to build affordable housing. At a time when we need inventory, we do not
need money or credit, and I am not going to mention the specific nonprofits because
there are a couple of them on-island that do a very good job, but they are going to
benefit in the way of cash. Yes, some of these nonprofit organizations only do
nonprofit construction. If you look at the scenario where you only have a nonprofit
developer that only builds affordable housing, and you have a for-profit developer
that builds a development. Let us say that these two (2) developments are both one
hundred (100) units. Both projects require a twenty percent (20%) affordable housing
component. The nonprofit developer needs to build at least twenty percent (20%) but
builds one hundred percent (100%) and they end up with eighty (80) credits. The
for-profit developer needs to build at least twenty percent (20%), but only needs to
buy twenty (20) credits from the nonprofit and he is absolved from the requirement
to build affordable housing. As a result, we lose twenty percent (20%) because the
nonprofit was building all their units anyway. For me, as a nonexpert individual, I
think that we should increase the in-lieu fee, because the one hundred seventy-five
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thousand dollars ($175,000) will not buy us a unit. With the increase in the in-lieu
fee, developers will have two (2) options: constructing the units or paying the in-lieu
fee, which would go to a fund managed by the County to work with a nonprofit agency.
This arrangement would grant the County control over the funds, ensuring they are
dedicated to the construction of affordable housing. Right here, you give up control.
Basically, it states that a developer could sell eighty (80) or ten (10) credits at one
hundred seventy-five thousand dollars ($175,000) a piece. That is one million
seventy-five hundred thousand dollars ($1,750,000) that could or could not be used
for affordable housing versus the County receiving one million seventy-five hundred
thousand dollars ($1,750,000) and the County leveraging those funds with private
nonprofits through creative financing and all the Federal tools that we have to build
inventory. I wanted to make the point that inventory is key. Today's headline only
further strengthened my argument. Councilmemebr Kagawa mentions basic
economics often, supply and demand. If you increase the supply, the prices go down.
In my opinion, this would be used for developers to get away from building units.
Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember DeCosta.
Councilmember DeCosta: I have a follow-up. I want to add to that
although I am not an expert, I think I know a little about housing. I own several
houses, so I think I qualify to say that what we are missing is the developer who
recently sold the credits to a nonprofit who will build affordable homes that no longer
has to build affordable homes in the community. Now, they can focus on building
market-rate housing. Market-rate housing at an average cost of one million six
hundred thousand dollars ($1,600,000). I see a fireman, a nurse, a teacher, and a
Spectrum cable employee, none of them with a five percent (5%) down can qualify for
a one million six hundred thousand dollars ($1,600,000) house. What sort of
community do you think the developer will create on Kaua`i? I will tell you. It is the
type of community that I walked through this past Sunday, Kukui`ula subdivision in
Koloa. It will be a specialized community with high-end houses because the developer
will want to sell those houses at the highest price, not to a teacher, fireman,
accountant, or County EM3 employee that earns ninety thousand dollar ($90,000) a
year. They are going to sell it to the people who want to move here and become
residents. You folks all know who they are. Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Can we keep the discussion to the
amendment? We still have the Bill as a whole to discuss. We are not in a hurry to
pass this out of Committee today. I am not sure if there any other amendments, I am
going to ask if there any other amendments, but just let us focus on this amendment
relating to the fifty percent (50%) instead of the seventy-five percent (75%) with a
fifty percent (50%) limit on how many credits can purchase on a project. They cannot
purchase credits for one hundred percent (100%) of the requirement.
Councilmember Cowden: I have a short comment. Fifty percent (50%)
is better than how it is, so I will be voting for it. I want to be very careful when we
look at the rest of it.
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Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, is there any other final discussion
points on the amendment?
Councilmember Carvalho: After listening to our discussion and hearing
our Housing Director, I understand the bigger picture that this is another option that
we have to look at moving forward. The next chapter will be a big discussion, if you
will, but for today's discussion, I think this ties into what Adam was saying, this Bill
gives us another option.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: I will take a vote on the amendment.
The motion to amend Bill No. 2914 as circulated, and as shown in the Floor
Amendment, which is attached hereto and incorporated herein as
Attachment 1 was then put, and carried by a vote of:
FOR AMENDMENT: Carvalho, Cowden, DeCosta, Kuali`i TOTAL— 4,
AGAINST AMENDMENT: None TOTAL— 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Bulosan TOTAL— 1,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL— O.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: The motion to pass the amendment carries.
Now, we are back to full Bill. Members, are there any other proposed amendments
for today? No other amendments today. Members, it sounds to me that you would
like further work on this Bill and that you will work with the Housing Director on
any potential amendments.
Councilmember DeCosta: I did work on my amendment.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: We will defer today and this Bill will come
back in two (2) weeks. After the meeting today, begin your work with the Housing
Director and Allison who is helping us put our amendments together. Is there anyone
from the audience wishing to provide testimony? Thank you, Housing Director
Roversi. Please come forward and state your name. You may take the chair and
make sure that the green light is on in the middle.
There being no objections, the rules were suspended to take public testimony.
LOUISE SAUSEN: Aloha, I am Louise Sausen. I figured that
since I drove from the North Shore and until my item comes up, I will speak to
whatever is on the agenda. I am glad that you have this one million six hundred
thousand dollars ($1,600,000) affordable. The only way that you can make anything
affordable for our people is if the government subsides the loans. We have many
places built as affordable housing. Individuals are working five (5)jobs in one family,
and they do not qualify for the loans. All this is not acceptable. I am sorry, but it is.
I am going to call it what it is. All of you folks should be representing the people. I
understand that there are logistics and other things. Also, I think we have to go in
the direction of single-family wall homes. They worked fine.
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Council Chair Rapozo: I am sorry. What was after single-family?
Ms. Sausen: Single wall homes, because the extra drywall
created in America and brought here...we have a lot of respiratory diseases going
around. Why? The humidity here. The inside of the drywall is killing us. The only
way that we can have affordable housing anywhere in Hawai`i is if the government
subsidizes the loans. When I was a kid, Sears Appliance Repair used to sell single
wall housing in kits. Where are you going to get the water from? Our streams are
already being diverted all over the place. What about electricity? We are part of a
co-op, and we pay. Housing, everyone is ready to be homeless. Oh, but are the
homeless are only individuals who do drugs? Take a drive down to Lydgate Beach
Park and you will cry when you see the people, but we allow other entities to be sent
in from other states with a one-way ticket. We should be shipping those individuals
back out. They are the individuals who receive the food stamps. They are the ones
receiving the medical. I am a senior citizen, I have Medicaid A and B. That is all
that the government gives to me.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Thank you, Ms. Sausen, that is your time.
Ms. Sausen: This is all a burden to our children, and the
rents are going up.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Your time has expired. Thank you. Can we
have the next testifier? Please come forward.
