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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSUB Feb 9 2010 minutesKAUAI PLANNING COMMISSION SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE MEETING February 9, 2010 The regular meeting of the Planning Commission Subdivision Committee was called to order by Chair, Mr. James Nishida at 9:35 a.m., at the Lihue Civic Center, Mo'ikeha Building, in Meeting Room 2A -213. The following Committee members were present: Mr. Jan Kimura Mr. James Nishida Absent and excused: Ms. Camilla Matsumoto Discussion of the meeting, in effect, ensued: APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA On motion made by Jan Kimura and seconded by James Nishida, to approve the agenda, motion carried unanimously by voice vote. GENERAL BUSINESS MATTERS There were no general business matters. COMMUNICATIONS There were no communications. UNFINISHED BUSINESS There was no unfinished business. NEW BUSINESS Tentative Subdivision Extension Request, S- 96 -30, Kikiaoloa Land Company, Ltd, 4 -lot Subdivision, TMK: 1 -2- 06:42: 1-6-08:04,12, Waimea, Kaua'i. Tentative Subdivision Extension Request, S- 2001 -22, Kikiaoloa Land Company, Ltd, 9- lot Subdivision, TMK: 1 -2- 06:09, 20, Kikiaoloa, Kaua'i. Tentative Subdivision Extension Request, S- 2001 -29, Kikiaoloa Land Company, Ltd, 4- lot Subdivision, TMK: 1-2-06:03, 4 1. Kikiaoloa, Kauai. Staff Planner Dale Cua: These three applications all involve the same applicant that they are more or less in the general vicinity of each other. You can handle them... Chair: We will ask questions for the whole thing and we will vote one by one. Staff: Correct. Chair: Do you want to talk about this request first? Staff: Basically the report is contained in your packet and in the staff report it identifies the extension request and also included with this extension request is a status report regarding each subdivision application. And each application identifies the project area and also included is a copy of the subdivision map. Chair: Do you guys want to make a presentation on any of these? I have some questions on this. Mr. Kimura: So do I, my question is you guys had tentative approval granted on August 10, 2000, this is what, the 9`' extension or 7h extension you guys are asking for, S- 96 -30? My question is what is taking so long? Is there a problem with finance or really what is the problem that it is taking so long to get this subdivision underway? Mr. Mike Fave: This subdivision involves the area near the Waimea Mill and the Waimea Mill Camp. One of the conditions is water and the other was sewer. This area is the land that the Waimea Sugar Mill building is on, the Waimea Mill Camp is on and a couple of our administrative offices and buildings. It is also at the intersection of Waimea Canyon Drive and Kaumuali`i Highway just across the road from that. Some of the conditions that need to be resolved have to do with water and sewer. The difficulty that we have been having is to get the water and sewer going requires a major investment and therefore we have to kind of package it with other projects to make it economically feasible. Up until 2009 when it was almost insurmountable for a company our size to be able to solve the water or the sewer, then along with the highway improvements as a single project so we have been able to successfully conclude those negotiations. The big thing that has happened recently is in 2009 the County was able to use some stimulus money and some State money to get the sewer treatment upgraded so that kind of took like half of the financial cost away because the County is going to do that. To be honest it was a surprise to us. We were not expecting that. I think with that occurring we can now look at all of these, actually the three project, the three subdivisions more realistically and can get a more realistic schedule put together for it. Mr. Kimura: I do have some reservations. Chair: Mike, state your name for the record, and Arianna. Subdivision Committee Minutes 2 February 9, 2010 Mr. Fave: Mike Faye, Chairman of the Board of Kikiaoloa Land Company. Ms. Orianna Skomoroch: Orianna Skomoroch, Chief Operating Office, Kikiaoloa Land Company. Mr. Kimura: I do have some reservations about granting this extension. If we do grant the extension will you guys have the finances to do it within a year or are you guys going to come back next year and ask for another extension? This is the 7t' extension on this project already. Mr. Fave: We had requested 5 years. The planning staff is coming back with 1. Unfortunately we have slid now into economic times that it is hard to get investors to work on projects of this scale. We still as I mentioned earlier, we still have the water issue which we have made progress on that. We have a water master plan, we have negotiated with... in 2009 we concluded our negotiations with an adjacent landowner to put some wells on there. Again, this project alone is difficult justify spending the 10 million dollars water into satisfy it. We have to package it with something else. We had hoped that the project in what we call Field 14 was going to go about the same time and there would be enough critical mass. That project has never gotten off the ground and then again with the current economic situation and with the infrastructure with the projects that are farther along on other parts of the island, we are a little bit concerned about the market demand. So can we pull it off in a year? To be honest I don't think we can pull off the project within a year. We will probably be able to pull it off within the next 3 years. Mr. Kimura: Would you consider reapplying for the subdivision in 3 years? Mr. Fave: Well we would prefer, lets put it this way, I don't think that there is any material difference in conditions that would be imposed under the current situation as there were in the year 2000. So we would hope that the amount of effort that goes into one of these things that we could get one more chance to put this project together under this subdivision. Primarily there is a lot of work that went into it already. Chair: Dale, what Mike said was that probably there would be no substantial increase in ... it is pretty much going to be the same requirements when they start the new process. I think that is a good point. What do you think, preliminary subdivision. Staff: Say if the application is not extended and depending on when they reapply again the requirements may not change, I cannot speak on behalf of the other reviewing agencies. The only requirements that I would think that would change would be that these applications would have to be reviewed by the County Housing