MELANI PIMENTAL, Executive Director of Kaua`i Habitat for Humanity:
Melani Pimental, Executive Director for Kaua`i Habitat for Humanity speaking on
behalf of Kaua`i Habitat for Humanity. Good morning. Thank you for having us,
Chair, Committee Chair, and Councilmembers. I am here to voice support for this
Bill. I will say that I am speaking on behalf of a nonprofit builder and developer. I
do not have the experience to speak on any matters related to private development
or for-profit development. However, I do echo Adam's comments from earlier, where
he stated that a bill like this would definitely help to generate the much needed
support to fund our housing projects. Many cases with, along with the median cost
here of one million six hundred thousand dollars ($1,600,000) this week, it is land
prices. We have to buy land like everyone else in order to build homes. The going
prices can sometimes be one million dollars ($1,000,000) per acre, right? The cost of
putting in utilities is now at an all-time high, as well. Again, funding like this would
greatly enable us to continue and provide more of these housing opportunities for our
people. In addition to us at Habitat for Humanity, there are other nonprofits that do
exist that build one hundred twenty percent (120%) AMI and below. As you folks
were discussing earlier, Habitat for Humanity is at eighty percent (80%) AMI and
below, which is the larger need in many areas of our island community today. I do
agree that all levels of housing are needed and need to be developed, and we certainly
are not seeing enough to Chair Rapozo's point where we create more supply. We will
see some changes in our pricing. I do commend you folks for your exploration of the
topic because it is important. It requires careful consideration for all the different
ramifications. That is the end of my testimony and I do look forward to hearing more
from the Committee and the Council on the topic. Thank you.
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Committee Chair Kuali`i: Thank you. We have a clarifying question.
Council Chair Rapozo: I have a clarifying question. Sorry, I will send
it over in writing instead.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Do you have a clarifying question?
Councilmember DeCosta: It is a question relating to building.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: I assume that you folks are thinking that she
is an expert because this is her entity, but it should be a clarifying question on her
provided testimony. Otherwise, you will need to follow up in writing or with a phone
call.
Councilmember Cowden: I will follow up.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Thank you. Will the next person wishing to
testify please come forward?
Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you, Melani.
Councilmember Cowden: Thank you, Melani.
FERN HOLLAND: Fern Holland, for the record. Good morning,
everyone. Pleasure to be here. I wanted to echo my support in you folks for doing all
that you can to address this. Chair Rapozo, like you mentioned, the numbers speak
for itself, one million six hundred thousand dollars ($1,600,000). We have to do
everything, so anything that we can do to increase the supply, address the six
thousand (6,000) vacant homes that we apparently have across the board, we are not
going to waste any more time. I just wanted to voice that support. Thank you, folks.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Thank you. Is there anyone else from the
audience wishing to testify?
CASSIE JOHNSON: My name is Cassie Johnson. Aloha, and
thank you folks. I am twenty-nine (29) years old and I am from the North Shore of
Kaua`i. I did not plan on speaking this morning. This is emotional because we think
about this all the time. I was born and raised here, and I have known since I was a
child that I could never afford to live in my home or own a home here. I work with
children now. I wanted to speak because I work with children now, and have gotten
to the place in my life where I realize that it is likely impossible that not only will I
not own a home here, even though I work and aspire to provide a great life for myself
and future family. I look at the children that I work with, and I realize that most of
the children are from families that can afford to live here. While that is amazing, I
want to be able to work with more children that grew up like myself, but they cannot
afford programs to give them abilities to own a home one day. They cannot receive
support from their parents because their parents do not have the finances to place
them into any extracurricular activities that would provide them with further
resources to allow themselves the opportunity to afford a one million six hundred
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thousand dollar ($1,600,000), nine hundred thousand dollar ($900,000), or seven
hundred thousand dollar($900,000) house. I apologize for my emotions. As you know,
this is a very emotional topic, but I hope to speak knowing that this is probably going
to go through. I think that a lot of us see where this is going, but I hope that no
matter where this Bill goes, you folks keep in mind that there are many children that
realize that they will never be able to own a home here in Hawai`i. Kanaka or local,
however many generations they have lived here, they realize what their future is
going to be, but at the least, if we think about providing them with understanding
this...I did not start understanding any of this until a few years ago, and I am
twenty-nine (29) years old. If we give them the perspective at a young age, maybe
there will be a chance for the children to understand this affordable home act, how to
get into the program, and all those things. That is all that I have to add. Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Thank you.
JOELL EDWARDS: My name is Joell Edwards, resident of
Wainiha. Good morning, Councilmembers. I am going to speak today in support of
this Bill. I am going to use the voice of my son and daughter-in-law who now live in
Dallas, Texas. They are University of Hawai`i graduates with zero dollars ($0) of
debt. They had enough good grades so they are not in debt, which is remarkable.
They were also farmers in Wainiha in Kilauea. They were also small business
owners. They had everything going for them that you would say on paper. They
should be able to buy a home. They had their first baby and while their baby was in
the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) on Oahu, they received the notice that
their house was being sold and a 45-day notice. They moved to another place and got
another 45-day notice. That is when my raised his hands up and said, "Mom, we have
to leave here," taking my only grandson with him, so I implore you to think about
these kids that have grown and raised here and are working hard. It is not a lack of
hard work. Most of them are working three (3) jobs. My daughter is working
three (3)jobs, but we need to start looking out for them.
Council Chair Rapozo: I have a clarifying question. Thank you for
being here. I share your pain. My daughter lives in Austin. My son lives in Oregon.
I no longer have any kids here. You urged us to support this Bill. Can you clarify
what in this Bill makes you believe that we are going to create more inventory?
Ms. Edwards: Well, it sounded like you were going to create
more inventory. I would hope that.
Council Chair Rapozo: This Bill gives a developer an opportunity to
purchase credits and not build inventory.
Ms. Edwards: Oh, then my apologies.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: A developer would be selling the credits to
another developer, and that developer could be, as an example, the young lady from
Habitat for Humanity. Then, they will use that money to build more affordable
housing.
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Ms. Edwards: Is that in addition to the PAL program?
Committee Chair Kuali`i: We disagree, but I think it does increase
inventory.
Council Chair Rapozo: I agree. If this was a bill specifically for
Habitat for Humanity, I would have a completely different philosophy.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Habitat for Humanity was just an example.
Council Chair Rapozo: This is limited to any developer that may not
build affordable housing.
Councilmember DeCosta: I have a clarifying question. Thank you. I am
not going to give you a question to confuse you, but a question that you can answer
because I am curious. Do you see any development projects going on from Kilauea to
Ha`ena?
Ms. Edwards: No. Well, the development that we do see
happening is certainly not low-income housing. The development that we do see is
plowing of existing homes and enlarging them for folks that do not reside here full
time.
Councilmember DeCosta: Correct. The question that I want to ask is
related to the development that you see happening. That developer has the
opportunity to buy these credits and not have certain individuals like our kanaka,
those in the eighty percent (80%) AMI, or those working three (3) jobs in their
community, because they do not want to have those individuals in our community.
They prefer to have their own individuals in their community. Is that what you are
seeing on the North Shore?
Ms. Edwards: Absolutely.
Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you.
Ms. Edwards: Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Is there anyone else from the audience
wishing to testify? Seeing none, we will call the meeting back to order.
There being no further public testimony, the meeting was called back to order,
and proceeded as follows:
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, if there is nothing further, we can
make a motion to defer and come back to work on this in two (2) weeks.
Council Chair Rapozo: Could I make a short comment? I want to be
sure that I make myself clear, because it is confusing, and it is new. Currently, we
do not have this in place. There is no ability in Hawai`i to purchase and sell credits,
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but I think and I am hoping that one of the Committee members will at least look
into adding a...
Committee Chair Kuali`i: That has already been noted. Chair, I will do
that.
Council Chair Rapozo: I am making my request public that there be
a restriction or requirement that these funds generated from the sale of these credits
must be used for affordable housing. It has to be. We cannot "give away the store."
Ms. Sausen made a very good point. She said that if we want to see affordable
housing, then we need to subsidize. That is a given. What other way could we do it?
Whether it is a County, State, or Federal subsidy...if we do not subsidize, then the
price on that screen is what you will see. This Bill will remove the County's control
of those funds. Once those credits are sold...again, this is not a bill that is specifically
for Habitat for Humanity, because Habitat for Humanity is amazing and wonderful
at what they do, but this is not limited to only Habitat for Humanity. This Bill is for
any developer out there that could generate one million seven hundred thousand
dollars ($1,700,000), one million two hundred thousand dollars ($1,200,000), or one
million three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000) in sale of their credits and turn
around and build non-affordable housing. That is not restricted in this Bill, but it
needs to be. I believe that if collect the in-lieu fee from the developer...make it fair.
Increase the in-lieu fee to four hundred thousand dollars ($400,000), not one hundred
seventy-five thousand dollars ($175,000). You cannot purchase a lot for one hundred
seventy-five thousand dollars ($175,000) let alone build the infrastructure. Increase
it to four hundred thousand dollars ($400,000). Let us put that money into the
Revolving Fund that will go to Habitat for Humanity or nonprofit organizations that
will build affordable homes. That way, we have complete control over the funds. With
this Bill, we are giving away the funds. Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember Cowden, followed by
Councilmember DeCosta.
Councilmember Cowden: I am thankful that this discussion is up. I am
super thankful to see a room filled with folks from the most impacted part of our
island, which I believe to be those from Anahola to the end of the road. We have such
a profound problem with being pushed out of houses. I knew Cassie as a child, and I
have known a lot of these folks as a child. We have no place. It is so heartbreaking,
so I am supportive of what we work on to do. I appreciate what Council Chair Rapozo
said relating to transferring the money and ensuring that it goes to the County's
Housing Agency, which was the reason that I brought up the one hundred
seventy-five thousand dollars ($175,000). One hundred seventy-five thousand
dollars ($175,000) is nothing and developers will simply buy out of it, but I do like
what is in the Bill, that it has to be in same moku. It is going to stay in the same
region. We call it a zone. Thank you all for being here. You all make a difference. I
appreciate it.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember DeCosta.
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Councilmember DeCosta: Chair Rapozo always speaks volumes. It is
almost considered a ditto, but relating to the in-lieu fee of one hundred seventy-five
thousand dollars ($175,000)...he mentioned four hundred thousand
dollars ($400,000). I believe that I have a few good friends that live in`Ele`ele through
the housing provided by Habitat for Humanity. Melani, you are an excellent
Executive for Habitat for Humanity, and you folks do excellent work. I believe that
my friends purchased their home at around two hundred eighty thousand
dollars ($280,000). Even if we sell the in-lieu fee of four hundred thousand
dollars ($400,000) to the developers, you are basically giving Habitat for Humanity
one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) per home to cover all their
administrative expenses. We might have to visit that figure. I do disagree with a
comment made by Councilmember Cowden relating to keeping the funds in the same
moku. I am little worried about that because right now, the moku that has the money,
and the in-lieu fees are on the Westside. I believe that `Ele`ele has a big project. I
believe there is a project in Waimea. There might be a small project in Kilauea. I
would like to share the funds with all the moku across the island. Ha`ena and Hanalei
are just as important as those on the Westside. You all are. We are here for you.
Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, is there any other final discussion
points before take a motion to defer? I will state that our affordable housing crisis is
almost insurmountable, but the only way we are going to get to it is by trying to do
this piece and that piece. This credit system is just an attempt to incentivize more
affordable housing developments of all types, from one hundred twenty
percent (120%) to eighty percent (80%) and eighty percent (80%) and below. The one
thing that I would, yes...a nonprofit organization like Habitat for Humanity, whose
mission is to build affordable housing, and Ms. Pimental made it clear, too, she stated
eighty percent (80%) and below. They are doing it anyway, but they can do more and
better if they can receive additional funds by selling credits. The developer is also
being incentivized by being able to earn credits for doing more than what is required.
Otherwise, they will only do what is required. I think that is what happened in the
past. Yes, those developers may purchase the credits rather than build it, but
whether they build it or an entity like Habitat for Humanity builds it, it does not
necessarily matter. We simply need more units. We absolutely need more affordable
units. Whether it is workforce or AMI affordable, below eighty percent (80%), we
need all of that. This is just an attempt to create an incentive and to support more
affordable housing development. The number one probably that we all said, we have
been working on this for years, is the pricing issue. The problem is due to supply and
demand. We need more supply of all types. The government, through Federal grants,
cannot construct enough. We need everyone to build, so we are trying to incentivize
private developers, as well.
Councilmember Carvalho: Without repeating, I am looking at this as just
one more step to get to where everyone is at. We need to take every opportunity and
ensure that as we navigate through this opportunity, whether it is in Wainiha,
Kekaha, or throughout the entire island, this is just the next step to opening the door
to affordable housing with whichever resources come our way. With this particular
Bill, that is how I see it. We will get to that point, and you have the commitment
from me, but overall, I think this is the next step.
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Committee Chair Kuali`i: After this meeting end, I am committed to
working with Adam on the point that Council Chair Rapozo brought forward relating
to the requirement. I think that it was implied that this would happen, but to have
language that states it is required, I have no problem with doing that. We will do
that. Also, relating to increasing the in-lieu fee, I think during the previous meeting
there was a lot of sentiment regarding that, but that will be a separate bill. As the
Committee Chair for Housing & Intergovernmental Relations, I will work on that as
well. At this time, I would like to take a motion and second for a deferral, which
means that this Bill would come back again to our Committee Meeting in two (2)
weeks.
Councilmember Carvalho moved to defer Bill No. 2914 as amended to Bill
No. 2914, Draft 1, seconded by Councilmember Cowden, and carried by a vote
of 4:0:1 (Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Committee Chair Kuali`i: The motion carries. Bill No. 2914 has been
deferred.
Bill No. 2915 A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 7A,
ARTICLE 5, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED,
RELATING TO HOUSING ELIGIBILITY AND SELECTION
(This item was Deferred.)
(Councilmember Kagawa was noted as not present.)
Councilmember Cowden moved to recommend approval of Bill No. 2915 on
second and final reading, seconded by Councilmember Carvalho.
Councilmember Cowden: I do have an amendment.
Councilmember Carvalho moved to amend Bill No. 2915, as circulated, and as
shown in the Floor Amendment, which is attached hereto and incorporated
herein as Attachment 2, seconded by Councilmember DeCosta.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: It sounds like we have three (3) different
amendments. Let us start with Councilmemebr Carvalho. This first amendment was
based on concerns from the last Committee Meeting, coming from the Housing
Director to try and address those concerns. I think those concerns were raised by
Councilmember DeCosta. Would you like to speak on this amendment? This relates
to the preferences, fifty percent (50%).