agency with any Housing ordinance in place now. So as far as requirements are concerned I know the requirements involving housing may change, would be imposed onto these applications because when these applications first came aboard the Housing ordinance wasn't... Chair: Doesn't the Housing policy get applied at two levels, one is at subdivision or rezoning and the other one is at building permit. Subdivision Committee Minutes February 9, 2010 Staff: Not necessarily at building permit. Chair: What about this particular project? Staff: The first project actually involves one of the County's housing projects, the Pakui Program I believe, the 96 -30 application. But as far as the other two they would probably be subject to... Chair: At building permit? Staff: At the time of zoning or subdivision. Chair: So pretty much that is going to take care of that. They are still liable for the Housing Agency stuff either way, at some point. Staff: Right, so that is where you folks have that discretion. That is why at the beginning of the department staff report when you entertain extension requests you have those three options that is included as part of the report. Chair: So the drainage, Public Works, all that stuff, they are going to have to comply to. Staff: Regardless, at some point, when these parcels are developed the drainage concerns would have to be addressed whether it is through a subdivision application or a zoning permit. Chair: Even this Pukui Housing? Staff: The Pukui Housing project is already in place. The homes are there. So as noted in the staff report for the first application one of the intents of this particular subdivision is to create a separate lot for the County Pukui Housing project. But because it is tied in with the remainder of the parcel they are all kind of contingent upon one another. Chair: Do you have anything else to say on that? Mr. Fave: I guess that is all I have to say. Chair: On the status report for the Ag., the response regarding access, you have to move the response back to access, it is in the wrong item. It is the item under the Ag. Subdivision agreement, its on page 7, you just have to move that "no traditional access to property ", down one level. It is in the wrong place is all, it says "acknowledge no traditional access to the property ", but actually it should be... Staff: I think what Jimmy is noting is the response noted on the top of page 7, the second sentence should be moved down to the next paragraph down under item (p). So that response regarding traditional access should be moved down to the next paragraph. Subdivision Committee Minutes 4 February 9, 2010 Chair: I am not sure whether it was on this one or not but is there a requirement for mapping of irrigation system? Staff: Identifying the irrigation system as part of the Ag. master plan. Chair: Is that something you guys already have in place like schematics or the irrigation system? The reason I ask is that I farm too and you guys scale, (inaudible), that irrigation really can move around quite a bit so I don't want you guys to spend too much money plotting that stuff out. Some of the main lines into that place, that Ag. parcel is going to be subject to subdivision again, right, and at that point we should see an Ag. water system (inaudible). I don't know you guys are so big that you might have the schematics already. Mr. Fave: As far as the irrigation plan, I don't know if, I don't recall if it is covered in here but this land also has some interesting situations occurring on it. We accept by an agreement with Public Works, Sewer Department, we accept all of the treated sewage affluent that is produced by the Waimea Wastewater Treatment Plant on our property with the exception that they do now have the ability to inject it into the ground in extreme flood type conditions. With the wastewater treatment expansion there are some other improvements that are being made on this property so we would like to again see how this all works out in the end. Construction is supposed to start this year, it is supposed to be completed in 2011. We would like to keep this one open also because I think there is going to wind up being some lot boundary adjustments from what we originally had proposed in the tentative. Not necessarily to add more lots, it might be to even reduce it but somehow we need to work out how the drainage works and how this especially now... another condition that is changing is that it is going from an R -2 water to an R -1 water and that opens up other possibilities for the use of this water in irrigation or the reuse, it's actually now called reclaim the water. Chair: That is in a agreement with Wastewater? Mr. Fave: This is an agreement with Wastewater. Chair: I was kind of concerned that these irrigation systems were in flux all the time so is it something that can be handled in house or do we have to change, not do we have to change but do you need ... can we delay any type of adjustment? Staff: I think at this point because the future of this area is still kind of unknown. We can actually defer it until such time more plans are available for this particular area Chair: Any other questions? Mr. Kimura: No. I would like to make a motion to approve tentative subdivision extension request for S- 96 -30, Kikiaola, Ltd. Chair: Second, do you need the TMK's and all of that? Staff: Just to be safe. Subdivision Committee Minutes February 9, 2010 Mr. Kimura: TMK 1 -2- 06:42, TMK 1-6-08:04,12, Waimea, Kauai. Chair: Second, moved and seconded to approve subdivision S- 96 -30, Kikiaoloa Land Company, all those in favor say aye, opposed, motion carries. On motion made by Jan Kimura and seconded by James Nishida, to approve subdivision extension request for 5- 96 -30, motion carried unanimously by voice vote. Mr. Kimura: I would like to make a motion to approve 2- 1001 -22, Kikiaoloa Land Company, Ltd., TMK 1 -2- 06:09, 20, Kikiaoloa, Kaua'i. Chair: Second, all those in favor say aye, motion carried. On motion made by Jan Kimura and seconded by James Nishida, to approve subdivision extension request for 5- 2001 -22, motion carried unanimously by voice vote. Mr. Kimura: I would like to move to approve tentative subdivision extension request for 2001 -29, Kikiaoloa Land Company, Ltd., TMK 1 -2- 06:41, Kikiaoloa, Kauai. Chair: Second, all those in favor say aye, opposed, motion carried. On motion made by Jan Kimura and seconded by James Nishida, to approve tentative subdivision extension request for 5- 2001 -29, motion carried unanimously by voice vote. ADJOURNMENT This portion ended at 10:02 a.m. Respectfully Submitted. Lani Agoot Commission Support Clerk Subdivision Committee Minutes 6 February 9, 2010