There being no objections, the rules were suspended.
Mr. Roversi: Aloha, Committee Chair and
Councilmembers. Adam Roversi, Housing Director for the County, for the record.
The proposed amendment to section (4)...first quick context. This Bill is dealing with
the selection process of homebuyers when the County specially has affordable
housings for sale or when County requires a private developer to develop homes and
they are required to sell those under the County's Home Buyer' system. This affects
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the process of selecting individuals from the existing Home Buyer list, which now is
roughly about one thousand two hundred (1,200) individuals. The proposed
amendment to section (4) would allow the County to implement the preferences that
are contained within the Bill up to fifty percent (50%) of the units that are available
for sale in a particular project. Prior to this amendment, it allowed the preference to
be applied to all the homes in the project, so this limits the preference to be applied
to fifty percent (50%) of the project. This was developed in response to a concern that
was expressed during the last meeting. Currently, the Home Buyer list is based on
who signed up first. It is a first-come, first-served basis system irrespective of where
an individual currently lives or works, and life situation. The preferences that were
proposed in the original bill, the main bill, allowed prioritizing the individuals on the
list based on the location of the individual's current housing situation and
employment. For example, if there were homes for sale in Waimea, the Bill as a whole
would have provided preferences for those who currently live, have immediate family,
or work in Waimea. It was expressed during the previous meeting that we have a lot
of individuals that have been on the first-come, first-served list for some time. By
establishing this preference on one hundred percent (100%) of this project,
essentially, we are stepping over some of those individuals that have been waiting.
Basically, this fifty percent (50%) limit says that for at least half(1/2) of the houses,
we are going to stick with the first-come, first-served system, honoring the existing
the list and its priorities, but for fifty percent (50%) of the homes, we are able to
respond to the community concerns that I have heard repeatedly of ensuring that a
project that is developed in a community is at least partly tailored to serve that
community and not people from elsewhere. This is an attempt to do both.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Yes, and these preferences are in addition to
how the list was established in the first place, which are income qualifications, the
eighty percent (80%) AMI and below, Kaua`i residency, and being a first-time
home-buyer.
Mr. Roversi: To clarify, almost correct. There is no income
requirement to place yourself on the Home Buyer list in the first instance. Income
comes into play depending on the homes that are for sale eventually and depending
on the sources of funding to build the homes. The homes are offered at different price
points, so that is when the income requirements come into play, when you go to
purchase the home. It is not an issue to get on the list in the first place.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: One last thing, is the list at six hundred
ninety (690)?
Mr. Roversi: We have just under one thousand two
hundred (1,200) in total. We consider several hundred of those on the Home Buyer
list to be inactive because the mail gets returned. They have not updated their
address, so we have no way of contacting those individuals. We have a ballpark of
nine hundred (900) active participants on the Home Buyer list. That is a best guess
based on the active and inactive.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Go ahead, Councilmember DeCosta.
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Councilmember DeCosta: I believe that a lot of this arose because I
asked you those questions. I heard those same concerns from the community that
you are hearing about with Waimea and Kilauea. They are wanting their people in
their geographic areas, and I stated that I believe that the person on the list that has
been on the list the longest should have that preference. Now, explain to me...I have
the same amendment coming up so we can "kill two (2) birds with one stone." With
this amendment, we are going to take fifty percent (50%) of the thirty (30) homes that
are going to be built at eighty percent (80%) AMI. Fifty percent (50%) is fifteen (15).
Fifteen (15) of those homes are going to first be offered to those on the seniority list,
so those who were on the list since 1985 and are first on the list, will be first on the
list and will receive a call. Am I correct? Simple "yes" or "no."
Mr. Roversi: Yes, they will get the first option.
Councilmember DeCosta: Keep it simple. The other fifty percent (50%)
need to be on the Home Buyer list and will have the preference on where to live
depending on home address and employment location.
Mr. Roversi: Correct.
Councilmember DeCosta: Perfect. Then, we are satisfying two (2)
groups of people, and no one is being chosen over another because in the old version,
we could bypass the seniority list and place individuals in all the homes based on
whether the person lived or worked in the geographic area. Is that correct?
Mr. Roversi: It was up to the old project. It did not require
a preference for every home.
Councilmember DeCosta: Right, but are we satisfying that with the fifty
percent (50%)?
Mr. Roversi: Correct. The only thing that I would point out
in the statement that you made is that we do not always offer homes only to those in
the eighty percent (80%) AMI and below. We do provide homes at higher income
levels, too.
Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you for that. I am sorry if I was wrong,
but I like what it does now. Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I appreciate that this basically overlaps with
what my amendment was going to be, and I appreciate the improvement that was
would probably come from Councilmember Carvalho. Could you explain the fourth
priority on page 3 and page 4? I think is very important and it also replaced the...
Committee Chair Kuali`i: That would be the third, ABC, correct?
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Councilmember Cowden: It states, "Fourth Priority — Essential
Workers Preferences. Essential Worker providing critical community services such
as health care, public safety, emergency first response, education, and provision of
maintenance of necessary community infrastructure." This is saying that they are
one of the prioritizations that create some sort of number that helps to determine who
goes into that call list on that fifty percent (50%).
Mr. Roversi: Would you like me to speak generally about
that preference category?
Councilmember Cowden: Yes, both that preference category on the
bottom of page 3 and the bottom of page 4, item (3).
Mr. Roversi: Prior to these amendments, in the original
Bill, there was a provision. Let me share a little quick background. Broadly speaking,
the Bill establishes our ability to provide a selection preference to individuals who
live and work in the geographic area of the housing project. In the original version,
there was a "catch-all" category that allowed the Housing Agency to develop
administrative rules to create other preferences, but it did not specify those
administrative rules. We did discuss in the last meeting that the intent of the
administrative rules provision was because we wanted to develop a description of an
essential worker category, so we could provide the same sort of preference to specific
categories of employees that provide essential services to the community such as
firemen, teachers, medical service workers, etcetera.
(Councilmember Kagawa was noted as present.)
The amendment that is before you eliminates the general authority to create
administrative rules to establish preferences because there were concerns about that.
Now, it specifies what was discussed before. We want to add in a preference for up
to fifty percent (50%) of the units in a project, not all units as we just discussed, for
those in that essential workers category in addition to those who already reside in
that area. The reason that this appears throughout this amendment is because there
are multiple scenarios in which selection preferences are provided. The very section,
Section "A", deals with the selection of buyers within the County's Home Buyer list.
This does not come up for County projects so much, but in a situation where the
Housing Agency is requiring a private developer to develop for sale housing. They
are required in the first instance to select buyers from the Home Buyer list. In that
case, they would be in Section 1. If they go through the entire Home Buyer list and
cannot find any ready, willing, and able buyers for their homes, then they are allowed
to offer homes for sale through a lottery process to Kaua`i residents that may not be
on the Home Buyer list. The reason that same language relating to essential work
appears in Section "2", and you only get to that point if the developer has exhausted
the Home Buyer list. Then, it appears another time in the section for rental housing.
This first part, Section "1", deals only with homes that are for sale, individuals that
are on the Home Buyer list. Section "2" addresses only the category of lottery use, if
the Home Buyer list has already been exhausted. The third section deals with the
selection process of individuals for rental projects. It is not required, but each section
contains the same exact language that allows a potential preference for essential
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workers. Again, restricting the application of any of the preferences,just fifty percent
(50%) of the units in a project, so we are still respecting the first-come, first-served
priority for those who have been on the Home Buyer list for some time.
Councilmember Cowden: Well, I want to say that I appreciate that and
I think that it strengthens, and is better than my amendment. I also noticed this
amendment takes out the grammatical and spelling errors.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember DeCosta.
Councilmember DeCosta: My question is based on one of our
discussions. I think that it is important for all the constituents currently listening.
You mentioned essential workers, and essential workers are a big thing on Kaua`i.
You mentioned several categories, policemen, firemen, and medical nurses. I do not
know of an essential worker fireman or policeman that came to Kaua`i within the last
year, but I did see a bunch of nurses that came. There were a lot, and they are called
travel nurses. My question for you is relating to traveling nurses coming from the
mainland. Until we have the fifty percent (50%) category in place, how simple would
it be for a traveling nurse, categorized into the essential worker category that you
mentioned, to be placed on the Home Buyer list and be ready to purchase a house?
That was part of our discussion, to ensure that those with seniority are chosen for
half (1/2) of the list. How simple would it be for a traveling nurse as an essential
worker to be placed on that Home Buyer list? Tell me right now.
Mr. Roversi: After someone moves to Kaua`i and declares
Kaua`i as their primary residence, it would probably take about two (2) or three (3)
months to qualify onto the Home Buyer list.
Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you. These traveling nurses are
contracted for ninety (90) days, three (3) months. Do you folks know that there are a
number of traveling nurses at Wilcox Medical Center? Did you know that our Kauai
Community College (KCC) graduates do not get a job as a nurse. They have to move
away to obtain at least two (2) or three (3) years of experience. Whereas, an
electrician, plumber, or carpenter apprentice on Kaua`i can find a job today and work
to become full-time. After graduating from a nationally renowned college at KCC
with some of the best instructors, our graduate nurses cannot find a job. Do you
know the reason? Large companies can hire private nurses to fly to Kauai to work a
90-day contract and then, these traveling nurses are able to sign up on the Home
Buyer list. Companies can market the Home Buyer list to potential employees...I am
finishing my discussion, then I will ask him my question.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmemebr DeCosta, you are making a
speech. Please ask the question.
Councilmember DeCosta: Is it possible that this process can be made for
traveling nurses to get on your Home Buyer list?
Mr. Roversi: Anyone that moves to Kaua`i, becomes a
resident, and is over eighteen (18) years of age can be placed on the Home Buyer list.
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Councilmember DeCosta: You answered my question. Thank you,
Adam. I needed to put some preference before the question.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, are there any further questions for
our Housing Director? With the example of the traveling nurse in mind, if their
assignment ended in three (3) months and they left, they would have to remain a
resident. If they got onto the Home Buyer list, they would be at the bottom of the
list, say 1,001.
Mr. Roversi: They would be at the bottom of the Home
Buyer list. They would also have to own no other real estate. That was another
requirement prior to signing up on the Home Buyer list. You can not own real estate
anywhere else. If a traveling nurse owned something in another state, they would
not be able to be on the Home Buyer list.
Council Chair Rapozo: I have a clarifying comment. There is no
bottom of the list with a preference, right?
Mr. Roversi: The way that we envision that it would
operate, say that we have...it establishes a preference within the existing Home
Buyer list. If there are three (3) firemen, they would each receive a preference, but
those who have been on the list the longest would still be at the top of that group. If
we were for a particular project, electing to provide a preference for people, for fire
department employees.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: When you are providing...you have multiple
preferences, right? If they meet more than one, do they receive a higher score? How
does it measure out?
Mr. Roversi: No, the way we envision it for administrative
ease is that a preference is a preference. Let us use a concrete example where we are
building a project in Waimea. Within this system, there is a preference for those who
work in the community, a preference for those who already live in the community,
and we elect to impose a preference for nurses, because the Kaua`i Veterans Memorial
Hospital (KVMH) needs more nurses. All those individuals would have the same
preference, that would shift to where they are on the existing Home Buyer list as a
group. It does not give them two (2) points because they happen to be a nurse and
live in the community.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Additionally, a preference is not valued any
more than any other preference. It is simply that if you have a preference then, you
move above someone without any preferences.
Mr. Roversi: Correct.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: While still following the placement of the list.
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Mr. Roversi: Right. Even within these preferences
categories, the first-come, first-served nature of the Home Buyer list is reflected to
some extent, assuming that there are multiple people with preferences on that list.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, are there any further questions?
Are we all okay with his explanation of how the essential worker language appears
in those three (3) different areas? As far as this amendment goes, that is all. Are
there any further questions on this amendment? If not, let us have a final discussion
on the amendment.
There being no objections, the meeting was called back to order, and proceeded
as follows.
Councilmember DeCosta: I like this amendment. I know that
Committee Chair Kuali`i and Councilmember Carvalho had a discussion with the
Housing Director, but this was my amendment also. I put this in for the exact reason
that I made that earlier statement...sorry if I was not leading up to my question, but
eventually, I did up crafting it into a question. Basically, the essential workers are
folks that come in from the mainland. They are not Hawai`i residents. They are
mainlanders that come to work. I am going to use nurses as an example, because my
wife is a nurse working at KVMH. There are a lot of nurses that fly in from the
mainland. Wilcox Medical Center and KVMH have travel nurses. Why? We need
them. Why? We do not hire nursing graduates from KCC. The Housing Director
stated that it is almost a three-month process. In fact, I think they can get on the
Home Buyer list online. They can call their traveling nurse friend who is already on
Kaua`i as a resident, request that friend to pretend that they were roommates to
provide proof of Kaua`i residency and eventually, be put onto the Home Buyer list.
After ninety (90) days, that company or hospital can use the County's Home Buyer
list as an advertisement to those traveling nurses to stay on island. With the
affordable housing project in Kilauea, Waimea, or `Ele`ele, they will be able to
potentially purchase a house. How great would it be to place a traveling nurse from
Oklahoma into our community? We have young local KCC nursing graduate
students. If they were hired, they would have a job. Then they would have the
financial ability to be one of the individuals to purchase a house, but they cannot.
The reason why I would support this amendment is that at least fifty percent (50%)
of the list would be those on the seniority list. The other fifty percent (50%) of the list
would be used to bring in essential workers and/or those who already live in the
geographic area. I am going to be supporting this, but I want to make this statement
clear about the sort of people that could come if we are not careful on how we craft
our language. I like to look deeply into the language. Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Are there any other members with final
discussion?
Council Chair Rapozo: I have a quick discussion point as a
non-committee member. Have you ever been in line at the airport and have someone
tap you on the shoulder to move up in the line? You moved up in line because it was
a pilot or crew member and they were allowed to "cut." Adam, I feel horrible today,
because I appreciate what you do and I know the intent of this Bill. I forgot the name
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of the girl who received the 45-day notice from her rental. Is she still here? She spoke
earlier. How many families have had that happen? I know that I have in my family
where in the last three (3) years, they have lived in five (5) locations all over this
island. I have a nephew who was originally from Kapa'a and moved to Lihu`e. Then,
they sold the house and moved back to Wailua, sold the house again and moved back
with his entire family because there were no rentals. We all come from different
areas. We have individuals that have been on that list for a while and some of them
are at the threshold of possibly purchasing a house through the County Housing
program, but when you start to put preferences...where is the geographic preference
for the gal that has moved three (3) times in the last year? The person would like to
live in this area, but since there are no houses, they are forced to live where there is
availability. I am struggling with the fact, and I know that the amendment with the
fifty percent (50%) makes it better. I appreciate that, but that does not level the
playing field. Fifty percent (50%) of that list could still be cut. I think that if someone
is on the list and met the requirement by going through the course and doing
everything that was needed, then it should be your choice when the housing projects
come up. I had a family discussion with my wife and kids about purchasing our first
home ever, but it is in Waimea, Kilauea, or Kapa`a. I asked them if they wanted to
move because it is the only choice that we may ever have. I may not get that shot,
and no disrespect to nurses, firemen, policemen, or whoever, but I did what I needed
to do get onto the list, and I have been on that list. I do not think that it is fair that
someone might have a preference over me simply due to their profession or because
one of that individual's family members lives in that area. One of the geographical
preferences is having immediate family members in the area. Then there would be
me who has been sitting on the list for the last two and a half(2%) years, having to
wait again. I have a fundamental issue with the fairness of this Bill. When I spoke
with Adam, I understood the benefits of this. If you keep individuals near the
employment area, then you are saving them from getting onto the road and driving
in traffic. There are pros and cons, but I think fairness for me is a top issue. I think
that we will be removing individuals from an opportunity that I believe may be their
only chance in their life to own a home. To be honest with you, I am torn. I am sort
of inclined to leave it up to the list, original language where calls are made in the
order of the list, and those called can make the determination on whether they want
to move or not. Some folks are going to lose their shot. Thank you, Committee Chair.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember Cowden.
Councilmember Cowden: I appreciate what Chair Rapozo had to say.
Again, I am also thankful to have the room filled with what we would call Zone 5,
which is the end of the road on the North Shore. This is the most expensive area.
When I saw North Shore before, I did not know what it is this week, but it was two
million seven hundred thousand dollars ($2,700,000). It was even higher and what
we are doing is we are completely "gutting" our whole community, and it is not even
just Ha`ena and Hanalei, it is Anahola and North. We had a testifier state that she
did not even know about these things. Whenever I am in the grocery store, I tell
individuals all the time "Kauai.gov/housing." Everyone in this room, get your names
on the list. Most people do not know what is on the list. They do not even know that
this list exists. I have to almost sit with people to put them onto the list. We have
crazy expensive costs for everything that we want to buy up there, because there are
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not enough employees for a restaurant to be open more than four (4) shifts a week.
They can not begin to keep their businesses open, so they have to charge much more.
I buy my gas, food, everything right in that area to try and keep those businesses
open. Without this preference, people do not...you said people can drive, they do not
want to drive from Hanamd'ulu to Hanalei. They are not going to do it, so we just do
not even have it. I do not mean to have emotion. I appreciate what Councilmemebr
Carvalho amendment says, the statement that Council Chair Rapozo made. This
month, I also lost my kid and grandkids to the continental United States, essential
worker, largely because of economics, so I am in that pain. I feel you; I hear you. I
am with you, and I am going to support this amendment.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, is there any further final discussion
on the amendment?
Councilmember Kagawa: Thank you, Committee Chair. As a
non-committee member, when I think about fairness, I think about the situation that
happened last week where we purchased from Community Development Block
Grant (CDBG). It was seven hundred ninety-five thousand dollars ($795,000) for the
house because it was eighty percent (80%) AMI and below. I think the mortgage is
going to be two hundred thirty thousand dollars ($230,000). You are looking at about
a five hundred thousand dollar ($500,000) subsidy from the County, or the Federal
money that the County is receiving. That is five hundred thousand dollars ($500,000)
to help one (1) family. We have nine thousand (9,000) families in need on Kaua`i.
That is how short we are. When we care for one, I think of the fairness for the eight
thousand ninety-nine (8,999) that may never get called. We are far below this. Yes,
it is going to take a multi-problem approach, but we have a serious inventory problem
and that is the only way that we are going to make a significant debt in this problem.
It is not only about the North Shore, it is everywhere, the Westside, Lihu`e...if they
do not have significant help from their families while looking for homes, then they
are struggling. As Council Chair Rapozo stated last week, he went on a trip to visit
his daughter, and saw the beautiful house selling for two hundred eighty-nine
thousand dollars ($289,000) in the outskirts of Austin. On Kaua`i, you can not even
build a simple, nice one thousand two hundred (1,200) square foot house with a pool
for less than four hundred fifty thousand dollars ($450,000). That is how expensive
the materials are to ship here and the cost a labor. We are somehow really getting
robbed by the shipping companies and by those that sell materials. We are getting
"jipped" big time. That with the shortage of supply is causing that to be one million
three hundred thousand dollars ($1,300,000) more than a home in the mainland. It
is a system that is not working from the federal government, all the way down. When
they ask about what the problems are, it is the government. If the government would
get out of the way, then things would get better. We need to somehow fix that issue.
To me, Adam's amendment makes sense in cases where we grew up,
generations here...I know all the Westside families that need housing are possibly in
areas like Pakala or Kaumakani. If we had a Westside affordable housing project,
you would want to have flexibility to give those individuals that have been living
there for generations a chance to purchase the house, not choose someone from
Kapa'a with all their family in Kapa'a and work in Kapa'a or Lihu`e. It does not make
sense for those individuals to get a house on the Westside, or become the only one in
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their family to live on the Westside. On Kaua`i, we are built on family, `ohana. You
do not want a Westside person being first on the list for an affordable housing project
in Kilauea, but they are going to take it. They are going to take it if the opportunity
is presented, but it does not make sense. A Kilauea project should go to a North Shore
family that was raised and have a chance to remain there at affordable price. In some
ways, I like the flexibility of it, but I do not like the politics of it sometimes because
what you want to see come out in the end may not necessarily come through, who is
working there, who knows who. If you get the politics out of the way, this would be a
great amendment. I feel that those first on a list is...you want to be fair in that way,
but sometimes, there are other ways that are not fair, as well. You need to consider
those things just as important. It is not only fair because you are the first in a line.
It should be fair according to what makes sense for the island. If someone works
down at Pacific Missile Range Facility (PMRF), that individual should receive a place
on the Westside. Is someone going to drive from Lihu`e or Kapa'a all the way to PMRF
every day? I think in those ways, I would prefer housing to have some flexibility, but
hopefully, when the Housing Agency has the flexibility, they do it right and fair, as
you say in our word, right? That is all I have to say. I am not on the Committee, but
I will be like, Council Chair Rapozo, struggling with the vote on the amendment.
Thank you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Members, do you have any other final
discussion?
Councilmember Carvalho: I appreciate the discussion, and I think the
heavy discussion from everyone, but I find the flexibility and opportunity to move it
to the next level. I know there are a lot of things we need to do, like working closely
with the Housing Agency and taking some of the recommendations, not just doing
things on our own, but overall, I think that we are moving in the right direction. The
bigger picture is forthcoming, and more opportunities will come. That is how I see it.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Councilmember DeCosta.
Councilmember DeCosta: The last point that I would like to make, since
we do have North Shore, Zone 5 "in the house," and Councilmember Kagawa
mentioned the Westside, not sure if that is Zone 2.
Councilmember Cowden: Zone 1.
Councilmember DeCosta: Thank you for that. I do not really look at
myself as your zone Councilmember. I am a zone islandwide Councilmember.
Kilauea, has a small development coming up, not sure how many houses. Adam, you
do know because you live in Kilauea. Waimea has a development coming up. We
know this because two (2) of us are from the Westside, but when I look at the
geographic land available land on the island to build, the North Shore might be the
last place that we may have a County project on, because the North Shore land is out
of reach. If you head to Lihu`e or`Ele`ele, hopefully we can speak with the Robinsons,
there might be more projects. The reason why I spoke with Adam on this fifty
percent (50%) seniority list was to look after the North Shore, as well as the those
that live in the geographic area, because once the project is complete and if you are
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not willing to buy a home in Kilauea within the next five (5) to seven (7) years and
you are on the seniority list, but we do not have this amendment put in place and
there is only a geographic area that you live and work, you might never have an
opportunity to move even on Westside house. This is a perfect amendment to satisfy
both groups of people from all over the island to ensure that people at the top of the
list get the call first. If not, then the geographic area and the work area can be taken
into consideration. I believe that this is a "lesser of two (2) evils," let me say. Thank
you.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Thank you. For my final comments, I will just
say that the amendment addresses the concerns brought forward in our meeting
two (2) weeks ago and makes the Bill better. I am obviously going to support the
amendment. It does sound like there are still some concerns. After we pass this
amendment, I am going to recommend that we defer to work on this Bill further in
the next two (2) weeks with the Housing Director on any further amendments. I also
want to clarify that the essential workers are all workers providing critical
community services such as healthcare, public safety, emergency first response, and
education. That includes all police, firemen, doctors, nurses, paramedics, and
teachers, not just any that just come here, but the ones that were born and raised
here as well. This is a preference for all essential workers.
The motion to amend Bill No. 2915, as circulated, and as shown in the Floor
Amendment, which is attached hereto, and incorporated herein as
Attachment 2 was then put, and carried by a vote of:
FOR AMENDMENT: Carvalho, Cowden, DeCosta, Kuali`i TOTAL— 4,
AGAINST AMENDMENT: None TOTAL — 0,
EXCUSED & NOT VOTING: Bulosan TOTAL— 1,
RECUSED & NOT VOTING: None TOTAL — O.
Committee Chair Kuali`i: Is there anyone else wishing to testify on the
Bill as amended?
There being no objections, the rules were suspended to take public testimony.
CHLOE CASADOS: I am new here. To give a little bit of context,
I am a Wainiha resident. I own a business in Hanalei and I am a proud KCC
graduate. I was wondering if maybe with the preferences, you were talking about
language, could we possibly expand to what an essential worker would be for those
categories as far as like looking at more people in the service industry, restaurant
workers, and folks that are involved in the community? I feel that a lot of them are
on that list, and they are the ones that need the most help. While they might not
seem like "essential workers," and I am not trying to discredit the other essential
workers that save lives and things of that sort, but as someone that is constantly
having folks move and leave for better opportunities, I do strongly feel that as a
restaurant owner, that it is going to feel essential soon when we do not have someone
at the gas station or grocery store to do those things. Could we possibly, focusing on
the language, possibly open that language to expand on the fairness as far trying to
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give those that are already embedded in the community an opportunity to get those
spots?
There being no further testimony, the meeting was called back to order, and
proceeded as follows:
Committee Chair Kuali`i: If members have nothing further, then I will
ask for a motion to defer and a second.
Councilmember Carvalho moved to defer Bill No. 2914 as amended to Bill
No. 2914, Draft 1, seconded by Councilmember Cowden, and carried by a vote
of 4:0:1 (Councilmember Bulosan was excused).
Committee Chair Kuali`i: There being no further business for the
Housing & Intergovernmental Relations Committee, we are adjourned.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 10:12 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Shari L. Rabaino
Council Services Assistant I
APPROVED at the Committee Meeting held on May 22, 2024:
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Chair, HIR Committee
Attachment 1
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FLOOR AMENDMENT
Bill No. 2914,A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 7A,ARTICLE 9,
KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO GOVERNMENT
ASSISTANCE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING
Introduced by: BERNARD P. CARVALHO, JR., Councilmember (By Request)
Amend Bill No. 2914, SECTION 2, in its entirety to read as follows:
"SECTION 2. Chapter 7A, Article 9 (Government Assistance for
Workforce Housing), Kaua`i County Code 1987, as amended, is hereby amended by
adding a new Subsection 7A-9.4.1, as follows:
"Sec. 7A-9.4.1 Residential Workforce Housing Credits.
(a) The Housing Agency may issue credits, upon request by a
developer, provided that:
(1) Each workforce unit constructed in the subject development
shall be encumbered by a recorded deed restriction that meets the
requirements of this Chapter.
(2) Each residential workforce unit shall be sold or rented to an
income qualified individual.
(3) Credits may only be issued for each residential workforce
housing unit sold or rented to an income eligible individual in the
appropriate income group, that is in excess of the residential workforce
housing otherwise required in this Chapter.
(4) For units sold or rented to income eligible individuals
earning one hundred twenty percent(120%)or less of Kaua`i Median Area
Income, only [seventy-five percent(75%)] fifty percent(50%)of the excess
workforce units sold or rented shall be eligible for credits.
(5) For projects sold or rented to income eligible individuals
earning eighty percent (80%)or less of Kaua`i Median Area Income, all of
the excess workforce units sold or rented shall be eligible for credits.
(b) A credit may satisfy the requirement for any type of unit
constructed for any income group in accordance with the requirements of
Article 2.
(c) The number of credits issued shall be set forth in a workforce
housing agreement.
(d) Credits may be transferred to other developers to satisfy [part or
all] up to fifty percent (50%) of the workforce housing requirements imposed on
them, provided that the developer receiving the credits may only utilize the
credits subject to the geographic requirements set out in Section 7A-2.5.
(e) The original recipient or holder of housing credits shall be required
to report the transfer of credits to any other developer or project.
(f) If the project applying for the excess credits was developed with a
direct subsidy from the federal, state, or county governments, the Director shall
either: (1) discount the excess credits earned by the value of the subsidy, or (2)
require that the Agency or other public entity subsidizing the project share
equitably in the proceeds from the transfer of the excess credits."
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material to be added is underscored.
Amendment material is highlighted.)
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FLOOR AMENDMENT
Bill No. 2915, A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 7A,
ARTICLE 5, KAUAI COUNTY CODE 1987, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO
HOUSING ELIGIBILITY AND SELECTION
Introduced by: BERNARD P. CARVALHO, JR., Councilmember (By Request)
1. Amend Bill No. 2915, SECTION 1, in its entirety to read as follows:
"SECTION 1. Chapter 7A, Section 7A-5.2 (For-Sale Housing),
Kaua`i County Code 1987, as amended, is hereby amended, as follows:
"(a) General Provisions.
(1) Qualified Buyers. All County housing programs, including
workforce housing developments required by this Chapter, which assist
residents to become fee simple or leasehold homeowners, are restricted to
qualified buyers, as defined herein, except where sales may become market
sales pursuant to Section 7A-6.1(j).
(2) Application. Each program or project shall establish interested
households for that program or project by requiring the interested household
to submit a written application provided or approved by the Housing Agency
and any other documents required by the Housing Agency to establish
eligibility.
(3) Eligibility. The Housing Agency shall review all purchase
applications to determine eligibility pursuant to the specific program or project
eligibility criteria established for that program or project.
(A) Income qualification shall be determined on gross annual
income and based on documentation provided by the housing applicant,
including the three (3) most current pay stubs and the two (2) most
currently filed Federal income tax returns from all employed adults in
the applicant's household.
(B) Kaua`i residency shall be determined on documentation
provided by the applicant that indicates the applicant has a residence
address on the Island of Kaua`i.
(C) Not owning real estate suitable for residential purposes
shall be determined primarily from documentation provided by the
housing applicant and may be verified by the Housing Agency.
(4) Preferences. The Housing Agency may approve various
preferences for up to fifty percent (50%) of the units for sale in a project to
prioritize otherwise eligible applicants including:
(A) Project Employee Preferences. Workforce housing units
built by a developer for projects that generate workforce housing
requirements may be sold with a preference to employees of the project.
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(B) Geographical Preferences. One (1) or more geographical
preferences may be imposed giving preference to qualified residents that
live in a specified geographical area surrounding or adjacent to the
project or that are employed within a specific geographical area
surrounding or adjacent to the project. A geographical preference may
also be extended to qualified residents whose immediate family lives in
a specified geographical area surrounding or adjacent to the project[; or]
[(C) Other preferences to be established by rule.]
(C) Essential Worker Preferences. Essential Worker providing
critical community services such as health care, public safety,
emergency first response, education, and the provision and maintenance
of necessary community infrastructure.
(b) Selection. The selection list or lists shall be utilized by the developer to
determine the numerical order to offer to sell workforce housing units to qualified
buyers. Selection lists shall be established as follows:
(1) All applicable housing units shall first be offered to individuals
on the mortgage-ready Kaua`i resident home-buyer list, in the order of their
home-buyer number, subject to any preferences, and who otherwise qualify
pursuant to any project-specific qualifying criteria, before any housing units
are offered for sale to qualified buyers not on the mortgage-ready home-buyer
list.
(2) After all individuals on the mortgage-ready home-buyer list have
had an opportunity to purchase, a public lottery shall be conducted to establish
a selection list for any project that anticipates more applicants than the
number of housing units available. If the number of housing units available is
equal to or greater than the number of anticipated applicants, selection may
be established by a first-come, first-served basis or by lottery.
(A) The decision to utilize either the lottery or the
first-come, first-served process shall be determined by the developer
prior to the sales notice date.
(B) A lottery that has multiple preferences shall include all
applicants in a single lottery. The selection list will be produced by
applying applicant preferences and lottery numbers to sort all
applicants into a selection list that has:
(i) The qualified buyer applicant with the lowest
selection number (first) being a household that has the highest
and the most preferences available and has the lowest lottery
number, and
(ii) The qualified buyer applicant with the highest
selection number (last) being a household that has no preferences
and the highest lottery number.
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(C) In a project that utilizes the first-come, first-served
method, the developer shall utilize sorting method as utilized with a
lottery, but substitute the date and time of receipt of a completed
application in place of a lottery number to establish the numerical order.
(D) Projects that are developed in phases shall phase their
respective restricted marketing periods and phase their respective
application and selection processes.
(c) Priorities and Preferences for Sales by Lottery. After all applicable
housing units in a project have been first offered for sale to all residents on the
mortgage-ready home-buyer list, a development using a lottery to determine sales
sequence for other buyers shall sort the lottery list by giving applicants priority as
follows:
(1) First Priority—Homeownership Education. The first opportunity
to purchase a workforce for-sale housing unit after home-buyer list residents
have had the opportunity to purchase shall be given to income qualified buyers
that have completed a qualified homeownership education course, as
determined by the Housing Agency, consisting of at least eight (8) hours of
classroom education, plus credit and mortgage ready counseling. To receive the
homeownership education priority, a qualified buyer shall register with the
Housing Agency and provide the Housing Agency with a copy of their
homeownership education class graduation certificate. The Housing Agency
shall determine which providers of homeownership education have the
curriculum that qualifies graduates for the homeownership priority.
(2) Second Priority—Project Employee Preferences. Fifty
percent (50%) of the total workforce housing units built by the developer for
projects that generate workforce housing requirements of twenty (20) housing
units or more shall be sold with a preference to employees of the developer and
employees within the development area of the project as determined by the
Housing Agency.
(3) Third Priority—Geographical Preferences. One (1) or more
geographical preferences may be imposed on the required workforce housing
units giving preference to qualified residents that live in a specified
geographical area surrounding or adjacent to the project or that are employed
within a specific geographical area surrounding or adjacent to the project. A
geographical preference may also be extended to qualified residents whose
immediate family lives in a specified geographical area surrounding or
adjacent to the project.
(4) Fourth Priority—Essential Worker Preferences. Essential
Worker providing critical community services such as health care, public
safety, emergency first response, education, and the provision and
maintenance of necessary community infrastructure.
[(4)] (5) A project that is assisted with government financing may
disregard any priority or preference provided by this Chapter that violates
Federal fair housing law."
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2. Amend Bill No. 2915, SECTION 2 in its entirety to read as follows:
"SECTION 2. Chapter 7A, Section 7A-5.3(b)[(2)] (Rental Housing),
Kaua`i County Code 1987, as amended, is hereby amended, as follows:
(b) Priorities and Preferences.
(1) First Priority—Project Employee Preferences. Fifty percent of the
total workforce housing units built by the developer for projects that generate
workforce housing requirements of 20 housing units or more shall be rented
with a preference to employees of the developer and employees within the
development area of the project as determined by the Housing Agency.
(2) Second Priority—Geographical Preferences. At initial occupancy,
one (1) or more geographical preferences may be imposed on the required
workforce housing units giving preference to qualified residents that live in a
specified geographical area surrounding or adjacent to the project or that are
employed within a specific geographical area surrounding or adjacent to the
project. A geographical preference may also be extended to qualified residents
whose immediate family lives in a specified geographical area surrounding or
adjacent to the project.
[(3) A project that is assisted with government financing may
disregard any priority or preference provided by this Chapter that violates
Federal fair housing law.]
(3) Third Priority—Essential Worker Preferences. Essential Worker
providing critical community services such as health care, public safety,
emergency first response, education, and the provision and maintenance of
necessary community infrastructure.
(4) A project that is assisted with government financing may
disregard any priority or preference provided by this Chapter that violates
Federal fair housing law."
(Material to be deleted is bracketed. New material to be added is underscored.
Amendment material is highlighted.)
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